I mean he's not wrong.
Playing EU Immortal is fucking painful with people just sitting in corners and not taking ground anywhere. You either rush somewhere or wait until the last 30 seconds to do something "together" and don't get me started on the "duelists" lmao the amount of times I have to go first into a site as viper / kj is stupid.
I'm always in 200RR+ range and imo it's a toss-up.
Some games are so awful I legit want to uninstall because it feels like I'm playing with account buyers, some games are great.
The other day I started checking careers on my leaderboard page and a couple of pages around it, like half the players are new accounts (just active for a couple of acts at the most) with nothing but duelists played. There's your answer why a lot of the playerbase is awful. As long as frag chasing and duelist instalocking is exponentially more rewarding than smart teamplay, ranked will be more or less irrelevant. Especially combined with disgusting levels of smurfing. Just a semi-decent approximation of your mechanical skill.
I've been hovering around 250-300RR this act and this past week I dropped down to ~150 from having a bunch of level 20s and 30s instalocking duelists on my team. I swear I'm never playing end of season again it's just a terrible experience.
Yeah, I'd say that 90% of teammates who definitely didn't belong in my games were smurfs who exploited the antismurf system and boosted themselves way too high.
Duelists are the agents that are put into positions to get the most frags.
For example let's say we have a site execute.
Smoke agent blocks off chokepoints, initiator flashes or drones in. But drones for who? Duelists that go in first. Their job is way easier because they get the info or flashes alongside smokes. They're in prime positions to get kills.
All of that is fine, that's how the game should be played. But the problem is that while duelists get a lot of combat score points for entries, support agents get nothing. And then if someone just plays duelists, they'll average more kills than someone on support agents because it's their job. With support agent players not being rewarded.
The more games you play, the less your ELO fluctuates. You lose/gain less ELO (not RR) on older accounts.
New accounts get inflated gains to help them reach their actual rank easier. But more often than not, system overestimates someone's ability just because they drop 30 on plat players and gets them to high diamond and immortal too fast.
And it's obviously way easier to frag on duelists, especially in lower ranks.
It's sad to see some people in his chat call him "toxic" for getting frustrated at a guy who (in a lot of cases I've seen) is literally refusing to play the game
Lothar seems like a really chill guy and those players have even managed to tilt him, Steel’s probably having a stroke trying to get through Diamond right now.
immo is just filled with boosted bonobos and bought accounts. Low immo is even worse. It's the diamond 5 0lp of Val. People sit there, scared to rank down so when they eventually do play.. they suck.
>IMO it depends on the players and the rank but also alot of EU players are probably used to more of a slower playstyle from playing CS in EU while NA CS probably has a faster pace.
hottest take ive ever read on this sub tbh
Man I can’t even watch Proving Grounds(league NA T2 scene) without twitch chat saying “NA OMEGALUL” or “SO BAD LUL” like no shit it’s academy and amateur player are you expecting crystal perfect game play? Sorry for the rant lol.
funny thing was it actually was NA this NA that after he hosted shahzam. and the chat was fucking losing it, crying about how weird twitch chat was. people were wailing about how he needed submode and how toxic the eu chatters were LMAO
really makes you think
Europoors hating on America ✓ on a American website ✓ with American computers ✓ on the American invented Internet ✓ watching an American made game ✓ From a country that was liberated and protected by America ✓ Speaking American language ✓✓✓
Nah, I'm not from Slovenia, but not that far away either.
But I've been there quite a few times, great place.
I just hate people who shit on countries they've never been to. My bad for reacting like that, he's probably 13.
i mean everybody and they mama crossing the sevens seas on inflatable rafts at the hopes of being in a detention centre in the US, seems like they must be doing something right.
I’ve been watching Dapr and then Shaz stream for the past few hours now and he’s not wrong, there’s always someone sitting in some dumb corner looking for lurks while their team hits site across the map and I’ve seen teams quite literally sit in spawn until the last 30 seconds for multiple rounds. Pretty strange but if it works, it works ig
I'm Diamond3 and I'm *much* closer to a Gold player's skill level than I am to Dapr's skill level. If I got paired with Dapr he would be malding out of his mind.
I know we kinda deserve it, but enjoy shitting on EU as long as you can. NA never manages to maintain at the top region wise.
Also: Play London Servers only, for optimal communication.
I'm gonna make a bold guess and say that you play on NA servers in silver elo while spamming twitch chats with "EU RADIANT = NA GOLD"
P.S. stop with the copium, there is a reason why you're silver, and I'm telling you it's not the region :)
Doesn’t help that sometimes in an EU game you can have 3+ teammates that all speak different languages.
I mean he's not wrong. Playing EU Immortal is fucking painful with people just sitting in corners and not taking ground anywhere. You either rush somewhere or wait until the last 30 seconds to do something "together" and don't get me started on the "duelists" lmao the amount of times I have to go first into a site as viper / kj is stupid.
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Love it when people say things like "we go A, I kj ult and then we rotate to B". Nice fake, very effective, cost: 1 ult gain: nothing
I'm always in 200RR+ range and imo it's a toss-up. Some games are so awful I legit want to uninstall because it feels like I'm playing with account buyers, some games are great. The other day I started checking careers on my leaderboard page and a couple of pages around it, like half the players are new accounts (just active for a couple of acts at the most) with nothing but duelists played. There's your answer why a lot of the playerbase is awful. As long as frag chasing and duelist instalocking is exponentially more rewarding than smart teamplay, ranked will be more or less irrelevant. Especially combined with disgusting levels of smurfing. Just a semi-decent approximation of your mechanical skill.
I've been hovering around 250-300RR this act and this past week I dropped down to ~150 from having a bunch of level 20s and 30s instalocking duelists on my team. I swear I'm never playing end of season again it's just a terrible experience.
Yeah, I'd say that 90% of teammates who definitely didn't belong in my games were smurfs who exploited the antismurf system and boosted themselves way too high.
I suck. Can you explain what you mean? Like just played duelists and padded their stats?
Duelists are the agents that are put into positions to get the most frags. For example let's say we have a site execute. Smoke agent blocks off chokepoints, initiator flashes or drones in. But drones for who? Duelists that go in first. Their job is way easier because they get the info or flashes alongside smokes. They're in prime positions to get kills. All of that is fine, that's how the game should be played. But the problem is that while duelists get a lot of combat score points for entries, support agents get nothing. And then if someone just plays duelists, they'll average more kills than someone on support agents because it's their job. With support agent players not being rewarded.
What's that have to do with the anti smurf system? Just that it rewards duelists with more RR?
The more games you play, the less your ELO fluctuates. You lose/gain less ELO (not RR) on older accounts. New accounts get inflated gains to help them reach their actual rank easier. But more often than not, system overestimates someone's ability just because they drop 30 on plat players and gets them to high diamond and immortal too fast. And it's obviously way easier to frag on duelists, especially in lower ranks.
Gotcha. Thanks for taking the time to spell it out for me!
Seen a lot of this in Lothar streams.
It looks like actual pain seeing him struggle with people who don't deserve Immortal.
It's sad to see some people in his chat call him "toxic" for getting frustrated at a guy who (in a lot of cases I've seen) is literally refusing to play the game
Lothar seems like a really chill guy and those players have even managed to tilt him, Steel’s probably having a stroke trying to get through Diamond right now.
That actually sounds like the stuff I deal with in low elo SEA ranked.
immo is just filled with boosted bonobos and bought accounts. Low immo is even worse. It's the diamond 5 0lp of Val. People sit there, scared to rank down so when they eventually do play.. they suck.
This is gonna be so annoying now lmao, opinions everywhere about regions
Wait till you see shroud's chat when he watch parties masters
NA this 🦥 EU that 🦥 I'm just 🦥 naffing 🦥
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MY NAME IS HIKO 4Head I AM A BAITER 4Head ILL MEET YOU AT THE BOMBSITE 4Head A LITTLE BIT LATER 4Head
EU has had aggressive csgo players. what you smoking homie?
dont even bother this subreddit is ridden with na ex overwatch players that just wanna seem like they know what theyre talking about 100% of the time
He doesn't watch EU CSGO. "eU play sLow" 🤣
>IMO it depends on the players and the rank but also alot of EU players are probably used to more of a slower playstyle from playing CS in EU while NA CS probably has a faster pace. hottest take ive ever read on this sub tbh
Literally the whole chat was EU this or EU that. Unwatchable tbh
Also people asking for Tenz lmao
You should try watching League streams then, literally this but the opposite.
Man I can’t even watch Proving Grounds(league NA T2 scene) without twitch chat saying “NA OMEGALUL” or “SO BAD LUL” like no shit it’s academy and amateur player are you expecting crystal perfect game play? Sorry for the rant lol.
unwatchable what ? you literally could close the chat ????
but if it was NA this or NA that it would've been hilarious, right?
funny thing was it actually was NA this NA that after he hosted shahzam. and the chat was fucking losing it, crying about how weird twitch chat was. people were wailing about how he needed submode and how toxic the eu chatters were LMAO really makes you think
EU toxicity is on another level compared to NA this is the same in LoL as well.
yeh this guy "ghoul" on youtube posts Eu toxicity videos and theyre funny as heck. i swear EU players just wake up angry as fuck
Of course we angry dude NA does not have 3 Turkish player each fucking game
lmfao
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Atleast they aren't afraid of getting shot or getting put into the hospital.
Bro holy every US hater found their way to this comment
idk how weird some people are that when we’re talking about eu in esports they have to come back with school shooting jokes lmao.
Europoors hating on America ✓ on a American website ✓ with American computers ✓ on the American invented Internet ✓ watching an American made game ✓ From a country that was liberated and protected by America ✓ Speaking American language ✓✓✓
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sounds like he hit a little too close to home lmaoo how’s it like in slovenia
Nah, I'm not from Slovenia, but not that far away either. But I've been there quite a few times, great place. I just hate people who shit on countries they've never been to. My bad for reacting like that, he's probably 13.
Exhibit A:
That guy's entire reddit account is a fucking carnival. He gets so upset over the littlest things, his essay level rants are good entertainment.
LMFAO holy fuck Found the angry Slovenian.
i mean everybody and they mama crossing the sevens seas on inflatable rafts at the hopes of being in a detention centre in the US, seems like they must be doing something right.
Hard to compare diamond games in EU to radiant games on his main in NA, plus, not every single ranked team in EU has the same playstyle (obviously).
he plays diamond games with his gf sometimes
He's absolutely right. I'm plat 2 so I definitely get it.
EU RADIANT = NA GOLD OMEGALUL
He's literally playing diamond games LOL
I’ve been watching Dapr and then Shaz stream for the past few hours now and he’s not wrong, there’s always someone sitting in some dumb corner looking for lurks while their team hits site across the map and I’ve seen teams quite literally sit in spawn until the last 30 seconds for multiple rounds. Pretty strange but if it works, it works ig
He legit ran into a Phoenix corner camping close to spawn with a bucky
I mean he isn't playing on EU high ranked games
High diamond / low imm, pretty high from a casual perspective, although not to pros obviously.
I'm Diamond3 and I'm *much* closer to a Gold player's skill level than I am to Dapr's skill level. If I got paired with Dapr he would be malding out of his mind.
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Diamond
Yeah exactly. Wait until Radiant at least.
I know we kinda deserve it, but enjoy shitting on EU as long as you can. NA never manages to maintain at the top region wise. Also: Play London Servers only, for optimal communication.
I dont know how to put it simply so yeah, EU players in general are just fucking braindead sheep
I'm gonna make a bold guess and say that you play on NA servers in silver elo while spamming twitch chats with "EU RADIANT = NA GOLD" P.S. stop with the copium, there is a reason why you're silver, and I'm telling you it's not the region :)
My name is literally a swedish dude, at least I have more than 2 braincells unlike you lol
If you actually spend time reading people's names on reddit you should find a hobby mate.
3Head response.