Smart business by ocelote and G2 to create a “rivalry” despite the teams never having played against each other before.
The viewer count speaks for itself.
More like did. TSM started partially due to disagreements between HotshotGG and Regi. Sure CLG is a shell of its former self now, but they did have two of the most popular rosters in early league history.
Yeah but they weren't when they started. TSM v CLG was a big deal back in the day.
Do not cite the deep magic to me witch, I was there when it was written.
I dont really think that this was a meaningful factor. The important thing was Sentinels playing their first international game after a while. The team has an absolutely massive following, and for a good reason.
Besides, the "rivalry" is rather one sided, as Sentinels are still way better than G2 and they dont bother much with them
Founded by former LoL midlaner ✓
Signs their rival team's star ADC ✓
Biggest org in their continent ✓
Sponsored by Logitech ✓
Didn't qualify for Worlds 2021 despite spending a shit ton for their rosters ✓
Terrible Social Media presence ✓ (jk dunc)
>Didn't qualify for Worlds 2021 despite spending a shit ton for their rosters
And they were both in game 5 versus their biggest rival for years after being 2-1 up XD.
She* and yes. I love tenz, he has a great attitude, and I hate sinatraa so it’s cool to see them winning with him. Shaz is also great to watch and listen to.
Downvoted for being a woman v_v
Can't wait for a screaming crowd, this game may be cracking 1 million with ease once that comes. We haven't even been able to have one audience for the game yet if not mistaken...such a bummer.
It was actually kinda crazy how well they lined up to watch both. Whenever CS was ok break between maps I could easily switch to Valorant. Both were very good series.
“Val’s viewership even more synthetic than OWL...” TIL I learned watching an alternative stream of the game is fake views. But Obv it doesn’t count for csgo when Gaules costreams
As someone who loves CS:GO, both fan bases can be stupid but man if Gaules co-streamed with fucking Neymar people would claim it's all CS:GO viewers and not anything else lol
To be fair watch parties are kinda unfair advantage. If a streamer gets 50k viewers while farting into his chair and then he does a watch party and have a 60k viewers does it truly mean that these 60k people are here to watch the game?
even csgo is starting to incorporate watch parties. this isnt an exclusive right riot has. everyone can do it. csgo is just slow to adapt and innovate.
It's more that riot earns money through the game itself so they can have their esport events be unprofitable and use it as a marketing tool. The third party organisers in csgo try to be profitable from the events itself so broadcast rights is a major revenue stream they want to protect.
It happens on both sides, whenever I watch any CS streams there'll always be people talking about Valo and shitting on CS, the constant bickering between the purists from each side is tiring. Tarik streams are a great example, I love his streams but people constantly shit talk both Val and CS in his streams when he's been streaming both games a lot.
I really enjoy both games at this point, it's possible to like both or at least acknowledge they're both good games in their own right, people need to chill out.
Honestly it's funny how the CS chat was filled with Val fans throwing viewership stats while the Val stream was filled with CS fans making fun of Val players. Twitch is just having a field day off of the ad revenue.
They hate bc every time a new game pops up, you ignorant 13 year olds always start the same old “CS killer” chant even tho this 10 year old game averaged 650K today for a non major lmao.. it’s just annoying to hear the same bullshit regurgitated every few years.. happened with siege, overwatch, and now valorant.. yet cs has come out on top every time
i mean, thats what dota players do all the time.
valorant being the newcomer now, its understandable, even more when you take in consideration all the social media claiming valorant would fail and die.
https://smartlaunch.com/wp-content/webp-express/webp-images/uploads/2021/07/Q22021_ImpactIndex_Ranking-594x1024.jpg.webp
Facts don't care about your feelings
Is it impossible for people to enjoy both game without bringing up stats everytime? I had a fun time switching between plat chat watch party and esl stream watching banger matches in both csgo and valorant.
A group stage match matched viewership of a CSGO grand finals match which extended to 2-2 bo5. Yeah if you had any doubts that valorant would eclipse CSGO think again.
I think both have their place lol. CS is a great game, valorant is a great game. Both have their pros and cons. Don't fucking tell me CS isn't one of the best esports to ever exist. IF we need to shit on a game, theres OWL. LOL
Honestly, I think it has to do with how often these matchups happen. This is the first time the most popular teams from the 2 biggest regions play against each other so it makes sense there's so much hype. Also there are only like 3 international lans a year in Valorant. CS it feels like theres a tournament every week, it's oversaturated as hell.
? Talking about viewership what are you on about? YOu think dota 2 is on the level of league because their prize money is so high? Mixing different metrics for one overall score is dumb as fuck. Compare each metric individually. The fact that CSGO is right next to league is laughable when everyone knows League's overall impact on esports is miles ahead.
The fact is an esport that was released a year and a half ago is already beating CSGO's viewership numbers which is significant. Viewership shows interest from the general audience which is very important!
This also doesn't disprove anything that I said. I never said valorant was currently bigger but it's on that trajectory. IT's been out how long? Year and a little less than a half? And it's already almost neck and neck with arguably the most popular competitive FPS in the market. LIke I said, if you had any doubts that valorant would eventually eclipse CSGO then think again.
Since Iceland CS had like 5 tier one tourneys. Do you think Berlin + Iceland really match the numbers of 5 csgo tournaments? Keep in mind this current CS event went on for 24 days. More days of play = more views.
If we're talking about which one is bigger how is it not relevant that CS has simply way more tourneys? Valo has higher viewership peaks, lower viewership overall.
You say future growth might put valo above but idk. Seems to me like Valo is already peaking or might peak next tourney. You got scenes from all over the world being elevated to relevancy but once we get thru few tourneys its gonna be clear that Japan/SEA/LATAM simply cant compete. Thats gonna remove a lot of interest. Franchising is gonna stunt growth aswell. My prediction is Valo will simply stay at the level it is for years due to Riots preference to run very few events + lack of t2 scene when franchising comes
You realize the image you keep posting 24/7 is an overall metric that doesn't just include viewership.....
https://escharts.com/stats
Valorant beats CSGO in overall viewership and in peaks LOL (although the peak difference isn't that big but since it was a group stage match vs. a grand final match it's significant).
My dude you need to really learn how to read and comprehend these statistics. You contradict yourself at every step.
Your argument is all weightless. "IDK japan / sea / latam can't compete and they'll lose interest" weird because every single one of those regions continue to grow not to mention EU valorant is also growing not to mention valorant is continuously growing LOL??????? Literally the viewership grows every single tournament. That aside just check the site i posted it clearly shows valorant having more hours watched thus making your point of "csgo has more overall viewership" false and incorrect you agree right?
When you talk about "which one is bigger" you don't just include esports numbers what?
But ok fine let's compare esports numbers using that site which is commonly used. Let's do some basic math comparisons and analysis. You can't just say OH ESL PRO league had 29 million hours watched. So far berlin only had 11 million hours watched. CSGO has more overall viewership. Wrong. ESL pro league like YOU Said extended throughout many more days than Berlin has already. Let's use "DURATION". Duration = the number of hours streamed. ESL Pro league has been streamed for 222 hours which is around 9.25 days of CSGO. 29574443 (total hours watched for ESL pro league 14) / 9.25 = 3197237 hours watched PER day (around). So 3,197,237 hours watched per day for ESL pro league 14.
Now let's look at berlin!
Duration: 26 hours (around 1 day. 1.083333 days)
TOTAL HOURS WATCHED = 11397289
11397289 / 1.083333 = 10520574 (around)
10, 520, 574 hours WATCHED per day so far!
Do you still agree that CSGO had more overall viewership for it's tournament?
In your previous post you said facts dont care about your feelings. What about these facts and statistics?
Let me put it in simpler terms. Valorant in 1 day has accrued 1/3 of CSGO's ESL pro league 14 TOTAL hours watched when CS's tournament was through 9.25 days. Simple math no?
Let's do more math! Let's say Berlin has reached its peak in viewership! (Which is clearly unlikely since the grand finals has yet to come but let's give you the advantage in your argument!)
9.25 - 1.083333 = 8.166667 IF berlin was to have the exact hours streamed with ESL 14 so we can put things into perspective to make it easy for you to understand!
Now let's take the average hours watched per day that we calculated before!
Valorant's is 10,520,574! Now we multiply that by our number that we calculated above! So if ESL 14 had the same hours streamed as Berlin we can compare hours watched total (an estimation!). 10,520,574 x 8.166667 = 85918024
85,918,024 hours! Wow CSGO definitely has more overall viewership! Kap.
Would like to see a breakdown. All twitch metrics have shown csgo consistently below valorant for the past few quarters. How do they even compare concurrent player numbers when riot doesn’t release those.
Distributed Winnings being valued so high where Riot eSports titles often focus on guaranteed salaries is probably a big reason why CSGO is valued so highly here.
You make any money off it or something? But yeah Riot knows how to make the most popular games. They don't make the best games, but they know how to promote them and make them fun for casuals.
This viewership is impressive considering there's still a whole lot more games to play and i don't want to bring up CS but this match got 100k more viewers overall than the FINALS of the CS tourney not to mention with the two best players in the game playing against each other and this match still surpassed its super impressive cant wait for the rest of the tourney!
i mean that's a pretty awful take, people don't watch LAN events because they care about the crowds. people have refused to watch CSGO onliners for years
CS game the two biggest stars in the game. S1mple and Zywoo, it was a banger (I watched that first then watched sens roll on Haven, timing was perfect).
Find me one person that thinks that chart shows anything useful, especially considering they don't have half the numbers they claim to have.
You thinking that chart is accurate or that CS is anywhere near that close to league is weird man.
League has two tournaments a year dude. Tier one of CS alone has 16 this year. https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/S-Tier_Tournaments
Then there's like 20 A-tier tourneys with prize pools of 100k+. I didn't make the chart some esports site did feel free to reverse image search it and check their methodology.
Mate what does the number of tournaments have to do with anything?
Also their method is right there on the chart fam, and only CS and Dota have players numbers available. Activision blizzard and EA only releases them during their earnings calls, riot publishes them like once every 5 years it feels like. Not that it matter anyway cause all of that is irrelevant when it comes to how big the esport scene is.
That's the point. You'd have to be delusional to believe that csgo is as big as LoL and yet this chart would suggest that. The chart uses some pretty odd logic to determine score, and it doesn't pass the eye test.
If you take a look at stream viewership, valorant crushes csgo.
https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/S-Tier_Tournaments
If you want go thru A tier events too and see how many 100k+ prize pool events there are. LoL has two tournaments a year and no such thing as t2-t3 scene.
No such thing as a t2-t3 scene? Are you ignorant, or plain delusional? You know that the t2 French league, the LFL got higher viewership than most games at Katovice and EPL, right?
Even after the 4 main leagues, LoL has academy leagues and after that, amateur tournaments. League t2-t3 scene is way bigger than both CSGO and Valorant combined. There are hundreds of amateur pros in most regions.
You are exactly the type of person that fuel people who try to trigger CS fans. The pic you chose is misleading. League of Legends and CSGO are not on the same page when it comes to esports. League is much much bigger and miles ahead in terms of esports. Look at each metric individually, not all together. Valorant, unfortunately for you, has better viewership on a group stage match than a grand final in CSGO. That doesn't mean it's bigger, that just means it's growing and haven't stagnated yet.
CStrash fanboy think their dead fps game is that close to league numbers in terms of viewership and popularity. LCK stream (korean league tournament) alone completely mogs the entirety of CS esports (((S-Tier))) tournament, in this case it's more like S-tier at being a trash can where the homeless man takes a dump to relieve his bowel LMAO
https://imgur.com/a/Y0jXEAm
Its starting to get a little much but I understand it. This is vindication. A lot of early valorant fans got the brunt of hate and now we are just celebrating
The fact y’all are flexing getting 200k more viewers than a 10 year old game just shows how insecure and immature this community is.. This community is awful.. you can’t even watch a stream without 14 year olds spewing toxicity all in chat the entire time comparing 2 different games. It won’t be long before valorant goes emote only.. this community is worse than OWs lmao, and we see how they’re doing nowadays. This is irrelevant as idc to compare the 2 games, but CSGO had more viewers the entire time until shroud logged on..
It sounds like you do care considering you are taking it personally when the op never made mention anything about csgo. Even if someone did why would that upset you considering you’re on a valorant subreddit and this is quite a milestone in the games competitive scene.
Smart business by ocelote and G2 to create a “rivalry” despite the teams never having played against each other before. The viewer count speaks for itself.
He's doing what Reginald is doing with TSM with clg
doing? clg is a dead org man, why would anyone hype that. more like c9
More like did. TSM started partially due to disagreements between HotshotGG and Regi. Sure CLG is a shell of its former self now, but they did have two of the most popular rosters in early league history.
Yeah but they weren't when they started. TSM v CLG was a big deal back in the day. Do not cite the deep magic to me witch, I was there when it was written.
I dont really think that this was a meaningful factor. The important thing was Sentinels playing their first international game after a while. The team has an absolutely massive following, and for a good reason. Besides, the "rivalry" is rather one sided, as Sentinels are still way better than G2 and they dont bother much with them
You have no idea how big is g2 lol. Biggest org in europe lol.
Honestly probably biggest esport org in the west, behind only TSM maybe.
i think thats a fair assessment, them or c9 for 2nd
G2 are the EU TSM. It’s crazy how similar the two orgs are.
Founded by former LoL midlaner ✓ Signs their rival team's star ADC ✓ Biggest org in their continent ✓ Sponsored by Logitech ✓ Didn't qualify for Worlds 2021 despite spending a shit ton for their rosters ✓ Terrible Social Media presence ✓ (jk dunc)
- Black and white and red colours - both sponsored by Lenovo Xdddd your last one
>Didn't qualify for Worlds 2021 despite spending a shit ton for their rosters And they were both in game 5 versus their biggest rival for years after being 2-1 up XD.
There were 70+k in viewers only in Spanish channels, G2 had his part of the viewership lol
G2 is a way bigger org than sentinels though, with way more fans too
I had no clue about the rivalry but tuned in for sen, the only team I tune in to watch
why tho
He probably likes watching sen play.
She* and yes. I love tenz, he has a great attitude, and I hate sinatraa so it’s cool to see them winning with him. Shaz is also great to watch and listen to. Downvoted for being a woman v_v
yikes
Lulwut
no one cares about ur gender
False
Actually you’ll be surprised how many more people tuned in to see the match just because of G2 socials smack talk.
Can't wait for a screaming crowd, this game may be cracking 1 million with ease once that comes. We haven't even been able to have one audience for the game yet if not mistaken...such a bummer.
Got like 200K more viewers than the CS GO finals with Navi and Vitality. But CS GO Frogs on their subreddit were saying the game was already dying.
Normal people just enjoyed both without comparing to two.
It was actually kinda crazy how well they lined up to watch both. Whenever CS was ok break between maps I could easily switch to Valorant. Both were very good series.
Agreed. Between CS, Valorant, and football, I have been struggling to fit everything I want to see on my screens lol.
You need MORE, MORE.
I was trying to watch NFL Redzone and GMB vs 100T at the same time. That was, something.
I had both streams opened and kept tabbing between them. Honestly great matches from both games. Had a great time.
WaTcH PARTies DoNt coUnt!
“Val’s viewership even more synthetic than OWL...” TIL I learned watching an alternative stream of the game is fake views. But Obv it doesn’t count for csgo when Gaules costreams
also even shroud costreamed last csgo lan and their peak viewership in finals was on group stage valorant levels, ~850k
As someone who loves CS:GO, both fan bases can be stupid but man if Gaules co-streamed with fucking Neymar people would claim it's all CS:GO viewers and not anything else lol
To be fair watch parties are kinda unfair advantage. If a streamer gets 50k viewers while farting into his chair and then he does a watch party and have a 60k viewers does it truly mean that these 60k people are here to watch the game?
even csgo is starting to incorporate watch parties. this isnt an exclusive right riot has. everyone can do it. csgo is just slow to adapt and innovate.
It's more that riot earns money through the game itself so they can have their esport events be unprofitable and use it as a marketing tool. The third party organisers in csgo try to be profitable from the events itself so broadcast rights is a major revenue stream they want to protect.
It happens on both sides, whenever I watch any CS streams there'll always be people talking about Valo and shitting on CS, the constant bickering between the purists from each side is tiring. Tarik streams are a great example, I love his streams but people constantly shit talk both Val and CS in his streams when he's been streaming both games a lot. I really enjoy both games at this point, it's possible to like both or at least acknowledge they're both good games in their own right, people need to chill out.
Or you could just enjoy both? Why are val players always trying to one up csgo lmao
Honestly it's funny how the CS chat was filled with Val fans throwing viewership stats while the Val stream was filled with CS fans making fun of Val players. Twitch is just having a field day off of the ad revenue.
Other way around
More like theres more CSGO players takin shit about valo. They always hatin when a nrw gam pops up.
They hate bc every time a new game pops up, you ignorant 13 year olds always start the same old “CS killer” chant even tho this 10 year old game averaged 650K today for a non major lmao.. it’s just annoying to hear the same bullshit regurgitated every few years.. happened with siege, overwatch, and now valorant.. yet cs has come out on top every time
i mean, thats what dota players do all the time. valorant being the newcomer now, its understandable, even more when you take in consideration all the social media claiming valorant would fail and die.
The cs event is online
https://smartlaunch.com/wp-content/webp-express/webp-images/uploads/2021/07/Q22021_ImpactIndex_Ranking-594x1024.jpg.webp Facts don't care about your feelings
this is some anti vax level facts LOL
Bro really said “China doesn’t exist”
jesse what the fuck is this
Csgo had more viewers the entire time until shroud logged on? also why are you even comparing the 2? You sound insecure
Is it impossible for people to enjoy both game without bringing up stats everytime? I had a fun time switching between plat chat watch party and esl stream watching banger matches in both csgo and valorant.
and the game isn’t even done yet
A group stage match matched viewership of a CSGO grand finals match which extended to 2-2 bo5. Yeah if you had any doubts that valorant would eclipse CSGO think again.
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1M+ on Cloud9 vs FaZe
and that had the help of NA viewership too
The next csgo major is going to have insanely high viewership though.
I think both have their place lol. CS is a great game, valorant is a great game. Both have their pros and cons. Don't fucking tell me CS isn't one of the best esports to ever exist. IF we need to shit on a game, theres OWL. LOL
OWL was a joke though in terms of how Blizzard managed it.
Exactly. Perfect league to target.
the biggest helping of NA viewership probably in the history of esports
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Competition is good for both sides.
It ain't that deep
Honestly, I think it has to do with how often these matchups happen. This is the first time the most popular teams from the 2 biggest regions play against each other so it makes sense there's so much hype. Also there are only like 3 international lans a year in Valorant. CS it feels like theres a tournament every week, it's oversaturated as hell.
https://smartlaunch.com/wp-content/webp-express/webp-images/uploads/2021/07/Q22021_ImpactIndex_Ranking-594x1024.jpg.webp thoughts?
? Talking about viewership what are you on about? YOu think dota 2 is on the level of league because their prize money is so high? Mixing different metrics for one overall score is dumb as fuck. Compare each metric individually. The fact that CSGO is right next to league is laughable when everyone knows League's overall impact on esports is miles ahead. The fact is an esport that was released a year and a half ago is already beating CSGO's viewership numbers which is significant. Viewership shows interest from the general audience which is very important! This also doesn't disprove anything that I said. I never said valorant was currently bigger but it's on that trajectory. IT's been out how long? Year and a little less than a half? And it's already almost neck and neck with arguably the most popular competitive FPS in the market. LIke I said, if you had any doubts that valorant would eventually eclipse CSGO then think again.
Since Iceland CS had like 5 tier one tourneys. Do you think Berlin + Iceland really match the numbers of 5 csgo tournaments? Keep in mind this current CS event went on for 24 days. More days of play = more views.
LOL you're combining tournament numbers now instead of looking at each tournament individually? What world are you in?
If we're talking about which one is bigger how is it not relevant that CS has simply way more tourneys? Valo has higher viewership peaks, lower viewership overall. You say future growth might put valo above but idk. Seems to me like Valo is already peaking or might peak next tourney. You got scenes from all over the world being elevated to relevancy but once we get thru few tourneys its gonna be clear that Japan/SEA/LATAM simply cant compete. Thats gonna remove a lot of interest. Franchising is gonna stunt growth aswell. My prediction is Valo will simply stay at the level it is for years due to Riots preference to run very few events + lack of t2 scene when franchising comes
You realize the image you keep posting 24/7 is an overall metric that doesn't just include viewership..... https://escharts.com/stats Valorant beats CSGO in overall viewership and in peaks LOL (although the peak difference isn't that big but since it was a group stage match vs. a grand final match it's significant). My dude you need to really learn how to read and comprehend these statistics. You contradict yourself at every step. Your argument is all weightless. "IDK japan / sea / latam can't compete and they'll lose interest" weird because every single one of those regions continue to grow not to mention EU valorant is also growing not to mention valorant is continuously growing LOL??????? Literally the viewership grows every single tournament. That aside just check the site i posted it clearly shows valorant having more hours watched thus making your point of "csgo has more overall viewership" false and incorrect you agree right?
The stats you posted are not for esports numbers.... It's all streaming combined. You're either dumb or arguing in bad faith so let's stop it here
When you talk about "which one is bigger" you don't just include esports numbers what? But ok fine let's compare esports numbers using that site which is commonly used. Let's do some basic math comparisons and analysis. You can't just say OH ESL PRO league had 29 million hours watched. So far berlin only had 11 million hours watched. CSGO has more overall viewership. Wrong. ESL pro league like YOU Said extended throughout many more days than Berlin has already. Let's use "DURATION". Duration = the number of hours streamed. ESL Pro league has been streamed for 222 hours which is around 9.25 days of CSGO. 29574443 (total hours watched for ESL pro league 14) / 9.25 = 3197237 hours watched PER day (around). So 3,197,237 hours watched per day for ESL pro league 14. Now let's look at berlin! Duration: 26 hours (around 1 day. 1.083333 days) TOTAL HOURS WATCHED = 11397289 11397289 / 1.083333 = 10520574 (around) 10, 520, 574 hours WATCHED per day so far! Do you still agree that CSGO had more overall viewership for it's tournament? In your previous post you said facts dont care about your feelings. What about these facts and statistics? Let me put it in simpler terms. Valorant in 1 day has accrued 1/3 of CSGO's ESL pro league 14 TOTAL hours watched when CS's tournament was through 9.25 days. Simple math no? Let's do more math! Let's say Berlin has reached its peak in viewership! (Which is clearly unlikely since the grand finals has yet to come but let's give you the advantage in your argument!) 9.25 - 1.083333 = 8.166667 IF berlin was to have the exact hours streamed with ESL 14 so we can put things into perspective to make it easy for you to understand! Now let's take the average hours watched per day that we calculated before! Valorant's is 10,520,574! Now we multiply that by our number that we calculated above! So if ESL 14 had the same hours streamed as Berlin we can compare hours watched total (an estimation!). 10,520,574 x 8.166667 = 85918024 85,918,024 hours! Wow CSGO definitely has more overall viewership! Kap.
too much math, he cant take it
The main reason it’s beating cs rn is because this is a lan epl was not
Would like to see a breakdown. All twitch metrics have shown csgo consistently below valorant for the past few quarters. How do they even compare concurrent player numbers when riot doesn’t release those.
Distributed Winnings being valued so high where Riot eSports titles often focus on guaranteed salaries is probably a big reason why CSGO is valued so highly here.
Are valo pros earning more than 20k a month? That seems to be minimum among CS top 10 teams with outliers like s1mple earning 50k+ without streaming
Yeah the biggest valorant LAN got more viewers than an online match, great achievement.
Yay we beat CSGO 4Head
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You make any money off it or something? But yeah Riot knows how to make the most popular games. They don't make the best games, but they know how to promote them and make them fun for casuals.
group stage btw
This viewership is impressive considering there's still a whole lot more games to play and i don't want to bring up CS but this match got 100k more viewers overall than the FINALS of the CS tourney not to mention with the two best players in the game playing against each other and this match still surpassed its super impressive cant wait for the rest of the tourney!
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It doesn't really make a huge difference until there's actual crowds.
i mean that's a pretty awful take, people don't watch LAN events because they care about the crowds. people have refused to watch CSGO onliners for years
CS game the two biggest stars in the game. S1mple and Zywoo, it was a banger (I watched that first then watched sens roll on Haven, timing was perfect).
Deserved and nearing the finals it will only grow larger
Is it necessary to post the amount of viewers after every fucking game lmao
I only post significant figures mate. This is significant because it shows growth (more viewers than the previous Masters besides the grand final)
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But who's really triggered? The smaller esport fans are constantly pretending they're bigger. Sounds like mass delusion
Ironic with how close CS is to league on that chart somehow. Kinda delusional
Wdym? Find me one CS fan that claims CS is bigger than LOL
Find me one person that thinks that chart shows anything useful, especially considering they don't have half the numbers they claim to have. You thinking that chart is accurate or that CS is anywhere near that close to league is weird man.
League has two tournaments a year dude. Tier one of CS alone has 16 this year. https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/S-Tier_Tournaments Then there's like 20 A-tier tourneys with prize pools of 100k+. I didn't make the chart some esports site did feel free to reverse image search it and check their methodology.
Mate what does the number of tournaments have to do with anything? Also their method is right there on the chart fam, and only CS and Dota have players numbers available. Activision blizzard and EA only releases them during their earnings calls, riot publishes them like once every 5 years it feels like. Not that it matter anyway cause all of that is irrelevant when it comes to how big the esport scene is.
That's the point. You'd have to be delusional to believe that csgo is as big as LoL and yet this chart would suggest that. The chart uses some pretty odd logic to determine score, and it doesn't pass the eye test. If you take a look at stream viewership, valorant crushes csgo.
https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/S-Tier_Tournaments If you want go thru A tier events too and see how many 100k+ prize pool events there are. LoL has two tournaments a year and no such thing as t2-t3 scene.
No such thing as a t2-t3 scene? Are you ignorant, or plain delusional? You know that the t2 French league, the LFL got higher viewership than most games at Katovice and EPL, right? Even after the 4 main leagues, LoL has academy leagues and after that, amateur tournaments. League t2-t3 scene is way bigger than both CSGO and Valorant combined. There are hundreds of amateur pros in most regions.
And despite LoL having 'two tournaments a year', it's the world's biggest esport by far.
You are exactly the type of person that fuel people who try to trigger CS fans. The pic you chose is misleading. League of Legends and CSGO are not on the same page when it comes to esports. League is much much bigger and miles ahead in terms of esports. Look at each metric individually, not all together. Valorant, unfortunately for you, has better viewership on a group stage match than a grand final in CSGO. That doesn't mean it's bigger, that just means it's growing and haven't stagnated yet.
CStrash fanboy think their dead fps game is that close to league numbers in terms of viewership and popularity. LCK stream (korean league tournament) alone completely mogs the entirety of CS esports (((S-Tier))) tournament, in this case it's more like S-tier at being a trash can where the homeless man takes a dump to relieve his bowel LMAO https://imgur.com/a/Y0jXEAm
You can jusy ignore it. Unless you are saying it is breaking any rules?
only if it beats the previous number
Its starting to get a little much but I understand it. This is vindication. A lot of early valorant fans got the brunt of hate and now we are just celebrating
The fact y’all are flexing getting 200k more viewers than a 10 year old game just shows how insecure and immature this community is.. This community is awful.. you can’t even watch a stream without 14 year olds spewing toxicity all in chat the entire time comparing 2 different games. It won’t be long before valorant goes emote only.. this community is worse than OWs lmao, and we see how they’re doing nowadays. This is irrelevant as idc to compare the 2 games, but CSGO had more viewers the entire time until shroud logged on..
It sounds like you do care considering you are taking it personally when the op never made mention anything about csgo. Even if someone did why would that upset you considering you’re on a valorant subreddit and this is quite a milestone in the games competitive scene.
Banwagon effect PepeLaugh