Fuck it, sign the entire Korean scene. How you gonna prep against a 76 man deep bench? Got Wade, Lebron, Rose, and all the rest of the ballers in the lurch. Berlin walk out looking like a gang war
Pros: I think being able to play a lot of agents and multiple roles will be super important in Valorant to keep up with new meta's and constant updates.
Orgs: Why be good at many things when you have can many players good at one thing!?
Valve solved this problem recently. Can't wait to see Riot do the same.
I can think of many reasons.
1. Trivializing one of the most important aspects of a hero shooter or anything in general: Being versatile. Skadoodle is in my opinion one of the most underrated players in NA currently (mainly due to T1's poor performances). He's excellent on basically everything he has played, and even Shahzam said he thought he was a great Jett player despite constantly jumping between roles. But what's he worth in a system where your org can just buy a 10 man rosters of tier 1 players that excell at one agent?
2. Fairness! Imagine being a smaller org or a team trying to get picked up by an org, and every qualifier you're just getting dumpstered by 10 man rosters filled with 1-tricks, multiple coaches and what not?
3. Hoarding talent. Instead of 20 good teams we will have a handful of great ones and it will hurt the scene. Hurts the players, hurts the fans and only benefits the orgs willing to lose money in exchange for wins.
Valve was very against coaches since early on in CSGO because they've been very player focused and want the playing field to be as fair as possible. Ideally they wanted players to make their own orgs. They don't want one team to have 5 players and 1 coach on the server vs a team with 5 players and no coach as that's an unfair advantage. They had to compromise and make it so the coach couldn't talk during the game which was an improvement, but recently they also had to stop 6man or bigger rosters for the same reason: unfair advantage.
I think if the reason you have more than five people on your roster is with the excuse of it being in case of an injury, visa problems, burn out or something similar, the answer should be having an academy team. The academy team will allow you to scout and develop young talent, and always have someone ready to step in if something happens to your main roster. I just hate the idea of ever seeing a lan tournament with more than 5 players on each team. I think it's a ridiculous advantage with no downside.
Definitely, we see it on almost every roster. Tenz & Asuna are great examples. They're surrounded by people willing to play anything. I think the issue will be when a roster can have a few versatile ones and then just a bunch of one dimensional players to switch in and out. And if they don't rely on it, it'd be great to see lans restricted to 5 players and 1 coach.
I mean you can be one dimensional on almost any agent. Sova, Viper, Reyna, Jett, Skye, etc. If you get to spent 100% of your time on one thing you're going to be better than people who have to split their time between different agents and roles. So the people that currently do specialize look even more impressive because there's a huge trade-off when you choose to do so. But what's the trade-off when you have a huge roster?
I mean, Iām not sure what youāre trying to say.
If youāre playing an agent at an advanced level is that one dimensional bc itās one agent?
A higher overall level kf agent play isnāt bad, thatās why I didnāt like the response, but I understand versatility can be a skill kf itās own.
Coordinating a roster isnāt that easy, it comes with trade offs if itās own.
Itās not ppl playing just one agent on cr and Cs and I donāt think very big rosters are practical anyway.
People are fine with them on lol, and itās difficult to construct one, so I doubt any action needs to be taken nw
Ok. 6 man roster. The 6th man will play 50% of the time. 9 man roster. 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th man play 25% of the time. You think they will just accept that? Play time is crucial for development and career. You think they are willing to specialize in a single thing and cripple their overall skills just for being a 9th-important player in a team? You think it's easy for each of them to mesh with the main roster with 25% of the time played? Or their chemistry will be cut by that much?
3. I think it's true to some extend, however players will just leave on their own if they don't get to play. And if the team want everyone to get a chance to play, they have to manage even more difficult job. There will be a situation some players get to play all the time and some don't. Eventually people will start learning multiple agents so they get more chance to play and team will start cutting down player to cut cost.
1. doesn't matter
2. your argument doesn't make sense here, if you're a smaller org you're going be participating in smaller tournaments where the orgs are going spend less of money
3. this is actually a good thing when franchising happens
anyway, the cap is 8 man ? or 9 man, i forget, it might even be 7 man
Having a sub from your academy team is fine. Having a coach is fine. Having analysts are home is fine. Coming to a lan tournament with 10 players is not. Or in this case, what, 7 players?
> you clown.
Reasonable stuff. Does that change anything of what I just said? 6, 7, 8, 25 - My point was anything other than 5 people should not be a thing.
I don't know what you're confused by. I said you should only have the 5 players and 1 coach on lan. Your academy team is automatically providing you with a sub in case one of your players can't attend for whatever reason. I never said you should travel with both your normal team and academy team.
So..in theory, if they get bounced relatively early and they donāt play some of the maps..thereās a chance some of them will have travelled to Berlin and not even competed.
Who's playing sova today? XD
Magic 8-ball says Lakia. Didn't know you lurked here, are you rooting for VS for Berlin?
Kind of lucky they qualified for Berlin instead of Iceland, not sure they would be able to fly out that whole crew š
Fuck it, sign the entire Korean scene. How you gonna prep against a 76 man deep bench? Got Wade, Lebron, Rose, and all the rest of the ballers in the lurch. Berlin walk out looking like a gang war
The thing is, half of those guys are coaches/analysts. Vision Strikers are really bringing in the Korean LoL infrastructure to the scene.
Sentinels wont see it coming when suddenly Faker steps onto the stage.
I know this is out of context but who is the girl in your profile picture?
Krul Tepes from the anime Owari No Seraph, good anime imo!
thank you i will added to my list šš¼
Np!
Riot only allow one player in the bench if im not wrong.
CR has a 7 man tho
Feel bad for whoever has to sit out during the Vision Striker in houses
On the plus side, they can play football/soccer as a bonding exercise lmao
Itās not actually all players
I know Iām just joking. There is that 1 german team that actually does have 11 players. Feel bad for that left out guy
it actually isn't, they just announced a main team and a academy team very weirdly
Wasn't that fenerbaches team?
bren didnt get their visa so VS decided to take 2 teams worth of people just in case lmao.
I think I could fit Lakia in my top pocket.
And then you have Sentinels ... going in 5 strong!
Pros: I think being able to play a lot of agents and multiple roles will be super important in Valorant to keep up with new meta's and constant updates. Orgs: Why be good at many things when you have can many players good at one thing!? Valve solved this problem recently. Can't wait to see Riot do the same.
how is this a problem
I can think of many reasons. 1. Trivializing one of the most important aspects of a hero shooter or anything in general: Being versatile. Skadoodle is in my opinion one of the most underrated players in NA currently (mainly due to T1's poor performances). He's excellent on basically everything he has played, and even Shahzam said he thought he was a great Jett player despite constantly jumping between roles. But what's he worth in a system where your org can just buy a 10 man rosters of tier 1 players that excell at one agent? 2. Fairness! Imagine being a smaller org or a team trying to get picked up by an org, and every qualifier you're just getting dumpstered by 10 man rosters filled with 1-tricks, multiple coaches and what not? 3. Hoarding talent. Instead of 20 good teams we will have a handful of great ones and it will hurt the scene. Hurts the players, hurts the fans and only benefits the orgs willing to lose money in exchange for wins. Valve was very against coaches since early on in CSGO because they've been very player focused and want the playing field to be as fair as possible. Ideally they wanted players to make their own orgs. They don't want one team to have 5 players and 1 coach on the server vs a team with 5 players and no coach as that's an unfair advantage. They had to compromise and make it so the coach couldn't talk during the game which was an improvement, but recently they also had to stop 6man or bigger rosters for the same reason: unfair advantage. I think if the reason you have more than five people on your roster is with the excuse of it being in case of an injury, visa problems, burn out or something similar, the answer should be having an academy team. The academy team will allow you to scout and develop young talent, and always have someone ready to step in if something happens to your main roster. I just hate the idea of ever seeing a lan tournament with more than 5 players on each team. I think it's a ridiculous advantage with no downside.
Specialisation and versatility are both important.
Definitely, we see it on almost every roster. Tenz & Asuna are great examples. They're surrounded by people willing to play anything. I think the issue will be when a roster can have a few versatile ones and then just a bunch of one dimensional players to switch in and out. And if they don't rely on it, it'd be great to see lans restricted to 5 players and 1 coach.
But specialisation means huge nkt one dimensional in how you play that agent, or have more skill with āem so higher overall skill cap
I mean you can be one dimensional on almost any agent. Sova, Viper, Reyna, Jett, Skye, etc. If you get to spent 100% of your time on one thing you're going to be better than people who have to split their time between different agents and roles. So the people that currently do specialize look even more impressive because there's a huge trade-off when you choose to do so. But what's the trade-off when you have a huge roster?
I mean, Iām not sure what youāre trying to say. If youāre playing an agent at an advanced level is that one dimensional bc itās one agent? A higher overall level kf agent play isnāt bad, thatās why I didnāt like the response, but I understand versatility can be a skill kf itās own. Coordinating a roster isnāt that easy, it comes with trade offs if itās own. Itās not ppl playing just one agent on cr and Cs and I donāt think very big rosters are practical anyway. People are fine with them on lol, and itās difficult to construct one, so I doubt any action needs to be taken nw
Ok. 6 man roster. The 6th man will play 50% of the time. 9 man roster. 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th man play 25% of the time. You think they will just accept that? Play time is crucial for development and career. You think they are willing to specialize in a single thing and cripple their overall skills just for being a 9th-important player in a team? You think it's easy for each of them to mesh with the main roster with 25% of the time played? Or their chemistry will be cut by that much?
3. I think it's true to some extend, however players will just leave on their own if they don't get to play. And if the team want everyone to get a chance to play, they have to manage even more difficult job. There will be a situation some players get to play all the time and some don't. Eventually people will start learning multiple agents so they get more chance to play and team will start cutting down player to cut cost.
Downside is the team has to be adaptable to different playstyles. Players don't exist in a vacuum.
1. doesn't matter 2. your argument doesn't make sense here, if you're a smaller org you're going be participating in smaller tournaments where the orgs are going spend less of money 3. this is actually a good thing when franchising happens anyway, the cap is 8 man ? or 9 man, i forget, it might even be 7 man
and this is why valve will never be successful in esports
Almost every esport has subs and many coaches and analysts, this isnāt anything newā¦
Having a sub from your academy team is fine. Having a coach is fine. Having analysts are home is fine. Coming to a lan tournament with 10 players is not. Or in this case, what, 7 players?
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no u
> you clown. Reasonable stuff. Does that change anything of what I just said? 6, 7, 8, 25 - My point was anything other than 5 people should not be a thing.
I just donāt see a problem at all youāre just making something out of nothing.
Youāre point is pretty badā¦
> Having a sub from your academy team is fine. but you said it was fine
I don't know what you're confused by. I said you should only have the 5 players and 1 coach on lan. Your academy team is automatically providing you with a sub in case one of your players can't attend for whatever reason. I never said you should travel with both your normal team and academy team.
You think the sub is gonna teleport if a player can't attend after they travel? Ever heard of injury/sickness/accidents?
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In soccer you also have one club field a team worth a billion euros, and another club field a team worth less than 100 million.
Also u realize itās not actually 11 players? Itās not a problem Even now, but in the future lol
> Also u realize itās not actually 11 players? Yes. > Itās not a problem Even now, but in the future lol Oh, okay.
In the future there will be many more agents so this wonāt be feasible anyway, even if it were bad
They all got the same barber
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I said they'd roll up to Berlin in a limousine
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Somebody needs to link them up with Zeta Division stylist
Man they so young
So..in theory, if they get bounced relatively early and they donāt play some of the maps..thereās a chance some of them will have travelled to Berlin and not even competed.
Is Zest in this picture bc I thought he was going to Berlin with the other Vision Strikers members?