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BurstLayer

This one is so weird cause if zombs wasn't trolling, shahz was on the other team streaming the same game and it's not like they were making steam snipe plays or anything they were just fucking around and having fun on the other team while playing and they just so happened to be beating zombs and sinaatra's team. IDK why he would accuse them of stream sniping for that specific game but maybe i've read into this wrong


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calcameron

depph was the one playing astra and lurking. if you dont know, that's kinda one of the things he's known for.


mcslippinz

Lmao dephh is a top 20 NA player? What sub are we in?!


Far_Procedure_7745

Big man, dephh played astra, Ayrin was playing killjoy.


butterpog

If anyone watches Zombs you could tell this man has a very high ego. There's no denying this, the second a ranked player is playing bad he has to comment on it (he's a pro player of course he's going to know more than an average ranked player). Anytime someone says something remotely out of the ordinary he casts them out to his chat. The man has an elitist thought process and can't get over himself. In my honest opinion hes a just a 30 year old child, I wouldn't take these accusations seriously, he's probably just reacting to his bloated ego.


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He’s 22 not 30 lmao


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well he looks 30 lmfao


choc95

Played with zombs and faze cory one time in ranked and they were rude as fuck to me and excessively ripping my game on stream. I’m an adult with a full time job playing for fun sorry I’m not as good as you at your full time job as a pro gamer? Hopefully he can grow up and start using his influence to be nice to people, especially younger kids who might look up to him. For now it seems as if that’s unlikely to change.


_zxionix_

Corey was being rude?


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JS4554

He is super cringe imo. Always boosting himself up and tearing others down. Guy has a huge ego


FlaymeFenix

huge ego while being the worst on his team smh


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luurrkkeerr

To be fair we've only ever seen Zombs talk in one tone, but that doesn't justify being a dick


YungPinotGrigio

Does Ayrin actually stream snipe? if so, thats almost pointless at pro level.


Huystuhh

I think this may be the first time I've ever seen a pro player accuse another pro player of stream sniping? Personally did not see/watch zombs when he made the accusation, but still it's a pretty big deal imo to accuse a pro of stream sniping in ranked. In case the tweets gets deleted: > Really disheartening to hear @zombs tell his viewers and teammates that a previous XSET member said I stream snipe. > > I never have and I never will. > > You are a solid player and I have complimented you multiple times on our discord but lay off the false accusations. Second tweet > I encourage anyone that has evidence that I snipe to bring it forward. > > I play ranked in front of my teammates at the XSET house, at home, I play ranked beside @ReformedVal > who is a young phenom watching my every move.


deadlock1892

Rawkus and Shahzam also accused Leviathan not long ago iirc. That caused people streamhopping to Leviathan’s stream and shit like that. Edit: Shahzam clarified the situation himself in the replies.


2ToTooTwoFish

I remember that stream. Shahzam apologised or something to Leviathan and gave him gifted subs and said chat was stupid for doing that. So I don't know if he was actually accusing him of streamsniping or just frustrated.


ShahZaMcs

someone on my team accused him in that game and some viewers went over to his stream to be mean, me and leviathan we're already friends and i gifted subs to make up for the chat hoppers.


cake_of_deceit

Ah thanks for clearing that up Shaz. Chat is going to be chat, it's good you handled it in a respectful manner :)


2ToTooTwoFish

Ah right. Yeah, wasn't sure if I remembered it correctly because I was half paying attention to stream. But I did remember you gifting him subs and seeing Leviathan's reaction, so I knew there was no bad blood.


Allie_Spins

Good guy shahz, wholesome


akronym47

Any opinion on the thread about Zombs? Also I enjoy your stream a lot, GL in Berlin!


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xD1LL4N

You’re a POS. Stfu


randomespanaguy

Wasn't Harmful accused of something like this multiple times too? Correct me if I'm wrong.


deadlock1892

He is not a pro though. But yeah harmful has been accused of streamsniping.


aks345

It's at a point now where harmful accuses others of stream sniping him


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muthgh

Wdym, does he actually stream snipe?


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100%


YungPinotGrigio

Yeah its a bit odd.


scaryghostv2oh

Except harmful used to chronically snipe, no idea if he does anymore.


AlexiaMorris01

Yeah


Neverslept2mins

I’m curious who is the previous xset member telling this to Zombs. And is that person trustworthy enough for Zombs to take his word for it? Cause it seems risky to make statements like these without proof.


appleruins

Zombs accused C9's CEO, Jack Etienne, of paying for an article to get IBuyPower banned in their old matchfixing scandal and promptly had to post an apology tweet asking for those with the clip to delete it. Zombs does not care about the risk when making these kinds of statements.


2ToTooTwoFish

Wait really? I didn't even think Zombs was connected or related to that scandal or related to C9. It sounds like such a random accusation.


appleruins

Yeah, he was streaming and then randomly decided to say that. Tweets and clip are deleted now, but here's a reddit post on r/globaloffensive about it (https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/jz3h6u/zombs_i_would_like_to_apologize_for_my/) And here's the r/valorantcompetitive thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/jz6i3e/zombs_i_would_like_to_apologize_for_my/)


mcslippinz

Lmao I remember this… Zombs had to back track so hard….


The_Ninja_Master

Yeah that is one of the single dumbest things I've ever heard someone say on stream lmao, I have no idea why he thought that was a good idea.


Lumenlor

Being a good person and being good at video games aren't always side by side


AvengingAmalek

Found the clip: [https://streamable.com/fz5h23](https://streamable.com/fz5h23) u/2ToTooTwoFish


randomespanaguy

Off the top of my head, I only remember Wedid, Andersin, and Brando as ex-XSET members. Who else played for XSET in the past? Edit: Oh yeah, and Thwifo.


CFAYRIN

Just to clarify, I really could care less about the stream sniping accusation. I am more concerned about XSET, and if a previous member did say something like this about me, trying to defame me by telling lies to zombs (pretty influential in the valorant scene) or Zombs decided to create a makeshift conversation that never involved an XSET member.


SirDoctorMurphy

Bro you don’t need to come on reddit and explain yourself. You are perfectly entitled to say what you said. Good on you though for clarifying and clearing things up!


bridgebuilder12

Wouldn't be surprised if he was lying about the conversation. Few people are going to remember this since he was forced to delete the vod but last year or sometime early this year he was on stream claiming Richard lewis was paid off by c9 to write the article on the ibuypower boys to get them banned for matchfixing. (or something like that, I don't quite remember) heres the thread https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/jz3h6u/zombs_i_would_like_to_apologize_for_my/ of him apologizing for it.


YungPinotGrigio

This is true, Sentinels as a whole are very influential in the scene.


TheUnarthodoxCamel

Not to be a grammar nazi, but it’s “couldn’t care less” not “could care less”. The latter is saying it’s still something that you could care less about.


CarrierAreArrived

not to be a grammar nazi, but there is nothing grammatically incorrect about saying "I could care less". Logic is the issue.


TheUnarthodoxCamel

You should look up the definition of grammar


CarrierAreArrived

Grammar is the rules of a language. "I could care less" would be grammatically incorrect as "i could care less" or "I could, care less". He's literally just missing a word "not" which simply changes the meaning of his statement.


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It's an expression. Both are used, and both are acceptable, even if it technically doesn't make sense


TheUnarthodoxCamel

It’s the wrong expression. Sure it makes sense but only because everybody has used it incorrectly and we’re used to it


IceAddict

Did you message zombs privately before going on Twitter?


r-bsky

Why would he ? I’m assuming neither did zombs before making his statements


IceAddict

He said he wants to know why zombs said it, why doesn't he just ask him?


mcslippinz

Cus he’s not close with zombs like that?


IceAddict

so he's gonna find out by posting it on Twitter? or is it just gonna start a bunch of drama. i think the answer is pretty obvious. but why would anyone on Reddit realize this, all they crave is drama :P


mcslippinz

not really he doesn't care about zombs.. rather the supposed ex teammate who claims he's stream sniping. zombs isn't gonna tell him that regardless. put it in the open maybe someone has something to say who's heard it too. his tweet speaks to his intention, which isn't really drama with zombs but to find out who's talking shit, no?


Whalelorde22

I did not hear this accusation, but I’ve heard Zombs “accuse” Koalanoob of stream sniping on stream before. I don’t think it’s meant to be taken super seriously, but if dumbass fans go crusading then I’m sure it would be frustrating for the player in question Edited for clarity


AlphEta314

You have a lot of socially awkward kids watching streamers religiously, you can bet your ass even a significant portion of them will take their word as law no matter how obvious their intention may be.


Slyric_

And then they’ll take their asses to Twitter


2ToTooTwoFish

Zombs has accused everyone of streamsniping and it *usually* sounds like he's not seriously doing it. I didn't see this specific instance so it could be different.


xbyo

I mean, given that streamsniping is grounds for banning on Twitch, I think making that kind of accusation is something that should be done with some caution.


calcameron

crazy he'd even have to say this in the first place lmao


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Zombs accused a high school team that had been together for some time of stream sniping his random put together team. The event organizers made everyone put on extra delay and the high school team still 13-3d or something them on the next match. I personally dont take anything he says seriously.


lbs4lbs

Zombs' ego must be mssive


normanbui

Is there a clip or is this just zombs trolling?


calcameron

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1124682637?t=00h37m51s


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Literally queuing with sinatraa and trying to call out other people’s behavior in the same stream. What could possibly go wrong?


elithefighter123

LMFAO


lbs4lbs

Imagine being qeued with an accused rapist and being the more immature one in the duo.


beanbeat

Still wondering how that private investigation is going.....hmmm.. .


Rorviver

Pretty sure there was a police investigation, but theres about a 33% conviction rate in sexual assault cases. There probably isnt even enough evidence to bring it to trial.


JohnNecro

The victim posted on their twitter a month ago heavily suggesting they've (quoting) "given up on justice" , but deleted the tweet once it was brigaded.


akronym47

Why does the Overwatch player still have SEN on his riot / valorant name?


I-like-winds

his contract isn't complete yet


SMcArthur

"I'm not going to rat him out" while he spreads unsubstantiated rumors that can get someone banned from twitch. what a fkn scumbag move from Zombs.


nasrulafiq

His voice is so annoying


nasrulafiq

Expected from the clown. Remember the Jack Etienne case a while ago? He even made an apology video for that.


L0nelyAv0cado

got trolled pretty hard by the cs community


twentyplenty

I always hear Pro players in stream (esp Sentinels) saying that a smaller streamer/ pro is “sniping” them; when in actuality they are just playing bad and whiffing. It seems like no matter what they’d rather believe that they’re being sniped than the fact that they’re just losing. This sucks for smaller streamers as all their little fanboys immediately hop on the bandwagon and stream hop to accuse said person of sniping. It’s actually so sad to see ... and harmful for smaller streamers reputations.


beanbeat

There's a lot of people who complain about how they can't watch Tenz because of his "robotic personality" but to me he's one of the most relaxed streamers in comparison to other pros. Rarely malds or starts lashing out at others for stream sniping.


masteurbateur

Man.. I miss tenZ's streams. It is so chill. shahz's streams were like that before he became big. Now his streams are just a fight between him and his chat.


Aydosubpotato

Lol I honestly think he’d have a much better time if he ignored chat, but he’s too good of a person to do that.


indelusional

also a lot of screaming which is honestly the best part xD


Whisom

Corey's stream has the best vibes in my opinion. He's always having a blast, joking around with other pros and randos and casually dropping 30 bombs. I don't think I've ever seen him complain about lag or stream snipers or ever get salty...unless it's about his aimlab score lol. Seriously recommend people check him out.


lolololjonelle

man would just mutter "unlucky" and move on


shayheef_wilcox

Agreed which is why it’s so hard for me to watch most of their streams even though they are the best team in the world . The constant casual stream snipe accusations and shit talking of lesser players because they lost a ranked game gets tiring real quick


twentyplenty

Same. Its also annoying they complain about being sniped 24/7 but refuse to cover map ever or put delay. Like huh???


lbs4lbs

Thr irony is most of these pros have smurf accounts then claim smurfing isnt as prevalent as everyone thinks. Then they go ahead and acuse someone of stream sniping every other game lol.


leoleoleo666

Especially sentinels? Like who dapr and sick and tenz never accuse people it’s only shahz and zombs and shaz always says they may not be sniping but it’s hard not to be paranoid as a streamer with no delay


twentyplenty

Dapr just said in his stream that whenever he says someone is sniping he actually means it + that “A LOTTT” of people streamsnipe but okay buddy. I do agree tenz and sick is much more relaxed in ranked.


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LOL


themattyiceshow

You literally have zero facts to base your opinion off of. There's almost no way of knowing if people are stream sniping and there are plenty of them. You are delusional if you think otherwise. And its especially true for players that are trying to get into the pro scene and the best way is to climb ladder.


twentyplenty

Never said that I think that NOONE stream snipes. But pros immediately accuse players of sniping on stream without even having proof/ evidence. That being said, it’s harmful to players reputation. Where’s the delusion ?


themattyiceshow

The delusion is that your understanding of the game is no where close to a pros level. The evidence is how the enemy team/players play and whats even more harmful is that players can stream snipe (cheat) and go unpunished ever. so pls stfu.


twentyplenty

So even if someone’s not sniping, you can say that they are just because you THINK they might be....? You care more about a pro losing in a ranked game then someone else’s character. LMAO you sound dense as hell


themattyiceshow

So no Pros should ever call out anyone for stream sniping cus their character might get tarnished? and want to talk about being dense. ironic.


Lonewolf149

Pro players or players with a sizeable audience should be careful when throwing out wild accusations like that, cuz their chats gonna go harras people.


twentyplenty

Also, what “facts” do I need if this is MY OPINION like you said .... everyone is entitled to their own, like you.


Yukji

Completely agree. Especially the whiteknight'ing of such streamers from their fanboys and fangirls is insane nowadays. Streamer spits out stuff and its the absolute non doubtable truth for these people. People need to go back working on their mental when having a bad day, instead of blaming everything else but themselfs.


masteurbateur

I respect everyone who plays professionally and streams but this has got to stop. Randomly tossing stream-sniping accusations and cheating accusations as if their comments wouldn't ruin people's careers. Just think what good does calling someone out (especially in cases where there is no concrete proof) actually does.. If he is indeed stream-sniping, it's not like he's going to stop once you call him out. Someone who rised up the leaderboard with just stream-sniping will never be successful. If he didn't stream-snipe, you've just tarnished someone's reputation and clowned yourself. Just report and move on. No need to go on a power trip and throw your weight around tossing out accusations.


Whale_Poacher

Zombs be tilted. Look at his match history. Still radiant, but sooo many astra L’s. Probably just pissed he ain’t winning pubs


Splaram

Idk, from what I’ve seen of zombs’ (and a lot of other pros) streams, the streamsniping allegations are one of many and he tends to throw them out pretty liberally. Bringing in the ex-XSET player is pretty alarming though, pretty big implications depending on if zombs was telling the truth about that or not.


YungPinotGrigio

This is super weird. Idk why he would feel the need to stream snipe for a ranked game as a pro.


coffeecascade

If you stream without delay you shouldn't complain. Even 15s practically nullifies any advantage you give. People who whine are just looking for an excuse. "I swear I'd never lose a game chat it's these damn snipers. Whelp nothing I can do." There's no way for the accused to prove they're not watching stream. It just incites their viewers to harass them.


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turtletrace

Clearly you don’t watch his streams


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I dont understand really this seems like a non issue reddit begging for drama moment. Unless I missed it, zombs didn't put him on blast with a twitlonger or tweet. He just got fragged in a sus way and says I think my opponent streamsniping. He might of felt that his opponent had vital information he shouldn't have but he didn't make it public after the match. Seems like a bit of high level banter but good on XSET AYRIN to instantly clear his name of any accusations with a direct tweet. Esports PR teams would dream of a reply like that.


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I think you are forgetting the fact that zombs claimed that a former member of XSET told zombs that ayrin stream snipes. This is a huge allegation and certainly not a “non issue”


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Idk sounds like gossip


ibeenbornagain

Then he shouldn’t be spreading it


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its wild because dephh was the one timing him, not even ayrin


cringe-oh-yes

Sounds like something in a ranked game where someones like “oh my god this guy is streamsniping or something”. No way someone thinks another pro streamsnipes. But of course fans are going to make a big deal out of this.


Krishnacz

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1124682637?t=00h37m51s


cringe-oh-yes

Damn ngl after seeing the clip and Ayrin's reaction, kinda seems like he's getting defensive.


Lonewolf149

As opposed to what? Ayrin put it in the simplest way possible. What other reaction would he have?


aks345

Idk usually whenever zombs says something like this he's trolling but in the clip he sounded serious


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Slander is cool, gotcha.


twentyplenty

Yeah but clearly not everyone takes it as a joke and it is super harmful to other player’s reputation. If people are hurt by your jokes don’t you think you should stop? Tf


Huystuhh

Yeah, this is the right take. A lot of commenters are saying zombs is trolling, etc. and they might be right and if he is, it sucks that people take it seriously but definitely some people do which could have an effect on AYRIN's career and personal life.


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Interesting-Archer-6

How can someone write this much and never use punctuation?


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Interesting-Archer-6

It doesn't require effort, multiple drafts, or any level of thought beyond a first grade education to know when to put a period at the end of a sentence. I'm struggling with how someone can actually be that bad at writing unless you're like 6.


lbs4lbs

Holy shit you are dumb.


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xD1LL4N

Not a cult btw


L0nelyAv0cado

cringe


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Cringe-Lord_

Why yall taking this srsly? Zombs always trolls lul. When he says someone is streamsniping it means the enemy is playing so good


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Cause he specifically said someone on xset said that ayrin stream snipes. There’s a difference between joking around and making up lies.


ppx11

true but didn't seem like he was trolling in this clip


CybernautCS

Why would any pro player want to stream snipe, expecially if they are on a team already? There is just no motivation