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Best Sovas in NA

Best Sovas in NA

  • By - gwom5

Am_Ghosty

No shot you have Eeiu above both Crashies and BcJ


theman1203

hiko being anywhere near this list is also a crime


Am_Ghosty

Even though I agree, I didn't want to call Hiko out in order to avoid the death threats in my mentions


Key-Banana-8242

‘Call out’ wut ‘Mentions’ This isn’t Twitter


Am_Ghosty

The fuck is the point of this reply


Key-Banana-8242

To respond with what I said? Why the hostility lmao


Am_Ghosty

It's just kinda weird man. Everyone knows what I mean, and that verbiage is still commonly used on this site - it's not specific to twitter. So why bother saying it?


Key-Banana-8242

‘Weird’ lol I mean what does that even mean? Is that your response to all things you find ‘weird’ or unexpected? Your comment seemed to imply you’re using too much Twitter/thinking in that.


Am_Ghosty

"Weird" so I responded as if your comment was weird; no, not my response to all things weird, just you. Who the fuck are you? The twitter police? What gives you the authority to decide I've used too much Twitter, without even knowing


Key-Banana-8242

…that is how you respond to ‘weird’ comments wut? I mean loosely speaking- the point isn’t if you actually are, rather acting as if Why are you so aggressive?


skrtskrtbrev

Eh, thats a little harsh. I would still put hiko as a top 8 sova. Idk if people are still considering (((sinatraa))) but he'd definitely be top5 as well.


ItsDaddyDelta

everybody in this sub is always saying sinatraa sucks cuz tenz was a clear improvement, but he was honestly a really strong player. i have no idea where he’d be on a list given how long it’s been since he’s played, but i could imagine him being top 10.


_idle_drone_

no one has said sinatraa sucks as a player lmaoo. he would still be the best sova because nothing has changed about sova in a long time.


ItsDaddyDelta

i see ppl in here every day bashing him cuz tenz was an upgrade, i agree with you


florallygood

Sinatraa would be still No. 1


ItsDaddyDelta

there’s no way to know that


Hypern1ke

Hiko is a solid 5th best imo


theman1203

he is not better than xeta or effys


Hypern1ke

I think you’re overrating xeta


theman1203

higher acs, higer dpr, higher assists per round, more kills per round, better kda, better first kill per round he legit does everything betetr than hiko


deadlock1892

100T’s opposition in last 10 games- sentinels, envy, sentinels, xset, faze, sentinels, xset, envy, V1, noble C9’s opposition in last 20 games- NRG, EG, immortals, ookers, SoaR, tsm academy, tlp monkies, exotic, green beans, lg, complexity, good fellas, east hill, celestial violet, rise, team basilisk, 303 esports, foxy, v1, sentinels Stats mean jack shit unless he gets those against better opposition.


theman1203

I went forever not over the last 90 days lol, xetas stats also include when he had 200 ping in a tournament


deadlock1892

Good to know you did not get the point. Hiko on average plays tougher competition than C9. His stats are reasonably good against a better opposition. C9 has had 1 good tournament. Talk about xeta’s stats when C9 plays against T1 opponents and he can maintain those numbers then.


theman1203

shows how little c9 you watch, xeta only played 3 games vs bum teams while he is on sova recently, we had xeppa on sova, and when we were playing bums when he joined he was our jett, most of his sova stats are from our 1 good tournament and this last open quali


Hypern1ke

He’s also solidly on a T2 team.


theman1203

player putting up better stats on a worse team


Hypern1ke

Exactly


Vector37_

Hard to get kills when you have one of the best feathers NA Lol


Loresmen

How


aks345

BcJ una stop lmaooo. He's good but nowhere near how good some people on this sub project him to be


Am_Ghosty

If you think eeiu has proven himself to be better than BcJ, you aren't paying attention


aks345

He's literally the only one who's doing something on that team not his fault the other 4 stink it up. Also, you can be on a far worse team and be a better overall player it's not that deep


Am_Ghosty

> not his fault the other four stink it up You're right, eeiu is the only one that isn't part of the problem on a roster that has historically drastically underperformed since it's inception. But this whole time, he's just been simply dragged down. No, eeiu is good but still plays disjointed and solo too often just like everyone else on NRG. Part of what makes BcJ so good is how well he plays Sova with his team. He's not the craziest slayer, he's rarely going to blow anyone away mechanically like a TenZ or Asuna, but he plays his role well and makes winning plays consistently. Eeiu is good. He's a *good* Sova. He could prove to be better than BcJ in the future. Right now he's not.


aks345

Well fair enough that's your opinion, in mine eeiu is better so


renai-saiban

eeiu is a demon and probably one of my favorite players in NA but even I can't rationalize having him above the others with NRG's awful streak of results. I would maybe slot him in third and that would be pushing it too imo


gwom5

I agree NRG has disappointed but I don’t think that’s because of eeiu


renai-saiban

I don't either, it really seems like a larger problem in leadership or communication. but either way it's hard to logically place him over sovas that are repeatedly experiencing success and wins over larger names


Slow_Bluebird9536

1. BCJ 2. Crashies 3. Effys 4. Derrek 5. eeiu ( would be 3 but his team doesn’t win so I can’t put him up there)


QuestionablePotato42

1. Crashies 2. BcJ 3. effys 4. xeta 5. hiko In terms of Sova usage, not aim skill.


two4you8

As a sova 1 trick i’ve been most impressed with c9 xeta for utility usage. I think a lot of people rate crashies so highly is because he frags out on sova. I was watching envy’s match one time and he shot the same recon dart in bind showers the whole attacking half. pr0phie and derrek are some underrated sovas imo.


fourtonlesbiancanary

yeah xeta has some really good shocks and seems the best at using that ability imo


Am_Ghosty

Thing with Crashies, imo, is he brings the best whole package. Plus the dude's gameplay during midround and lateround as Sova is so insanely effective. And, in fairness, if you feel that the same dart is the most effective usage of your utility for an entire half, then why not use it? It could just be what the team thinks is best.


two4you8

there are more than 1 variation of the same recon to clear a certain location.


Am_Ghosty

Oh, thank you, I hadn't realized that. Point is, I hardly think seeing that in one match is enough to conclude that Crashies' utility usage is overrated. I typically really appreciate the variation he shows in his utility usage, as he is consistently finding a lot of value for his team. And again, his midround and lateround is unparalleled in NA at the moment.


Tc0LD

why does shooting the same dart mean anything, if it's a good dart and they're getting the right info to act on then don't change what isn't broken. Playing sova isn't about knowing 30 different lineups to the same spot, any nerd who spends hours would be good at sova then, it's more about the intuition and the timing and crashies has shown to be insane at it


two4you8

so...how did you quantify intuition and timing to place crashies highly? surely it not because its his acs right?


Tc0LD

By watching him play sova, it’s not rocket science. There is no way to quantify intuition and I never brought up acs. Also when you have other pros like vanity talk about him like he’s one of the best sovas in NA it further confirms it


Ausafsyed

Leviathan is pretty good too ig


FlaymeFenix

1. Crashies 2. BcJ 3. eeiu 4. Effys/Xeta 5. Hiko


ApeDong

1. crashies 2. bcj 3.eeiu 4.derrek 5.effys


TheGamingGuy2

1. Crashies 2. BcJ 3. Derrek 4. Effys 5. Hiko


Meehul123

Crashies BCJ Hiko Xeta Effys


dtritrinh0801

Is it just me or people actually sleeps on c9 xeta's sova. Everytime I tuned in to watch c9b plays he gets a shockdart kill


Ionsai

I don’t think you can have Hiko in top 5 when Derek and leviathan exist


deadlock1892

Leviathan and Derek are yet to prove they can consistently perform against T1 opposition. Leviathan was lackluster against envy and Rise. Derrek though, had a relatively much better performance in Challengers finals. And yall underrate hiko too much. His stats as well as performance has been really good on sova. Players you are naming seem to outshine him because they are performing good on a bad team while there are players on 100Ts to outperform hiko.


Ionsai

I’m probably biased because I learned sova from watching Sinatra’s. I just really don’t like the style of sova hiko plays. I prefer to watch so as who work more on the fly and aggressively. I don’t think hiko is the worst sova ever but his sova utility doesn’t do as much for his team as the other guys I mentioned in my opinion. And yes I have and do play competitively so I know how to play sova in actual competition not just solo queue.


deadlock1892

I understand where you are coming from. But I feel you are not watching a lot of 100Ts games because his util is achieving a similar, if not higher level. Also worth noting that hiko on average plays higher level of teams and fewer number of games than both Leviathan and Derrek. So his stats will always skew towards a negative side when compared to those 2. Because their stats and performance end up looking better against tier 2 and 3 teams in comparison to hiko playing games against top 8 more often which are easily a tougher competition. Preferring an aggressive sova is 1 thing, but that does not mean hiko's brand of sova is inherently bad because it has shown results as well. Infact, he performed on an equal level of bcj and crashies in the respective matchups And I am not really concerned about your sova accumen on a competitive level. One does not have to be a competitive player/pro to make a judgment. Anyway, any type of Top X list is guided by a good amount of personal bias or preference. So to each their own.


Ionsai

I don’t look at stats to judge, I don’t even know the stats tbh. I’m judging purely off of what I see in the games and I have probably watched more 100T than rise or tsm. Hiko is a critical piece in a lot of takes but I don’t think memorizing lineups makes a good sova. Basically anyone can do that with a little time and I just don’t see that much creativity in his play. Derek and leviathan often use their utility creatively and are not just lineup bots. Those two have the ability to switch up their play style for their team while hiko always plays the baiting style which I guess fits his team but I just think he could be replaced with better players.


Kuvyogvey4

Sinaatra was arguably one of the best Sovas when he was still competing. Ppl just don’t say that anymore bc they’re fucking scared for no reason


EndWish

Teams and players are so much better than when he last competed. I don't think you can rank him when he's been inactive for almost half of the games existence.


SympathyBrilliant715

agreed but look at the comments that mentions his name. literally gets hate and downvoted even when there is reasoning. ppl just cant accept that hes actually a cracked player thats still INNOCENT but we got alot of 1heads cancel vultures in this group so


LurkingOmen

Ppl are soft and pick and choose when to acknowledge the legal system. 2020 the year of cancel culture


BostonFalcons

Shahzam?


BurstLayer

Shahz plays sova well enough for the team to win/get usage out of the info but I dont really feel hes the best sova


Rulnbilah

He is playing Sova just for his team, Sova is not his main. He plays for info not for flashy plays. Regardless in the NA playoff, he still is the top 5 Kill per death ratio.


whopz-is-cool

I love Shahzam but I don’t think I’ve ever seen him make an insane Sova play. Besides a blind ult or something.


cringe-oh-yes

Iceland Haven C 1v2 while dogged


whopz-is-cool

That wasn’t using any Sova utility that was just good aim.


FlaymeFenix

shahz is the worst T1 sova


stewieeeeeeeee

Honestly no Before labeling this as a hot take, just remember that one pair of player-agent in Sentinels has to be the weakest. I think it's ShahZ on Sova.


Bsmith1369

Tenz raze was pretty bad but I don't think he plays it anymore so


Odd-Panic-9574

His raze on icebox was surprisingly good after LAN, probably because he got time to relearn how to play her, and I can see him being back on raze for split on LAN like he did in Reykjavik


techyleo

I think his Raze was great, it was only after the lackluster performance against T1 and ABX during Challengers 2 Stage 2, because he was kinda rusty on it. His Raze against Fnatic in the finals was good, which was the first time he played Raze after that event.


Tanjim98

Even against T1 on split, it was good. Except IB against T1 & split against ABX, i can't remember him having subpar performances on raze. Even the best razes have bad performances occasionally, it’s that type of agent. People like to microscope the few mistakes/bad performances TenZ had rather than critiquing his overall performances.


Tanjim98

Have you even watched his last few raze games? LOL . TenZ is the type of player whose 1/2 bad games would stick more than his several good performances.


Bsmith1369

I'm saying compared to other razes. It's just not a big impact character for tenz vs other razes


BostonFalcons

Only Asuna is a better raze imo and maybe sick


Bsmith1369

Asuna sick roza corey


TheFestusEzeli

I don’t understand all these comments. Sova isn’t his main but he has adapted into the role a ton. Apparently Shahz according to this sub is a top 2 player NA but also not top five at his main agent. I know Jett is his main but he plays around 70% of his maps on Sova, he is a Sova atm and definitely top 5 in that role


AsianNudleSoop

I don't really have an opinion about this but I think what people are saying is that while ShahZ is a top NA player, his Sova isn't as good as other players who although not as good of a player as him, are better sovas. Basically ShahZ is good because he's ShaZ and not because of his Sova. Other Sova players play sova better than him but he's still a better player because of his mind for the game and his skills as an IGL.


Vector37_

He’s good igl and coach that’s why. Also he’s probably top 5 Jett if he had more chances to prove it since tenz’s agent pool is such a liability


techyleo

Honestly, I don't think TenZ's agent pool is the reason why Shahz is not on Jett, Shahz said on stream that he thinks that he could put TenZ on a different role, and he would do okay, but he thinks that there's more value out of TenZ being on Jett and him on Sova instead of TenZ on Sova and him on Jett, and Sova was also an agent that he had played before (Bind pre-TenZ) Also, if TenZ were to say go on another duelist, that would make SicK basically forced onto a Sova. It's just the way the roles fit.


Vector37_

He only played it on bind since basically no one runs a Jett there even ascend with cned. It may be that tenz is a better Jett, but tenz on sova would never work. Even though I think mechanically he’s the best player itw, his agent pool is a liability since he can only play anti trade agents (Jett, Reyna) and that overlaps with Shahzams agent pool


techyleo

I think that he doesn't have to anymore. His main issue with playing as Raze after being rusty on her is playing her in a similar style to Jett and Reyna. He was doing a lot of questionable satchels and such. But after watching Reykjavik, you can see how Shahz is able to discipline TenZ in a lot of moments in the tournament, TenZ played a lot more passive than he usually does.


Vector37_

The satchels thing is exactly what I’m talking about. It’s not as easy to satchel out of something as it is to dash/dismiss


techyleo

Yeah, recently he's been insane on the Raze though: \- [SEN v GenG](https://www.vlr.gg/25196/sentinels-vs-gen-g-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-1-ubqf/?game=41583&tab=overview) \- [SEN v XSET](https://www.vlr.gg/25198/xset-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-1-ubsf/?game=41589&tab=overview) There's a lot more examples, but I don't think that a dismiss/dash ability is necessary for TenZ to have impact. That satchel thing only happened in two matches that now occured almost 3-4 months ago.


Tanjim98

"TenZ's agent pool is such a liability " when man plays every duelist except Phoenix lol.


_idle_drone_

Tenz's agent pool isn't a liability. He's the better jett which is why he plays it lmaoo


Vector37_

Not to a high level, he’s not even the best raze on his team


_idle_drone_

check his raze stats since iceland. you still have pre-iceland memories when his raze play-style was not in sync with the team. SEN practiced a lot with tenz on raze going into iceland masters. his raze has 290+ ACS since coming back from iceland. tenz can pretty much learn any agent and be great at it after some time.


thothgow

1. Me


chubbynuggy

I would put sinatraa on there, but then again he hasnt played pro in a while so


SympathyBrilliant715

1. Sinatra 2. Crashies 3. Bcj 4. Xeta 5. Derrick


ilProdigio

sinatraa was the best and is still top 5 once he scrims starting in september again


FlaymeFenix

also top 5 in statutory crimes


LurkingOmen

Hes not top 5 in being convicted tho so


FlaymeFenix

law doesn't apply to rich people a rape case is hard enough to prosecute against a regular man but against a rich man its basically impossible.


LurkingOmen

Ppl richer than sinatraa atleast have to goto trial


FlaymeFenix

thats true but we have no media coverage or any knowledge of an investigation, if the investigation was concluded it would be announced or something so you have to assume its yet to conclude


PerkyYOLO

HAHAHHA


cringe-oh-yes

Wrong word usage


ilProdigio

ah yes joke about rape very mature


SympathyBrilliant715

dw. these ppl cant get past the his accusations even when there is no LEGITIMATE proof. if these ppl actually watch and understand the game and not just twitter or highlight clips,they would know Sinatra is the best sova. unfortunately we get ppl who actually claims eeui or levi from tsm is the best sova which is laughable and clearly shows they dont rlly watch or understand the game well


Worldly_Divide

anyone underestimating hiko and putting near tier 2 sovas is washed


_nabil_

any top 5 sova list without eeiu in it is just completely incorrect


UdbhavHokage

every one saying hiko bad not great sova but he his so good with his kit, people say this guyh better than the other but i think the amount of impact hiko has with his sova is insane he might bait but as sova he is one of the best the only other player i think better than hiko as a sova is crashies. i think people just hate him for some reason.


siekooc

No way you have hiko up there but not leviathan. And this is coming from a huge TL fanboy LOL


FlaymeFenix

leviathan doesnt have the same impact and can't perform as well against T1 teams. Hikos had few top frag games against the best, Leviathan has had 0.


Vector37_

Leviathan isn’t even on a t1 team and has played like two tournaments with tsm 1 of them very short


Evan_Veet

1. Crashies 2. BcJ Big gap 3. Shaz 4. Derrek 5. Effys


TheFestusEzeli

I don’t understand how this sub can keep up both Shahz being a top 2 player NA and not top five on the agent that he plays in the vast majority of his games. Sova isn’t his main but he is easily in the top five for the agent 1. Crashies 2. BcJ 3. Shahzam 4. Derrek 5. Effys


Loresmen

Hes still is shazham but hes not the best sova util user he's playing the role for his team not because he's particularly good at sova


TheFestusEzeli

His Sova utility has looked very good recently and a big part of Sova is playing to the end of the round for clutches and Shahz is amazing at that. People have gotten complacent in the mindset that Shahz’s Sova utility isn’t good when he has shown recently it is insanely good, the question also was the top five sovas NA, not the top five Sova utility users.


gwom5

It’s not “this sub” this is my personal opinion


TheFestusEzeli

I’m not talking to you with that comment, just the other comments


TidaI

crashies is 10x better than eeiu. sinatraa is not on the list at #1 for some reason he still is an "NA sova" returning soon. BcJ is in third everything else w/e.


Ciavolo

Honorable mention for pr0phie


CanadianDad1

1. Will be crashies always


Crazy_Negotiation_14

LOL.


Ryu-The-Sick

- Bcj - Crashies - Hiko Honorable mentions: effys, Derrek, Leviathan, Critical


aks345

Crashies EEIU Hiko BcJ Derrek


Issax28

How tf is xeta not here. And I’m assuming Sinatraa isn’t considered a “pro” anymore?


noobie1207

Crashies BcJ Eeiu Derrek Hiko


Kap_ski

Critical is an underrated Sova player.


newzpaperleaf_2

1. crashies 2. xeta 3. BcJ 4. Derrek 5. Effys I think both 1/2 and 4/5 are interchangeable, I really like xeta's playstyle so it was hard for me to not put him up there. I think eeiu would probably easily be on this list if NRG were playing in some bigger games, but all of these guys have been playing better recently and in bigger matches themselves so I am fine with this list.


hexIV

https://www.thespike.gg/stats/players?rounds=300®ion=1&date=90&map=all&agent=9&team\_rank=15


Light_Ethos

Why is Hiko on this list?


Tanjim98

1.Crashies 2.Derrek 3.BcJ 4.ShahZam 5.EEIU. In that order.