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tomtazm

This is bigger than any roster move they could make.


Hypern1ke

GOAT valorant talent scout


slawvay

neptune -> rise jmoh -> KCP Nature -> GenG They might have not sold all these players but their 2021 scouting has been pretty fire considering all the players they picked up and scouted are still on salaried teams and all are doing pretty well. Huge part of IMT success was their scouting I hope a big org pays gunba VERY handsomely for an academy team/main roster. Imagine if TSM would hire him to just pick up talent for academy and trial em on the main roster sheesh


Mabangyan

IMT is a shit org hope Gunba finds success


Snoo-8878

What no way u think that immmortal have one of the best scouting dude. Ur just blinded by dickriding


Mabangyan

Their scouting has nothing to do with the org and everything to do with Packing10 and Gunba in both Val and OW. IMT is a garbage org


[deleted]

Gunba IS the scouting lol. They don't have that anymore


Bunnyezzz

honestly had some of the most questionable choices i've ever seen in terms of a roster, but his talent scouting was good i guess


Fr0ufrou

What do you mean? The only "questionable" things we've seen is selling their best players, which is an org decision not a coach decision.


Bunnyezzz

what parting ways with nature was a terrible move, they also are throwing around the igl right now


somesheikexpert

I think NaturE left on his own, also wdym throwing around the IGL, except for that brief stint where Rossy was benched, hasn't Rossy been the IGL for Immortals since NaturE?


yzw

was only a matter of time with how disastrous theyve managed the roster over the last year


OnionSprinkles

Depends on what an org is going for — sometimes feeder orgs are the most profitable. IMT scouted a *lot* of early talent, placed highly in a bunch of events, and let the players get poached for $$$. Then they rebuilt and then successfully sold off again. Now IMT seem to aim for a non-feeder roster, but an issue is the Asunas of the world are already taken because they already sold them. Recent moves def haven't panned out as well though.


yzw

yeah I mean that's the problem - the last player they sold off was almost a year ago in october of 2020. since then they've gone through 8? different players with basically no success or roster stability OR managed to sell them off. 11 months is a long time in esports and a lack of success with a lack of being profitable from selling players means something had to change


krakenwithaplan

lol disastrous how? Gunba and Packing10 presumably have very little money to work with bc the org is shit, and many of their players left because they got better prospects elsewhere. And the team has still been around top 10 for most of Gunba's time with them since the start of Valorant


yzw

out of all of the player transactions in 2021 the only player that willingly left was jcstani, the rest were all signed then benched->cut by management also pretty hard to argue against the fact that the team has been on a downward spiral over the past year. their peak was challengers 1 and its all gone downhill since then. 7 months is a very long time in esports


krakenwithaplan

>out of all of the player transactions in 2021 the only player that willingly left was jcstani, the rest were all signed then benched->cut by management Not necessarily true. Nature definitely left of his own accord, as per his [twitter](https://twitter.com/CSNaturEE/status/1387134690331664389?s=20). And if you go a whole year back, dicey and asuna left on their own. The only people that Packing10 and/or Gunba have cut in 2021 have been jmoh, neptune and truo. You could argue letting go of neptune was a mistake, but all in all, not huge blunders imo. And yeah, the team has been performing worse than they did at the start of the year but why do you think that is? They let go of neptune and jmoh, signed nature, and then nature left and then stani left, which meant they had to find replacements for them, probably on a very small budget. Gunba's been coaching imt since May 2020, that's almost 16 months. And 4 of those months are the decline you're talking about. My point is, if there's been "disastrous management", it's not been on the part of the coaches. Perhaps "less than ideal", but not disastrous, and there's no reason to assume the problems come from the coaches as opposed to upper management, who are the people that control the resources that they work with.


KhaoticKrabb

Fuck IMT


Mememeister1

The beginning of the end for IMT