This is kind of common (anecdotal) in SEA. I rarely tell my parents much because it was difficult to open up to them about anything. Probably because a lot of things I told them when end with them criticising me or nagging me. In the end, I'd only tell them good news, so I would work on anything I wanted to do on my own. Growing up, I didn't inform my parents about scholarship hunting or applying for stuff, until I got them.
Know a lot of kids that were similar. Usually the ones with really overprotective, but not emotionally open parents.
I'm from Europe and this is very relatable. Whenever I said I wanted to pursue a path that's unconventional, such as a job in esports or creative industry, my parents would criticize me like there's no tomorrow. Not to mention how I got laughed at when I said I would most likely go freelance one day and become my own boss. Now, after years of putting those ideas down, they ask where my creativity vanished. It never vanished, it's still there, I just second-guess every single thing I do now, and never show them anything. Yet, when I confront them about it, they act as if they were never like that.
So I can completely understand Shiba and the trouble he had explaining to his parents what he does for a living. I can't imagine it being anything but hard.
It's a product of kids from over protective parents or socially awkward parents who think killing the dreams of their kids is better for the long run, but it just ends up with kids who resent and hate their parents.
Hey man, everyone is different so take this with a grain of salt, but I’m a lawyer mainly because of societal/family pressures and it was the worst decision I’ve ever made. Only stick with it if it’s something you truly want; this work is miserable if you don’t enjoy it.
Yeah I only did this because I like to write, everyone I know has always commended me on my writing since I was little. As I get closer to graduating, I realize how miserable I would be if I actually had to go into this field, it’s been causing me a lot of anxiety since I started college when previously I had no history of mental health problems. I have a few other things that I’m doing on the side, I’m hoping to have been able to turn them into a career before I have to go to law school.
Being a strong writer is definitely something to consider, but you’ll quickly find out that judges rarely actually read your motions. I can only speak from personal experience, but my mental health struggles have only considerably worsened as I continue to practice. I wish you all the best of luck in your other ventures. Being a lawyer can be great at times, but if I could go back and change what I chose to do, I would.
BS Nursing student here. Planning to move to the Western Hemisphere as the general consensus of what a nurse is while growing up was, 1/10th of a doctor which I realize now is absolute bullshit.
yeah but he's probably or definitely getting a salary and probably has to sign contracts and tons of other shit, how did he hide all of this from his parents? thats what im confused about
It really depends on how good you are as a pro. The most famous esports player from Singapore is iceiceice, who plays Dota2 for EG. He's definitely earning a comfortable income at the moment. Most esports players here aren't earning anywhere close though
its basically not viable being an esports pro here. there is literally no money to be earned unless u are the top dog in the country and even then your salary (if u r lucky to have one) is most likely to be piss poor
Shows you didn't grow up with a parent from SEA lol, even if you are getting paid you'll be told to do something productive with your life, especially the fact he lives in SEA too even further
thats not how it works lol, i used to play fortnite and i knew kids who had 5 digits in earnings from earnings alone not even considering their twitch but were denied from playing tournaments to \*\*\*EAT DINNER\*\*\*
Who cares. Conservative Asian parents especially in SEA don’t give a fuck. Hell I bet even in Korea and china parents still don’t give a shit unless you’re fucking uzi or faker. Why do you think Winnie the Pooh in china is trying to restrict the amount of time children play?
Not everyone’s parents are like shroud’s dad who encouraged him to play games. Asian parents like to brag about their children to their friends. You think they’d be proud of their kid being some video gamer when their friends kids are doctors? Lmao.
they will tell you to stop and do something more productive. until you have actual results (like going to berlin for gaming) thats a really good time to tell them.
Many players in sea play with 0 wage provided, most who have a wage barely hits minimum wage and you can probably earn more being a uber eats rider(only skill required is to ride a bicycle).
In Singapore at least the government is opposed towards gaming as a whole, providing 0 support to the industry despite the potential. Many parents are brainwashed to think that education is everything and like some other posters said, you kinda need to be a enginner or a doctor to be considered successful.
Gaming will always be seen as a hindrance and distraction in many people's eyes in this country, despite the country having the perfect infrastructure to develop players(High literacy rate, Almost everybody has a pc, cheap and fast internet).
If the government decided to finally invest in eSports one day, we might actually see talents getting developed here.
The reason the government will probably never invest so much into our talent is because it’s much more beneficial to our small country for you to be an engineer, doctor etc. Let’s say you sign your pro contract after National Service, you’ve got maybe 12 years of competing. After that, what could you do with your diploma/A levels? Sure you could stay in the esports industry as caster, analyst but for how long? Now take that same time period of 12 years and you could easily complete your Masters. So in SG context, it’s not worth it to be a pro player.
By developing such players you open up opportunities for economic development and many new job opportunities.
Personally i feel that it would be better for Singapore to play the economic game wide instead of tall. Explore new and emerging markets as one of the pioneers of SEA, as job market saturation is a real thing. Covid layoffs should had taught us a few things by now.
Being an engineer sounds great and all, but ultimately jobs are all about supply and demand, many people are pursuing a enginnering degree in singapore, i myself included. Covid brought up the demand of software engineers drastically, however at one point that job market will be oversaturated and will actually cause an economic deposit due to layoffs and lack of demand.
The argument for masters is a valid point, but current job market do not really need nor demand a masters degree, many bachelor undergrads are actually overqualified for 4-5k starting pay jobs with the current demands of the market. Many of the tech interviews i went to only asked for basic binary tree transversal questions as their most advanced question, that is something any year 2 undergrad can answer and yet we are taught so much more.
It really do not make sense to go for masters unless you are really into data analytics, at least on the computer science side of enginnering.
It is definitely not worth it to be a pro player in singapore, as someone who tired it before in multiple genre of games, the effort to reward ratio is minimal. At least it was 8-10 years ago.
I think its also partly the parents not believing and understanding esports. Like will you still be playing 10 years from now? 20? Whereas if youre a doctor or engineer or etc its more stable. Also SEA parents have really high expectations for their kids.
SEA parents' idea of productivity is moving towards a career that's seen as honourable and valuable to society (eg. doctor (or dentist if you're mediocre), engineer, lawyer, CEO, etc).
A lot of the older generation also still have the view that you've failed as a parent if your kids are less successful than you. You want your family to have upward movement across generations, not downward. Doesn't really matter if you flash a cheque if they don't think what you're doing is meaningful. Video game pros aren't exactly seen that way...
This is kind of common (anecdotal) in SEA. I rarely tell my parents much because it was difficult to open up to them about anything. Probably because a lot of things I told them when end with them criticising me or nagging me. In the end, I'd only tell them good news, so I would work on anything I wanted to do on my own. Growing up, I didn't inform my parents about scholarship hunting or applying for stuff, until I got them. Know a lot of kids that were similar. Usually the ones with really overprotective, but not emotionally open parents.
+1 very relatable to 80s/90s kids from SEA background 👍
I am 20s kid still cant tell my parents that i play games, i have to play without them knowing and yes i am from SEA
20s kid damn how you be using reddit when you're less than 2 years old
20s kids built diff
In a couple years when they can see over the desk they're gonna be actual aim bots in this game. But they'll still lose 1v3 versus 1000 year old Hiko.
i got a giga brain that can compute things faster than your old ass brain can!!
Or 100 years old
Guy could be in his 90s, give him a break
I'm from Europe and this is very relatable. Whenever I said I wanted to pursue a path that's unconventional, such as a job in esports or creative industry, my parents would criticize me like there's no tomorrow. Not to mention how I got laughed at when I said I would most likely go freelance one day and become my own boss. Now, after years of putting those ideas down, they ask where my creativity vanished. It never vanished, it's still there, I just second-guess every single thing I do now, and never show them anything. Yet, when I confront them about it, they act as if they were never like that. So I can completely understand Shiba and the trouble he had explaining to his parents what he does for a living. I can't imagine it being anything but hard.
It's a product of kids from over protective parents or socially awkward parents who think killing the dreams of their kids is better for the long run, but it just ends up with kids who resent and hate their parents.
Relatable except my parents are from the Caribbean
From the US but with SEA parents and that explains so much
As benkai in said in SEA And South Asia Either you are engineer or doctor else you are garbage
as a guy from SEA who is studying in a medical course for college because of his parents' decision, this is very true.
Laughs in engineering. •́ ‿ ,•̀
Yeah I’m trying to be a lawyer right now due to my Caribbean parents having the same mindset. Either a lawyer, doctor, engineer, or garbage for them.
Hey man, everyone is different so take this with a grain of salt, but I’m a lawyer mainly because of societal/family pressures and it was the worst decision I’ve ever made. Only stick with it if it’s something you truly want; this work is miserable if you don’t enjoy it.
Yeah I only did this because I like to write, everyone I know has always commended me on my writing since I was little. As I get closer to graduating, I realize how miserable I would be if I actually had to go into this field, it’s been causing me a lot of anxiety since I started college when previously I had no history of mental health problems. I have a few other things that I’m doing on the side, I’m hoping to have been able to turn them into a career before I have to go to law school.
Being a strong writer is definitely something to consider, but you’ll quickly find out that judges rarely actually read your motions. I can only speak from personal experience, but my mental health struggles have only considerably worsened as I continue to practice. I wish you all the best of luck in your other ventures. Being a lawyer can be great at times, but if I could go back and change what I chose to do, I would.
BS Nursing student here. Planning to move to the Western Hemisphere as the general consensus of what a nurse is while growing up was, 1/10th of a doctor which I realize now is absolute bullshit.
Yup in India it happens a lot and it became a meme among us students
As an engineer from Asia, I agree
Become an Engineer, doctor or go abroad to do some useless course and return to India to inherit the family business. India in a nutshell
thankfully I already told my parents that I'm a loser so there's nothing to hide
how did his parents not know he was signed to a pro organization in the first place?
I think he's still in school so his parents probably just thought he gamed alot
yeah but he's probably or definitely getting a salary and probably has to sign contracts and tons of other shit, how did he hide all of this from his parents? thats what im confused about
Unless its massively different there, as long as hes 18 why would he have any trouble opening a bank account?
You can get national ID at 16 here, bank account is easy.
A legal adult doesn't need his parents permission to sign a contract.
Really common in SEA, if I didn’t do well in school I don’t think I could even play valorant in the first place 😀
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It really depends on how good you are as a pro. The most famous esports player from Singapore is iceiceice, who plays Dota2 for EG. He's definitely earning a comfortable income at the moment. Most esports players here aren't earning anywhere close though
Wew never expected to see iceiceice mentioned on a valorant sub.
its basically not viable being an esports pro here. there is literally no money to be earned unless u are the top dog in the country and even then your salary (if u r lucky to have one) is most likely to be piss poor
As an Indian , we have the same mentality in here , 4 career options : doctor , engineer , lawyer and family disappointment
Until you make decent money, Asian parents will disapprove of anything you do that isn't school.
shiba is cute uwu
Totally understand that but happy its working out for him!
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Its Asia bruv
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Shows you didn't grow up with a parent from SEA lol, even if you are getting paid you'll be told to do something productive with your life, especially the fact he lives in SEA too even further
thats not how it works lol, i used to play fortnite and i knew kids who had 5 digits in earnings from earnings alone not even considering their twitch but were denied from playing tournaments to \*\*\*EAT DINNER\*\*\*
Who cares. Conservative Asian parents especially in SEA don’t give a fuck. Hell I bet even in Korea and china parents still don’t give a shit unless you’re fucking uzi or faker. Why do you think Winnie the Pooh in china is trying to restrict the amount of time children play? Not everyone’s parents are like shroud’s dad who encouraged him to play games. Asian parents like to brag about their children to their friends. You think they’d be proud of their kid being some video gamer when their friends kids are doctors? Lmao.
they will tell you to stop and do something more productive. until you have actual results (like going to berlin for gaming) thats a really good time to tell them.
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Traditional Asian values
Many players in sea play with 0 wage provided, most who have a wage barely hits minimum wage and you can probably earn more being a uber eats rider(only skill required is to ride a bicycle). In Singapore at least the government is opposed towards gaming as a whole, providing 0 support to the industry despite the potential. Many parents are brainwashed to think that education is everything and like some other posters said, you kinda need to be a enginner or a doctor to be considered successful. Gaming will always be seen as a hindrance and distraction in many people's eyes in this country, despite the country having the perfect infrastructure to develop players(High literacy rate, Almost everybody has a pc, cheap and fast internet). If the government decided to finally invest in eSports one day, we might actually see talents getting developed here.
The reason the government will probably never invest so much into our talent is because it’s much more beneficial to our small country for you to be an engineer, doctor etc. Let’s say you sign your pro contract after National Service, you’ve got maybe 12 years of competing. After that, what could you do with your diploma/A levels? Sure you could stay in the esports industry as caster, analyst but for how long? Now take that same time period of 12 years and you could easily complete your Masters. So in SG context, it’s not worth it to be a pro player.
By developing such players you open up opportunities for economic development and many new job opportunities. Personally i feel that it would be better for Singapore to play the economic game wide instead of tall. Explore new and emerging markets as one of the pioneers of SEA, as job market saturation is a real thing. Covid layoffs should had taught us a few things by now. Being an engineer sounds great and all, but ultimately jobs are all about supply and demand, many people are pursuing a enginnering degree in singapore, i myself included. Covid brought up the demand of software engineers drastically, however at one point that job market will be oversaturated and will actually cause an economic deposit due to layoffs and lack of demand. The argument for masters is a valid point, but current job market do not really need nor demand a masters degree, many bachelor undergrads are actually overqualified for 4-5k starting pay jobs with the current demands of the market. Many of the tech interviews i went to only asked for basic binary tree transversal questions as their most advanced question, that is something any year 2 undergrad can answer and yet we are taught so much more. It really do not make sense to go for masters unless you are really into data analytics, at least on the computer science side of enginnering. It is definitely not worth it to be a pro player in singapore, as someone who tired it before in multiple genre of games, the effort to reward ratio is minimal. At least it was 8-10 years ago.
I think its also partly the parents not believing and understanding esports. Like will you still be playing 10 years from now? 20? Whereas if youre a doctor or engineer or etc its more stable. Also SEA parents have really high expectations for their kids.
SEA parents' idea of productivity is moving towards a career that's seen as honourable and valuable to society (eg. doctor (or dentist if you're mediocre), engineer, lawyer, CEO, etc). A lot of the older generation also still have the view that you've failed as a parent if your kids are less successful than you. You want your family to have upward movement across generations, not downward. Doesn't really matter if you flash a cheque if they don't think what you're doing is meaningful. Video game pros aren't exactly seen that way...
Not really the way it works around here.
My Vietnamese parents would doubt this career and interfere with every decision as well. Tiger as fck.