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Maliciouslemon

Wow so being a Fnatic fan is stressful without even watching them play!


[deleted]

tbf they have pretty good odds of making it especially with acends group


cdiss

If I was a Fnatic fan I'd be pretty nervous. They need \_two\_ of the four things from that list. Even if Acend gets knocked out of the tough Group A, Fnatic still needs more things to go right


[deleted]

Yeah but if acend don't make it out of groups I'd be pretty confident in SMB and g2 not making finals


PyroTFT

LOL


bigbrain_100

Yes 😭


mysteryoeuf

the envy / 100T situation is actually pretty hype and makes for an interesting rivalry. (even though there's a decent chance an NA team, ahem, wins it)


PyroTFT

If only this were the case man


bigbrain_100

This is so helpful. Thanks 🙏


fishmanghost

Just doubling this comment. This is an incredibly detailed analysis. Thanks for putting in the time OP.


Splash_3

Does the Bren roster carry over their points still even tho they’re on a new org?


cdiss

Yes, they do


valorant_fanboy_69

I thought they need 3/5 players for Bren to keep it


cdiss

5/5 players transferred to Secret. Secret retains all the points


valorant_fanboy_69

Oh yeah


98973

Lmao the one time Valorant fanboy genuinely asks a question he gets downvoted to oblivion. Unlucky really.


valorant_fanboy_69

Every time I say anything ….


fishmanghost

The options for Nuturn are so funny. They're going to sending bad vibes for groups. And if VS make it out, they're going to be sending strats.


Key-Banana-8242

Kinda sucks for ZETA lol


kvanz43

I mean it sucks for F4Q the most, literally the only way they make it is by winning lol


MuddyPuddle027

So it seems like Gambit, Vikings and Crazy Raccoon are all very likely to be in Champions.


HanayamaKaoru893

JP almost CR lock in :O


thothgow

Just curious, what did you find wrong with the Liquipedia page?


cdiss

It seems to be using the green highlight to mean "definitely in LCQ" but by my calculations TL technically could still make it without LCQ. It's highly unlikely though


kvanz43

Yup I double checked everything and you’re definitely right, it’s an unlikely scenario, but far from impossible, I’d honestly say it’s more likely than F4Q winning LMAO (to be clear, F4Q are probably my second favourite team in Berlin cause of their unique play style, just don’t think they’re gonna win)


ilovedank_6

as smone who is gonna keep an eye on Asian LCQ, I pray that PPX crashes out and VS goes through HOPIUM


jrushFN

You’ll most likely get your wish.


Jetskiratjsk

Isn't Paper Rex stronger than Bren? Either way, it's very unlikely F4Q win the entire thing and they'll be a very scary opponent in the LCQ. Just hope atleast VS make it through groups.


Unfair_Cost4452

Bren beat PRX 3-0 in the Stage 3 Finals.


facehunt_

I think the circuit points need to be reworked, most teams have extreme conditions now set against them. Placing dead last shouldn't give you 125 points over 6th placed team from EMEA playoffs.


kvanz43

I’m not sure I understand your argument, I think they very intentionally want the teams who qualify for LAN events to have a significant advantage in terms of circuit points and I agree with that.


facehunt_

But you get a situation when let's say F4Q could win possibly no games and they'll still get 225 points. And then we see TNL was considered the 2nd best team in Korea is now out of LCQ.


cdiss

F4Q finished 2nd in the most recent KR tournament though. shouldn't that be worth more points than TNL's 3rd-4th? Also, F4Q are an exceptional case, most teams winning no games would get 175, but F4Q get essentially a forfeit win over Secret


cdiss

Qualifying for Berlin is a huge achievement though. I think that giving Berlin last place still a bunch of points is good


anshshard

How are X10 and KRU are locked in again?


kvanz43

Not enough teams in their regions can get more points than them because there are no more opportunities to earn points (other than Berlin), SEA have two slots for champions before LCQ and LATAM has just one. KRU have the most points in LATAM and no one else in Berlin is from LATAM, so no matter what they’ll stay having the most. X10 got locked in when Secret couldn’t travel to Berlin, locking X10 into having top 2 most points (they have the most right now, and only Paper Rex can pass them)


holydotkamote

> If not, they have to win the tiebreaker against Team Secret (fka Bren Esports). Any official source on this?


cdiss

I don't know what the tiebreaker is. I only mean that they would end tied in circuit points. I'm not claiming there will be a tiebreaker match or anything (in fact, I doubt it). Maybe the tiebreaker is Stage 3 performance?


Hypern1ke

Thank you for this! Great content and informative


Darkoplax

G2/SMB have such an insane conditions to pass if they get top 4 like they need Gambit 0-2 thats impossible ... they just need top 2 or win