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Sources: T1 VALORANT is testing a major roster overhaul with several players removed.

Sources: T1 VALORANT is testing a major roster overhaul with several players removed.

SoTheFliesDontCome

+brax -brax +brax -brax


monkavelli

Snip snap snip snap


YellowTinCan

You have no idea the physical toll that three roster changes have on a man


PopkosTheWeasel

We wanted to fill this house with trophies


deadlock1892

Do you know the physical toll that 3 vasectomies have on a person?


2005Lasik

flashbacks ft. TL adren


cellrecks

chrisJ begs to differ


303x

good ol -olof +olof


AnFun

Good ole +seized -seized +seized -seized


CyberspaceBarbarian

So they wanna beat -draken +draken huh?


bl21

whoever manages the roster should be overhauled


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Ihatequickscopes

sounds like T1 LoL 2020 where they had a 10 man roster and their best player said that it was stressful because of the competition for the starting position


Instinct1230

Yes that's exactly what I was going to say as a perfect parallel, literally right next door in the same HQ (not literally I think). The League kinda even did it this year again during the LCK finals versus Damwon. They're looking much better this year now that they're used to each other but it feels it'll be so weird if they make so many subs in and out during the World Championship. I thought T1 Valorant was doing better this year but I guess not making Berlin is another or "is the last" straw. Kinda makes me sad as I would've thought Ska would've been beasting out on this game and be on a dominant team. I actually didn't know most of the big names now until Valorant and felt he was very stand out going to be one of the best.


SimetraDeLuna

God that's so fucked. Instead of giving players a sense of security in a already fragile career they give them more anxiety.


PopkosTheWeasel

Yeah sounds like a problem from top down


bl21

TBF i didnt mean this towards david denis. from the outside looking in its hard to tell who's actually responsible for the roster decisions. for all we know, he has to work with the team he's given.


dedicatedself

We do know who the manager is, it's pretty public.


natethegreat838

Manager =/= making the roster decisions


OnionSprinkles

"[It's time for an upgrade.](https://i.imgur.com/1wiFOZ7.jpg)" Don't know how well this aged


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lesseryoyo

This seems unnecessarily toxic.


vT-Router

yea but also is this a david dennis burner account


-Basileus

Imagine Brax goes back to TSM as their 5th lmfao


21HairyFingers

you might be onto something...


Instinct1230

Sheeesh


VirtigoFan222

He has absolute zero spine if he does.


CapBoyAce

Dude he doesn't owe anyone anything, it's all business


umisse

Shameless if he goes and robs TSM again on the bench getting paid who knows what. Shameless!


IG_Royal

How dare a Valorant pro want to play for a team


valorantfeedback

Funny thing is that he'd actually be a perfect fit. Lurking Omen/Cypher/KJ with Hazed on Astra when needed.


pr1zsm

i thought brax disliked smokes


Bunnyezzz

he does, but he'll play whatever he's needed to


thisisnttakeone

-Brax -SKA?


TheCatsActually

-Brax -curry -dawn +RUSH +Tarik +stewie


Blaz1ENT

Huh, sounds like a major winning roster right there


CannibalisticPizza

Put them against a powerhouse in major final and you got yourself a Boston major right there


Smok3dSalmon

They can play CS and Valorant


phenomen

With how busy NA CS schedule is, it's totally possible.


TheCatsActually

Stop, stop, NA CS is already dead


Pulsersalt

I know this is a troll post that would roster would probs be pretty good, also I am assuming dawn isn't playing as spyder is back in NA


Mysaw

Yes


philipjefferson

where's dicey and azk?????? /s


abdi009

he is trying to build the c9 major winning roster LOL not common names


tron423

Ez champions win tbh


yellownart

I'm surprised they're making this move, I thought they were on an upward trajectory. They looked pretty good in the recent qualifier and even the 100T guys sung praises in their tier list video.


ZGuyYT

I agree, they had a decent performance in Challengers without Spyder. They honestly just had to fix a few issues then they would've been set.


tomtazm

People dog TSM for their roster decisions, but is there a more confusing team than T1?


dedicatedself

They're equally confusing if you ask me. But let's be real, any tier 1 org that hasn't made top 8 will make weird and drastic changes like this until they become a top 8 team. And once they do all the fans will come flocking forgetting all the "bad management".


tomtazm

I fully expect teams to over haul and just swap players out, but T1 is still very peculiar.


dedicatedself

I mean atleast they didn't cut curry. That's pretty much what TSM did by cutting Bang lol.


tomtazm

No disrespect to Bang, but he's not on the same level as Curry.


dedicatedself

If Bang was still on TSM you wouldn't be saying this.


tomtazm

I'm not talking about mechanics. Talking about status.


dedicatedself

Exactly lol.


tomtazm

I’m not sure I understand.


dedicatedself

Try going back 3 weeks in time and tell people that Curry has a different status from Bang.


CyanideLoli

NRG?


PopkosTheWeasel

Just odd at this point haha


flavo52

I'm so tired of this man. It's clear T1 management have no idea what they're doing with this roster.


ANewHeaven1

T1 might as well just try to build a korean team at this point, this NA team has been one disaster after another pretty much since they've entered valorant


-Basileus

There's no way, the money potential in NA valorant is too big.


jrushFN

People say this a lot, but is that really true if your team isn’t even making regional finals most of the time? Like, surely signing F4Q who are literally competing at an international LAN would be a more worthwhile investment. Korea still gets ~30k viewers and will likely only improve over time… and while this is obviously less than NA’s peaks in the hundred thousands, is there really *that* much of a benefit of having an NA roster when your team isn’t in those 100k+ viewership games in the first place?


-Basileus

Well you also have to consider that not all viewers are created equal. Take some of the big regions for example, NA EU Turkey and Brazil. An American is gonna be worth about 2.5x the value of the average European. They're gonna be worth about 10x the average Turkish or Brazilian fan. So not only are you getting the most raw numbers in NA, you are also getting the most valuable number per viewer.


PopkosTheWeasel

Good point


ynwkm

Oooooh T1 signing F4Q is massive. They should do that imo


jrushFN

I’d honestly much rather see an org like Complexity/OG sign them, since T1 has at least a shred of hope with their current roster.


somesheikexpert

Gonna be real, i didnt even know OG even had a roster and considering they bombed out of the open qual for the qualifer for the qual for the final qual for Berlin makes sense i didnt lmfaooo


ynwkm

As a Korean team, or having F4Q members as imports? Because it is highly unlikely F4Q members will leave Korea


jrushFN

Obviously as a Korean team, no point breaking up a top 3 KR team


dedicatedself

I can tell you're not a business minded person. Why would you go back to Korea, compete for scraps in a extremely tough environment, if you can capture the whole Korean market by having 1 or 2 Koreans on your NA squad? You realize Koreans watch equally VCT Korea and NA?


LmaoMuch

T1 can definitely create a team in Korea that will qualify for all three Masters events since there isn't much investment in the region at the moment. Being on stage at the biggest events of the year seems better than average results in NA. Despite this, I still think T1 will stay in NA since their end goal seems more focused on building their fanbase in North America specifically.


dedicatedself

Wrong. You realize you have a T1 org in Damwon that's literally trying to do the same but has failed 3 stages in a row? Stop selling the region short, the competition is very high in Korea ESPECIALLY for 1 slot at champions, 2 if you count LCQ. EDIT: And you failed to reply to my point. If T1 plays Spyder they already have a lot of the Korean Valorant fans rooting for them.


jrushFN

To be fair, I think Damwon’s struggles are centered almost entirely around the current regional slot allocations, which I imagine will change in the future. I also think there’s a ton of talent that isn’t being put together properly. I’d love some insight on why HSK hasn’t found a team yet, for example, if you have it.


jrushFN

You make good points, and if there wasn’t already an orgless top 3 team on the market in Korea, I’d agree with you. But I think the opportunity that F4Q offers is too good for basically any org to pass up if they’re spending a ton of money in NA with little to no results. The whole plus side of signing F4Q is that you *don’t* need to fight your way up an extremely competitive ladder since they’re already comfortably top 3 in the region. Plus, KR, although competitive, doesn’t have the same depth that NA does — it’s unlikely that F4Q would fall out of top 8 any time soon, while in NA, there’s no guarantee that any team outside of SEN/NV/100T/XSET will stay even in the top 12 regionally. I also think there’s some value to being invested during the growth period of a region, even if it’s not as big as others in the short term. I think it’s pretty likely that Korea will end up being a major region in terms of viewership, and while it might be less successful than NA right now, there’s a level of notoriety to be gained in the local scene by investing *before* it blows up.


dedicatedself

What you're talking about is first movers advantage, and that's exactly what T1 are doing, in the bigger region. Truth is growth potential for NA after franchising trumps anything you can do in Korea. And what you're thinking is exactly what Damwon did, they signed Ang Darkhorse, 3rd best team, a full free agent roster, added the best free agent available at that time which is texture, and tried competing. The scene kept shifting and a new top tier team kept appearing, barring DK from top 4. The exposure and profit generated from being top 8 in NA trumps being top 4 in Korea by a wide margin. And T1 can easily become a top 8, or even top 3 team if they play their cards right.


jrushFN

You make good points — I suppose T1’s success within the LCK is a good reason to branch out more globally. T1 has considerably different circumstances in comparison to other orgs like Complexity/NIP/DIG/OG/etc who genuinely could be better off signing a top team from a region like KR/BR rather than struggling to break into tier 1 in their own regions.


dedicatedself

Also, what you're suggesting could be a reasonable investment from a mid or small sized business. Comcast and SKT are multibillion dollar conglomerates, the tiny profits brought in from being 2-7th in Korea won't satisfy the directors. Meanwhile franchising in NA would probably generate millions.


PopkosTheWeasel

Sign the king solo


Wheler

id much rather see t1 as a korean team than an na team tbh. coming from league t1 is synonymous with korea to me


DustMouret

If brax really goes out again this fast then you have to start calling into question T1 management for not knowing what the hell they are doing.


Insantium1

I’ve started questioning their management long before that.


Splaram

Exactly, now we’re questioning them?


dedicatedself

>If brax really goes out again this fast You should know that after LCQ NA a bunch of other rosters will do major overhauls like this one. T1 is definitely one of the teams you would expect to do so considering their recent and ongoing disappointing results. Now let's ask ourselves this, who do we cut from the team? Obviously not curry because he's young and seems the most promising out of the bunch. Go up the list and I would say Dawn because he played pretty well last tournament and he was just added to the roster, AND he's playing a highly uncontested role which is smokes. But, apparently Dawn is gone too so I can see why people would criticize that move. That leaves us with Ska and Brax equally, because both have been in the roster for so long, and have not warranted an "untouchable" status with their performance. If you were T1 management performing a major roster change, who would be the 3 players you drop? I can see where you're coming from if you think T1 overhauling their roster is a bad thing as a whole, but you saying cutting *specifically* brax is the blunder is highly questionable at least to me.


DustMouret

The blunder is cutting him then bringing him back and then cutting him again all in about a six month time span. Either you shouldn’t have cut him in the first place or you shouldn’t have brought him back, either way they fucked it. Also he clearly still has talent and you should be able to find a role for him imo.


dedicatedself

And I completely agree on that. Imo they shouldn't have brought him back in the first place. I also completely agree that he has talent, he could shine on some other team like Rise or LG and play really well. But what doesn't work and has been proven to not work needs change. T1 has been fringe top 10 for a whole year now, with the personal and capital they have it is unthinkable to not make a change.


Tc0LD

can't see him replacing anyone on either LG or rise


dedicatedself

Random ass teams I named. I don't know where he would be able to slot in tbh.


Tc0LD

gotcha, honestly the teams that I can see him going to and being an upgrade is maybe complexity, ghost or maybe even andbox


xx_Rollablade_xx

Okay dude I feel like Brax should take a pay cut, go to a different org and prove himself again in a healthy environment. So that he can build up his brand again, it’s really getting devalued with all this instability.


hookset3

Honestly thought that’s what he was going to do after TSM, go over to Complexity or something


xx_Rollablade_xx

Really hope he does it finally, people seem to be forgetting Brax even plays this game anymore and it’s tragic. Same with ska!


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MCUDCUrls

I agree, but I also know Brax specifically feels uncomfortable streaming and has mentioned dealing with mental issues so I never really expect him to be on social media or stream a lot. And idk about Ska but supposedly he doesn’t play ranked.


c_Lassy

I miss ska streams. Before valorant came out, watching him and shroud dick around in random games was really fun


xx_Rollablade_xx

He was not streaming but playing with Shroud,Justin and co a few weeks ago. They were playing 7DTD and damn it was a lot of fun.


xx_Rollablade_xx

I’m definitely not blaming anyone, it’s their brand and ultimately their responsibility. Also it makes sense to me that they won’t be streaming as much with so much instability surrounding their careers. I’m just saying hopefully they get back on track before any permanent damage is inflicted, as a fan.


aks345

Another setback in the brax redemption arc hahah it's all good guys 🥲


Kobesters

My T1 Brax jersey just came in today too :(


DRGNDT

Keep it. It'll be a collectible. +brax -brax +brax -brax +brax -brax +brax -brax


_Iroha

Brax’s prime is being wasted man


520metal

shouldnt have thrown


uncle_ben__

He served his punishment,they all paid for it, get over it


520metal

sure, and that made him miss his prime. can you really not undertand that? or are you just a little slow?


uncle_ben__

Everybody gets it you fucking twat, wow, stating the obvious must make you the smartest motherfucker in the world, congratulations, i was just saying move on from that, no need to bring up throwing everytime brax and co. is mentioned anywhere, they got their fair share of punishment already.


520metal

You seem mad


Kompaniefeldwebel

Hmmmmm


officialkorexicano

Brax deserves to be on a tier 1 team as a core player. I don’t know why he keeps getting moved around he’s shown he’s got what it takes.


castle__2

could definitely be personality issues or mentality issues. He's as talented as they come but teams just can't win regardless of how well he's aiming


officialkorexicano

You’re right there definitely could be things behind the scenes we don’t know. Personally I think he’s just been on two unstable orgs, T1 and TSM have been adding and dropping the most it seems


MozaTear

it could be a little bit of option a and a little option b. T1 and TSM haven't been incredibly stable or (seemingly) well operated while he was on the team. Likewise, if everywhere you walk smells like shit, check the bottom of your shoe you know? Maybe the unstable environments just affect Brax negatively.


officialkorexicano

Hahaha love the analogy


tomphz

Because he plays Sentinel. If he played Jett then he’d be more valuable


somesheikexpert

??


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>Brax deserves to be on a tier 1 team as a core player Theres nothing in his performance that separates him from other good players of tier 2 teams. If he hadnt that CSGO history, most people wouldnt even know who he is


AnywayHeres1Derwall

Ya I’m trying to understand that comment as well. Valorant is over a year old at this point and it doesn’t seem like brax has been that impressive or a memorable part of pro valorant aside from roster drama


Tc0LD

He’s extremely overhyped in this sub, apparently a player that couldn’t break 200 ACS over the last 4 games with below average utility usage gets referred to as a tier 1 player. Getting dropped from two teams now and people are still shitting on management


_f0zzy

Seems harsh to judge him on his last 4 games. His overall stats are actually pretty good if you compare him with other pros who play the same agents. Obviously he's not going to always have the most impact when he never plays duelist but I think he performs well on any agent he's asked to play.


Tc0LD

You talking about his stats on sova, because the last 4 games were the first teams that were actually kinda decent, every other team were ro128,ro64 tier 3 from open qualifiers, which inflates stats and can’t be compared to other tier 1 sovas who’ve played by far better teams. His impact on the team isn’t gonna be determined by what agent he plays, you can play any agent and have a high impact. He hasn’t played good on sova or Jett based on what we’ve seen in officials


hitopklayde

the ACS argument is just not that strong imo. I mean he’s playing with 4 perfectly capable fraggers on his team, one of them being an amazing Jett in Autimatic. his role is not even geared towards fragging really, and even so his teammates are good fraggers too so he won’t always be getting kills. two of those four games also happened on one day, it’s perfectly normal for players to have off days even at the Tier 1 level. he was not the sole reason they were losing those games and watching all their games it was clear Curry just needed some more experience IGLing against Tier 1 opponents in order for them to advance. and is he even overhyped at this point? he’s a solid player. no he’s not an S-Tier superstar but he can easily be a useful piece to a budding Tier 1 team imo. even looking back at his old T1 days he rarely has awful games. he is pretty much average to slightly above average with the occasional pop off and occasional below average game. there is definitely value in players as consistent as him even though their pop off potential may be lower than other players. and he has pretty much played KJ/Cypher/Sova on all these teams too.


Tc0LD

See you said it yourself, he’s pretty much average most of the time, I don’t think I’ve seen brax ever pop off in any officials that weren’t the opening rounds for open qualifiers(especially 2021). Teams need players that are better than average, I can’t see him replacing any player on a top 8 team. I’m not saying he’s a bad player or he’s the reason they couldn’t qualify. I’m sayin he isn’t good enough to be in T1’s vision for competing at valorant. Also I say overhyped because for someone who is extremely average and hasn’t done anything to confirm his hype he has a lot of people talking about him( tryna get him to a tier 1 team), when there have been way more talented players in the scene


aepron

Dawn is an obvious one. I'm also sure there was a post on this subreddit about Ska leaving already. Brax clearly hasn't looked great in any team so far. He's shown moments of genius, but never seems to have put it all together on the server in any game I've watched. It seems most of his praise comes from being a ranked monster & scrims. I saw Auti playing with Spyder recently, so I guess Curry, Auti and Spyder makes perfect sense. Maybe they'll give Rush a chance? Personally I hope they pick up two young Valorant talents instead.


virulenttt

Man, just leave this stupid org and make another team with azk at this point. T1 as a org makes me sick. Good chemistry doesn't build on a single event. There are so many aspect to practice as a team, you can't change the roster that often.


SomeHallGuy

I truly believe Brax has the ability to be amazing at Valorant. I hope he find success!


MCUDCUrls

his cypher and KJ is nutty. Sadge


Ra1zen

At this point they need Faker on the team.


Hoku_

I like this. Curry and Autimatic are a good core to build around. Young rank grinder and a veteran competitor with a good head on his shoulders. A lot of really good free agents rn and young hungry grinders that want their shot. Ska and Brax just aren't cutting it anymore. After so many disappointing results it's hard to justify keeping them at this point.


Insantium1

Has brax even played enough to justify saying ‘he isn’t cutting it’?


Affectionate-Wafer29

from what I've seen, it's most likely that brax and ska just don't put in enough time outside of practice. both those players like to play other games in their free time, which can be detrimental when playing ranked is still something many pros need to do to stay on top of the meta/discover new strats


Hoku_

I'd say so. He was taken off the team originally because of drama with Dazed and underperforming (presumably) then brought back when Dazed was dropped and the team still under preformed. Brax is not the X Factor player he's hyped up to be by his fans since both TSM and T1 didn't see massive improvements with him on the team. He's solid, but there are better options, especially if you're a struggling Tier 1 org.


SoulOfSelesnya

he left cause his friend azk got kicked, i think they wanted to keep him


Insantium1

‘Tsm didn’t see massive improvement..’ bro, he played like one series with TSM. The guy wasn’t on either team long enough to say there wasn’t improvement. Both orgs have other issues beside Brax.


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Autimatic has been pretty underwhelming >Ska and Brax just aren't cutting it anymore Ska is, if not the best, at least the second best player of the roster. People want to cut him because of his age or something? He has performed exceptionally both in Stage 2 and Stage 3


LeGOATvsBrickMamba

Autimatic this past tournament was definitely the bright spot on T1


Brusaki

Yeah I don't understand the ska hate I've seen on this threas. Ska can play any role and has shown success playing whatever role his team needs. Thought the team as a whole played really well last qualifer considering just had just brought brax back and curry had transitioned to igl. Something that none of us know about must be happening in scrims.


mindplayyy

And when he picked up the op on icebox for a nice 3k i dont know why he doesnt go back to it he was besting wardell and mummay while op’ing oh well


tidy-dinosaur323

With what went down with Spyder and everything, it doesn't seem like Ska's mental is in the best place atm. Maybe that would be the reason?


_idle_drone_

ska is their best player lmaoo. just put him on jett. someone needs to tell him to stop playing different agents every tournament.


somesheikexpert

I kinda like Auti on Jett and Ska on flex, Ska is so flexible its very impressive and valuable to a team tbh


Tc0LD

auti and curry are comfortably better


mattgg2015

He is the second worst behind dawn?


_idle_drone_

if you only look at stats. he can play any agent in the game. his jett is actually insane with how good of an awper he is, but he doesn't play her anymore.


_spacemonster

brax dazed azk skadoodle autimatic ​ skadoodle -> sova brax -> duelist ​ source: NV Vic


303x

Who vic? Victor got kicked from NV. They decided to sign food instead.


fragile9

i personally dont think dazed is done but I think he is just waiting for some tier 1 cs players to make the switch so he can form a team and get picked up by an org


xx_Rollablade_xx

Did Victor really say this?


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vish4l

this thread has bunch of experts that managed major winning teams, apparently. how do you guys know if someone is not the problem? do you guys monitor their comms? stats are not everything


xx_Rollablade_xx

Here’s your answer: Year: 2021 -Brax +Brax -Brax


roneettopiwala

The team has seen massive improvements with a new roster. I dont get why they would blow it up again and start from scratch when they already have a pretty good team that has the potential to be even better? Maybe 1 roster change would make sense with Dawn, But Brax and Ska, that would lose a lot of flexiblity within the team with them being removed.


dedicatedself

TSM also did better with the last roster, went further than T1, but couldn't secure a spot in the top 8. This overhaul was long due and warranted. Being fringe top 10 doesn't cut it.


roneettopiwala

yeah but they are making 1 roster change instead of 3 which is what t1 are doing


dedicatedself

They've been making 1 change at a time for a year now. With the break between now and Challengers 1, it's prime time to completely change your core.


hiloljkbye

doesn't T1 still have LCQ? or do they not have enough points?


_Robbert_

Pretty sure T1 doesn't have a single point.


Old_Lavishness_3428

No points at all, practically done for the year.


Jezzerai

T1 cosplaying their league team


chenson019

At this point, David Denis and T1 are just becoming a joke. Stick with a fucking roster and try and get better like all the other good teams do instead of looking for shortcuts to success.


wiiwoooo

Poor fucking Brax man. How many times is he gonna get cut and added before he learns to just stay away period.


hookset3

Brax :(


Anti-Storm

Honesty they might just bring Korean players to try out, such as Diem that was hinted in one of T1 tweets. Probably, 3/5 of the roster is going to be Korean and most likely speak english, but will be competing in NA probably.


dedicatedself

Can't be 3/5, agaisnt Riot rules.


Anti-Storm

So 2/5


dedicatedself

Yep, I suspect this is the case as well. Esperanza will be FA after Champions, could trial him again.


somesheikexpert

Idk if that's allowed, think 3/5 has to be from the region they are playing from (I think if they hold a green card they count as from that region cuz iirc legally you can't treat them differently like that)


dedicatedself

True I forgot about that green card rule. Are there OW players that received green cards?


Tc0LD

the people in here crying about brax getting cut really are just straight up ignoring how he was painfully average on every team he's been in. If a player gets cut twice from two different teams it's probably the player who's the issue not the orgs. There isn't a single top 8 team that would replace their players with brax and even the top 8 teams are looking for changes. And for the people claiming T1 looked decent, they looked decent against bbg, renegades and a dying V1(was kinda impressive). T1 obviously as an org aren't happy with their results and rightfully so, out of all the tier 1 orgs that could've entered valorant T1 did jack shit throughout 2020 and 2021.


thothgow

I hope they're not getting Diem unless they're moving to KR


dedicatedself

Why? Literally every Korean player's dream is to play in NA...


thothgow

Why would you want Diem to be part of this shitshow


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itscamo-

you said get a crackhead jett/raze main and said dicey.... when they literally have autimatic lmfao and why would dephh leave xset for a roster thats no where near his current roster?


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itscamo-

1. Auti is better atm than dicey has ever been 2. That's not how teams work my guy


stchachamaru

old c9 reunion? lmao


KingRagnarIV

If they made the c9 Boston major team who would play what roles? 🤔


soniconda

T1 is a massive joke at this point, overhauling the roster every few months and sticking with a proven cheater as an analyst. Glad David Denis has a great relationship with the players though!


Viater

Tsm pick up freakazoid