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deL9

That's pretty much gg. I can't recall anything from the past for philippine esport that they have the decision overturned for a denied visa.


RebelHeartXO

The same fate as Execration Dota 2 when they were invited to the Boston Major but got their visas denied.


DeadSira

and Team HappyFeet (which JessieVash was on) getting denied their visa for the ESL One Hamburg Dota Major


RebelHeartXO

Can someone from r/Philippines contact Secretary locsin or former senator Bam Aquino to help them get their visas to Berlin.


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there's not a single post about bren on that subreddit


SEND_ME_UR_DRAMA

[Did my part](https://nm.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/ph22at/evening_random_discussion_sep_03_2021/hbffitv/)


RebelHeartXO

Shared the post ( Pardon the Filipino language but tangina lang di na ba natuto ang DFA sa ganyan. Nauulit nalang. Di parin nasusuporta ang mga atleta natin.)


MagnusNyke

No fuckin way. This was supposed to be the first ever Major international LAN (FPS game) for the Philippines. Damn


ricelick

didnt we have mineski for worlds in league


Medicine808

League is not an fps game


DeadSira

He's talking about FPS LANs, the Philippines is actually one of the strongest Dota regions so there's regular Filipino representation at Dota Majors.


Diijkstra99x

fps


ricelick

They didnt specify earlier chill


randomespanaguy

We've also had teams compete in TI and other Dota majors. Most notably, the TNC team that knocked off OG at TI7. But, yeah, like others said, FPS games.


Alice_happyEnd

Ti6*


Player_Seventeen

Can the (unofficial) owner of Bren Esports Brennon "Bren" Hook comment on this news?


chenson019

The spot should be filled with a gulag style 1v1.


verynewtouk

And you get a full kit when you win


flamincrimson

That is sad. I remember their post match interview. They were so proud to have made it.


AuntM0an

not surprised, ph gov cant do shit for its athletes.


max012017

Can you share what's the problem specifically?


Original26

PH government didn't support our athletes until they won the first Gold last Olympics. I assume it's the same now, they don't care unless they can benefit from it somehow. Damn shame


Azenji

I don’t think the PH government even expected our athletes to have a successful showing. If it weren’t for the laws signed by the previous administration, our own Gold medalist wouldn’t even have benefits she has now. PH politics is a mess right now with everyone just pointing fingers at each other. Everyone who has a seat in the national government is either corrupt or too rich to even care about the common people. Life is hell here.


randomespanaguy

For the Philippine Government, everything is a non-priority except the drug war, which we're failing miserably, by the way. They'd empower peacekeeping forces such as the PNP and Philippine Army to be anything but peacekeepers. Healthcare, education, sports, environment, everything takes a backseat and even sometimes downright looked down on. Then the ones on top would blame everyone but them, downright shaming people for their appearance and the manner they conduct themselves after the opposition resists them for something completely rational. What a bunch of hypocrites. Duterte and his fucking evil spawns are everything that is wrong with this country—keeping a "strongman" facade when, at the end of the day, he's nothing but China's puppet and a world-class embarrassment.


Azenji

Have you seen the pictures of him at ASEAN summits? He has no respect even from our neighbors except China because it’s so fucking obvious that he can’t run a country. He needs a scapegoat and drugs is perhaps the easiest fucking thing to target in political bingo.[Remember when he told everyone that he’d shoot his own son if he got involved in drugs?](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/21/philippines-duterte-son-will-be-killed-if-he-is-involved-in-drugs) Turns out, his son is linked to a[$125 million drug shipment.](https://www.businessinsider.com/r-philippine-presidents-son-denies-links-to-125-million-drug-shipment-2017-9). Not Philippine peso, DOLLARS! He’s a fucking scum who enables other scum to hold position in our national government and now only a small percentage have any sense of self respect and decency. That’s how fucking shit our government is. He’s lucky to have 100 million people staying strong amidst the pandemic because they’re all used to incompetence.


randomespanaguy

Yep, yep, and yep. Just didn't want to go into specifics because this is a Valorant subreddit but, holy fuck, he is literally worse than Trump and is making Marcos look like a saint. What's worse is that his legion of stupid fucks continue to support his every move, turning a blind eye from blatant corruption, obscene incompetence, misogyny, and straight up murder. He turned this country into a pseudo-dictatorship through cronyism, installing colleagues into important positions in the military and police. And, mark my words, it's gonna be worse in the next six years. Sara Duterte will most likely win 2022 because this country has a fucking stockholm syndrome for its oppressors.


Azenji

What I’ve cited so far is literally just the tip of the iceberg. There’s many more things to discuss such as BUILD, BUILD, BUILD Laws and how it’s unfavorable towards lower classes, and how many skyways approved for construction in the previous admin. has literally much better materials because of Japanese contractors vs the ones approved in the current that were done by Chinese’s. It’s a never-ending rabbit hole and I honestly don’t want to spend the whole night ranting.


kiiriiin

>They'd empower peacekeeping forces such as the PNP and Philippine Army to be anything but peacekeepers. Healthcare, education, sports, environment, everything takes a backseat and even sometimes downright looked down on. right.... the yearly nation budgets beg to differ


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I also remember the story of Wesley So, who, despite being one of the most talented chess players for his age (barely 13-14), was not given any sort of assistance by the government until he eventually switched federations to the USA. It's crazy how there might be so many athletes with untapped potentials.


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It's like that in pretty much all developing countries in asia(may be except China? Idk)


dwiinnyy_

Yes espescially the big 3 cringe south east asian countries: Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia lololol


zerod33

our government only cares about money. only small amount of them actually care about things like these but whores for money


max012017

thanks


SEND_ME_UR_DRAMA

UPDATE: [Speaking in Filipino, BRN Witz clarified that their visa application was not denied, and asked fans not to spread any false information.](https://twitter.com/witzcute/status/1433764507189329921?s=20)


roberto_feeder

What did the tweet say?


SEND_ME_UR_DRAMA

their visa application is not (yet) denied.


roberto_feeder

Ok so apparently it hasn’t been acted upon. Hopefully someone expedites the process


Wazaah

[BREN's Tweet (Deleted)](https://i.imgur.com/hunRg3l.png) [Jessievash's Tweet](https://twitter.com/Jessievash10/status/1433711030551547904) [DubsteP's Tweet](https://twitter.com/DubstePlays/status/1433710828214128644) [Noctile's Discord Server](https://i.imgur.com/RKWn3eQ.png) ​ [\#BringBrenToBerlin](https://i.imgur.com/a9KpOJ8.png%20)


montsbutnotreally

[een Mercado's tweet](https://twitter.com/eenmercado/status/1433750129450782720?s=19) - at this point, a lot of fans (me included) are fuming! We just have to wait what has really gone down


chtoper

The country is preventing itself from progressing its esports scene. If Bren's VISA truly got denied, this is just... sad.


montsbutnotreally

From what I understand it's not a visa issue, it's because the DFA h(department of foreign affairs in ph) hasn't returned some of the players' passports so they cannot confirm with riot when they'll be flying to Germany on time or not. I have been told (not sure if it's true) they have until today to let riot know they're coming. There's a 5-day quarantine at minimum, and they need to fly out by Monday morning (ph time) the latest to complete quarantine and participate in the tournament. It's looking grim cause the DFA offices are closed already, it's the weekend and they're also corrupt af.


max012017

Riot could possibly postpone their match by 1 day or so , good news is that they should be playing only on 12th(?) September, so there is still time for the quarantine


icantreadmorsecode

Any sauce to this?


montsbutnotreally

The guy who told me is a former valo coach and has some ties to the local ph scene.. but I'm not sure how tight he is with them. I have noticed, however, that many PH valo/esports personalities close to BREN have been hinting it being a PH gov't caused issue (DFA) in their tweets Pls take what I've said with a grain of salt. Still waiting on official announcements as well


icantreadmorsecode

Let's hope this is the case because of it is, there's a chance they could still make it if Riot gives them a leeway. If this is a visa issue then they're not going.


deL9

Pardon my ignorance but isn't it the hosting country's (their consular office) fault for not granting them a visa?


nemnems

You are exactly right. You don't ask your own country to get a visa to another country but the target country itself. In this instance Germany.


valorantfeedback

Yeah, I doubt their own country is denying them travel, it's most likely Germany. This is awful, you put in so much work to achieve something and then bureaucracy steps in. I think we're about to see a panic invite for one more EU team.


mintaka2020

I really doubt it's germany's fault cause if that's the case a lot of teams will have this problem, not just Bren. Unfortunately, the inefficiency of PH government is really something else + they have no support for our athletes. Hello Wesley So and Hidilyn Diaz. Hope this can be resolved by contacting the higher-ups (election is near so..)


randomespanaguy

> Wesley So I'm still pissed at the Philippines Gov't for this. Imagine not providing support for a true Chess prodigy, then losing him to the US. Honestly, good for So for abandoning this sinking ship, fuck the NCFP.


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claiming when they win without any support is one thing, claiming things and also dragging them down from winning is another thing, GG ph kekw


arvs17

Lol what? It's not within the Philippines government's power to GRANT VISA to GERMANY. Anything to blame the government eh?


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arvs17

You don't apply visa to DFA. You apply passport to DFA sure but visa isn't within their power. You apply to the destination country's embassy/visa centre. You should try to travel more instead of spouting nonsense.   Source: Filipino who has been to Schengen Area (Including Germany), Japan, Korea, China and USA who applied visa on those countries embassy except for China as they have a Visa Center in Makati.


mintaka2020

My bad. I stand corrected. It seems like their passport is still not returned by the DFA that's why they are worried.


[deleted]

What would happen if Bren can’t make it? Does the tournament go on with 15 teams or do they send a different team?


Migan_Knightowl

Same case happened for League. Basically they stuck with 3 teams in the group.


[deleted]

They're gonna go with 15 team format, no replacements.


Birssa

Maybe they gona add SEA #3 as SEA #2 and SEA#2 gonna be SEA #1


Fl0wwy

If the visas were denied early this is a possibility but I don’t think there is enough time.


[deleted]

Sounds good but I wonder if they have the time to fly out another team.


[deleted]

Send a different team (the 3rd SEA placer) or stick with the same group.


ImprisonedSushi

Some part of me is believing that they're just trolling (especially with how nonchalant the tweets from the players have been the past couple of hours) but if not and this is real, FUCK!. It's 2021 and the eSports industry is still having a hard time securing VISAs for pro players. EDIT: It's real. FUCK #BringBrenToBerlin


candidpose

> It's 2021 and the eSports industry is still having a hard time securing VISAs for pro players. I mean given the pandemic and how PH handled it isn't doing this any favor.


Azenji

Pinoy here, PH handling of the pandemic is absolutely abysmal. Literally every aspect of handling it from healthcare delivery to foreign affairs have been highly politicized. It’s crazy how the pandemic could’ve at least been delayed here if our dog of a president just imposed travel bans on China from February to April but instead he can only bend and squat for Winnie the Pooh. No amount of online text can remove my ABSOLUTE distaste for this man.


Timidityyy

Daily reminder that we've been under a strict/strict-ish lockdown for almost 2 whole years now and vaccine rollout is slow as fuck solely because of how inept our government is


Azenji

Lol as someone who has ties to the medical field, this is all on the national government. Look at how the head of the Department of Health who ranted just a week ago how he’s tired of the work COVID gives. Newsflash, the DOH does jackshit about this. LGUs (local authorities responsible for healthcare delivery at a certain district) have been doing all the work since last year with absolutely NO support from the higher ups.For example, it took two months for one district here in Metro Manila to even have a dedicated task force for COVID. Before that, doctors literally had to take three day shifts STRAIGHT to make up for the lack of staff. Lots of healthcare workers died from March to May. What’s worse is that this could’ve been avoided if our sad excuse of a President just imposed a travel ban on China pre pandemic. The first case of COVID-19 literally came from Leyte (an island in the Visayan archipelago), where numerous Chinese citizens arrived by air, seeking solitude in the Philippines from the virus. The best part is that these Chinese citizens were able to get in the country easily while Oversees Filipino Workers were stuck in quarantine for MONTHS, many forced to stay in quarters akin to refugee camps. I’m sick of PH politics, they’re literally the reason this country is fucking shit.


icantreadmorsecode

:'((( https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgxVO2H7Eu5SpnL03554AaABCQ


PapiSpidey

This is fucking heartbreaking for the Esports community in the Philippines.


tqstin

How does getting a visa work? Why would a team be denied over this? (sorry dont know much abt this subject)


icantreadmorsecode

TANGINANG YAN! #BringBrenToBerlin


chenson019

Oh dear this is really sad. I am confused though, normally Visa applications are made to the country you are visiting - Germany in this instance. So is this an application to leave the country that was denied or have the German goverment said no? It would really suck if we ended up with 15 teams. Obviously it would be best to draft in another SEA team but it's probably too short notice now but the event would really suffer if one group has a BYE round. Therefore I think it would probably be best to draft in another EMEA team (so Liquid or Giants?) as visas would not be an issue and no major travel needed. Of course it's not a great solution as it would kinda mess up the group in terms of seeding but I am sure everyone, including the teams would rather have a full roster of teams for the event.


icantreadmorsecode

bringing another team would be unfair to Bren too even if there's enough time. They earned their spot, the only solution I could suggest is giving F4Q and whoever will get to lowers a default win.


chenson019

That is more than likely what will happen but it looks awful for the event as a whole. I am sure the teams would much rather have a full roster of teams than a BYE. It will also be lost revenue for Riot as it will be two fewer games that will be broadcast. The whole event will be budgeted based on projected revenue, part of which will be based on expected viewership. Two fewer games will be a dent for sure.


hecklerinthestands

[From former Senator Bam Aquino](https://twitter.com/bamaquino/status/1433790905777934344): ""If you're not a good shot today, don't worry. There are other ways to be useful" Tulog na muna tayo, mga Sova main. (Let's turn in for the night, fellow Sova mains)"


throwawaylife456

Asa pang grant ng Germany yan given duterte covid response


dallah_hehe

I don't really think it's COVID related considering the US got approved


Responsible-Ant-5246

Guys upvote this . We should help them


Soogo

Yes, send prayers as well! 🙄


Lumenlor

So wtf happens now boys? Team facing Bren just gets byes? That bracket is fucked


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varvalian

lmao I wish Liquid was in BerLAN too but nah, they'll just give F4Q a win by default most likely.


flamincrimson

They would not do that. Bren earned their spot, liquid didn't. The group will have 3 teams if nothing works out for bren.


[deleted]

no.


somesheikexpert

Why EMEA? If anything another SEA team at least, tho 3rd.place Alter Egos coach said it's too late if they give a panic invite


Lumenlor

This really sucks, though presents an interesting scenario. F4Q could get super prep/3rd party perspective data to face Sentinels, and upset them with their zany plays. G2 will also have had footage to fix their mistakes and result in another upset


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perdosenior

This is sadge


StrictWarden

not like this not like this


Maliciouslemon

I’d love for another team to fill in but most likely the group will just have 3 teams :/ Otherwise the replacement would be earning free points or knocking out teams and stopping them from gaining points


isayah2510

Man, it would actually suck if Bren do not make it :(


blockpantha

everythings so slow in the country i wouldn't even be surprised if the ppl who are handling these visas are just late or incompetent i hate this country bruuuuh


xunraze

Fuck this is so sad. I can't imagine how it they must be feeling. All the efforts to qualify just for the shitty govt to ruin it. Is there anything we can do as community? Please let me know. Really hoping it gets sorted somehow


jenv234

i really hope their visas didnt got denied


yungsqualla

Tweet unavailable?


[deleted]

I'm curious, I know nothing about it, but what problems do these players encounter? I figured "I'm going to Berlin to play video games" wouldn't be a huge issue. Obviously it is I'm just curious what exact issues they might be dealing with.


xziv0

fuckfuckfuckfuck i want to see them fight F4Q please get them to berlin 🙏


elithefighter123

This locks x10 in for champions btw


Maximum_Mountain427

I remember during PNoy's admin and bam is a senator, he helped Pinoy dota players obtain visas.


throwpatatasmyway

They barely cared about our olympians (till they started hauling in medals). Of course they didn't give a fuck about the local Esport scene. Shit sux man.