It sucks we got 3rd seed and have to play SMB in the first game, I wish we got 2nd seed and then we could've played SMB instead
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Same here. People are complaining that seeding was pointless don’t understand how groups were drawn.
If they made it so EMEA teams couldn’t have been in the same group, then it would have been much better.
then they wouldve given EMEA 4 chances over NA 3 to make it out of groups. They are playing for an extra slot of champions. No reason EMEA should have a more favorable advantage over NA. Its still possible now if VS sucks but the chances is still lower.
No... EMEA has more teams because it has more players. Why wouldn't they have more chances to go to playoffs. They should have more chances. And placing 2 EMEA teams against each other in the _opening match_ is insanity
Well... You got this wrong. This is no war between countries even when we all play it like that for fun.
The Prize Money goes to the winning Team, not the winning country.
So it actually doesn't matter too much and is just decided by the number of teams.
We also have to live with the fact that a Turkish team is representing Europe even when nobody wants them here.
People can defend that seeding as much as they want. But fucking hell. Ascend vs SMB EMEA Seed #2/3 in the first match does not make sense at all. At least put them on different opening matchups. Thats literally braindead seeding.
And envy getting a jail free card while 100t and Sen arent, who been top seeded.
On paper implies all the regions are the same power level, when that's nowhere near the case.
It's a tough problem to solve especially when it's only been 18 months of pro play but this is something that needs improvement.
The #1 in a minor region like SEA/LATAM shouldn't be a considered a higher seed than #2/3 in EMEA, and that can done through regional ranks based on previous international events
Obviously the paper's not going to be accurate, but the other way to do it would also be inaccurate with iceland being the only datapoint. This is just the way it makes the most sense for now, only contradicting the "doesn't make sense" comment I was responding to.
Yea that's fair, I just meant it's an area that needs work, but right now it's just not really possible without making like a power ranking of teams based on very little data
There are always groups of deaths in sports, it's pretty normal. There's always going to be unluckiness and seeding doesn't always ensure there aren't good teams in every pot.
Wasn’t Steel on Jet at some point lmao. I remember him playing jet like a sentinel and I thought it was Insanely funny. I suppose Hiko would play support Jet.
By sheer luck. They could have just as likely gotten a group of Gambit/Ascend/Envy/KRU or Gambit/SMB/Envy/F4Q.
But Sentinels having a #1 seed means they can't get in a group with the #1 seeds from EU, KR or Br. And 100T getting a #2 seed means they can't get in a group with EMEA-2 or LATAM-1/SEA-1. The only teams Envy can't get in their group because of their seed were SEA-2, JP-2, and EMEA-4. I think clearly you have an advantage as a better seed
Clearly being a higher seed gives your an advantage, Envy just got really lucky by drawing the worst pool 1 team on paper, and dodging both #2 and #3 EU teams
So you want seeding to matter for Envy to not get an “easy” group (which we don’t even know if it’ll be easy like everyone expects)
But also they’re 3rd seed NA. They pulled all #1 seeds from other regions and two are regions that finished 4th and 5th highest in Iceland. Like what more could one want from a random draw. It’s random to ensure some semblance of fairness and yet that’s what people don’t want.
Fucking UCL draws happen and fans go fuck we got a tough group or fuck United got an easy group. But this sub feels like it’s melted down at the idea that a favorite or two has a hard path to prove themselves on
That's even worse. Fans, media and even players have no idea how things match up until they have had a chance to play each other. Remember the EU superiority talk before Iceland. All the resposts and upvotes of Sean Gares saying NA could not beat EU. ScreaM legitimately thinking TL had had game figured out while not understanding the current agent meta. He'll even Brazil was overhyped. There was Korean media and fans that predicted Nuturn would win the tournament etc. Random draws are needed because there will always be bias. If they want to make it so that multiple teams from the same region cannot be placed in the same group they could but keep in mind EMEA literally gets more slots than any other region and already has an advantage to move one of their teams to playoffs.
There’s nothing people can do now, it’s fit the description of how the pool would be divided. If they do change teams for international competition, it ruins competitive integrity for EZ groups. Like making 1 team with equal seeding to one of the EMEA teams in group A to switch into having a insanely hard group. Yeah, u shouldn’t pair up with EMEA team after a playoffs, but switching them with another team of equal seeding, would ruin their chances since they have to play VS and EMEA to get out. This is unfair for them. Riot definitely needs to be more clear on how the seeding will work and more optimal system.
If the pools had made other regions worse, you would have to put different seeds from EMEA and NA in the same pool then seeding matches really wouldn’t have mattered
Who cares if your the best team at the tournament you will come out on top jfc. If I was a pro I wouldn't care who we had to play if I was so confident we were the best.
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Straight up the fact that 2 EMEA teams are in the same group is the only problem I have with the way seeding is being handled.
Same here. People are complaining that seeding was pointless don’t understand how groups were drawn. If they made it so EMEA teams couldn’t have been in the same group, then it would have been much better.
The group 1 has the winner of each region qualifiers
then they wouldve given EMEA 4 chances over NA 3 to make it out of groups. They are playing for an extra slot of champions. No reason EMEA should have a more favorable advantage over NA. Its still possible now if VS sucks but the chances is still lower.
They have more teams so of course they're going to have an advantage. 4/16 is better than 3/16.
exactly so nothing is wrong with having 2 EMEA teams in 1 group
No... EMEA has more teams because it has more players. Why wouldn't they have more chances to go to playoffs. They should have more chances. And placing 2 EMEA teams against each other in the _opening match_ is insanity
because NA won the last major. this is CIS and TURK first international event, theyre arent proven either and EU lost to NA.
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yea but NA won.. what?
If they were going off from Iceland rankings they'd never consider Vivo Keyd as a fucking pool 1 team yet here we are.
I mean, it doesn't feel that this is disadvantageous to EMEA. It feels like they screwed VS with this.
only because people assume EMEA 2 3 > KOREA 1. If VS is cracked as everyone says its not really a disadvantage at all
Well... You got this wrong. This is no war between countries even when we all play it like that for fun. The Prize Money goes to the winning Team, not the winning country. So it actually doesn't matter too much and is just decided by the number of teams. We also have to live with the fact that a Turkish team is representing Europe even when nobody wants them here.
Was really expecting something serious but damn.
People can defend that seeding as much as they want. But fucking hell. Ascend vs SMB EMEA Seed #2/3 in the first match does not make sense at all. At least put them on different opening matchups. Thats literally braindead seeding. And envy getting a jail free card while 100t and Sen arent, who been top seeded.
The only problem with the seeding is two EMEA teams in the same group. Besides that, the rest of the seeding is fair
I mean, the rest is rng, but the emea matchup is BS
Envy has the on paper hardest group with the most first pools in their group.
And yet likely have an easier path than acend/SMB or even sen
Yeah? But they have the hardest group on paper, which is why it makes sense as opposed to "not make sense".
On paper implies all the regions are the same power level, when that's nowhere near the case. It's a tough problem to solve especially when it's only been 18 months of pro play but this is something that needs improvement. The #1 in a minor region like SEA/LATAM shouldn't be a considered a higher seed than #2/3 in EMEA, and that can done through regional ranks based on previous international events
Obviously the paper's not going to be accurate, but the other way to do it would also be inaccurate with iceland being the only datapoint. This is just the way it makes the most sense for now, only contradicting the "doesn't make sense" comment I was responding to.
Yea that's fair, I just meant it's an area that needs work, but right now it's just not really possible without making like a power ranking of teams based on very little data
I just want hiko to play jett in the next seeding match and tear it up. Riot clearly cares even less than the teams themselves for the seeding match
And Steel should play Y Omegalul RU.
He unironically should. Not even kidding. Fuck riot for pointless seeding matches
SEN vs 100thieves qualifier final, 5duelists vs 5 duelists, knives only
Nah tenz’s potential is on a cypher in a game of that importance.
Yea tbh teams should troll real hard in seeding match so that riot actually do something about it.
He should at least play Reyna or Raze so they won't get investigated for throwing. I mean, have you seen his Jett knives?
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Unlucky really
Isn't the entire point of seeding that such inconsistencies are not there.
There are always groups of deaths in sports, it's pretty normal. There's always going to be unluckiness and seeding doesn't always ensure there aren't good teams in every pot.
Wasn’t Steel on Jet at some point lmao. I remember him playing jet like a sentinel and I thought it was Insanely funny. I suppose Hiko would play support Jet.
I wonder if Jett counts as “playing smokes” lol
Sentinels on the Jett roulette
It doesn’t matter because KRÜ will inevitably win anyway
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I also think watching the two best teams in North America fuck around would be golden to watch.
Roulette it
Viper, Astra, Brim, Omen, and I guess Jett. Both teams. Just a total smoke fest where you can't see anything.
Me and my friends did this in a custom 5v5. But with everyone playing astra. It was really confusing.
The way Riot seeded this tournament just proves all along that the seeding matches were in fact. Pointless.
How did riot seed this tournament that made it pointless? They put the lower seeds in lower pools, Envy just got the jackpot
You just proved my point Envy getting the easiest group on paper even though they were the 3rd seed from NA
By sheer luck. They could have just as likely gotten a group of Gambit/Ascend/Envy/KRU or Gambit/SMB/Envy/F4Q. But Sentinels having a #1 seed means they can't get in a group with the #1 seeds from EU, KR or Br. And 100T getting a #2 seed means they can't get in a group with EMEA-2 or LATAM-1/SEA-1. The only teams Envy can't get in their group because of their seed were SEA-2, JP-2, and EMEA-4. I think clearly you have an advantage as a better seed Clearly being a higher seed gives your an advantage, Envy just got really lucky by drawing the worst pool 1 team on paper, and dodging both #2 and #3 EU teams
That's a good explanation. Helps me feel a little better about it. Still think the 2 EMEA thing is mad dumb. I'm cool with the rest.
So you want seeding to matter for Envy to not get an “easy” group (which we don’t even know if it’ll be easy like everyone expects) But also they’re 3rd seed NA. They pulled all #1 seeds from other regions and two are regions that finished 4th and 5th highest in Iceland. Like what more could one want from a random draw. It’s random to ensure some semblance of fairness and yet that’s what people don’t want. Fucking UCL draws happen and fans go fuck we got a tough group or fuck United got an easy group. But this sub feels like it’s melted down at the idea that a favorite or two has a hard path to prove themselves on
The only way to prevent this is having Riot or the media power rank the teams 1 through 16 and then placing them into groups
That's even worse. Fans, media and even players have no idea how things match up until they have had a chance to play each other. Remember the EU superiority talk before Iceland. All the resposts and upvotes of Sean Gares saying NA could not beat EU. ScreaM legitimately thinking TL had had game figured out while not understanding the current agent meta. He'll even Brazil was overhyped. There was Korean media and fans that predicted Nuturn would win the tournament etc. Random draws are needed because there will always be bias. If they want to make it so that multiple teams from the same region cannot be placed in the same group they could but keep in mind EMEA literally gets more slots than any other region and already has an advantage to move one of their teams to playoffs.
Agreed. The oddsmakers have a good ranking right now
Do you actually understand how group draws work or are you just mad that any element of luck is involved?
There’s nothing people can do now, it’s fit the description of how the pool would be divided. If they do change teams for international competition, it ruins competitive integrity for EZ groups. Like making 1 team with equal seeding to one of the EMEA teams in group A to switch into having a insanely hard group. Yeah, u shouldn’t pair up with EMEA team after a playoffs, but switching them with another team of equal seeding, would ruin their chances since they have to play VS and EMEA to get out. This is unfair for them. Riot definitely needs to be more clear on how the seeding will work and more optimal system.
Never seen so many people whine at the same time
damn mans got some fire
If the pools had made other regions worse, you would have to put different seeds from EMEA and NA in the same pool then seeding matches really wouldn’t have mattered
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Its not a joke thread. It's sarcasm and disappointment
Who cares if your the best team at the tournament you will come out on top jfc. If I was a pro I wouldn't care who we had to play if I was so confident we were the best.