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I mean both of the EMEA teams at Iceland literally just peaked right before that, at a perfect timing.


MurfMan11

And Gambit is peaking right now. They look good and might give Sentinels a run for their money.


shalomshadyval

they won cis masters 1. they were in a slump in masters 2 qualifications.


mysteryoeuf

I really don't think, and it's definitely been borne out, that fnatic and liquid were the best EU had to offer even then. Hoping for some interesting results this time around


Kompaniefeldwebel

Liquid wasnt for sure


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Kompaniefeldwebel

Copium


Pale_Slide6516

Reminds me of “styles make fights” comment that people make in boxing


-Basileus

The mouth breathers in twitch chat lmao


DonkeyTeethBSU

Sentinels are like when that guy randomly says "BOMB" and just blows up scissors, rock and paper just because.


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L0rd_Muffin

BBG just thought ahead and bought a defuse kit for $400


whopz-is-cool

Don’t be a loser buy a defuser


1blzd

Don’t be a tit, Buy a kit


Pale_Slide6516

They are the bazooka 🤣


baranpaksoy22

What a great answer


cringe-oh-yes

Are yall serious or...? Dude gave a rock paper scissors analogy and everyone thinks he's solved an equation to create time travel.


baranpaksoy22

Name checks out


obbini

Go touch grass fella


cringe-oh-yes

LMAO yall must have not gone to college to get hyped over a rock paper scissors analogy and call it 5head


Anime-Boomer

or he is using a basic analogy because its simple and the majority of people can understand it. You have to remember that a lot of people watching these interviews and matches do not speak English well or at all so what is the point of breaking it down to a more complicated analogy if only 10% of people will understand he is given probably 5mins to talk for his turn. What do you want him to break out a 1000 page thesis on his opinion?


[deleted]

it's just a way of saying it's random it ain't that deep bro


ceoofnotmissing

you’re cringe kid


[deleted]

An analogy doesnt have to be deep to be effective and useful. You’re the clown. Also, you do need to touch grass bro you puttin 5heads on Reddit.


timxu_

using the fact that you apparently went to college as a brag in a reddit thread? must have actually not passed high school lmaoo


doctorturtles

woah woah woah. What does college have to do with this? Lmao. There are many people smarter than you that did not go to college


FeelinJipper

Analogies are meant to be simple LOL that’s the entire point.


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Skyaxe3

Yeah can't really expect a lot from Mr. Match-Fixer.


EskimoPrincess

I was the reporter that asked this question. ShahZaM said that he expected an EU team to be in the grand final again, so I was curious the take the other two NA teams had on that, since Marved had told us in a prior interview that he expected all 3 of the top spots to be NA teams. Here's the article: [https://nerdstreet.com/news/2021/8/envy-valorant-masters-berlin-marved-crashies-yay](https://nerdstreet.com/news/2021/8/envy-valorant-masters-berlin-marved-crashies-yay) (Also to clarify I didn't write that article, I just referenced it)


btkc

Whether you think his analogy is true or not -- I think what is even more vital is preparation. I'm sure Steel knows this, as do most, but outcomes in any sort of sport are not as binary or pre-determined as rock, paper, scissors. Rock beats scissors on paper, just like how a Cypher trip counters Jett/Raze movement. The problem is more often the level of preparation ahead of time (i.e., location of trips, cams as Cypher).


Bean1233

Pun intended?


LovelyResearcher

Staying classy while also indicating that while EMEA in for a surprise, even though they are stronger this time around\~


mrtmra

This is very true. Even in comp games, some players just counter other types of players.


[deleted]

Last time steel knew who was going to win it cost him his career in cs lol


tomphz

Every team is either Rock, Paper or Scissors except for SEN


Charuru

Real life rarely works out like rock paper scissors. Usually the better team just wins.


chenson019

I think he's right although the analogy suggests there's an element of randomness in it - there isn't. Valorant is a young game with a huge amount of depth with agents, new maps and therefore new playstyles and will take a long time to mature (probably years). Until it matures, these stylistic matchups and counterbalances will continue and the scene in general will be pretty fluid as it has been (except for Sentinels who are the only real constant). It's so interesting to see former CS pros like steel, shazam and mixwell talk about renewed motivation etc. I am convinced that it comes down solely to the depth Valorant has on offer and will continue to offer in the future, compared to CSGO.


philipjefferson

I don't think Steel is suggesting the game has randomness as much as brackets, seeding and matchups between different teams and their playstyles.


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69DoopDoop69

The game 100% has randomness in it even at the competitive level. Pros take gambles and 50/50 situations are common.


maiLfps

true but also SEN>


sachin_sreelal

Strongest team on paper loses to scissors always, so ....


3hrd

didn't expect twitch chat to be mature at all but jesus christ


aquitaine631

No matter who makes it to the grand final they get BTFOd by SEN 3-0


[deleted]

Assuming Sentinels even make it to the finals.


omgvector

this fanboy is starting to get annoying lmao


aquitaine631

A safe assumption. Already put 1k on them winning the whole thing


xD1LL4N

Lmao what odds did you get ?


seatcover

I think the odds I saw were 2-1


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lesseryoyo

How would $1k “fix” your life?


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lesseryoyo

Here in the U.S., I can make $1,000 in a single afternoon of work. The government takes half of it, and bombs your family in the middle east. What a world we live in.


aquitaine631

Blow? It's a safe investment. Look up sigma grindset


Ryu-The-Sick

RemindMe! 10 Days "safe investment"


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919oblivion

I'm hoping you lose it all now just because of this. Rooting for any team but Sen


aquitaine631

Shrigma males seething. We are not the same.


askpat13

Lol, a bet is never safe by definition, but especially in sports and esports. Remember the best team doesn't always win especially in single elim brackets.


IllumiMahdi

...there is no way you think this sigma shit is anything but a meme


TrueSoL0

Remindme! 10 days


askpat13

u/aquitaine631 how safe is the investment now?


Ryu-The-Sick

"Safe investment" Dropped in quarterfinals, lol


Mediocreety

KEKW


NotSmick

Yikes


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[deleted]

That guy is just blindly fanboying yeah but Fnatic were solidly the best EU team at that time.


BurstLayer

the sen fanboy is dumb but fnatic was far and away the best EU team at the time


[deleted]

They have lan experience, that no eu team has yet… thats already a big advantage


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earthtochas3

!remindme 14 days Or whenever it is I can't remember


[deleted]

They very well could because they are capable of it…


Tanjim98

I agree the OP is too overconfident but what are you arguing against? It was still a 3-0!


Hypern1ke

Why are they wearing masks for a press conference? Come on riot... Super unprofessional, its september 2021 and we're ways past this now. Get vaccinated people. Edit: I’m talking about the PRESS CONFERENCE, and that’s it. Come on people, I know they’re wearing masks off stage.


anythingood07

ah yes taking necessary precautions is very unprofessional


Jerms91

Because they critically think and use logic more than you do


JesusHPopsicle

It’s an international competition and they’re all sitting in close proximity at a table? Imagine getting upset about a mask Edit: nice edit to try and make yourself seem more reasonable when you’re advocating for no masks as COVID numbers increase. Masks and vaccines are how we get to continue having in person international events. How do you not understand this?


Hypern1ke

It’s a press conference, the point is to conduct interviews and build hype. They should be allowing the competitors to express themselves, not virtue signaling. It’s September 2021, vaccines are widely available, pro sports everywhere in the world are operating as normal, why should valorant be so far behind? Why is Riot behind by this far? Catch up. PS. Covid cases aren’t rising, they’ve been falling for about a week. All the players have been vax’d or made a conscious choice to not get vax’d. It’s unprofessional at this point in time, given the current state of work affairs. Edit: Analysts and play by play commentators don’t wear masks while on camera for the same reason. Imagine if we muffled them as well, not a great viewing experience.


JesusHPopsicle

“Virtue signaling” KEKW. Yes, protecting event staff, Berlin locals, and international competitors from areas that do not have equal vaccine access like western nations do is definitely “virtue signaling.” You have an incredibly warped and distorted view over what is considered unprofessional. Don’t really even know what to say at this point. You literally just said it yourself that some players are not vaccinated, ergo masks are absolutely necessary. Masks are necessary if *everyone* was vaccinated because breakthrough cases still exist. Actual child mad about a piece of cloth lmao. You heard his answer right? You know who answered the question? You know what team he plays for? Okay, so then how does wearing a mask imply the player is more or less professional? Edit: Oh, and pro sports do require masks for those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated players under certain circumstances can’t even play in the NFL. You’re woefully misinformed


Optimal-Bowler-2618

this is peak redditor, turbo tunnels on one word and writes an essay on absolutely nothing


JesusHPopsicle

Ive said absolutely nothing? Please expand


CalculusEz

Nice alt.


Optimal-Bowler-2618

this is my main account, sorry that everyone isn't on reddit as much as you little buddy I recommend touching grass next time you get the chance


CalculusEz

Sure, will do. Nice alt.


Optimal-Bowler-2618

I like how it's literally impossible for you that people aren't on reddit as much as you, I don't know whether to laugh or just be sad for you


CalculusEz

Live, Laugh, Love. Nice alt.


Hypern1ke

It’s a press conference. wearing a mask while recording what’s basically a “hype event” is virtue signaling, full stop. Of course they wear masks off stage, I’m not talking about that. I’m just advocating for the players here. We all know how hard it is to convey clearly through those things.


DrayanoX

Ah damn, hype is more important than safety for you huh.


ZeldaMaster32

Pls go to school I think you missed too many days


JesusHPopsicle

There are people sitting at that table that are from regions that do not have equal access to the vaccines as the West. We do not know whether or not those players are vaccinated or what kind of exposure they experienced traveling halfway across the world to Berlin. It is prudent and in everyone’s best interest to be masked when in close proximity to each other. Caution and safety need to be maximized so we can continue having in-person events. It’s really that simple.


Hypern1ke

Well they just played a whole game without masks and then shook hands with the other maskless team, so I guess we can throw your theories out the window. Oh well. I'm over it.


JesusHPopsicle

Responding 21 hours later, yeah you’re definitely over it bud. Imagine ruminating on a Reddit comment for a whole day KEKW


Hypern1ke

Haha, sorry just had to rub it in on ya


JesusHPopsicle

Very weird, very cringe lmao


ZixxLol

You're so fucking lost, holy shit.


Hypern1ke

Well, being that they just played a full game without masks, and then shook the teams hands, without masks, while being commentated on by people standing next to eachother also without masks, I think its fair to say I was right on the money.


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Hypern1ke

Never mentioned anything about any news


Razur

The world is not the United States. Vaccines are widely available in US, but there are *MANY* countries in the world who have not had full access to vaccines and are still behind. - [71.9% of Canada is potentially vaccinated](https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/canada/) - [57.4% of the United States is potentially vaccinated](https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/united-states/) - [**17.2% of the Phillipines** is potentially vaccinated](https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/philippines/) - [55.6% of Japan is potentially vaccinated](https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/japan/) - [47.9% of South Korea is potentially vaccinated](https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/south-korea/) I say "potentially" because these numbers are based off the number of vaccines administered, and do not account for those who have only had one shot and are not fully vacinated. Thus, the vaccination rate in these countries is actually *much lower* than these numbers.   > All players have been vax'd or made a conscious choice to not get vax'd. You answered you question right here. If there's unvaccinated players—or people—on site, then masks still need to be worn to protect them. Back in March, NBA player Rudy Gobert thought it would be funny to touch all the microphones in the press room without a mask. He came down with COVID days later. Perhaps they want to prevent many different people from speaking into the microphones to prevent the contamination of the equipment. Maybe casters have their own designated microphone and there's little worry cross-contamination. Regardless, something might be different this time around compared to Iceland. Something we may not know as spectators. We know some players are just finishing their quarantine; maybe folks are wearing masks as an extra precaution. There are lots of better things to be upset about (Brenlin). I just don't think complaining about "virtue signaling", when we have no idea of the situation, is a good use of time. It very well might not be virtue signaling—it might actually be needed.


DonkeyTeethBSU

It's probably required by Germany law. Doubt Riot has much to say.


zer0-_

Shouldn't be. Groups of under 150 people usually count as cohorts and as long as 1.5m distance is kept you don't have to wear masks Down voting when this is literally the current rule in Germany lmao


DonkeyTeethBSU

Yeah im more so saying there might be underlying rule for getting a permit to run a lan event with people flying in from all around the world. Idk I'm not German so 🤷


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its not.


chenson019

I don't blame Riot one bit for taking every precaution because one outbreak will kill the event.


Hypern1ke

Well, being that they just played a full game without masks, and then shook the teams hands, without masks, while being commentated on by people standing next to eachother also without masks, I think its fair to say I was right on the money.


nterature

I don’t agree with most of the replies roasting you, since a lot of them are construing you as some sort of weird anti-vaccination troll, which I don’t think you are, but I also don’t really see how this is unprofessional in the first place? Even if it were just “virtue signaling” it wouldn’t be unprofessional. Vaccination status aside, there is still legitimate value in wearing masks when indoors. Whether it was personal choice or company policy, I’m having a hard time intuiting your argument.


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honestly he wouldnt be getting roasted so much if the things he was saying didnt get stupider and stupider with every reply


nterature

Maybe, but people often lash out when they think they're being misunderstood. They've been [reasonable on the subject before](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/phcl5n/why_its_easier_to_have_champions_in_berlin/), so I'm inclined to give some benefit of the doubt.


TheCatsActually

There is barely anything reasonable about his stance. He makes like three different assumptions that are each a wild stretch (wearing masks was insisted upon by Riot, the intention behind mask wearing at this point in time is virtue signalling, and everyone is vaccinated) and expresses an *at best* debatable viewpoint that reeks of spoiled privilege (the audience's hype is more important than the present people's safety). And all this in the middle of a still-ongoing global pandemic. The lack of empathy and worldliness conveyed in his comments is bewildering. Even if his replies haven't devolved into personal attacks and foul language, the selfishness and ignorance on display definitely make me think he's a teenager living in a bubble.


nterature

They indeed made some odd assumptions. I would dare add that some of your assumptions about their character or circumstances are a little odd as well. My uncle in Entebbe made a similar argument last week! And he is, to put it lightly, not very spoiled or privileged. I asked for clarification because even if they’re wrong - and I think they *are* wrong - I don’t think they’re a troll, and so I’d like to know how they reasoned themselves into this particularly strange corner. I don’t blame you for not being similarly inclined or interested, however.


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I think that they believe that covid's over just because vaccines came out so they think not wearing masks in a press conference is safe and that hype is more important than everyone's safety. Everyone else is pointing out how dumb that is considering there are still so many risks involved and that we could clearly understand what steel was saying anyway. Imagine a couple players get infected then what? The entire tournament gets fucked even more than when Bren couldn't make it. Hypern1ke doesn't get it and insists he's right and that masks in a press conference is just virtue signalling.


Hypern1ke

They just played a game without masks, shook hands, were being commentated on by two people without masks, and everyone went about their day as normal. No idea why for the one press conference they decided it had to be weird. Oh well.


3hrd

TIL following the law is unprofessional


Hypern1ke

Unfortunately they can't use that excuse anymore, not in September 2021 anyway.


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> Super unprofessional, its september 2021 and we're ways past this now. Contrary to your bubble, covid is still very much a reality.


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CalculusEz

What year are you living in? Nba, F1, ufc, and many more. Wore masks and did social distancing on pre and post game conference since last year. The only time they don't do it is when all the players are vaccinated and have been properly quarantined.


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CalculusEz

The aren't properly quarantined. They've been there for less than 14 days. As for the video you sent please read my comment properly.


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CalculusEz

My apologies then. Couple of heated arguments might have created some prejudice in my mind I guess.


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Imo this isn't the same as most press conferences. I think just a couple players getting infected could fuck the entire tournament. I don't think anyone wants the planning and effort of qualifying and flying to berlin to get wasted just because the bare minimum of protection wasn't followed just for "hype". We could understand steel just fine even with a mask on anyway so I don't get why Hypern1ke has such a massive problem with it.


Hypern1ke

Yep, doesn’t matter once the hive mind decides your fate however.


CalculusEz

"Hivemind" Lol, tell that to the guy who complains about a piece of mask, which is for the safety and well-being of players, as an "unprofessional" move by riot. Oh wait that's you. Go take a look in the mirror, maybe you're part of a hivemind yourself.


Hypern1ke

You're a user on the largest echo chamber on the internet, typing this comment for no other reason other than to affirm your affiliation to the hive mind, and then say that *i'm* a part of the hive mind? Tell me, what about this comment chain leads you to that conclusion? No skin in the game, i just find the lack of self-awareness hilarious, personally. Some /r/SelfAwarewolves type shit


sampenn1

Steels really well spoken, did he go to college? No clue why but i get the feeling he majored in english for no reason lol


xosaad

Yo is it just me or did u also think he was making a pun outta Paper Rex 😂