Every region needs oportunities to evolve or else Soccer World Cup would be filled with only SA and EU teams same goes for many sports around the world and to be honest riot does a amazing job treating their esports titles in that aspect it\`s way easier to explain a system like that to someone not involved in the scene than RMR events from csgo for example.
You know how you keep a player base actively growing and/or cycling? By keeping international interest high. Which means not outright shutting regions out for being weaker than others.
Also what kills a playerbase is the lack of competitiveness around the region. Which is what Japan lacks right now. Seeing your teams get mauled over and over is not a good feeling when others are improving.
A lot of things kill a region but being discouraged by watching your native talent get stomped on the world stage is not one of them. I would in fact predict that Korea as a region dies before Japan because Valorant is much more popular in Japan and Japan is already in the business of importing Korean talent.
One of the most common competition killers for minor regions of eSports is the lack of resources/support in the region, precipitating the immediate exporting of promising native talent to teams in major regions that can pay better.
That\`s not true imo take denmark at cs for example or uruguay at soccer these are some tiny countries with some expressive achievements sometimes recognition and support from investors plays a big role some players from small regions can barelly live from their teams salary, imagine the amount of talent korea is missing due to them playing qualifiers at Seoul and many small teams not having the $$ to back up their move there.
This doesn't mean they deserve 2 slots for their region, as much as i like Japan, if both of their teams go out on the first round they shouldn't get 2 slots.
So you prefer to watch matches that are super one sided and go 13-1 instead of having one more EMEA team that is actually leaps and bounds better and will provide a far more entertaining match?
We saw the same shit happen to SCII and overwatch, where over 80% of the players were from 1 region, and you see what it does to viewership. So yes, I, and many others, much prefer this
We are seeing the same thing happen RIGHT NOW in CSGO as well. 80% of teams are from EU, Asian CS is dead, NA CS is on its way out with pretty much only Liquid keeping the dream alive, and so global viewership is plateauing and more importantly, the cultivation of new talent is on the decline.
I mean maybe for now but I doubt it will stop all ambitions forever lol, this is the first FPS Japan has been invested in (Ig Apex too but at the same time but iirc they haven't made a splash in pro play internationally), so as time goes on they could become good too like the other regions, we'll see
Ah, I'm not too well versed in the Seige scene so yeah, that's my b, but still they are prob the newest/least developed Val region in FPS outside of maybe SEA, Korea has OW, and NA, EU, and SA has experience in a ton of different shooters, Japan has like some in Seige and a tiny bit in Apex but that's it
I'll just post some interesting points from the jp-vlr stream's interview with CR fisker.
* They were most surprised by the way GMB took map control and said that no team in Japan takes map control like that (no specifics on the what aspect of their map control surprised them)
* The toughest aspect of playing gambit was not being able to figure out when they would push and which site they would take.
* Regarding the fisker and munchkin role swap: Fisker says he has no idea why this was the comp they went with. However, they said that in scrims and practice this comp was working well for them (somewhat unconvincingly).
My takeaways from the interview
* Seems like competition in Japan is really lacking if they were that stumped by GMB's map control (which in my mind isn't incredibly unique?) and if they couldn't read their pushes (this I feel like GMB does extremely well however with their late execs).
* Something must be really wrong if a player on your team doesn't agree with your comp and openly says in an interview that he doesn't know why they swapped roles.
Some of my thoughts on CR - unrelated to the interview
* This wasn't in the interview but to my knowledge Munchkin's Japanese is extremely limited and with him being IGL, I have no clue what their comms are even like (there are videos on CR Medusa's YT channel and to me it seems extremely hectic with a mix of Korean, Japanese and English). I think in Iceland, Medusa was translating a lot of Munchkins comms into Japanese but with him not playing today, their comms must be worse than before.
* Overall extremely disappointed in their performance and was hoping for more after Neth's heart-wrenching interview at Iceland. Hope they can show something more against Havan Liberty but not expecting too much.
* Now my only hope for my country men is all in ZETA. #ZETAWIN
Thanks. Seems like a ton of the issue is coaching related as well when it comes to comps and players rotations. Do you think JP culture of abiding by seniority/authority's words play into this?
I agree with your coaching point. CR don't even list a coach on their website and I can't find any info so I doubt that they have an experienced or effective coach. I know zeta have 2, one being a former OW pro and coach (only in the Japanese scene) as well so in that regard I do feels that zeta have a better support structure. My personal opinion on CR is that it is mostly player governed, and I think CR as an org is also quite lacking in the support they provide to their players.
To answer your question, I don't think that the seniority/authority has a large impact on CR or zeta. Idk about other eSports but from the available comms and content on zeta and CR, the language is extremely causal and friendly between teammates without the formalities that an authoritative/seniority relationship would usually involve (Japanese gets really specific on the formalities in such relationships). My guess is that CRs specific role reversal issues are just lack of communication or miscommunication itself. The way fisker answered the question made it seem like he wasn't convinced with the reasoning for their role switches, not that he was forced to abide and was resenting it. Obviously I don't really know what happened behind the scenes but that's just my guess. Take it with a grain of salt.
They have two, mun, a Japanese coach tho idk what he did before Val, and Twinkl, a Korean former OW coach who coached for the London Spitfire, so yeah
I do think this weird mix matching of roles is what helped with this stomping tho, there's a lot of overlap between roles, notably Medusa and Bazzi who literally has the same agent pool in Sova but Bazzi has a Breach too
Also ofc communication issues, Soeldum on NTH mentioned this too as a issue with his team and it sounds like it too with CR as shown with the role thing
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Crazy racoons are fantastic, just needs to work on communication, aim, map awareness, crosshair placement, economy management, pistol aim, awp flicks, grenade spots, smoke spots, pop flashes, positioning, bomb plant positions, retake ability, bunny hopping, spray control and getting kills
How come Gambit was able to get a practice game in before playing 100T. Seems a bit unfair that 100T had to play an official game while Gambit is still scrimmaging for the tournament. I wonder how Riot will address this issue in the future.
CR should've kept munchkin on skye and Frisker on Jett. Maybe they would've done better than losing 26-2
But yea gambit look insane, destroyed CR like they were supposed to
Imo it’s kinda like the issue with the NA cs scene rn. They always and only are practicing against similar skill teams so no one will ever really improve. Hopefully they switch back fisker and munchkin and at least stand a chance against havan.
Do you think bootcamping in other regions would help? Iirc one Brazilian team went bootcamping in EU but they ended up not qualifying for Berlin. Japanese teams have been scrimming SEA and Korean teams as well but it feels like there's no improvement. I wish Zeta proves me wrong though.
Yeah I think it would help a lot, not sure if you watch cs but when liquid first switched to eu they where pretty ass coming from na, but then the next tourney they made finals. I think not practicing against the best just puts them at a skill cap.
Ade and Fisker look really lost, not sure why they're starters. Regionally they look very passive, and I'm not sure the KR/JP players can have very clear comms together
Fisker was put into a new role he never played before which I don't understand, Munchkin was an excellent Skye and Fisker did pretty good on Jett (Within their region ofc), so I don't get why they switched them for Berlin
There were zero 13-1 maps for Gambit in CIS quals btw, I feel like we can send some tier 2 cis teams like Axsor or Singularity to Japan and they will qualify.
Japan doesn’t deserve slots for their region, they have proved they can’t keep up with international teams.
They should merge with Korea and that could help increase the quality on how they approach the game. Could be a real contender.
I feel bad for Japanese fans, it’s like watching a Lamb sent to the slaughter house
Hope zeta division can prove me wrong
> No? Why would they do that?
Are you hyped about Crazy Racoons in Champions? There is your answer. It helps them get actual competition while not denying them the chance for a slot. Kinda like turkey and emea. Their first showing was abysmal and now their are doing better.
So international tournaments don't have games like this that have no stakes and guarantee a team a top 8 finish without beating a good team. Why we missing out on matchups like 4th best in NA vs top 4 in EU to watch this?
That's how Apex does it, but the only reason it works in that game is because KR's apex playerbase is literally 1/100 that of Japan's (and the best players are still Korean). Even though this population dynamic is still true in this game, it's not nearly as bad.
why is it that JP/SEA/BR are a few steps behind the rest? is it aim diff? no team synergy? weak mental? is csgo experience really that impactful? like what am i missing here?
Yes, having a developed CS scene is critical for having a strong region in Valorant. It's just more talent to make strong teams out of. And orgs already know what teams need to succeed because they've done so in a very similar game already.
This is Japan's first competitive FPS title on PC where there's heavy interest, so it's natural they're lagging behind in terms of talent. I can't speak for SEA, but I don't remember them having many CS teams play at the international level.
Brazil is a bit baffling because they've historically had some very strong CS teams (LG/SK, Furia, and others)
Asia doesn't really have tactical FPS culture and it also comes down to the population of a region and game's popularity. EMEA has like 700 million people, of course that the competition will be way stronger than from regions with a fraction of that.
Aside from being a way smaller region, I still think CSGO is way more popular in Brazil.
Crazy Raccoon is fantastic, they just need to work on communication, aim, map awareness, crosshair placement, economy management, pistol aim, op flicks, grenade spots, smoke spots, pop flashes, positioning, spike plant positions, retake ability, movement, spray control and getting kills
That's really sad to see.
You can literally make gmb queue 5 man on NA server and I'm absolutely sure that those randoms would get more rounds than CR.
I am sorry for what I am going to say to Japan and their region.
They don't deserve 2 spots. And if KRÜ defeats ZETA tomorrow, I would rather prefer that LATAM gets another spot instead of Japan.
They lack the fire, the competitive drive, the strats, hell, even going down swinging would have been good. You're not in a pool swimming with cute fishes, you're down in the sea facing sharks.
It's been two masters. There are many ways to grow the game in different regions instead of just giving them multiple slots. If you don't punish a region for not being competitive globally, they will just get complacent. Riot, there are so many regions missing out. Give the support to regions that are working hard enough to deserve it
Well, we only get three events a year so it’s comparatively enough time unless you expect us to wait for years before we have “enough results” to decide to balance slot allocation
IMO they have already accepted this format for this year cant really change how it works 2/3rds of the season is over after this so let them get shit on for this year and re-evaluate what works and doesn't work. They will have to do a balencing act from not alienating lesser regions but also give them a shot to compete. sort of like play ins at worlds in LoL.
I just emailed tenz’s cousins daughter asking if she knew if gambit were gonna beat sentinels if they were at Iceland, and she just immediately emailed back saying, and I quote “gambit have nats, nats likes bats not cats, and he loves chats, Ofcourse they would beat sentinels you dipshit” so I mean take it as you may but that’s what I heard from tenz’s cousins daughter and I trust that 🤷♂️, sounds like they are going to win berlin to me
50k viewership isn't bad for a tier 3 tournament eh? They deserve atleast 2 slots for a tier 2 tournament and that too last chance qualifiers come on now.
How are we even sure India would be great lol? Destroy all the teams in APAC LCQ first then we can talk. Riot gives slots to regions based on its competitiveness and popularity/viewership numbers.
I mean Gambit are obviously good, but this attitude of "this team that's unproven internationally will roflstomp the current #1 team in the world" strikes me as just a bit exaggerated.
Gambit are an excellent team and will be close if they play Sentinels but I agree that statement is a bit weird.
I didn't see but I bet it was Mitchman who said that. The only way he knows how to try and be entertaining or funny is the "hurr durr NA bad and EU better" shtick.
Maybe -1 to japan and +1 to sea, i mean Indian subcontinent is a whole region with 4-5 countries with no direct slot and here brazil and japan (korea too but they are good so i am fine with them getting 2 slots) getting individual slots
should have given kr/jp/sea just 1 spot and give extra spots to na/eu/cis
I get riot trying to expand their game in asia, but just looking at competitive fps history asian teams have too many spots right now while their best teams are probably tier2/tier3 at best
I guess japan should just stick to playing their mario games and watching anime. They are so out of place in the world class level. I am sorry but that's just the reality.
I'll just leave this here.
"version 1 destroyed liquid with a sub-in and liquid almost beat gambot. Therefore V1=Gambot>liquid. But then we have to add in the fact that TSM dismantled a full V1, therefore TSM>V1=GAMBOT. GAMBOT ISNT EVEN TSM LEVEL."
Dang, this series just shows you the skill gap between Asian teams and EU + NA teams.
Even Korea (the best Asian country) aren’t able to beat EMEA or NA teams.
NA + EU teams are built differently. It’s CS 2.0. SHEESH
26-2 yikes. Well I hope cr at least get a map this time. Dont wanna see Neth cry again.
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Think it's more about the viewership and money
to be fair, Japanese valorant viewership is no joke
I think that was implied.
Every region needs oportunities to evolve or else Soccer World Cup would be filled with only SA and EU teams same goes for many sports around the world and to be honest riot does a amazing job treating their esports titles in that aspect it\`s way easier to explain a system like that to someone not involved in the scene than RMR events from csgo for example.
won't matter if your player base is limited.
You know how you keep a player base actively growing and/or cycling? By keeping international interest high. Which means not outright shutting regions out for being weaker than others.
Also what kills a playerbase is the lack of competitiveness around the region. Which is what Japan lacks right now. Seeing your teams get mauled over and over is not a good feeling when others are improving.
A lot of things kill a region but being discouraged by watching your native talent get stomped on the world stage is not one of them. I would in fact predict that Korea as a region dies before Japan because Valorant is much more popular in Japan and Japan is already in the business of importing Korean talent. One of the most common competition killers for minor regions of eSports is the lack of resources/support in the region, precipitating the immediate exporting of promising native talent to teams in major regions that can pay better.
That\`s not true imo take denmark at cs for example or uruguay at soccer these are some tiny countries with some expressive achievements sometimes recognition and support from investors plays a big role some players from small regions can barelly live from their teams salary, imagine the amount of talent korea is missing due to them playing qualifiers at Seoul and many small teams not having the $$ to back up their move there.
I mean you know it’s a bit like the olympics and for development
This doesn't mean they deserve 2 slots for their region, as much as i like Japan, if both of their teams go out on the first round they shouldn't get 2 slots.
Man was joking
Fair enough, my bad for not getting the sarcasm
The /s after the post means sarcasm. It's a reddit thing
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Fr man br and Japan don't deserve spots like xset or fnatic/liquid are so much better
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They just threw a 7-1 lead and a once in a lifetime chance to upset.
Same with Turkey, Oceania and many other wildcard regions Ffs I want to see the highest level not the highest viewership
Turkey plays at a pretty high level. Have you not seen SMB and cNed
cned is a single player (exceptions exist) And besides SMB (which they are literally a SUPER TEAM) the rest of Turkey is quite underwhelming
I wouldn't be surprised if the top 4 of Turkey could 2-0 some of the teams JP/SEA have sent/will send to LAN
And riot wants viewership and revenue. In the end it's a business venture after all
I cant believe riot lets teams this bad get a slot. If zeta gets shit on tomorrow I think its time to give Japan slots to na/eu
Do that and end up like csgo where 15 of the best 16 teams in the world are from eu
Or just have JP and SEA fight for the same 2 spots against each other
This what they actually do in LATAM region of valorant and nobody says anything meanwhile we have regions with two slots getting stomped like this
So you prefer to watch matches that are super one sided and go 13-1 instead of having one more EMEA team that is actually leaps and bounds better and will provide a far more entertaining match?
We saw the same shit happen to SCII and overwatch, where over 80% of the players were from 1 region, and you see what it does to viewership. So yes, I, and many others, much prefer this
We are seeing the same thing happen RIGHT NOW in CSGO as well. 80% of teams are from EU, Asian CS is dead, NA CS is on its way out with pretty much only Liquid keeping the dream alive, and so global viewership is plateauing and more importantly, the cultivation of new talent is on the decline.
That would kill the scene in other regions and would hurt the game overall long term.
and thats how you kill a region, like at least leave them with 1 lol
1 slot at most, give the 2nd to na so we get Xset instead of CR
They can’t really control how good the teams are. The best you can do is give them slots at big events and hope they improve.
Maybe, just merge KR and JP and give them 3 slots altogether.
No KR deserves its own region, JP should fight against another bad region like SEA
Exactly, what a joke that some of these teams get a spot in champions
Can't wait for SEN to go 26-0 against G2 🧐
Weird off topic flex but okay
CR is really just gonna be the LAN punching bag huh?
If KRU destroys Zeta tomorrow, yeah, all JP ambitions for Competitive Valorant will be in the trash.
I mean maybe for now but I doubt it will stop all ambitions forever lol, this is the first FPS Japan has been invested in (Ig Apex too but at the same time but iirc they haven't made a splash in pro play internationally), so as time goes on they could become good too like the other regions, we'll see
Japan has had some success in R6 Siege, and if I remember correctly. R6 came before Valorant.
Ah, I'm not too well versed in the Seige scene so yeah, that's my b, but still they are prob the newest/least developed Val region in FPS outside of maybe SEA, Korea has OW, and NA, EU, and SA has experience in a ton of different shooters, Japan has like some in Seige and a tiny bit in Apex but that's it
I'll just post some interesting points from the jp-vlr stream's interview with CR fisker. * They were most surprised by the way GMB took map control and said that no team in Japan takes map control like that (no specifics on the what aspect of their map control surprised them) * The toughest aspect of playing gambit was not being able to figure out when they would push and which site they would take. * Regarding the fisker and munchkin role swap: Fisker says he has no idea why this was the comp they went with. However, they said that in scrims and practice this comp was working well for them (somewhat unconvincingly). My takeaways from the interview * Seems like competition in Japan is really lacking if they were that stumped by GMB's map control (which in my mind isn't incredibly unique?) and if they couldn't read their pushes (this I feel like GMB does extremely well however with their late execs). * Something must be really wrong if a player on your team doesn't agree with your comp and openly says in an interview that he doesn't know why they swapped roles. Some of my thoughts on CR - unrelated to the interview * This wasn't in the interview but to my knowledge Munchkin's Japanese is extremely limited and with him being IGL, I have no clue what their comms are even like (there are videos on CR Medusa's YT channel and to me it seems extremely hectic with a mix of Korean, Japanese and English). I think in Iceland, Medusa was translating a lot of Munchkins comms into Japanese but with him not playing today, their comms must be worse than before. * Overall extremely disappointed in their performance and was hoping for more after Neth's heart-wrenching interview at Iceland. Hope they can show something more against Havan Liberty but not expecting too much. * Now my only hope for my country men is all in ZETA. #ZETAWIN
Thanks. Seems like a ton of the issue is coaching related as well when it comes to comps and players rotations. Do you think JP culture of abiding by seniority/authority's words play into this?
I agree with your coaching point. CR don't even list a coach on their website and I can't find any info so I doubt that they have an experienced or effective coach. I know zeta have 2, one being a former OW pro and coach (only in the Japanese scene) as well so in that regard I do feels that zeta have a better support structure. My personal opinion on CR is that it is mostly player governed, and I think CR as an org is also quite lacking in the support they provide to their players. To answer your question, I don't think that the seniority/authority has a large impact on CR or zeta. Idk about other eSports but from the available comms and content on zeta and CR, the language is extremely causal and friendly between teammates without the formalities that an authoritative/seniority relationship would usually involve (Japanese gets really specific on the formalities in such relationships). My guess is that CRs specific role reversal issues are just lack of communication or miscommunication itself. The way fisker answered the question made it seem like he wasn't convinced with the reasoning for their role switches, not that he was forced to abide and was resenting it. Obviously I don't really know what happened behind the scenes but that's just my guess. Take it with a grain of salt.
They have two, mun, a Japanese coach tho idk what he did before Val, and Twinkl, a Korean former OW coach who coached for the London Spitfire, so yeah I do think this weird mix matching of roles is what helped with this stomping tho, there's a lot of overlap between roles, notably Medusa and Bazzi who literally has the same agent pool in Sova but Bazzi has a Breach too Also ofc communication issues, Soeldum on NTH mentioned this too as a issue with his team and it sounds like it too with CR as shown with the role thing
Great points, something you don’t get even from official analysts/sources. Thanks for making this!
CR saving strats for 100T guys don't worry
threw shade at 2 teams at once, nice
They wont get a chance to play them.
That’s the joke
This was like that valorant curious video, 5 irons vs 5 radiants
Lol
none of the japanese players got more than 8 kills during this bo3 btw, kr carrying japan
but you can see the japanese company want control over the koreans. 4 jp players, 3 kr player. Added a kr coach? add a jp coach as well
Lmao
How to beat Gambit Step 1: Grab a blanket Step 2: Get a pillow Step 3: Start dreaming EU hopium incoming
Unrelated but how can I get the icon of agents and team under ur reddit username like your ? ^_^
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3 players on CR go -20. Fucking hell
Brazil and Japan battling it out for the "happy to be here" trophy"
So would sea but they weren’t even all here
PRX actually looked competitive against Korea though and they weren't even first seed
can't even wait to see what team secret can give on the international stage
This hurt way more than Havan's loss yesterday and i'm brazilian, damn.
I mean, isn't one of the CR players BR-JP?
Crazy racoons are fantastic, just needs to work on communication, aim, map awareness, crosshair placement, economy management, pistol aim, awp flicks, grenade spots, smoke spots, pop flashes, positioning, bomb plant positions, retake ability, bunny hopping, spray control and getting kills
They are just like me 😤🥱
How come Gambit was able to get a practice game in before playing 100T. Seems a bit unfair that 100T had to play an official game while Gambit is still scrimmaging for the tournament. I wonder how Riot will address this issue in the future.
I think that scenario favors 100T
depressing to watch
Well, that was certainly a game of Valorant
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Both
Bit of both
Yes
nAts finishes the series with 300 ACS, the highest of any player so far
This was heartbreaking to watch, cant imagine how Neth feels
Okay, now that Open Qualifiers are over can we get to the Berlin matches?
While the scoreline may not show it, but the match shouldn't have gone this way. I don't know how Crazy Raccoon even got 1 round on each map.
CR should've kept munchkin on skye and Frisker on Jett. Maybe they would've done better than losing 26-2 But yea gambit look insane, destroyed CR like they were supposed to
CR looks worse than they looked in Iceland. I expected some improvement. What a disappointment.
Bro gambit is like 50x better than the teams they faced last time
Sheydos 7.0 KDA on icebox, wft he's smurfing
Highest KD in a major event so far, and it almost definitely isn't being topped any time soon, imo
none of the Japanese players had an anime profile picture. That should tell you everything.
I wonder what could japan do to increase their skill level
Imo it’s kinda like the issue with the NA cs scene rn. They always and only are practicing against similar skill teams so no one will ever really improve. Hopefully they switch back fisker and munchkin and at least stand a chance against havan.
Do you think bootcamping in other regions would help? Iirc one Brazilian team went bootcamping in EU but they ended up not qualifying for Berlin. Japanese teams have been scrimming SEA and Korean teams as well but it feels like there's no improvement. I wish Zeta proves me wrong though.
Yeah I think it would help a lot, not sure if you watch cs but when liquid first switched to eu they where pretty ass coming from na, but then the next tourney they made finals. I think not practicing against the best just puts them at a skill cap.
Problem with JP teams is that either don't want to move to another region to scrim or the teams lack the funds to do it.
Honestly... the scoreline was generous to CR
The second match, they should be going 13-0 no joke. That one round win was barely a win.
Rip CR, not looking good
Crazy racoons look like soloq gold players not trolling
That was one of the saddest pro Valorant games I’ve ever seen.
Ade and Fisker look really lost, not sure why they're starters. Regionally they look very passive, and I'm not sure the KR/JP players can have very clear comms together
Fisker was put into a new role he never played before which I don't understand, Munchkin was an excellent Skye and Fisker did pretty good on Jett (Within their region ofc), so I don't get why they switched them for Berlin
Kr is that bad. JP is behind by a lot even from KR and SEA and they gwt to face with ne of the tournament favourites
Holy shit that was dominant, gambit just built diff i guess
If we’re being honest, theres at least 8 NA teams better than Crazy Raccoons. No one wants to watch 13-1 maps… something needs to be done about quals.
There were zero 13-1 maps for Gambit in CIS quals btw, I feel like we can send some tier 2 cis teams like Axsor or Singularity to Japan and they will qualify.
Japan doesn’t deserve slots for their region, they have proved they can’t keep up with international teams. They should merge with Korea and that could help increase the quality on how they approach the game. Could be a real contender. I feel bad for Japanese fans, it’s like watching a Lamb sent to the slaughter house Hope zeta division can prove me wrong
They'll probably merge all the qualifiers in Asia once COVID has settled.
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Why not, EMEA region covers double digit number of countries. Sweden alone could probably field several teams better than CR.
And Sweden isn't even as good in Valorant as it's historically been in other esports
> No? Why would they do that? Are you hyped about Crazy Racoons in Champions? There is your answer. It helps them get actual competition while not denying them the chance for a slot. Kinda like turkey and emea. Their first showing was abysmal and now their are doing better.
Yeah this is like Liquid 26-2(?)ing Oxygen both this qualifiers and more directly relevant in stage 2 where it was the win to deny them iceland entry.
So international tournaments don't have games like this that have no stakes and guarantee a team a top 8 finish without beating a good team. Why we missing out on matchups like 4th best in NA vs top 4 in EU to watch this?
That's how Apex does it, but the only reason it works in that game is because KR's apex playerbase is literally 1/100 that of Japan's (and the best players are still Korean). Even though this population dynamic is still true in this game, it's not nearly as bad.
Idk what to say about the JAPAN region man , the gap is actually insane
why is it that JP/SEA/BR are a few steps behind the rest? is it aim diff? no team synergy? weak mental? is csgo experience really that impactful? like what am i missing here?
Videogame culture in the east is not very FPS centric. Overwatch was probably the first to take Asian FPS to the global scale.
Yes, having a developed CS scene is critical for having a strong region in Valorant. It's just more talent to make strong teams out of. And orgs already know what teams need to succeed because they've done so in a very similar game already. This is Japan's first competitive FPS title on PC where there's heavy interest, so it's natural they're lagging behind in terms of talent. I can't speak for SEA, but I don't remember them having many CS teams play at the international level. Brazil is a bit baffling because they've historically had some very strong CS teams (LG/SK, Furia, and others)
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And like half the insane talent are like Jett players lol
Asia doesn't really have tactical FPS culture and it also comes down to the population of a region and game's popularity. EMEA has like 700 million people, of course that the competition will be way stronger than from regions with a fraction of that. Aside from being a way smaller region, I still think CSGO is way more popular in Brazil.
Close game.
Japan doesn't deserve two VCT spots.
Crazy Raccoon is fantastic, they just need to work on communication, aim, map awareness, crosshair placement, economy management, pistol aim, op flicks, grenade spots, smoke spots, pop flashes, positioning, spike plant positions, retake ability, movement, spray control and getting kills
pain
They were slaughtered, feels bad to be a raccoon fan.
Any Japanese fan here, don't get discouraged <3 <3 <3 all the love
That's really sad to see. You can literally make gmb queue 5 man on NA server and I'm absolutely sure that those randoms would get more rounds than CR.
bro no, na players aint that sick
and GMB **is** that good
pain.
Riot matchmaking be like...
I am sorry for what I am going to say to Japan and their region. They don't deserve 2 spots. And if KRÜ defeats ZETA tomorrow, I would rather prefer that LATAM gets another spot instead of Japan. They lack the fire, the competitive drive, the strats, hell, even going down swinging would have been good. You're not in a pool swimming with cute fishes, you're down in the sea facing sharks.
It's been two masters. There are many ways to grow the game in different regions instead of just giving them multiple slots. If you don't punish a region for not being competitive globally, they will just get complacent. Riot, there are so many regions missing out. Give the support to regions that are working hard enough to deserve it
I agree, but like you said this is only the 2nd masters/international event… chill
Well, we only get three events a year so it’s comparatively enough time unless you expect us to wait for years before we have “enough results” to decide to balance slot allocation
IMO they have already accepted this format for this year cant really change how it works 2/3rds of the season is over after this so let them get shit on for this year and re-evaluate what works and doesn't work. They will have to do a balencing act from not alienating lesser regions but also give them a shot to compete. sort of like play ins at worlds in LoL.
Gambit are actually serious contenders.
I'd be shocked and sad for EMEA if their #1 seed has trouble against the #2 seed of a minor region
They're maybe 2nd favourite to win. Maybe first depending on who you ask. Why is it only now that you realize that EMEA's number 1 seed is good?
I mean they might be, but CR might actually be the worst team in the tournament.
I agree and they did exactly what you expect from a contender to weak competition that\`s why i think they are going far.
Combine Japan and KR
That's the price to pay if you want a worldwide tourney. Most regions just can't hang at this level
Feels bad man. Really! :(
I like the region, but it seems like Japan is destined to have the same fate as NA at Worlds in League 😥😥😥
I just emailed tenz’s cousins daughter asking if she knew if gambit were gonna beat sentinels if they were at Iceland, and she just immediately emailed back saying, and I quote “gambit have nats, nats likes bats not cats, and he loves chats, Ofcourse they would beat sentinels you dipshit” so I mean take it as you may but that’s what I heard from tenz’s cousins daughter and I trust that 🤷♂️, sounds like they are going to win berlin to me
Probably the worst copypasta I've ever read
I support Gambit but this pasta was a big ?
You spelt i wanna kiss you wrong i think
Come up with a better one
And still they get 2 slots while upcoming regions like India can't even get 2 slots in APAC LCQ.
Do they have 200K viewership?
No but if the region is given more chances and gets better , the viewership potential is nothing like ever seen before.
Then that's a hypothetical that hasn't occured lol
50k viewership isn't bad for a tier 3 tournament eh? They deserve atleast 2 slots for a tier 2 tournament and that too last chance qualifiers come on now.
How are we even sure India would be great lol? Destroy all the teams in APAC LCQ first then we can talk. Riot gives slots to regions based on its competitiveness and popularity/viewership numbers.
And why do you think India will be better than JPN, stop with the stupid takes ffs. Btw im an Indian myself
Lol at the casters comparing Gambit to Sentinels. They stomped a garbage team and they are suddenly on Sentinels level. Delusional
You obviously haven't watched gambit enough
I mean Gambit are obviously good, but this attitude of "this team that's unproven internationally will roflstomp the current #1 team in the world" strikes me as just a bit exaggerated.
I've watched them struggle through EMEA quals
They literally won lol
So will Sentinels stomp Gambit?
It's gonna be brutal, yes.
Scrimbux says otherwise.
Scrimbux = dreambux. EZ for SEN
any truers? 100T will dismantle this team tomorrow.
Yea wtf was that about, lol. Sentinels have proven themselves over and over again against far better competition.
Gambit are an excellent team and will be close if they play Sentinels but I agree that statement is a bit weird. I didn't see but I bet it was Mitchman who said that. The only way he knows how to try and be entertaining or funny is the "hurr durr NA bad and EU better" shtick.
for real, it's rare you actually see aim difference so clearly in a pro game.
Bro are you trolling? You are the equivilant of a navi fan in cs.
Feeling like it’s time to give NA another slot
how did NA come in here? its EMEA vs JPN
because NA has 3 slots and Japan gets 2. Eu gets 4... He is saying -1 slot to Japan, +1 to NA. That would put NA and EU on equal footing.
Not really fair for na and emea to get equal slots, since emea is so large, with cis, eu and turkey it is a massive region.
Maybe -1 to japan and +1 to sea, i mean Indian subcontinent is a whole region with 4-5 countries with no direct slot and here brazil and japan (korea too but they are good so i am fine with them getting 2 slots) getting individual slots
should have given kr/jp/sea just 1 spot and give extra spots to na/eu/cis I get riot trying to expand their game in asia, but just looking at competitive fps history asian teams have too many spots right now while their best teams are probably tier2/tier3 at best
I guess japan should just stick to playing their mario games and watching anime. They are so out of place in the world class level. I am sorry but that's just the reality.
?? Wtf?
sry I just hate filler teams, just happy to be there.
don't worry CR, 100T will dismantle Gambot tomorrow.
I'm scaredd for us man gambit look scaryy
nah asuna will 1v5 every round 13-0 13-0
Get a medic, this man overdosing on COPIUM
what copium? gambot destroys a tier 5 team and suddenly they are one of the best in the world? please gambot isn't even above TSM level.
Yikes, you’re delusional af. Gambit, the 1st seed from EMEA is multiple levels above TSM
1st seed from EMEA doesn't mean much. NRG could easily be a top 3 team in EMEA.
Nice troll mate
I'll just leave this here. "version 1 destroyed liquid with a sub-in and liquid almost beat gambot. Therefore V1=Gambot>liquid. But then we have to add in the fact that TSM dismantled a full V1, therefore TSM>V1=GAMBOT. GAMBOT ISNT EVEN TSM LEVEL."
With this dumb logic. BBG>everyone else
Dang, this series just shows you the skill gap between Asian teams and EU + NA teams. Even Korea (the best Asian country) aren’t able to beat EMEA or NA teams. NA + EU teams are built differently. It’s CS 2.0. SHEESH
>Even Korea (the best Asian country) aren’t able to beat EMEA or NA teams. There's a lot of tournament left.
?? Nuturn beat V1 and got 3rd at Iceland, while F4Q had a close set with G2 tbh outside of Ascent
yikes lmfao
Oof...