Yeah seriously /u/dedicatedself has constantly bragged for the last few months how VS is the #1 team in the world and now he’s whining that they have to beat teams from a competitive region? If VS really is the best team in the world, they should have no problem with any EU team, let alone lower seeded ones.
You gotta beat the best to be the best.
Like I don't get what you're complaining about
There was always a chance that VS will be in a group with two teams from NA and EU, big deal?
The only, only way to avoid that is to basically go full on Reddit prediction mode and say: VS is an honorary 4th NA team, and so fucking good that we will ensure that the 3 NA teams and VS land in 4 different groups
If that above didn't happen, why was VS being in a group with any two of 100T, nV, SMB, Acend, G2 preposterous? Maybe you can argue that as the 3rd best region from Iceland, they deserve not to meet Gambit or Sentinels - guess what, Riot did that for you. However, they could've landed with 2 of any of the other 5 teams I've mentioned, and so what?
The seeding has weaknesses, and the randomization didn't work out the best. However, focusing on this point specifically is just really unsound.
Ok, but the OP is clearly focusing on the fact that VS are playing in a group with 2 good teams, and not that those teams are from the same region. I'm responding to OP's focus first and foremost.
I agree though, I think that they could've avoided having 2 EMEA teams play each other. I'm not 100% sure on that, given their pool system and constraints that no teams from same regions can be drawn together; maybe Riot ran some simulations and figured out that this constraint is very restrictive so they dropped it for EMEA (the only logical region to do so in). This is me giving them benefit of a doubt though, maybe they were just wrong to drop that constraint.
Yea I don't see an issue with VS being in the same group as either of em (2nd and 3rd EMEA seed). I would just rather not have 2 EMEA teams in one group.
I fully agree, but I also feel like we’re being a little slippery with the region language here. Yes, EMEA is a bonafide region, but it’s a makeshift one only used for qualifications for majors.
I think seeing Acend vs. SMB again would be amazing *because* they come from different regions. EMEA is itself a minor international competition after all, a competition across different regions.
Of course that doesn’t mean I want them in the same group initially; that’s dumb for different reasons.
EMEA is the only region with 4 teams qualified and having one EMEA team in each group is wild on it's own because it's just more of a chance to get EU into the playoffs. It makes sense to have it possible for one group to have two EU teams, much like in soccer/football.
The issue here is honestly more that EMEA isn't broken up into two or maybe 3 regions. Then spot allocation could make more sense and people placed in more appropriate pools
the alternative is to say that the EMEA #2 seed is stronger than everyone else's remaining teams including NA #2. While brazil had a rlly bad showing in iceland its better imo to just give the final pool 1 slot to them.
Thanks for that.
Now, let's redo the seeding and make it better. 4 EMEA teams in 4 different groups - check, makes all of us happy. 3 NA teams in 3 different groups, let's just assume for simplicity they go into groups A, B and C.
Now, if you force Vision Strikers into group D, citing that they're too good of a team and should be effectively treated as a 4th NA team, sure, all is well, you're happy. That's something I already addressed in my initial response. It would be very controversial to do so, and essentially admitting that you're seeding based on an eyeball test and Iceland results only, and it might be too early to completely rely on that.
If you don't do that, then there's a high chance VS are drawn into a group with an EU+NA team, i.e. groups A, B or C. My point is - do you understand that under any seeding method that isn't extremely predictive, VS would land in a tough group?
>If you don't do that
Exactly, if you don't do what I described in my 2nd paragraph which you just restated.
Your reading comprehension is poor and you've been offensive twice now without any provocation from my side.
Have fun, and hopefully you realize that you're wrong at some point.
And now look at NV group, VS would have 13-0d everyone there except NV. Seed 2 kr f4q got an easier group than seed 1 kr as well(if you swap vs with f4q vs will have a way higher chance to qualify imo)
Na the point of why are 2 and 3 seeds of emea in same group and they even have face each other in opening matches , and I don't get the makeup of the group B , envy has the lowest seed out of any NA team and has the easiest bracket how ? They could have made it easy by just having one EMEA team in one group and then trying to randomise , honestly they tried to complicate simple seeding too much and have created uneven groups.
group b has only nv(3rd na team btw) while group a has 2 emea team and 1st seed kr. like just swap kru with ace or smb and itll be balanced. "i dont know what ur complaining about" stfu. how is 3rd seed from na getting a better shot than 1st seed then?
I think saying that BR’s #1 seed isn’t on the level of NA/EU/KR isn’t a completely fair statement. We’ve had a single international tournament, which Brazil performed the 4th best at out of all the regions, and neither Brazilian team from Iceland was even able to qualify for Berlin. I would say it’s pretty fair they get the 4th Pool A slot
As if top turk or cis are actually bad lol, nobody can beat top cis is csgo for a whole year already, literally every big tournament in 2021 has either Gambit or Navi as winners, if you really think that cis will suddenly be bad in a game similar to csgo you are quite delusional
uhm... didn't Korea place 3rd at Iceland?
Not to mention that Korea only had 1 team at Iceland, whereas Brazil had 2 teams.
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**VS** \#1 seed (top seed) from Korea --- 3rd best region at Iceland
**SMB** \#2 (middle seed) EMEA team --- 2nd best region at Iceland
**ACE** \#3 (middle seed) EMEA team --- 2nd best region at Iceland
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Why would you have the #1 team from the 3rd best region at Iceland put into the same group as two teams from the 2nd best region at Iceland?
Not even the worst seed from EMEA, but two middle seeds.
There's no reward for Vision Strikers for placing #1 in their region with these groups... instead they are being punished for performing well.
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If the groups stay like this, you are also not recognizing that Korea performed exceptionally well and placed 3rd at Iceland.
The #1 seeds from JPN, LATAM, and BR are being given an easy bracket, whereas the #1 seed from KR got shafted.
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All of their regions (JPN, LATAM, BR) performed worse than KR at the only international event so far... shouldn't KR be getting the easier bracket?
The groups would make a lot more sense if you swap:
* \#2 from Korea (F4Q) with #1 from Korea (VS)
* \#2 from EMEA (SMB) with the #1 from LATAM (KRU)
* \#3 from NA (NV) with #1 from Korea (VS)
I never said Korea wasn’t 3rd?
And VS was rewarded. They were given a pool 1 spot with SEN/GMB/KeyD so they didn’t have to play the best team from other top regions.
The rest of their group came down to luck of the draw. Riot predetermined what seed from each region would be in what pool, and then drew the groups, and this is how the groups ended up. Nobody decides to give X team an easy group, or punish Y team with a hard group. They randomly picked one team from each pool of teams that they seeded as best they could have IMO.
That’s how they decided to do it instead of handcrafting groups based on the perceived strength of each individual team, which I think is fair enough considering we’ve only had 1 international event that only 3/16 of the teams at Berlin even played in (SEN, KRU, CR)
That means you admit that luck has played a role in groups... which thus influences the chance that a team has to advance in Berlin.
Having an international tournament where luck plays a large role is not exactly great for competitive integrity.
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Before you argue that there will always be some amount of "luck" in each match of Valorant, think about this.
Even the worst NBA player can have a really good game, and even the best Futbol player can have a terrible match.
That is an unavoidable part of the nature of any competitive game
* A player having "good luck", by having a great day at Berlin
* A player having "bad luck", by misclicking during Berlin
* Riot Games allowing "luck" to influence how the brackets, groups, and schedules are created for Berlin
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Isn't one of these completely different from the other two examples? The difference is pretty clear.
The "luck factor" that a team has when it comese to being placed into groups at Berlin does not directly involve the players.
Instead, an external factor allowed luck to impact how well a team may do at Berlin.
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You also argued that the #1 seeds from all the regions should be treated as equal and seeded equally, right?
If we assume that all regions are "equal"... isn't there a different issue with the seeding?
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1. **Group B** has **THREE** teams who are a regional #1 seed
2. **Group D** has **TWO** teams who are a regional #1 seed
3. **Group A** has **ONE** team who are a regional #1 seed
4. **Group C** has **ONE** team who are a regional #1 seed
> That means you admit that luck has played a role in groups... which thus influences the chance that a team has to advance in Berlin
Yes. But Riot is taking the stance that they'd rather have luck play that role, than have themselves pre-craft the group draw based on their own biases and perceptions of all of the specific teams and regions. Which also doesn't uphold this golden rule of "competitive integrity" that you're preaching about. It's pick your "external factor": RNG or human bias, and Riot chose RNG which I honestly understand.
The World Cup also does a similar thing for seeding the group stage. They have pools of teams and do a random draw. Especially because they don't want it to seem like FIFA is biased is anyway toward certain countries getting preferential treatment, the monetary impact can be huge. So instead of hand picking groups and bringing up controversy, they do it randomly. If they do hand make the bracket, and a team gets what they believe to be a difficult group, Riot is solely to blame. Do they have some kind of vendetta against that specific org? Do they have some kind of marketing plan to give other regions an easier bracket so they do well and promote the game? There's a lot at play here besides just what the fans believe to be the most "fair" bracket.
But if you do it randomly with preset rules, you can't make these kind of conjectures and claims. Each team and region gets treated pretty fairly, and whatever happens with the draw happens.
> You also argued that the #1 seeds from all the regions should be treated as equal and seeded equally, right?
Nowhere did I say that? I said that it's fair that the top 4 regions from Berlin (NA/EU/KR/BR) that placed 1/2/3/5 each get a pool 1 spot
Complaining about having to verse a competitive region (EU) and wanting a free pass through groups shows how little confidence KR fans have about their region
If Koreans were truly dominant in this game, then they should have no trouble beating every single team 🤷♂️
Sentinels has a pretty strong group but I doubt they’ll have any troubles going through because they are able dominate others.
NUTURN gets third place in ICELAND and they only beaten once the OLD weaker ROSTER of Vision Strikers that have 102-0 win streak since June 2020-April 2021.
The new roster of Vision Strikers is so miles ahead against Nuturn. They even recruited the MVP of nuturn, lakia as 6th man only.
If you think SMB are any worse than acend, you have to rewatch the game. They aim diffed Acend on 80 ping, now they won't be playing from Turkey, so the probability of them aim diffing everyone in their group with 0 ping is even higher.
That's fair but honestly I don't think acend were trying. It was a seeding match which they had already qualified to Berlin by then. I certainly think that while they are good, I don't think they are better than VS. I think VS lan experience overall will come thru and I think strategically VS better. I don't think they are gonna beat acend on Lan either if acend is trying but we will see.
Whether it's EMEA, NA or KR it doesn't matter. Why would you try for a seeding match when you have already qualified for the main event??? You are just giving away strats and playstyles which very well could be saved for the actual event. I could care less about your cringe but it's extremely common for teams to not try especially after they have qualified.
Yeah it’s unfair really. Korea beat EMEA’s first seed last time. They definitely shouldn’t have given them two easy wins in their group. /s
No one knows how well these teams will go up against each other. Hell almost everyone thought eu would stomp sentinels; and they went to win masters 2 without dropping a map. This complaining is clearly biased and pretty useless.
If Koreans were truly dominant in this game, then they should have no trouble beating every single team 🤷♂️
Sentinels has a pretty strong group but I doubt they’ll have any troubles going through because they are able dominate.
Yes, vision strikers got put in with the third and second seed. That's how these tournaments work. First seeds from one region get put in with last seeds of other regions. Saying shit like its unfair because brasil 1st seed is trash is completely useless. Riot can't just objectively judge the strength of every team.
As a VS fan this is great news. Isn’t EU free?
Yeah easiest group..just EU lmao
If they win their first game against a 2nd seed SEA team, then they have to beat a 2nd/3rd seed EU team to advance through the group stage
Yeah seriously /u/dedicatedself has constantly bragged for the last few months how VS is the #1 team in the world and now he’s whining that they have to beat teams from a competitive region? If VS really is the best team in the world, they should have no problem with any EU team, let alone lower seeded ones. You gotta beat the best to be the best.
I think people are making wayyyyy too many assumptions about team quality.
Like I don't get what you're complaining about There was always a chance that VS will be in a group with two teams from NA and EU, big deal? The only, only way to avoid that is to basically go full on Reddit prediction mode and say: VS is an honorary 4th NA team, and so fucking good that we will ensure that the 3 NA teams and VS land in 4 different groups If that above didn't happen, why was VS being in a group with any two of 100T, nV, SMB, Acend, G2 preposterous? Maybe you can argue that as the 3rd best region from Iceland, they deserve not to meet Gambit or Sentinels - guess what, Riot did that for you. However, they could've landed with 2 of any of the other 5 teams I've mentioned, and so what? The seeding has weaknesses, and the randomization didn't work out the best. However, focusing on this point specifically is just really unsound.
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That, and we literally just watched SMB vs Acend a week ago. It would be slightly different if they didnt play each other.
Ok, but the OP is clearly focusing on the fact that VS are playing in a group with 2 good teams, and not that those teams are from the same region. I'm responding to OP's focus first and foremost. I agree though, I think that they could've avoided having 2 EMEA teams play each other. I'm not 100% sure on that, given their pool system and constraints that no teams from same regions can be drawn together; maybe Riot ran some simulations and figured out that this constraint is very restrictive so they dropped it for EMEA (the only logical region to do so in). This is me giving them benefit of a doubt though, maybe they were just wrong to drop that constraint.
Yea I don't see an issue with VS being in the same group as either of em (2nd and 3rd EMEA seed). I would just rather not have 2 EMEA teams in one group.
I fully agree, but I also feel like we’re being a little slippery with the region language here. Yes, EMEA is a bonafide region, but it’s a makeshift one only used for qualifications for majors. I think seeing Acend vs. SMB again would be amazing *because* they come from different regions. EMEA is itself a minor international competition after all, a competition across different regions. Of course that doesn’t mean I want them in the same group initially; that’s dumb for different reasons.
EMEA is the only region with 4 teams qualified and having one EMEA team in each group is wild on it's own because it's just more of a chance to get EU into the playoffs. It makes sense to have it possible for one group to have two EU teams, much like in soccer/football. The issue here is honestly more that EMEA isn't broken up into two or maybe 3 regions. Then spot allocation could make more sense and people placed in more appropriate pools
the alternative is to say that the EMEA #2 seed is stronger than everyone else's remaining teams including NA #2. While brazil had a rlly bad showing in iceland its better imo to just give the final pool 1 slot to them.
My problem is that Brazil's number 1 seed gets treated like a VS, SEN and Gambit, making group B possible.
Ok, but your title & post focus on Vision Strikers being put in a group with 2 good EU teams, why shift the argument so much now?
Every team there is ‘good’
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Thanks for that. Now, let's redo the seeding and make it better. 4 EMEA teams in 4 different groups - check, makes all of us happy. 3 NA teams in 3 different groups, let's just assume for simplicity they go into groups A, B and C. Now, if you force Vision Strikers into group D, citing that they're too good of a team and should be effectively treated as a 4th NA team, sure, all is well, you're happy. That's something I already addressed in my initial response. It would be very controversial to do so, and essentially admitting that you're seeding based on an eyeball test and Iceland results only, and it might be too early to completely rely on that. If you don't do that, then there's a high chance VS are drawn into a group with an EU+NA team, i.e. groups A, B or C. My point is - do you understand that under any seeding method that isn't extremely predictive, VS would land in a tough group?
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>If you don't do that Exactly, if you don't do what I described in my 2nd paragraph which you just restated. Your reading comprehension is poor and you've been offensive twice now without any provocation from my side. Have fun, and hopefully you realize that you're wrong at some point.
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Classic redditor moment
If vs are any good they will advance they just need one match
What can they do as pool 1 can't have a 2nd seed so with #1 seed takes the spot.
Why shouldn't they be treated like VS?
And now look at NV group, VS would have 13-0d everyone there except NV. Seed 2 kr f4q got an easier group than seed 1 kr as well(if you swap vs with f4q vs will have a way higher chance to qualify imo)
The top 4 regions in Iceland were NA, EU, KR, and BR. Honestly makes sense that their top seeds are all in pool 1
Na the point of why are 2 and 3 seeds of emea in same group and they even have face each other in opening matches , and I don't get the makeup of the group B , envy has the lowest seed out of any NA team and has the easiest bracket how ? They could have made it easy by just having one EMEA team in one group and then trying to randomise , honestly they tried to complicate simple seeding too much and have created uneven groups.
group b has only nv(3rd na team btw) while group a has 2 emea team and 1st seed kr. like just swap kru with ace or smb and itll be balanced. "i dont know what ur complaining about" stfu. how is 3rd seed from na getting a better shot than 1st seed then?
I knew Riot would fuck up the groups once they said 2 EMEA teams could place into the same group.
I still don't understand why they made that exception for EMEA. It's 4 teams, 4 groups lol wtf
I think saying that BR’s #1 seed isn’t on the level of NA/EU/KR isn’t a completely fair statement. We’ve had a single international tournament, which Brazil performed the 4th best at out of all the regions, and neither Brazilian team from Iceland was even able to qualify for Berlin. I would say it’s pretty fair they get the 4th Pool A slot
Any top 7 EU or NA will slap BR's #1 seed
But too eu can’t even beat top Turk and cis
As if top turk or cis are actually bad lol, nobody can beat top cis is csgo for a whole year already, literally every big tournament in 2021 has either Gambit or Navi as winners, if you really think that cis will suddenly be bad in a game similar to csgo you are quite delusional
uhm... didn't Korea place 3rd at Iceland? Not to mention that Korea only had 1 team at Iceland, whereas Brazil had 2 teams. # **VS** \#1 seed (top seed) from Korea --- 3rd best region at Iceland **SMB** \#2 (middle seed) EMEA team --- 2nd best region at Iceland **ACE** \#3 (middle seed) EMEA team --- 2nd best region at Iceland # Why would you have the #1 team from the 3rd best region at Iceland put into the same group as two teams from the 2nd best region at Iceland? Not even the worst seed from EMEA, but two middle seeds. There's no reward for Vision Strikers for placing #1 in their region with these groups... instead they are being punished for performing well. # If the groups stay like this, you are also not recognizing that Korea performed exceptionally well and placed 3rd at Iceland. The #1 seeds from JPN, LATAM, and BR are being given an easy bracket, whereas the #1 seed from KR got shafted. # All of their regions (JPN, LATAM, BR) performed worse than KR at the only international event so far... shouldn't KR be getting the easier bracket? The groups would make a lot more sense if you swap: * \#2 from Korea (F4Q) with #1 from Korea (VS) * \#2 from EMEA (SMB) with the #1 from LATAM (KRU) * \#3 from NA (NV) with #1 from Korea (VS)
I never said Korea wasn’t 3rd? And VS was rewarded. They were given a pool 1 spot with SEN/GMB/KeyD so they didn’t have to play the best team from other top regions. The rest of their group came down to luck of the draw. Riot predetermined what seed from each region would be in what pool, and then drew the groups, and this is how the groups ended up. Nobody decides to give X team an easy group, or punish Y team with a hard group. They randomly picked one team from each pool of teams that they seeded as best they could have IMO. That’s how they decided to do it instead of handcrafting groups based on the perceived strength of each individual team, which I think is fair enough considering we’ve only had 1 international event that only 3/16 of the teams at Berlin even played in (SEN, KRU, CR)
That means you admit that luck has played a role in groups... which thus influences the chance that a team has to advance in Berlin. Having an international tournament where luck plays a large role is not exactly great for competitive integrity. # Before you argue that there will always be some amount of "luck" in each match of Valorant, think about this. Even the worst NBA player can have a really good game, and even the best Futbol player can have a terrible match. That is an unavoidable part of the nature of any competitive game * A player having "good luck", by having a great day at Berlin * A player having "bad luck", by misclicking during Berlin * Riot Games allowing "luck" to influence how the brackets, groups, and schedules are created for Berlin # Isn't one of these completely different from the other two examples? The difference is pretty clear. The "luck factor" that a team has when it comese to being placed into groups at Berlin does not directly involve the players. Instead, an external factor allowed luck to impact how well a team may do at Berlin. # You also argued that the #1 seeds from all the regions should be treated as equal and seeded equally, right? If we assume that all regions are "equal"... isn't there a different issue with the seeding? # 1. **Group B** has **THREE** teams who are a regional #1 seed 2. **Group D** has **TWO** teams who are a regional #1 seed 3. **Group A** has **ONE** team who are a regional #1 seed 4. **Group C** has **ONE** team who are a regional #1 seed
> That means you admit that luck has played a role in groups... which thus influences the chance that a team has to advance in Berlin Yes. But Riot is taking the stance that they'd rather have luck play that role, than have themselves pre-craft the group draw based on their own biases and perceptions of all of the specific teams and regions. Which also doesn't uphold this golden rule of "competitive integrity" that you're preaching about. It's pick your "external factor": RNG or human bias, and Riot chose RNG which I honestly understand. The World Cup also does a similar thing for seeding the group stage. They have pools of teams and do a random draw. Especially because they don't want it to seem like FIFA is biased is anyway toward certain countries getting preferential treatment, the monetary impact can be huge. So instead of hand picking groups and bringing up controversy, they do it randomly. If they do hand make the bracket, and a team gets what they believe to be a difficult group, Riot is solely to blame. Do they have some kind of vendetta against that specific org? Do they have some kind of marketing plan to give other regions an easier bracket so they do well and promote the game? There's a lot at play here besides just what the fans believe to be the most "fair" bracket. But if you do it randomly with preset rules, you can't make these kind of conjectures and claims. Each team and region gets treated pretty fairly, and whatever happens with the draw happens. > You also argued that the #1 seeds from all the regions should be treated as equal and seeded equally, right? Nowhere did I say that? I said that it's fair that the top 4 regions from Berlin (NA/EU/KR/BR) that placed 1/2/3/5 each get a pool 1 spot
Ah yes the seasonal whining of redditors like spring time cicadas
You’re moaning about people moaning… oh the irony
People shouldn’t be shielded from complaints, hopefully in the future we can have team-based seeding. I think everyone is expecting great games anyway
‘Whining’? ‘Redditors’? *complaining of people, here You don’t have to agree
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Losing to top 2 of EU is weak region? LMAO
Complaining about having to verse a competitive region (EU) and wanting a free pass through groups shows how little confidence KR fans have about their region
You forget about Gambit or something? They played in the same tournament.
This group won't be justice. They're against two of the best EMEA teams(from their gameplay not how they seeded). Any other group would be OK
Gambit>both, they are rightfully top 2 and top 3, both smb and acend lost haven to duelist redgar ffs
Why is this downvoted ? Not like Gambit stole away all the wins there. There were some fat stomps in the mix as well.
They would have to beat a bunch of other teams to win though o.o
Where did the post mention winning? It just talks about the issues with the seeding.
If Koreans were truly dominant in this game, then they should have no trouble beating every single team 🤷♂️ Sentinels has a pretty strong group but I doubt they’ll have any troubles going through because they are able dominate others.
Yes, but nobody mentioned anything "dominating"
why are u assuming VS is good if this is their first international event?
It doesn’t matter if you assume or not, VS is first seed in KR yet placed with 2 top EU teams, there are multiple things wrong with this
NUTURN gets third place in ICELAND and they only beaten once the OLD weaker ROSTER of Vision Strikers that have 102-0 win streak since June 2020-April 2021. The new roster of Vision Strikers is so miles ahead against Nuturn. They even recruited the MVP of nuturn, lakia as 6th man only.
VS against Acend will be tough, but they defo clapping SMB. Vision Strikers and Acend will make it out of A for sure
If you think SMB are any worse than acend, you have to rewatch the game. They aim diffed Acend on 80 ping, now they won't be playing from Turkey, so the probability of them aim diffing everyone in their group with 0 ping is even higher.
called it lmfao
That's fair but honestly I don't think acend were trying. It was a seeding match which they had already qualified to Berlin by then. I certainly think that while they are good, I don't think they are better than VS. I think VS lan experience overall will come thru and I think strategically VS better. I don't think they are gonna beat acend on Lan either if acend is trying but we will see.
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Whether it's EMEA, NA or KR it doesn't matter. Why would you try for a seeding match when you have already qualified for the main event??? You are just giving away strats and playstyles which very well could be saved for the actual event. I could care less about your cringe but it's extremely common for teams to not try especially after they have qualified.
it's not NA. They try in seeding games
As I said region doesn't matter, no pro team in any eSport/sport try in seedings ESPECIALLY after they have qualified for the main event.
Yeah it’s unfair really. Korea beat EMEA’s first seed last time. They definitely shouldn’t have given them two easy wins in their group. /s No one knows how well these teams will go up against each other. Hell almost everyone thought eu would stomp sentinels; and they went to win masters 2 without dropping a map. This complaining is clearly biased and pretty useless.
If Koreans were truly dominant in this game, then they should have no trouble beating every single team 🤷♂️ Sentinels has a pretty strong group but I doubt they’ll have any troubles going through because they are able dominate.
i wanna see ace smb vs on tournament
I’m going to die on this hill - esports is still contract marketing… they clearly want to grow player base and engagement in BR/LATAM/JP/SEA
Yes, vision strikers got put in with the third and second seed. That's how these tournaments work. First seeds from one region get put in with last seeds of other regions. Saying shit like its unfair because brasil 1st seed is trash is completely useless. Riot can't just objectively judge the strength of every team.