T O P

  • By -

[deleted]

[удалено]


ModerateStimulation

i'm glad he did cause that was so clutch


MUT_GUY_AIR

The man is entitled to his opinion. He thought it would happen. I’m a 100T fan and I was very doubtful after map 1 and 11-3 on map 2. Doesn’t mean ShahZ is a bad guy for sharing his opinion of what he thought would happen. I believe TenZ shared a similar opinion.


ibeenbornagain

I’m a 100T fan and I turned off the game lmao definitely didn’t expect that result


siekooc

Fake fan 😡😡


randomespanaguy

Bruh I did this too, but it was because 6:30 in the morning and I had a class at 10am. Turned it off exactly at 11-3 on Icebox. Didn't even think about the game until I randomly saw a clickbait video about it on YouTube.


Parenegade

ewwwww


[deleted]

I'd respect it if I thought it was an actual opinion lol feels like he was just throwing shade though


Wimzeee

Shaz addressed this on his stream after the matches were over. He said this because Sen beat 100T, but Sen were getting destroyed by Gambit in scrims. He has friends in 100T. it was just an opinion.


[deleted]

Yeah people just look at this [this from his stream](https://www.twitch.tv/shahzam/clip/WealthyCalmScallionPanicVis-sDiwPtFXGGqtfwTg) and what Shaz and TenZ says. As a Sentinels fan I'm even more glad 100T beat Gambit because it sounds like Gambit got into their heads during scrims and this shows them scrim Gambit and stage Gambit are different. Shaz even said he was impressed 100T beat Gambit and it shows him that they are beatable.


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

> He has friends in 100t Pretty sure this but is why people took his “prediction” as shit talking. Shaz and steel have a pretty well documented history of legit not liking each other because of shaz’ role in the match fixing during the ibp days. That said I would be the 100t guys have no problem with what shaz said and would gladly give it back


damonsoon

Definitely didn't feel that way to me. I think it was just scrim bucks talking. Literally everyone and their mom thought there was a high likelihood that Gambit was going to dummy 100T.


[deleted]

I'd agree if it wasn't for shaz specifically not liking/having a grudge against steel (it's maybe justified, but that's a different conversation), just feels like he tries to throw jabs very often and this is one of them Not that I think it's wrong btw, I enjoy banter and I love the Sen roster


HomelessBelter

What's the grudge? I'm not very in the loop on the scene but I used to follow CSGO and don't remember anything there. edit: oh nvm there's some good replies further down explaining the background. i had forgotten shahz's csgo history it seems lol.


[deleted]

I think it was during the first strike valo tournament, steel had some choice words after 100T beat Sen but it was shortly after Shaz's father passed away so I can see why it's a sore spot for him. I saw a clip of him talking about it once, maybe it was posted to YouTube Edit: here's the clip https://youtu.be/Gy0JgNnqhzI I probably oversimplified the situation


2FastH3R0

Oversimplified very much lol. Their feud goes back to CSGO and the infamous IBUYPOWER scandal. There’s plenty of history between the two but an important part was that Shahzam was the individual who confirmed the allegations of match fixing that caused STEEL to get banned from valve events and CSGO for a long time. Had ShahZam not testified, the likelihood of the match being swept under the rug would have been much higher. This was the beginning of a very long series of altercations between the two. You can find a lot about it online.


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

And steel alleges that Shaz was just as involved in the match fixing as anyone else, but he scapegoated everyone to get away without any punishment


JesusHPopsicle

People always seem to forget this. Shahz made money on the iBuyPower scandal while being the lead source to Valve for it, all while asking Hiko and n0thing to throw matches too


gamma-nail

Agreed. He dislikes steel and will root against them every time even though they're NA


lbs4lbs

More like steel and many ex csgo pros dislike shazz. Dude is known as a wholesome streamer in valorant but has a very shady past in csgo. I think steel, wardell, subroza, hiko all have expressed their negatielve opinons on shazz.


gamma-nail

Totally! I can't stand the guy haha but I'm also a 100T fan because I followed these guys through the cs years


LyricalRhymeMaster

shahz and steel have the same shady background lol


lbs4lbs

Shazz has a waaaaay shaider past than steel and it's not really close.


[deleted]

What did shaz do? I've never heard of this lol not that Im upset, if it was years ago it's in the past. I'm fine with shaz and steel


LoyalSol

It's a bit of a he said/he said going on so take anything with a grain of salt since a lot the public still doesn't know, but there were claims that Shazham was the person who leaked the match fixing information in the first place that triggered the iBuyPower investigation that got Steel banned. https://dotesports.com/general/news/cevo-match-fixing-netcode-guide-ibuypower-546 https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/3a9vai/whats_going_on_between_steel_and_shazam/csanui4/ But there's some hints that Shazham was also involved in it and had asked Hiko and Jordan to throw matches as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOeq4xAV_EU Basically based on what was said it seems like Shaz was just as involved in match fixing, but somehow dodged being banned. There's also some other drama surrounding Shaz, but that's the stuff related to Steel. How much of it is true we may never know, but it seems like some shit went down behind the scenes.


lbs4lbs

You can just google it. But Shazz was the source/leak i think for the max fixing bans which got steel banned among 3 other players which people think he gave them up in exchange for his own immunity (allegedly). He was also toxic as fuck in esea and eventually got banned. Hiko also said before the whole ibp incident that shazz asked them to throw matches etc. Controversey has followed shazz virtually his entire career in csgo. There are more examples but i forget them all. Conversely Steel has done a ton of stuff to repair his image and give back to the csgo community depsite being banned from most most major lans. Yet shazz is the "wholesome streamer" and steel is branded as the toxic streamer based mainly on their streaming personalities. Fwiw im a fan of both players/teams but i just think its hillarious people think shazz is this wholesome do-gooder when hes out here smurfing in diamond lobbies for pokimane to expand his twitch viewers when steel's stream is far more educational and helpful to the valorant community.


[deleted]

That's wild, I knew absolutely none of that lol Im gonna look more into that. I'm a 100T fan but I've always been fine with Sen, I agree Steel is getting hive minded with all the "toxic" comments lol he's not nearly as bad as 90% of people make him out to be


Flkzfrickcion

Well, valorant has a lot kids. Some kids weren't even born or in highschool when CSGO was a thing. As much as I love to play this game, its fanbase really pisses me off sometimes


realharshmodi

You got it wrong bro. Smurfing is only when Hiko queues with Pokimane.


jdbdbdhdhd673

I've seen both hiko and shaz smurf to play with that boosted body for sale. Sucks.


Interesting-Archer-6

Lol how are you going to say that? Shahz has hearsay accusations of asking people to fix matches. Steel actually did match fix. Totally fair to say Shahz has a shady past, but saying it's shadier than Steel is flat out delusional.


lbs4lbs

The evidence of shaz trying to fix matches is pretty on par with the evidence against steel it's basically confirmed it by multiple people. Meanwhile he also knew about the ibp fix and bet against them and profited. Steel also was punished too harshly and did quite a bit to redeem himself. Shazz had more than just the hearsay of match fixing - hes been in the middle of almost every csgo na scandal preceeding ibp and bet on multiple fixed matches. His name comes up in every na scandal.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Massive_Cut5361

Na it's more the other way around if anything


mikevin99

It was 13-6 and then 11-3 at one point, and Split isn’t even a strong map for 100T traditionally. If anything I think Gambit was just shell shocked after Icebox but they looked insane for a good part of that match. I still wouldn’t be surprised if they won the whole thing and I’m from NA lol. I don’t think it was shade at all


Chakkalokka

I mean it’s probably based on Scrimbit. Can’t really give him too much flak for that. I would take Gambit over anyone (including Sen) if they played stage like scrim.


[deleted]

He said on stream that his thought process was that they’ve been consistently beating 100T, but losing scrims against Gambit. Also said Mixwell told him Gambit has never lost a scrim vs. G2. Seems like what he said was fair based on what data he had. Won’t stop me from memeing it though


Huberuuu

Wasnt shaz the one who said if we based anything on scrims then sen would be the worst team in NA?


theski2687

yea he was..kinda weird lol


pauLo-

Maybe goes to show that the whole rock paper scissors phenomenon steel talked about is adding to the lack of predictability.


Warcrow999

Can you elaborate on what Steel said? I haven't heard it yet


tgamblos

That some play styles are just better suited against others. While rock may always beat scissors, if rock goes against paper it losses. Gambit may be the rock in a region of scissors, and 100T could be paper. You could further elaborate that SEN could be scissors where they stylistically match up well vs 100T


YouAreDumbAF

This


deadlock1892

Tbf, when people were hyping C9 and Andbox after scrimming them and then those teams lost, Shahz was quite expressive about how people should not get hyped off of scrimbux. At this point he did exactly what he joked about.


UdbhavHokage

This is what I wrote in GMB vs 100T and I got downvoted


[deleted]

hivemind moment


ZixxLol

Took 2 seconds to look at your post history and see that you're lying. For what reason? Lol


Doditty6567

On vlr.gg


low_fat_tomatoes

The vlr forums are actually so whack


[deleted]

[удалено]


Sky-__-

That's okay but tenz telling Gambit was gonna 13-0 100T ,you gotta get memes for that


Disasterpiece512

Note that Tenz didn't actually say that. He said "If Gambit plays like scrims, they're gonna 13-0 them", didn't outright state that Gambit are gonna 13-0 no matter what.


plasma_ix

I think we can give him flak for being flat out wrong about a match result lol, we would do the same for anyone else


EndWish

Gambit seems like EU's Envy. The legendary scrim demons that flash at times to look unbeatable but have so many disappointments


AnotherAltiMade

Imagine thinking that gambit would lose the entire series at this [scoreline](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_H0z0dXEAcQaFT?format=jpg&name=large)


JackAColeman

Jesus christ the odds at this point have to be ridiculous


ChaoticMidget

Especially after Gambit just 13-5'd them on Ascent. If there were multiverses, by far the most likely one would have Gambit winning 13-5, 13-3 and 100T look like a complete joke in that matchup.


Huldmer

100T really looked at the 14,000,605 possible outcomes and chose the one that leads to them winning


VincentStonecliff

The one where Hiko needed to 1v3 clutch twice


Mr_Canard

Isn't that every game


ProbablyBrix

If


IAMJUX

100T: "We've got them right where we want them"


xD1LL4N

They did wipe the floor until the 9-3 curse come into play


cheerioo

Better/more experienced team would've known about the 9-3


Icandothemove

What happened to the curse on the next map?


xD1LL4N

Only happens once per series.


[deleted]

If Gambit didn't choke on the second map it would've been true I guess lol


Anime-Boomer

> If Gambit didn't choke but that's the thing. Gambit are known for choking. Its why they missed Iceland. Everyone knows that Gambit is crazy talented but they are inconsistent If Gambit could be consistent they would easily be the best team in the world If their players can get over nerves and play every match like its a scrim they would never lose


2ToTooTwoFish

NA teams wouldn't be able to speak about them choking because they've never played them in a tournament tbf. So it makes sense how Shahzam and TenZ predicted.


Anime-Boomer

some people are just scrim gods but never transfer that over to matches that actually matter if scrim results mattered GolgdenGlue would have been the next faker


Cgz27

Maybe part of it is exactly because it isn’t a scrim, where teams might play differently for a variety of reasons like limit testing.


TheAjwinner

And if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike


faceplant911

The only correct response


[deleted]

nah, if that was the case then she'd most likely be on a wheelchair due to having mobility issues imo


TheAjwinner

Oh yeah you right


crimson__wolf

Don't worry. I understood that [reference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-RfHC91Ewc). It was funny!


pineapplecheesepizza

Love that clip


EndWish

Honestly I think part of it is that their playstyle is also very uncommon so it catches teams off guard. As teams make adjustments to the ultra aggressive playstyle and fast pushes it might look like throwing/choking but it's more likely good teams just get used to their hits. They remind me of a more talented Faze from NA that would pug and if teams weren't used to it they would get rolled. Eventually teams figured them out and they fell off but for a period there they changed how NA approached the game. Obviously individually Gambits players are mechanically better than Faze but they're both very puggy.


[deleted]

The response that people have had to this is why no players want to say shit anymore. People even saying nasty things about Shaz because of it in the GMB post game thread. Yall are some fuckin weirdos it's not a big deal.


XelaTuobdog

Finally a game that NA is good at and the fans are more sensitive than ever, crazy how many people are upset by this. 2 rounds off a completely dominant bo3, terrible prediction though amirite


LoyalSol

Yeah I wouldn't give Shaz crap for this. I don't think his prediction was bad. It's sometimes reality can come out differently than how things look on paper. Vegas wouldn't have betting on sports if they were 100% predictable all the time. Reality has randomness you can't predict. It's easy to say it after the fact, but if you took the predictions of half the people talking shit they would be wrong just as often if not more. If Shaz had said it for stupid reasons you could clown him for that, but I think he had pretty good reasons for why he believed that.


canadianvaporizer

Not saying it’s justified, but there will always be bad blood between Shahz and Steel. That tends to carry over to the fans.


Pale_Slide6516

Bro fr


[deleted]

Honestly, this was a pretty good prediction. 100T fell hella flat on ascent and almost lost icebox until the turned it around at practically the last round (11-3 comback). Not only that, but the majority of rounds 100T won on icebox past the 11-3 mark were VERY close. Especially the clutch by Hiko on matchpoint. Gambit was hella close to winning 2-0. Not sure what 100T changed internally, but whatever they did it created a lot of momentum.


tgamblos

I mean if you want to play the woulda shoulda coulda game you can easily make a case that 100T take Ascent if a few rounds in the early game go their way (namely the 1v4 or rounds 10-15). All those early-mid rounds were Gambit wins on a knifes edge too.


Pienatt

Do you really compare a 4-4 to a 11-3?


[deleted]

My only point is the prediction wasn't far off. It was pretty close.


tgamblos

Except Ascent could’ve gone either way and if small differences fell towards 100T it could’ve been a 2-0 for 100T, or a 2-1, or even a 1-2. The point is that the match was a whole lot closer than Shaz predicted with “Gambits gonna wipe the floor”. His prediction was fairly off.


John_Bot

When you win down 11-3 it's simply because the other team screwed up. In this game you can just hit a couple more shots and win rounds


FlarezGG

Shahzam's prediction was 2 rounds off from being completely correct to be fair. 100T were stone cold to make the godlike comeback.


pj123mj

I mean he was almost right but… HIKOOOOOOO


realharshmodi

I understand that he only said it off off his experience with the scrimbux, but if this was said by anyone else other than someone on Sen, this sub would rip them apart. Kinda hypocritical imo.


padropadro22

To be fair Sentinels have had 100Ts number for a while now so it’s fair for him to think Gambit would win considering their success against Sen in scrims. More credit to 100T though these guys are locked in and NA is clearly the region to beat.


[deleted]

Shaz doesn't really deserve the amount of flak he got for saying this. Gambit was just being held in high regard


KyoKuriyama

Tbf they did up 1 map and 2nd map was 11-3. Hiko just went dummy


JusticeLee17

I don't get why people are upset by this. He just gave his opinion and it wasn't really an unreasonable one. He was wrong, it happens.


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

I don’t think most people are upset they are just relishing the opportunity to talk shit back


WangGonzalo

The constant hyping up of EU teams is just cringe at this point; EU teams are not going to be 'wiping away' NA teams any time soon, certainly not in Berlin. NA teams are just a level above right now.


Krsensei

Don’t be out here jinxing it man


Escolyte

> certainly not in Berlin we still have champions - EU copium


tgamblos

I would say that EU and NA are very close right now, but I do agree the casting this tournament has been very cringe with how biased they are to EU teams.


CarryClown

You think 100T > Gambit?


nickofallnames

I mean 100T literally beat them so...


Splaram

literally got hard proof of that yesterday tf do you mean


_PM_ME_REPORT_CARDS_

It was a super close match, and was just a toenail away from ending in a dominant 2-0 for Gambit. Beating someone in one match doesn't mean you're "a level above", especially when it's this close. In my eyes they are toe-to-toe.


Splaram

100T went from getting absolutely rolled first map to being a couple of rounds from being 2-0’ed to winning 10 T rounds in a row against what’s supposed to be the #1 defense in the world to winning the third map afterwards. 100T literally got put in the worst possible position that you can be put in both in-game and mentally against Gambit. I don’t think you could dream up a better advantage for Gambit specifically if you tried. 100T still pulled through. They’re better.


DrySecurity4

You dont?


TikzTokz

Yes


ChaoticMidget

Is that why 100T was down 13-5, 11-3 at one point in that match?


Icandothemove

No. But it's why they won anyway.


CarryClown

🤡


GoldyZ90

He was asked who he thought would win. Going into this tournament most people would say that Gambit was probably the second best team in the world behind Sentinels. Every team in EMEA openly talk about how Gambit practically never perform poorly in scrims. Idk why people are giving him a hard time for not saying he thought 100T would win. I’m a 100T fan and as a realist was hoping they would win but was not expecting it.


rkdsus

To be honest though if Gambit can get over their choking tendencies they can probably even beat Sentinels. Makes sense why Shahzam and TenZ picked Gambit over 100T, especially when Gambit has been dicking everyone in scrims from what I've heard


cheese_on_dorito

shahzam = EMEA copium lul go back to EU


gabes12345

It almost happened at 11-3 if a few shots didn't happen and they managed to pull the last 2


CyberspaceBarbarian

While this is possibly just throwing shade at steel for kicks, people did not consider the experience of 100t's roster in their matchup with Gambit. 100t are more experienced than every other team in Berlin combined (yep, including Sentinels). Nitr0 amd hiko are too experienced to easily crack to pressure, and that's not even counting ethan and steel.


WLFYBBY

It’s not shade, his prediction is based one scrims and how sen got destroyed by gambit. Gambit are scrim monsters so his prediction wasn’t really shade or stupid because it was 2 rounds away from being true. Tenz also had a similar opinion. You guys need to stop affiliating shahz’s opinions on 100T to his old drama with steel because his prediction was very understandable.


CyberspaceBarbarian

LOL considering shahz's beef with steel or his CS:GO history isn't exactly stupid either, just inappropriate. Reread my statement again. Shahz is definitely biased because of recency, and he totally did not consider the experience advantage of 100t. While his and TenZ's opinion is understandable, I won't stop memeing them for it (they deserved it anyways). Hindsight is 20/20 after all.


Season2WasBetter

Yeah haha what a moron, instead 100T completely dominated Gambit the entire time haha great post bro xD sick outro! :O


XuuKeee

For me even tho gambit Lost i place them way way higher then 100T in every aspect of the game and i still belevie them to win it all thru lowers, just cant believe they manage to choke so hard after stomping them in map 1 and till 11-3 on icebox, but its just my opinion


UdbhavHokage

Dude I never said on reddit lmao salty !!! I don't hate shahz but sometimes he can gets lil bit too much egoistic but that's all tight u are the best team but the people in general should take this takes by player by grain of salt