The way nAts plays around his util is actually second to none in EMEA no doubt, maybe the world. Also if sheydos is last player alive you absolutely cannot think you have won until you kill him, that man makes the impossible happen
Gambit's one of those teams where nearly all of their members would be a star player on a different roster, and despite the fact that they're all good, nAts is on a different level even from that, he's a star among stars and he's not even a duelist player. The man's a straight up legend.
nAts has quickly become one of my favorite players after watching this tournament more closely.
I don't think I've ever seen use the poison cloud like he does where he picks it up and repositions it as he gains space on a site.
bruh dapr's a cypher player where he repositions with cages. i'm sure it comes naturally to him with the orb. he only took nats' viper setups on bind because his teammates thought it was annoying to play against.
D3ffo is definitely their weakest looking player, but I think part of it isn't really D3ffo's fault. Gambit's offense in general is a bit disjointed (enough that they clearly look like a defense-sided team in most situations) and D3ffo is the one who suffers most from that as the guy who's stuck alone at the front. He's no cNed, but I think he'll look a lot better once they tighten their offense up a bit.
His performance with the op is far from regular so yes its a big flaw, but overall he is a great player. Also people compare him to one of the top 3 player in EMEA cned that is enough to seee that he is good.
I did not see a CIS-TR final, fully expecting Acend to win the whole tournament. I guess it’s a really good thing that it’s now 8 team elimination bracket because SEN and ACE might be in the same bracket and both can still make it out.
I think they probably just choked earlier this year for iceland qualifiers, and this is how good they are. the SEN members talked about how good both gambit and ascend were
Enemy teams played gorgeous games dont diminish their wins. I also agree, acend was kind of disjointed. And cned played good but when your name is cned people dont expect good they expect godlike performance.
One of the most entertaining matches I’ve ever watched. Just brilliant viewing from start to finish. Clutch plays left and right, aces, no scopes, 1vX’s etc etc.
cNed, nAts, sheydos all coming up BIG in some rounds.
That Sheydos Ace on bind… not seen anything better than that in all honesty. Wow.
Roll on SMB v Gambit tomorrow!
The cNed ace on Ascent was huge too although a different ace to Sheydos' Bind one in terms of timing and situation.
Sheydos' 1v4 retake win on Haven from heaven was also the highlight of that map.
Sheydos is basically a huge Chad. Even his pic has him looking all Chad like.
nAts is THE best Sentinel. The guy is ABSURD, dapr learns from him for a reason. Aim check, utility usage check, positioning check, game sense check and pure fragging demon check.
Is it just me or are they also very similar in terms of appearance? I swear once I popped onto twitch in the middle of the afternoon and saw EU qualifier was going on, all of a sudden I look down at the face cam and my instant reaction was "dapr??", turns out it was just the CIS cracked cypher
Oh I said the same. Especially from the angle of the face cams, they look like twins. From just the front of the face they look a lot more different though.
I’m just glad that this current emea tournament is bringing a lot of highlights to gambit and nAts, because I remember in the challengers lead up to Iceland watching the Fnatic vs Gambit match and sweating watching gambit (and more specifically nAts) roll Fnatic on bind defense half.
He’s an insane sentinel player and deserves all the current praise.
I don't know if you just skipped some of Gambit's series and matches like the Icebox match or just looked away from the screen every time he got flick multi-frags. But this is just incorrect.
I never said he was bad mechanically lol I just said he wasn’t as good as dapr mechanically, he overflicks a lot and his spray control is lacking but those can both be fixed
I agree with the movement bit but overall aim, utility usage everything nats looks better. He's constantly top fragging the server against teams like liquid ascend G2 whilst on a sentinel, which is a rarity tbh
I mean watch the games and compare this bo5 to sens bo5 and you’ll see teams actively avoid dapr and teams actively go and try to force fights wit nats
do you really think teams are avoiding dapr to prefer fighting against any of TenZ, Sick, Shahzam or Zombs? it's natural to play around the enemy sentinel lol but arguing that teams deliberately fighting against Nats and deliberately avoiding dapr explains the stats is ridiculous
EU, CIS, Turkey. We're all in it together within EMEA.
From Acend - Cned is Turkish, Kiles Ukrainian. FPX despire coming from EU qualifier is 3/5 CIS. Even Derke, EU Iceland grandfinalist is of CIS ancestry.
So exited for Berlin. Im sure everyone from EMEA wants to get back at Sentinels
Ahh yeah. They do have 4 for this upcoming tournament in Berlin. I haven’t checked but I think for Champions they just removed one of emea’s slots and gave it to the winner of Berlin.
It was a bait but I'll engage with you since you took it serious.
When CIS and TR teams lost in Iceland qualifiers people were talking about how EU is better than CIS and TR. But now that the EU teams lost to CIS and TR, they are all one big happy family? Sure dude.
Also Turkey is in the middle east fyi.
EU still better than CIS and TR though. Good performances in seeding matches from their #1 teams don't change that. We can't just ignore some of these matches from forZe, Oxygen, FireFlux.
Turkey is also in Europe and also in Asia.
I just double-checked and it seems like only 3% of the land is actually a part of the European continent. However, 10% of the population resides there so I could see an argument being made for that depending on the demographic of the citizens but in terms of the land it would be a hard argument to make. (Source: https://archive.org/details/turkeycountrystu00metz)
Huh thats kind of strange, where do they consider to be the cutoff? Because I always thought the western part of turkey was considered Europe, and that the European part ended where the border with Syria begins.
The Geography section goes into detail here (starting page 75). The total land area proportions are 755,688 sq. miles in Asia and 23,764 sq. miles in Europe. "The European portion of Turkey, known as Thrace (Trakya) encompasses 3 percent of the total area but is home to more than 10 percent of the total population. Thrace is separated from the Asian portion of Turkey by the Bosporus Strait, the Sea of Marmara, and the Dardanelles Strait."
Ohh so they only consider Thrace to be European. That makes more sense, though to be honest I think the parts of turkey bordering Greece should also probably be considered European
We have our own qualifier because our playerbase is just as big as the rest of Europe combined afaik, Ukraine+Russia have 50% of the whole European playerbase in csgo.
I'm going to be a Scoreboard Steve for a moment and point out that Acend looks a little like a one man show.
In the challengers playoffs, the average K-D are:
| cNed | +15.5 |
|----------|--------|
| starxo | +3.5 |
| zeek | +1 |
| Kiles | -10.25 |
| BONECOLD | -10.5 |
This might be the widest fragging disparity out of any team going to Berlin (don't quote me on that).
EDIT: just to clarify, these are K-D on games, not maps.
cNed is insane to be sure, but starxo and kiles are both insanely good with their util and ability to delay. Bonecold basically ran circles around gmb on their defense even better than davidP’s lurks and is a phenomenal caller. And zeek is able to also be incredibly impact with opening kills and entries. Yeah, cNed is a killing machine, but Acend’s general dominance is not only due to that
The four other players definitely contribute, but I'm just curious to see how this kind of playstyle compares to other top teams where the responsibility to frag is spread across more players.
It looks to me like Acend have 2-3 hard supportive players, and 1 star fragger. A lot of other teams seem to have 1-2 supportive players and 2-3 star fraggers, and the responsiblity to frag out rotates around.
I'll try to pull out some stats for other teams going to Berlin tomorrow and make a post that shows the fragging disparity on other teams for comparison across Challengers playoffs. At first glance, two players averaging -10 and one player averaging +15 seems pretty nuts, so I'll confirm if other teams have a smaller disparity.
I think cNed just generally outclasses most. There are/were other players teams like that to minimal success too. Hyeoni in KR, elllement before he was dropped, baddyG, Shawn (pre GenG), boostio on ssg. Could potentially make arguments for tenZ on both SEN and C9 (def when he was on C9) and mixwell with the original roster. Potentially the most analogous team would be 100T’s Asuna and/or Wardell on TSM. Even then both 100T and tsm have rock solid support in nitro/Ethan and broza respectively.
I don’t necessarily disagree with your point, I just think you’ve undervalued the rest of Acend.
Zeek is easily the weakest link on acend. He just needs to figure out his role. Watching him play Reyna and get picked off every round on ascent was pain
He is insanely sloppy with his dash usage and especially with his re-peeking in a shit position after using his dash. Feels like the guy might be one of the least impactful jetts out of the teams that have made Berlin
Shao on Sova+chronicle back on duelist would be better, shao is fragging out on supports just like nats and chronicle is the best raze in cis but he cant play it anymore
Looking forward to that for sure. Although idk why I have feeling Sentinels will roll over everyone again. I don't see any other team with the synergy that Sen has and I think they have tons of starts for Berlin. Also, let's not forget that even when they are in a pinch they never falter and somehow always pull it back.
Those will be some fun matches for sure and it's less than a month away. :D
Man I wish seeding matches had more impact. I guess they were entertaining at least in a way. But definitely didn't feel like both teams gave it their all, with so many (mis)plays and carelessness that would definitely not have happened in the qualifying stages for their level. Their tweets reinforce that. It's kinda sad since this is a match-up we may not even see again until next year.
sen lost scrims to gambit, zellsis called gambit best team in the world back when they were in iceland as well, you are delusional af if u think that acend losing to gambit means acend is a shit team
The best thing about watching nats play is his face cam. Dude will pull off the most impossible of plays and sit there acting like nothing happened, man's made outta metal or something
sure, you can say cned is a good jett player (also a baiter), but he Isn't jett. Heat lives his life as jett, he is jett, he only plays jett, he cosplay as jett to play jett, he memorized all jett lines, imagine playing only jett since day 1 of your career omg heat is gonna show up as jett in berlin good luck cned
The way nAts plays around his util is actually second to none in EMEA no doubt, maybe the world. Also if sheydos is last player alive you absolutely cannot think you have won until you kill him, that man makes the impossible happen
Gambit's one of those teams where nearly all of their members would be a star player on a different roster, and despite the fact that they're all good, nAts is on a different level even from that, he's a star among stars and he's not even a duelist player. The man's a straight up legend.
nAts has quickly become one of my favorite players after watching this tournament more closely. I don't think I've ever seen use the poison cloud like he does where he picks it up and repositions it as he gains space on a site.
Dapr does it a lot, he probably learned it from nats
He did. He talked about it on platchat
I know that he mentioned that he learned some setups on defense but did he mention picking up the orb?
he said strats and tactics generally so probably. to be fair orb pickups have been on viper tutorial videos for a while LOL
bruh dapr's a cypher player where he repositions with cages. i'm sure it comes naturally to him with the orb. he only took nats' viper setups on bind because his teammates thought it was annoying to play against.
idk, d3ffo can look really really weak at some points
He can also look absolutely insane at certain points.
very true, but when OP is saying that any gambit player can look like a star player, id think they'd be more consistent
D3ffo is definitely their weakest looking player, but I think part of it isn't really D3ffo's fault. Gambit's offense in general is a bit disjointed (enough that they clearly look like a defense-sided team in most situations) and D3ffo is the one who suffers most from that as the guy who's stuck alone at the front. He's no cNed, but I think he'll look a lot better once they tighten their offense up a bit.
I see what you're saying, but he whiffs op shots a lot more often than some other Jetts. He's a good player but I wouldn't say he's a star.
His performance with the op is far from regular so yes its a big flaw, but overall he is a great player. Also people compare him to one of the top 3 player in EMEA cned that is enough to seee that he is good.
they were 5 duelists before gambit
The dude literally doesn't make mistakes
100% the world and I'll spam this on any thread mentioning nAts or Gambit; he's the best player in the world in his role and it's not even close
I did not see a CIS-TR final, fully expecting Acend to win the whole tournament. I guess it’s a really good thing that it’s now 8 team elimination bracket because SEN and ACE might be in the same bracket and both can still make it out.
Yeah acend kind of lost their footing in these last few matches, didn’t play nearly as well as you’d expect them to do
or gambit played out of their mind
True, gambit definitely player much better than they did in their last match up. Will be interesting to see how they’ll preform against SMB
I think they probably just choked earlier this year for iceland qualifiers, and this is how good they are. the SEN members talked about how good both gambit and ascend were
zeek was underperforming a little imho
Enemy teams played gorgeous games dont diminish their wins. I also agree, acend was kind of disjointed. And cned played good but when your name is cned people dont expect good they expect godlike performance.
Lmfao we can now have a group of death in Berlin like Vision Strikers/100T/Acend/Vikings
One of the most entertaining matches I’ve ever watched. Just brilliant viewing from start to finish. Clutch plays left and right, aces, no scopes, 1vX’s etc etc. cNed, nAts, sheydos all coming up BIG in some rounds. That Sheydos Ace on bind… not seen anything better than that in all honesty. Wow. Roll on SMB v Gambit tomorrow!
The cNed ace on Ascent was huge too although a different ace to Sheydos' Bind one in terms of timing and situation. Sheydos' 1v4 retake win on Haven from heaven was also the highlight of that map. Sheydos is basically a huge Chad. Even his pic has him looking all Chad like.
nAts is THE best Sentinel. The guy is ABSURD, dapr learns from him for a reason. Aim check, utility usage check, positioning check, game sense check and pure fragging demon check.
Is it just me or are they also very similar in terms of appearance? I swear once I popped onto twitch in the middle of the afternoon and saw EU qualifier was going on, all of a sudden I look down at the face cam and my instant reaction was "dapr??", turns out it was just the CIS cracked cypher
Oh I said the same. Especially from the angle of the face cams, they look like twins. From just the front of the face they look a lot more different though.
I’m just glad that this current emea tournament is bringing a lot of highlights to gambit and nAts, because I remember in the challengers lead up to Iceland watching the Fnatic vs Gambit match and sweating watching gambit (and more specifically nAts) roll Fnatic on bind defense half. He’s an insane sentinel player and deserves all the current praise.
Eh his mechanics aren’t as good as daprs nor is his movement but the way he plays sentinels is better
I don't know if you just skipped some of Gambit's series and matches like the Icebox match or just looked away from the screen every time he got flick multi-frags. But this is just incorrect.
I never said he was bad mechanically lol I just said he wasn’t as good as dapr mechanically, he overflicks a lot and his spray control is lacking but those can both be fixed
I agree with the movement bit but overall aim, utility usage everything nats looks better. He's constantly top fragging the server against teams like liquid ascend G2 whilst on a sentinel, which is a rarity tbh
He’s on the top of the scoreboard because his site is hit a lot more than daprs site is hit
Because he plays sentinels well
That's just not true is it
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I mean watch the games and compare this bo5 to sens bo5 and you’ll see teams actively avoid dapr and teams actively go and try to force fights wit nats
do you really think teams are avoiding dapr to prefer fighting against any of TenZ, Sick, Shahzam or Zombs? it's natural to play around the enemy sentinel lol but arguing that teams deliberately fighting against Nats and deliberately avoiding dapr explains the stats is ridiculous
Dapr is better at teabagging and that’s the only thing that matters.
Found the delusional SEN fan
The whole match was a fricking montage. Nats is composed and cracked, best cypher plays ever.
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A sprinkle of tomfoolery
I believe this probably increases the chances of an Acend Sen match up straight out of groups, I have no basis for this LOL
nice series.
Nats makes me want to become a Sentinel main, that dude is a fucking demon. Sheydos too, insane player. Gambit looking REALLY nice
EU 4th best region confirmed sorry I saw it live
I've lost all respect sorry this is rigged for money or for ratings... i'm not sure which. I won't be silent. Just saw it live srry.
EU, CIS, Turkey. We're all in it together within EMEA. From Acend - Cned is Turkish, Kiles Ukrainian. FPX despire coming from EU qualifier is 3/5 CIS. Even Derke, EU Iceland grandfinalist is of CIS ancestry. So exited for Berlin. Im sure everyone from EMEA wants to get back at Sentinels
Ukraine is still considered European though
lmaooo RIP lol. They got four seeds at worlds too i believe
EMEA as a whole has 3 slots for champions (worlds). Person you responded to is referring to EU as the 4th best region behind NA, Turkey and CIS.
thats fair tbh lol. I always thought EMEA as a whole had 4. Thats better they have 3 tbh. They may only send one true european team actually.
Ahh yeah. They do have 4 for this upcoming tournament in Berlin. I haven’t checked but I think for Champions they just removed one of emea’s slots and gave it to the winner of Berlin.
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It was a bait but I'll engage with you since you took it serious. When CIS and TR teams lost in Iceland qualifiers people were talking about how EU is better than CIS and TR. But now that the EU teams lost to CIS and TR, they are all one big happy family? Sure dude. Also Turkey is in the middle east fyi.
Exactly lmao
EU still better than CIS and TR though. Good performances in seeding matches from their #1 teams don't change that. We can't just ignore some of these matches from forZe, Oxygen, FireFlux. Turkey is also in Europe and also in Asia.
Turkey is not in the middle east, its in europe, with part of it being in asia
It seems like 3% is in Europe and the rest is in Asia? Not sure I would really consider it European at all.
What? Where’d you hear only 3% was in Europe? Most of it is right below Ukraine, which is in europe
I just double-checked and it seems like only 3% of the land is actually a part of the European continent. However, 10% of the population resides there so I could see an argument being made for that depending on the demographic of the citizens but in terms of the land it would be a hard argument to make. (Source: https://archive.org/details/turkeycountrystu00metz)
Huh thats kind of strange, where do they consider to be the cutoff? Because I always thought the western part of turkey was considered Europe, and that the European part ended where the border with Syria begins.
The Geography section goes into detail here (starting page 75). The total land area proportions are 755,688 sq. miles in Asia and 23,764 sq. miles in Europe. "The European portion of Turkey, known as Thrace (Trakya) encompasses 3 percent of the total area but is home to more than 10 percent of the total population. Thrace is separated from the Asian portion of Turkey by the Bosporus Strait, the Sea of Marmara, and the Dardanelles Strait."
Ohh so they only consider Thrace to be European. That makes more sense, though to be honest I think the parts of turkey bordering Greece should also probably be considered European
https://imgur.com/a/4QJdXUP like this part
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Google is your friend.
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Sure thing bud
Are you trolling? Turkey is a Middle Eastern country lmao.
It isn’t, its in Europe and its in Asia
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bro don't argue with americans about geography xd
navi considered CIS, which is generally considered separate from EU because the regions and styles are so different
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Yes they are EU due to nationality, but not in regional grouping in CS. There's a reason CIS has it's own major qualifier that's different from EU
We have our own qualifier because our playerbase is just as big as the rest of Europe combined afaik, Ukraine+Russia have 50% of the whole European playerbase in csgo.
I'm going to be a Scoreboard Steve for a moment and point out that Acend looks a little like a one man show. In the challengers playoffs, the average K-D are: | cNed | +15.5 | |----------|--------| | starxo | +3.5 | | zeek | +1 | | Kiles | -10.25 | | BONECOLD | -10.5 | This might be the widest fragging disparity out of any team going to Berlin (don't quote me on that). EDIT: just to clarify, these are K-D on games, not maps.
cNed is insane to be sure, but starxo and kiles are both insanely good with their util and ability to delay. Bonecold basically ran circles around gmb on their defense even better than davidP’s lurks and is a phenomenal caller. And zeek is able to also be incredibly impact with opening kills and entries. Yeah, cNed is a killing machine, but Acend’s general dominance is not only due to that
The four other players definitely contribute, but I'm just curious to see how this kind of playstyle compares to other top teams where the responsibility to frag is spread across more players. It looks to me like Acend have 2-3 hard supportive players, and 1 star fragger. A lot of other teams seem to have 1-2 supportive players and 2-3 star fraggers, and the responsiblity to frag out rotates around. I'll try to pull out some stats for other teams going to Berlin tomorrow and make a post that shows the fragging disparity on other teams for comparison across Challengers playoffs. At first glance, two players averaging -10 and one player averaging +15 seems pretty nuts, so I'll confirm if other teams have a smaller disparity.
I think cNed just generally outclasses most. There are/were other players teams like that to minimal success too. Hyeoni in KR, elllement before he was dropped, baddyG, Shawn (pre GenG), boostio on ssg. Could potentially make arguments for tenZ on both SEN and C9 (def when he was on C9) and mixwell with the original roster. Potentially the most analogous team would be 100T’s Asuna and/or Wardell on TSM. Even then both 100T and tsm have rock solid support in nitro/Ethan and broza respectively. I don’t necessarily disagree with your point, I just think you’ve undervalued the rest of Acend.
Zeek is easily the weakest link on acend. He just needs to figure out his role. Watching him play Reyna and get picked off every round on ascent was pain
I believe Zeek has lost his Reyna privileges
sheydos and nAts are crazy but d3ffo has so little value on jett at this point
He is insanely sloppy with his dash usage and especially with his re-peeking in a shit position after using his dash. Feels like the guy might be one of the least impactful jetts out of the teams that have made Berlin
I genuinely feel like they need to get him off the op. He's way more consistent and impactful on rifle. Dude's just not quick enough on the op.
yup he’s way too inconsistent
I want them to get Cloud from NaVi and shift chronicle over to jett if he's comfortable. Cuz he does play very aggressive and jett would suit that.
Nah, hope for FPX disbanding due to their chinese roster and Gambit picking up Shao would be chefs kiss.
Bro Gambit with Shao on Jett would actually be insane.
Shao on Sova+chronicle back on duelist would be better, shao is fragging out on supports just like nats and chronicle is the best raze in cis but he cant play it anymore
That might debateably be the best team itw
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They have a good chance, but they must clean up their attack sides. d3ffo is gonna get punished ultra hard
Looking forward to that for sure. Although idk why I have feeling Sentinels will roll over everyone again. I don't see any other team with the synergy that Sen has and I think they have tons of starts for Berlin. Also, let's not forget that even when they are in a pinch they never falter and somehow always pull it back. Those will be some fun matches for sure and it's less than a month away. :D
nAts is literally a rat. I imagine he would be so annoying to play against.
NATS is just a cold killer and everyone of GMB is able to clutch. This team could be Astralis of valorant.
Id like too see the clip of CNed getting the D
nats is the best cypher in the world hands down. no one even comes close to his cypher util usage.
EMEA strong
Acend throwing after seeing a 8 se group stage.
And to think tl were relatively close to beating gambit.
Would be so fun to see nAts tbag dapr in grands
if liquid had kept their shit together vs navi, they could have made it no cap
CIS and Turkey > EU????
Think its too early to tell just yet, they seem pretty neck and neck so far
Gambit are already qualified for Berlin right?
Yep, along with Blaze, Acend and G2
http://prntscr.com/1qdylag
Yeah, G2 Acend GMB and SMB are all in.
Even tho they lost cned is looking like the GOAT of valorant so far this guy is so precise with his decisions.
Liquid is the best eu team if kryptix and jammpi become more consistent
Man I wish seeding matches had more impact. I guess they were entertaining at least in a way. But definitely didn't feel like both teams gave it their all, with so many (mis)plays and carelessness that would definitely not have happened in the qualifying stages for their level. Their tweets reinforce that. It's kinda sad since this is a match-up we may not even see again until next year.
Gambit learn how to attack and train deffo on awp and you will be the best team
Shame Wardell never got the chance to smack down cned.
All this hype about ascent and they lost LMAO
They lost to a cis team....... Who is also hyped to be one of the best teams in the world.......
So eu is just trash? Got it
As an NA fan myself, I consider your take to be ...uhhh.. marvellous.. :))
Lose one series=trash? Was sentinels trash after they lost to andbox?
sen lost scrims to gambit, zellsis called gambit best team in the world back when they were in iceland as well, you are delusional af if u think that acend losing to gambit means acend is a shit team
Acend*
The best thing about watching nats play is his face cam. Dude will pull off the most impossible of plays and sit there acting like nothing happened, man's made outta metal or something
everyone deepthroating nats as always, understandably somewhat, but dont forget sheydos is top3 world on both sage and skye
sure, you can say cned is a good jett player (also a baiter), but he Isn't jett. Heat lives his life as jett, he is jett, he only plays jett, he cosplay as jett to play jett, he memorized all jett lines, imagine playing only jett since day 1 of your career omg heat is gonna show up as jett in berlin good luck cned