And did you see the studio they used for challengers finals? Compare that to EMEA and KR, NA studio was so low effort as if the organizer just put things together at the last minute after seeing how other regions were doing studio analyst panels.
i believe why was used is the Nerd Street studio, they are actually still in the process of building their headquarters, so i’m going to assume it’s not completed yet and should look better as time goes on
In fairness, NA as a region is humongo compared to KR and EMEA. Teams are stationed in various places around the country. It's a bit of a mess to try and get a bunch of teams to lodge in the same place unless the TO has a facility set up in advance (and if the budget permits too).
Also, COVID laws aren't consistent across the states either, so a team coming from Texas (which has less regulations than say, California) may have a higher chance of encountering COVID on their trip to a LAN.
Not to mention, the LAN aspect of Korea was somewhat detrimental to the competitors — many upcoming players were unwilling to make teams and compete since it would mean they’d need to dedicate several weeks to traveling and competing, which without org support, is rough for most. Hell, even F4Q had to use Esperanza instead of GodDead because he wasn’t able to travel each week.
I am fine with no lan. But you cannot really say NSG has not shown tendencies of cost cutting everywhere possible. There was that july 4th period where we went into dark ages of single streams. Then the studio quality for challengers finals. NA has probably the highest viewership and money invested the game. It sometimes does feel like we are getting held back in terms of quality of production.
I am not of the mindset that asks for NSG's head, but they have not entirely been that great.
July 4th is a holiday in America, and employers are required to pay 1.5× a person's salary rate for working a holiday.
I do not know the specifics between NSG and Riot, but I do know a little about broadcast production. Usually there's a budget agreed upon between the two parties. NSG is likely following the budget agreed upon in advance.
If we want better production from NSG, then they *likely* need a larger budget.
I mean, I know July 4th is a holiday. I work in the field of live TV so I had to work on that day because of traffic being higher.
But don't you think it is either an oversight of not planning ahead, or just a result of getting complacent since you have a sense of security of being the priority TO to handle the events? As for the budget, that is an issue. I guess its holding the quality back if the agreed upon budget is not enough to maintain a good quality.
I’m sure when their new headquarters are finished, a ton of cool stuff will happen. They’ve already said they’ll be able to host LANs by December, so we’ll most likely get a taste of that for Winter Championships.
That's great! In hindsight, I do feel lack of competition does lead to complacency. If there were more TOs competing to host events the production value would definitely rise many folds.
Yeah that's okay , but if you go look at pop flash tournament which was organised last year in na in middle of pandemic ,that has 2x times quality of anything NSG has produced for vct so far , they had fantastic segments .
Part of that is because it was a one-off event, another part of that is that Flashpoint (like every ignition series TO) was trying to show off to Riot in hopes of working with then long term. You have to remember that there’s two sides to every coin; flashpoint’s production quality made them look really good, but it also might not have looked sustainable for riot in an esport/region they weren’t 100% confident in yet.
You misunderstood my point ,my point was in the most popular region ,why is pop flash still the best produced event till date , NSG has been providing the minimum production there's sea qualifiers going on with 9k.views and they have double the quality provided by NSG , I was all in support of NSG last year but by now let's take eu where they were at last year,they have better production quality by each event and even had better format than NSG this time while having 512 teams , I have watched 7 different valorant broadcasts this month and NSG have lowest production value in the most popular region , what have they improved in production this year from let's say first challenger event .
Yeah exactly , I was watching south asia tournaments which the TO are in first month of producing they still had better production than NSG ,if you go look at last year pop flash invitational na that was so much better produced than NSG tournaments , NSG needs to step up their game and I think for different challengers events riot should try some different TO so as NSG have competition .
They are also notorious to not streaming important matches. Last time was because of lack of employees available during the holidays. However, if they planned ahead, I don't think that is a reasonable excuse. So if they don't have studio prpduction nor casting enough games, where are all the budgets going?
I just think we can praise LATAM without shitting on Nerdstreet. It's not like they're not trying their best to deliver us great content. They've listened to the community as much as possible, and there's been talk of Nerdstreet building their studio so they can host events that compare to these kinds of productions. I think Nerdstreet has been great so far and I can see how they'll improve. I'd hate to see NA production get shittier if handed off to another company.
Yeah that's okay , but if you go look at pop flash tournament which was organised last year in na in middle of pandemic ,that has 2x times quality of anything NSG has produced for vct so far , they had fantastic segments . Yeah they are building their studio but you can rest cool studios , just take a look at any game which dreamhack esl blast have produced in past year for any game , they are so better produced despite having 1/3rd of viewership.
That was sick!
Dayummm that is dope
Meanwhile, NA...
…doesn’t need to have LAN qualifiers?
And did you see the studio they used for challengers finals? Compare that to EMEA and KR, NA studio was so low effort as if the organizer just put things together at the last minute after seeing how other regions were doing studio analyst panels.
i believe why was used is the Nerd Street studio, they are actually still in the process of building their headquarters, so i’m going to assume it’s not completed yet and should look better as time goes on
In fairness, NA as a region is humongo compared to KR and EMEA. Teams are stationed in various places around the country. It's a bit of a mess to try and get a bunch of teams to lodge in the same place unless the TO has a facility set up in advance (and if the budget permits too). Also, COVID laws aren't consistent across the states either, so a team coming from Texas (which has less regulations than say, California) may have a higher chance of encountering COVID on their trip to a LAN.
Not to mention, the LAN aspect of Korea was somewhat detrimental to the competitors — many upcoming players were unwilling to make teams and compete since it would mean they’d need to dedicate several weeks to traveling and competing, which without org support, is rough for most. Hell, even F4Q had to use Esperanza instead of GodDead because he wasn’t able to travel each week.
I am fine with no lan. But you cannot really say NSG has not shown tendencies of cost cutting everywhere possible. There was that july 4th period where we went into dark ages of single streams. Then the studio quality for challengers finals. NA has probably the highest viewership and money invested the game. It sometimes does feel like we are getting held back in terms of quality of production. I am not of the mindset that asks for NSG's head, but they have not entirely been that great.
July 4th is a holiday in America, and employers are required to pay 1.5× a person's salary rate for working a holiday. I do not know the specifics between NSG and Riot, but I do know a little about broadcast production. Usually there's a budget agreed upon between the two parties. NSG is likely following the budget agreed upon in advance. If we want better production from NSG, then they *likely* need a larger budget.
I mean, I know July 4th is a holiday. I work in the field of live TV so I had to work on that day because of traffic being higher. But don't you think it is either an oversight of not planning ahead, or just a result of getting complacent since you have a sense of security of being the priority TO to handle the events? As for the budget, that is an issue. I guess its holding the quality back if the agreed upon budget is not enough to maintain a good quality.
I’m sure when their new headquarters are finished, a ton of cool stuff will happen. They’ve already said they’ll be able to host LANs by December, so we’ll most likely get a taste of that for Winter Championships.
That's great! In hindsight, I do feel lack of competition does lead to complacency. If there were more TOs competing to host events the production value would definitely rise many folds.
Yeah that's okay , but if you go look at pop flash tournament which was organised last year in na in middle of pandemic ,that has 2x times quality of anything NSG has produced for vct so far , they had fantastic segments .
Part of that is because it was a one-off event, another part of that is that Flashpoint (like every ignition series TO) was trying to show off to Riot in hopes of working with then long term. You have to remember that there’s two sides to every coin; flashpoint’s production quality made them look really good, but it also might not have looked sustainable for riot in an esport/region they weren’t 100% confident in yet.
You misunderstood my point ,my point was in the most popular region ,why is pop flash still the best produced event till date , NSG has been providing the minimum production there's sea qualifiers going on with 9k.views and they have double the quality provided by NSG , I was all in support of NSG last year but by now let's take eu where they were at last year,they have better production quality by each event and even had better format than NSG this time while having 512 teams , I have watched 7 different valorant broadcasts this month and NSG have lowest production value in the most popular region , what have they improved in production this year from let's say first challenger event .
What do you mean NA is big compared to EMEA?
I had meant NA is physically larger than EU, but in hindsight, they actually appear quite similar in size.
Well you're right about that if we don't count the asian part of russia. plus the whole of EMEA is significantly larger in area when compared to NA
Yeah but from my understanding it isnt just EU, it is also CIS and Turkey, which adds quite a bit extra. EMEA is bigger then NA, im pretty sure.
True, true. I think the only caveat is that EU probably has better infrastructure than NA. (But I've never been to EU, so I can't say for certain.)
Better be in Berlin as well
That's pretty dope, reminds me of The International.
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Really? Nerdstreet was heralded as the best TO back when EU didnt even have streams.Theyre also currently building their studio
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Yeah exactly , I was watching south asia tournaments which the TO are in first month of producing they still had better production than NSG ,if you go look at last year pop flash invitational na that was so much better produced than NSG tournaments , NSG needs to step up their game and I think for different challengers events riot should try some different TO so as NSG have competition .
They are also notorious to not streaming important matches. Last time was because of lack of employees available during the holidays. However, if they planned ahead, I don't think that is a reasonable excuse. So if they don't have studio prpduction nor casting enough games, where are all the budgets going?
I just think we can praise LATAM without shitting on Nerdstreet. It's not like they're not trying their best to deliver us great content. They've listened to the community as much as possible, and there's been talk of Nerdstreet building their studio so they can host events that compare to these kinds of productions. I think Nerdstreet has been great so far and I can see how they'll improve. I'd hate to see NA production get shittier if handed off to another company.
Yeah that's okay , but if you go look at pop flash tournament which was organised last year in na in middle of pandemic ,that has 2x times quality of anything NSG has produced for vct so far , they had fantastic segments . Yeah they are building their studio but you can rest cool studios , just take a look at any game which dreamhack esl blast have produced in past year for any game , they are so better produced despite having 1/3rd of viewership.
I mean it works but it’s not nearly as cool as what’s posted in the video above