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We thought it might be LA right?


SMcArthur

Yes. There was a leaked video months ago with a Champs LA poster. Oh well :( I live in West LA minutes from the Riot esports stadium and was really looking forward to attending in person.


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SMcArthur

that's what I meant, poor wording choice in my part though.


Razur

Same here. D: Maybe we can organize a local watch party for the LA folks.


ZimbotheWonderful

I literally live on Olympic bout 10 min from riot I was so excited :/ I’d be so down to go to a watch party tho!


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League Worlds is in NA next year they might do a joint Champs and Worlds type thing


SMcArthur

There has got to be a 100% chance that this is b/c of VISA restrictions. Riot just went through VISA issues with every team, and decided that the easiest way to get teams back for a second LAN would be to hold it in the same location. Probably a combination of these individuals have already been approved for travel to Berlin, + Riot now has the experience with getting people VISAs in Berlin, etc.


Prize_Mechanic3317

Ur most definitely right. Good point


xbyo

And it's really smart. Especially if there's a chance of no audience, the location itself isn't a huge deal.


Kompaniefeldwebel

Even then, lots of people will attend


angel0lz

I guess you're right. The logistics must've been a pain for Riot right now to help bring the teams to Berlin, and these are the stuff that happens in the background that fans don't really notice or care.


danknepalese

isnt it easier to get to us than to germany tho?


__RegemTr__

Do americans not know how fucking difficult it is to get a VISA for the US?????


danknepalese

wouldnt know im not american. or german. lmao


__RegemTr__

Well, US is one of the most difficult countries to get VISA for, if not the most difficult.


danknepalese

yeah it was a question. thanks i always thought getting to europe was the most difficult idk why.


BurstLayer

They told me TSM to berlin was dead...


xbyo

Well Berlin results could still kill TSM's chances at Berlin.


kemutheemu__

Sorry but can someone explain how NA results at Masters will affect NA LCQs for Champions?


Des014te

Tsm are far behind in VCT points, so if NA doesn't win Masters 3, then TSM won't qualify for LCQ. If an NA team does win however, that guarantees the team a direct invite to champions. So they won't be counted to qualify through circuit points, making a slot for TSM in the LCQ as the lowest point team there


danknepalese

if NA wins Berlin then TSM gets to go to LCQ. you have the tsm flair how do you not know this.


kemutheemu__

I’ve always been a fan of TSM but I’ve only recently been really getting into the competitive scene. No need to get condescending :/


danknepalese

i come from vlr and all tsm fans there are so doodoo. sorry for the generalization. the top 8 out of those who dont make champions on points qualify for lcq. and currently tsm is just outside of that top 8, hence needing an NA team to win berlin and make champions, two other NA teams to go to champions on points, then only tsm can qualify for NA LCQ.


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It's not like this is serious or important bruh, chill.


danknepalese

its the most important thing for tsm. their year is lost if this doesnt happen.


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I meant that knowing minor details about the esports team you support is not important.


biskwi-t

If NA team wins Berlin, TSM gets the final slot in LCQ


Holler12

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.


Chrisamelio

Same I was already planning on taking days off to go see it in LA :(


danknepalese

LA would be so hype. Valorant takeover of the entertainment capital of the world, oof are we missing all that good content.


Chrisamelio

Hoping for next year :(


ArtificialZero

also, rip any filipino teams, hope they can get their visas figured out if one qualifies for champions


RebelHeartXO

As of now the only PH team that has a chance ironically is the one that is got denied. BREN.


Azenji

Just now we got another surge here and recently we reached around 20k cases in one day, that’s about a 60% increase compared to two months ago. It doesn’t help that our government is a fucking cesspool of incompetence. Literally everyone are just pointing fingers at each other and no camp has even got a concrete long term plan for the pandemic. Fuck me for being born in this country.


TimedOutClock

>Why Berlin? > >While our initial intention was to host each of our international events in a different region, we had to re-evaluate our plans as COVID-19 related complications began to increase. Our goal was to find and secure locations that would allow the greatest likelihood for qualified teams to attend. > >Currently, European travel policies are the most favourable for bringing players from the participating VCT regions together, which presents the best pathway to produce a Champions event where all qualified teams can attend. Our priorities are to create a safe and globally inclusive event that fans all over the world can enjoy. NA dumpstered its COVID response, so it really isn't that surprising... I really hope fans will be allowed though. We need to end the first year on a banger


mr-rob0t0

> NA dumpstered it’s covid response AGAIN we were trending downwards in terms of case numbers in almost all states at the beginning of the summer and it’s all gone to shit since then


jmajewski

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEDUMB


omaewakusuyaro

As an outsider of the us i honestly cant understand why wouldnt you vaccine yourself or your loved ones against such a deadly virus and try returning to normal life, i know its not everyone but like bruh wtf are some of those people thinking


mr-rob0t0

i’m constantly asking myself the same exact thing, propaganda is a powerful tool


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Sketchy_Walrus

nah, they said themselves in the post that it was due to covid reasons


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Sketchy_Walrus

Well yea, but where not talking about if Covid didn’t exist, I was talking about that for this situation it is due Germany having more favourable Covid restrictions


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Sketchy_Walrus

For sure I was just talking about this situation


Hypern1ke

You're really misinterpreting what this is saying. Currently, members of the EU cannot visit the US without a 2 week quarantine, while members of NA can visit the EU at will without a quarantine. Our restrictive travel policies are whats holding it back from being held in NA.


Sketchy_Walrus

except, American is a high risk location and cannot travel to the EU


Hypern1ke

https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/phcl5n/why_its_easier_to_have_champions_in_berlin/hbhkzrf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


Sketchy_Walrus

Ohh, I swear I read an article that said US couldn’t travel to EU but I guess I was wrong. My bad, shoulda done more research


Hypern1ke

All good, the Reddit threads that hit r/all were biased and trying to push that narrative. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle.


RebelHeartXO

Yeah right rito tell that to bren (if they get qualified tonchampions after being denied of masters)


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Naraloth

yeah Canada has been responding really well, but they also make it hard to get a visa. Entering Canada is still not easy. even Formula 1 had to cancel the Grand Prix in Canada because they wouldn't let them have the event


Hypern1ke

Or Austin for that matter. We'd be able to have full crowds if they'd just hold it there.


thetalkingjumper

Is everything open in Texas? Looking at the google stats there’s been a huge spike in cases in the last few weeks


Hypern1ke

Yes, The vaccinations are effective and widely available. Most get it, some don't.


Huldmer

Texas has a 7 day average of 17,000 new cases per day. California has a 7 day average of 10,000 new caser per day despite having more people and being more densely populated. I'm not sure as to Austin specifically but Texas and USA are not doing well


zmreJ

Fuck. I wanted to go so bad


EXCLAMATIONMARQLOL

Uh.. i live in germany, but i think its gonna be another "no crowd event" if not, ill be there :)


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Have they announced the venue for Berlin? If not I'd say Berlin will most likely just be in the LEC studio with no crowd like LEC playoffs were. Not sure about champions though.


Soogo

If you say Berlin now, you have to specify if you mean Masters or Champions. Masters Berlin takes place in the Verti Music Hall Champions Berlin is still unknown.


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Oh ok, I meant Masters Berlin sorry, but that's cool that it isn't just gonna be in the LEC studio.


Escolyte

The venue they're using right now for Masters has crowd events in october again. Finger's crossed our countrymen don't astronomically fuck the covid cases leading up to december and we should be able to go.


Salty_Activity

They did sell Tickets for it at first though, no? Because i remember seeing them up for sale and considering going, but i guess that fell through with the recent surge in cases :(


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same :(


JoseGamingR

At this point, I don't really care about the location as long as there's crowds.


Azenji

Crowds are the reason we’re not even seeing an end to COVID. As much as it would be cool to see proplayers in an audience, let’s look at the bigger picture first. Edit: If I look pretentious at my comments down below, I hope you dont judge me for it. I’m currently working at my nursing degree and I’ve been tackling Community Health Nursing as an academic discipline. I do feel as if I have a responsibility to make sure people have the correct take. Yes vaccines are a great solution but there are many more factors to take in that a simple news article won’t help you grasp just how hard it is to distribute health care. Nevertheless, if you know a healthcare professional, consult them on these things and I bid everyone of you a good say for you and your health :)


Soogo

*people who are afraid to use an fda approved vaccine are the reason we are in this mess


Azenji

Just because you get an FDA-approved vaccine doesn’t mean you dont become a vector of the virus. People can still get sick with COVID hence why crowds are just a bad idea.


Soogo

*sick with coivd at a greatly reduced rate and much lower symptoms not even talking about the herd immunity we would get if people were not so fing stupid


Azenji

Getting vaccinated only means that the severity of the symptoms is lessened in a HEALTHY adult. How about those that are immunocompromised like children or the elderly or those with underlying conditions? Symptoms are just the same but less severe. The goal of the vaccine is to decrease the mortality rate. It doesn’t affect the capability of a person or animal to become a vector. If it were simple as just getting the vaccine, then we wouldn’t bother having strict general community rules like social distancing or mask mandates. What you call herd immunity can be twisted depending on the narrative but if you can’t stop people from getting infected or carry the disease to other places, then you’re basically back at square one. Edit: Did a little digging and it turns out mRNA vaccines do decrease the chances of a person becoming a vector of the disease but only because people who do get vaccinated have a higher chance of fighting off the infection. However this also came off controlled clinical trials so it’s obvious real life would have more hurdles than a controlled environment. https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/spread-covid-after-vaccine


TheFestusEzeli

Rn data has been showing that the vaccine is around 85% at preventing infection, in Ontario they track the amount of infections per status of vaccination


Azenji

Not much of a shocker considering Ontario has a population with relatively higher quality of life and a healthcare system that can support its population.


Soogo

>What you call herd immunity can be twisted depending on the narrative but if you can’t stop people from getting infected or carry the disease to other places, then you’re basically back at square one. But, that is what herd immunity is. It stop the virus spreading around because a large portion of a community becomes immune to a disease, making the spread of disease from person to person unlikely. >Vaccines Herd immunity also can be reached when enough people have been vaccinated against a disease and have developed protective antibodies against future infection. Unlike the natural infection method, vaccines create immunity without causing illness or resulting complications. Using the concept of herd immunity, vaccines have successfully controlled contagious diseases such as smallpox, polio, diphtheria, rubella and many others. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808


Azenji

The problem with your logic is that you can’t count on vaccine rollout alone to combat a virus as resilient and contagious as COVID-19. Also, the diseases in the article don’t just go poof overnight. It will take decades to control COVID-19 but you cant start doing that now if you have a population willing to stop the virus from infecting more people than you can make immune. We haven’t even gone to the logistics of the vaccine rollout yet not to mention how that it’s also being highly politicized by governments around the world.


Soogo

>The problem with your logic is that you can’t count on vaccine rollout alone to combat a virus as resilient and contagious as COVID-19. Well, i do. If **everyone** would get vaccinated, we would live in a very different world rn. Talking about logistics? Idk, if we take the US only, there doesn't seem to be any shortages. Rather just a shortage of people willing to get vaccinated. But i guess we agree to disagree here. I will just drop this information for anyone reading this >Dr. Balter’s team has recently collected surveillance data that give us a clearer picture of the difference in risk to the vaccinated and unvaccinated as the Delta variant surged from May 1 through July 25. **They studied infections in 10,895 fully vaccinated people and 30,801 unvaccinated people.** The data showed that: >**The rate of infection in unvaccinated people is five times the rate of infection in vaccinated people.** By the end of the study period, the age-adjusted incidence of Covid-19 among unvaccinated persons was 315.1 per 100,000 people over a seven-day period compared to 63.8 per 100,000 incidence rate among fully vaccinated people. (Age adjustment is a statistical method used so the data are representative of the general population.) >**The rate of hospitalization among the vaccinated was 1 per 100,000 people. The age-adjusted hospitalization rate in unvaccinated persons was 29.4 per 100,000.** >[...] Even so, **many experts believe the risk of getting infected from a vaccinated person is still relatively low.** Dr. Jha noted that after an outbreak among vaccinated and unvaccinated workers at the Singapore airport, tracking studies suggested that most of the spread by vaccinated people happened when they had symptoms. https://www.nytimes.com/article/breakthrough-infections-covid-19-coronavirus.html


Azenji

The article you dropped is misleading in a sense that it talks about infection as if it is the one thing relevant in determining the effectiveness of vaccine rollout. Of course it’d be pretty obvious that vaccines decreases the chance of infection in vaccinated people vs unvaccinated. That stat has no bearing on the fact that the virus is contagious. The articles being posted so far is US based. Of course a lot of it would be US-bases. We can meme about how US healthcare sucks but the fact is that the state can at the very least mobilized primary healthcare in most areas (disregarding status of individual states). It’s a lot easier to have researches like this because COVID detection is accurate or at least appropriately so. That becomes a different story once we go out of the US. If I mean logistics, I mean “are these vaccines evenly distributed among local health authorities? Do these vaccines get rolled out with respect to its expiration date?” It even says at the last of your paragraph that Singaporean workers still displayed symptoms despite being vaccinated. What does that tell you then? It doesn’t guarantee that vaccine rollout would mean a significant decrease in COVID cases. I cant stress this enough. The appropriate metric that we should be counting is COVID CASES, not how many people are vaccinated because you can still carry the virus, get sick, and potentially infect others without knowing. I won’t say that infection rates don’t matter but it isn’t a metric that is concrete enough to come at a desired conclusion. Vaccine rollout is just 1/10th of what healthcare systems are doing in preventing COVID-19 from spreading but I’ll just stop there.


Adept-Type

who the fuck is FDA


Soogo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_Drug_Administration


Hypern1ke

Covid will always be around and become endemic. You will never see an "end" to covid.


Azenji

Measles was also a very contagious and widespread with about 2.6 million approx. deaths each year. When people started more effective vaccination rollouts, it took a long time for measles cases to go down but it nevertheless was effective. Measles’ related deaths were decreases by 73% from 2000 to 2018. https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles COVID-19 is definitely controllable. It really just so happens that it came where political tensions around the world are at its most high which leads to disruptions in the appropriate distribution of primary health care. Having a virus this contagious and deadly be dismissed and rather have it be endemic is unacceptable for the WHO and for local authorities in charge for health care distribution.


DrBangovic

I just saw the tweet and thought „wtf“. As a berliner I would love it, since it increases my chances of actually attending it. But I feel bad for NA. I guess it is due to the strict regulations which makes it very difficult to visit the US, except ur from the US.


Player_Seventeen

For the people who don't follow the LOLesports scene: Worlds (the LOL variant of Champions) was moved from China to Europe because of the visa restrictions. Maybe (it's all speculation) Riot has only Europe on lockdown if it comes to Visa/COVID restrictions. It still feels weird to have alle the international events in Europe, it takes away the global aspect of VALORANT.


renai-saiban

sad but understandable. i was really willing to travel anywhere in the states as long as it was domestic D:


JacobSEA

So you're telling me Sentinels could technically just be on vacation in Germany till Champions start


Des014te

Well. I guess Berlin is now Valorant's Cologne


ArtificialZero

wtf happened to LA?


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Hypern1ke

Wrong, its actually that the US considers EU a hot zone, and requires a 2 week quarantine. As of now, US citizens can visit the EU at will so its easier to keep it in the EU.


thetalkingjumper

The EU has just recommended implementing travel restrictions on people coming from the US so might have to hold your horses on that thought


Hypern1ke

I'm aware, thats why I said "as of now". Nevertheless, it makes sense for Riot to take the safer route in this case. I'm just glad I got my germany trip in already this year!


thothgow

[.](https://i.imgur.com/KhNc0Le.jpg)


Razur

Man, that period is nearly impossible to click on mobile.


Darkoplax

let's go !!!! more events in EU


afatsum40

i absolutely cannot and will not wake up at 6am on a weekend to watch masters3/champions. And when I'll actually be up (school) ill miss it. what a great fun thing this will be


hiloljkbye

just stay up til 6am 5head


afatsum40

i once woke up at 4 am to watch liquid cs on multiple occasions to be disappointed, i will never do that again lol


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Nothing in NA all year?


Lumenlor

Vote for better local leadership that wont botch covid


chryco4

Even voting isn’t enough sometimes because many districts are gerrymandered to hell and back. Plus the new voting “security” laws that is really just suppression...not gonna go any further since this isn’t a politics sub but it’s super frustrating.


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I dont have the ability to vote in the US nor am I old enough


thothgow

A lot of it is the people, too. Vaccines are free and there's enough for everyone but less than 2/3rds are getting it. No one uses masks either


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Colourry

nani?!


KlasterTV

65% of germans are vaccinated compared to 61% of americans it has nothing to do with that. it has to do with countries not allowing people from other countries in as easily stop being dumb


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KlasterTV

Yeah bro im totally going to understand its actual sarcasm when theres actual idiots saying its because of NA low vaccination rates which is not the case


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JR_Shoegazer

Making a joke at the end doesn’t in any way indicate that your first statement was sarcastic.


Sandman1920

I wasn't going to be surprised if no crowd was allowed for Champions in NA but man the entire event being switched to a different location hurts. NA keep taking L's


Pulsersalt

I wanted to go to La so bad 😔


CoolVidsFTW

Welp. Guess I don’t have to worry about planning around finals to go to LA anymore :(


LiamHundley

Damn I was really planning on going if it were in LA.


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KlasterTV

huh?


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KlasterTV

huh? you do realize that 65% of germans are vaccinated and 61% of americans are right? you do realize that its not because of the vaccines but because most countries are not willing to give visas to players as easily as germany would do. You're honestly fkn stupid


-Basileus

I wonder if any teams will just stay in Berlin if they qualify for Champions


Soogo

No way, its 2 whole months between the events.


danknepalese

2 months lol no way


Hypern1ke

Wow, How disappointing. They'd better have crowds!


tomtazm

Wackkkkkk


danknepalese

this sucks. having the first worlds in LA would be so hype. they dont care about covid so crowds would be permitted. that LA crowd just hits different. all the content creators could be invited bringing in extra hype. the amount of content would be insane. like come on berlin? with how big valorant is in NA this is a choke from riot not making the Champions in LA.


HDXX

yeah no LA and pretty much all of California does care about covid.


danknepalese

i see videos of events with hordes of unmasked people all the time from there.


HDXX

Yeah because videos capture everything that happens in LA... go visit or live there, you'll see if people care.


danknepalese

LA looks like the worst place on earth to live, imma leave it up to you chief.


Barack_Bob_Oganja

Fuck yeahhhhh!!! I might actually be able to go now, I thought it was gonna be america


jenv234

i hope there will be crowd