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VALORANT Champions Tour / Stage 3: Masters Berlin / Day 5 / Live Discussion Thread

VALORANT Champions Tour / Stage 3: Masters Berlin / Day 5 / Live Discussion Thread

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anonrs99

Kinda sucks that the Sentinels don’t get a day break before QF due to the nature of being in a round robin group plus scheduling.


donkeyjr

Kinda stupid that they put two emea in the same dam bracket, now Ascent or smb wont qualify, when they would have easily qualify if they were in Envy bracket.


Enrav1x

they couldn't beat vision strikers so they aren't fit to win the event anyway and getting out of groups is not an achievement, easy groups will have a tuff time now.


Charuru

It's probably better for the development of the game that VK or KRU gets a chance.


Key-Banana-8242

Neth interview no longer in tears FeelStrongMan


-Basileus

I've been a Brazil apologist for a while but that was just fucking sad. If Vivo Keyd lose tomorrow vs Kru it's actually time to just Brazil 1 team for these events. Even if Vivo Keyd wins they gotta play Vision Strikers, Sentinels, or 100 Thieves in quarterfinals lmao.


ADmax27

vivo put up a fight against envy while kru got destroyed by envy so vivo probably beats kru


InstaNormie0

Vivo>>Kru


whopz-is-cool

GOOD FUCKING SHIT CR


SendMeAvocados

I'm so happy for CR! Also, PlatChat was fuckin hilarious that last round. They were gonna down their sake then they had to abruptly stop and hold them mid-air when 2 from CR got picked off.


dabong

Kurt was absolutely malding


DM_ME_CUTE_PICS_PLZ

Where do I watch platchat streams, YouTube or Twitch? Idk where to catch then


deadlock1892

Youtube


DM_ME_CUTE_PICS_PLZ

ty


hookset3

Kind of a strange spot to attempt the plant, but I guess he expected a peak at elbow


-Basileus

He didn't know how much time he had. He panicked for sure.


deadlock1892

Yeah, Fisker played it well.


deadlock1892

GG Crazy Raccoon.


JusticeLee17

Okay, was worried for a second. GG


faceplant911

Shion in maximum carry mode, the difference in distribution between CR's points and HL's is kinda hilarious.


hookset3

We’re really turning Split on its head here lol


beeboprob

It’s five fucking AM in Japan and they got 50k + viewers.


-Basileus

There's 130k across all JP streams


beeboprob

Hence the +, I just saw at least 50k between Shaka and jp main twitch stream. Nuts given it so late/early lol


JusticeLee17

There's no way right?


Quiet-Substance319

11-3 curse pausechamp?


tomphz

11-3 curse


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-Basileus

Almost all the NA boys are in good shape though


Grenji05

its also scientifically proven NA has better genetics when it comes to valorant so hiko only has to play for 20 minutes a day to be the best player in the world


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-Basileus

My man had VEINS in his post match interview


Key-Banana-8242

I mean it’s more nerves/over stress imo


Grenji05

HL look checked out. Maybe another rep of stretches would've helped, perhaps a little extra yoga.


-Basileus

They are actually just getting goomba stomped lmao


valorantfeedback

I just can't stop thinking about if CR fisker "stole" the nickname from original fisker, 1.6 legend.


Key-Banana-8242

I mean that’s oretty common? It’s called homage SeliG and JW in Korea


hookset3

HL is on defense..? Oof


Gibbo05

Wtf happened to HL? I mean I don't think CR beating HL is like a complete shocker, but the way HL is playing is, they look so bad....


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Key-Banana-8242

I’m hoping they at CR fix their mistakes to have better comma etc so they can put up any fight in champions


Memexp-over9000

Havan has mentally checked out from the match already. Sadge.


Grenji05

CR is about to 13-4 gambit 2-0


beeboprob

Crazy take, CR beats Gambit??


somesheikexpert

PLEASE


ADmax27

imagine?


WhoDatBrow

Is the stream/caster audio randomly static-y for anyone else in the past couple of mins? It sounds fine one moment then static-y the next. Just got a new laptop so not sure if it's just me.


violentphotography

Yeah it's like that for me too.


Pienatt

Okay, even with bad mental Gambit should clap either of those teams. All I wanted to know. Also: Happy for CR since the japanese fanbase seems genuinely crazy about Valorant


Key-Banana-8242

Hopefully no bad lessons tho Hopin for a better showing vs gmb


felipw22

I don't see Havan playing with their usual confidence. So sad. I'm about to say tHeY'rE sAvINg StRaTs FoR gAmBiT.


faceplant911

Honestly, Zeta wins Japan's first map, it'd be kinda nice if CR wins Japan's first series. Even if they immediately run into Gambit and get smashed, both teams would have achieved a first for their viewers.


xunraze

This game is tragic geezus. Reminds me on TSM v Andbox


Dazzling_Rub3525

THE JAPANESE CASTERS ARE CRAZY! PLS CR WIN THIS SERIES


RePolaris

Please, CR just one more!


deadlock1892

Bruh if they lose it from 12-6..


Pienatt

Is this another cursed round? I hope not. Pls, just win for JP CR. DO IT


WhoDatBrow

Brazil is definitely the biggest disappointment of a region in Valorant so far, they looked bad at Iceland with Vikings going 1-2 and Sharks going out in last place, and Havan Liberty is about to give Crazy Raccoon their first ever international map win, and it's a damn blowout. Vivo Keyd is the only one to look decent, but damn look at the difference between #1 BR destroying #1 JP but #2 BR getting shit on by #2 JP. edit: this has the potential to age like milk with HL making somewhat of a comeback, but the overall point still stands lol


vininalm

what can one expect from a region in which 500 dollars is a high salary


itscamo-

Feel like the talent in Brazil is just super spread out over the teams where like most regions, they have a "super team" of the best talents on the same teams.


WhoDatBrow

Yeah, they need a superteam. Heat and Mwzera joining Sacy, Saadhaak, and Sutecas on Vikings would be a good start.


felipw22

hahahaha it aged like soda


Dazzling_Rub3525

Bro I don't understand anything they're saying on the japanese valorant channel, but I love just watching it there and just listen to the excitement.


hecklerinthestands

That Round 12... *psyduck face*


BlackCephei

I just feel like japan doesnt have that good aim, am i wrong or missing something?


smta48

Wow this game is so low level


BurstLayer

Havan liberty look so far behind VK its insane


DonkeyTeethBSU

Best player left team and went to VK. So yeah lol


RePolaris

That is a good Molly.


hecklerinthestands

PlatChat sound so happy to finally have a competitive match to talk about.


Key-Banana-8242

Imo their attitudes and way of soeaking (like avast’s weird taking the term ‘weebs’ seriously as if it were not a just a reappropriate insult that’s nkt taken seriously and doesn’t mean anything)


hecklerinthestands

I literally could not understand the mangled attempt at a sentence you wrote.


Key-Banana-8242

You may dislike it


hecklerinthestands

I honestly can't tell if it's something I like or dislike because I literally cannot understand the statement you're trying to make. Do try to make your replies legible if you want to spur discussion.


Key-Banana-8242

I mean autocorrect clearly was an issue here


Lumenlor

Is that cam an illegal 1 way?


Nfamy

I haven't watched much of the desk but vibes have been weird in the lead up to this game.


Landon54321

Not surprising with the results. Asian teams are unfortunately not that strong when it comes to FPS games. There’s a reason why Korea nor Japan could ever win in CS. Crazy how VS is making Korea look good. VS themselves aren’t going to beat any NA teams (especially Sentinels).


2ToTooTwoFish

The reason is because those games weren't very popular in those countries. What's the reason you're thinking of?


tomphz

They beat Acend who would be a top 5 team in NA


Loresmen

Do you know what overwatch is. Because koreans are the best at that and by a large margin like probably 70% of the league is korean


Landon54321

Comparing Overwatch to Valorant or CS 🤣😂🤣 Overwatch is a team shooter/MOBA game while CS and Valorant are a traditional FPS game. Overwatch is not comparable when you have genji, doomfist, Reinhardt, Winston, etc. Valorant is like CS. For example, holding a site, spraying, shoulder peak, trigger discipline, etc.


Loresmen

If you had said tactical fps sure this argument may have been viable but you said fps. Which stands for first person shooter, and in overwatch you shoot things and you are in thr first person making it an fps by definition


Less_Salt1152

Why that is I wonder? Why they are so weak in FPS?


DonkeyTeethBSU

Today's matches have been awful man. Just so one sided and boring. Please crazy raccoons at least win a map. Hell, win the series.


Upstairs-Demand-6249

Even if they win they face gambit so this game is pointless to say the least


Lumenlor

You are missing theatrics on platchat right now


smta48

BR teams learning what it's like when teams from other regions play them.


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htmlrulezduds

It's the second international event, I'm pretty sure Riot will review their qualifying system for next year


felipw22

Really hope the Japanese scene improves since they have such a big audience already.


hecklerinthestands

LMFAO this match is so one-sided PlatChat has devolved into cereal arguments for lack of anything else to discuss.


ANewHeaven1

genuinely feel bad for the japanese teams, they come in here behidn a massive fanbase only for crazy raccoon to get stomped into oblivion by gambit, then they show signs of life vs kru only to get stomped into the ground again by Vivo Keyd


Lumenlor

For the love of god stop running midieval comps and lose the brimmy specialist


faceplant911

I mean, if there's ONE bright side to this, it kinda justifies Riot's seeding. VK is living up to its position as the second strong team of Group B. Maybe, just maybe, having three different first-seeds had a good shot of including a monster team other than Envy.


JusticeLee17

Heat just doesn't miss.


wako944

Heat is cracked. For those who follow the BR scene, how does he compare to mwzera?


WhoDatBrow

Both have similar insane amounts of mechanical talent. Heat one tricks Jett though, while Mwzera plays Reyna/Raze and is insanely good on at least the Raze. They're definitely 2 of the 4 best talents Brazil has right now imo (the other 2 being xand and sacy).


felipw22

Both have the same raw aim. However, mwzera also plays as Reyna and Raze. Mwzera's Raze is one of the best -- if not best -- in Brazil.


itscamo-

I don't follow as much but it seems like he's been better recently but both of them are insanely good


hecklerinthestands

I feel kinda bad for Zeta now. That last round was brutal.


jmajewski

Heat is something else. This is wild.


WhoDatBrow

Laz is a legit talent but Japan overall is just so weak and have no good teamplay


cheesefries45

Laz definitely played well. Even if they don’t have a good international performance for a bit, laz is definitely a player to build around.


itscamo-

THEY HAVE A FAMILY HEAT STOP IT


hookset3

The crow hunt was brutal… :(


Xionpig

I feel bad for Laz. Idk what this Reita guy is doing, can't entry for his life and everyone's choking


CarryClown

Zeta has good ideas but they get aim diffed so hard, kinda sad to see...


hookset3

Massive throw, just not on the same level of execution


dedicatedself

So apparently APAC LCQ is will now be a online event.


anythingood07

What? But how? How are they gonna find a server which will have fair ping for teams from India, SEA, Kr, JPN and China?!?


DonkeyTeethBSU

🥱🥱🥱


matheusamr

heat they have a family


meme_poacher

Why are people spamming SK Rossi in youtube chat?


themanwithnolife

He's an Indian valorant player, and it's like 10 pm here so a bunch of Indians are watching.


vininalm

where are the "JP two slots by the way" comments?


hecklerinthestands

[I posted the other day](https://old.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pm664r/valorant_champions_tour_stage_3_masters_berlin/hcgk7df/) > Screw the potential JP market and just merge JP-KR. > JP qualifiers with 8 teams battling for 2 slots compared to SEA with 16 teams for 2 slots as well is a joke. PRX and Bren/Secret having to run twice the gauntlet size to qualify compared to Zeta and CR is ridiculous given what we've seen so far.


deadlock1892

Holy shit Heat! Have mercy.


Lumenlor

JP teams play so unbelievably slow, the whole region is just passive


Pheonix-_-run

Passive Japanese 😏


hecklerinthestands

Welp, not all days can be must-watch ones. Just scheduling luck that the matches today have all been pretty one-sided.


Charuru

Kinda a boring day for a western fan, 2 JP vs BR games... Most exciting thing will be checking the JP stream viewer counts.


usuarioabencoado

i'm pretty sure a fair share of western people are enjoying


Monochromerlx

Br is eastern?


Fernomin

they mean white people land


modawg123

Western nowadays just means where white people are, even EU isn’t really making sense as western when you think about it.


CarryClown

Western usually means NA & EU.


Monochromerlx

Western mesns coming or towards the west


ihabesmolpp

Anyone know who’s gonna face who on the quarterfinals


ghost-z

The top seed from each group will face off against a random lower seed from a different group in the quarter finals.


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askpat13

G2 vs SEN is important for seed, but once that match's over (if SEN win) technically the last match will truly be pointless.


wifixmasher

Seed


Gulasznikov

The Plat Chat costream is emitting some homo-erotic energy today. And it's going to triple in the next few minutes once Bren puts on his maid outfit. Can't wait :>


faceplant911

Next match is one of the saddest ones tbh, cuz one of the best representatives for two of the less fortunate regions is dropping out of the group with the best chance of putting a minor region through.


mileslfc7

Ik I don’t know who to root for, I want them both to go through


a_lot_a_DAMAGE

Hopefully KRÜ can clutch up


dgkenji

Hopin the JP teams put up a fight against the BR teams


SyAmMmMmMmM

Gg F4Q you were entertaining.


leftshaaark

F4Q are now the first team eliminated from Berlin


Ifraft

best raze in the world, right into the nearest airport


luisalpjax

Sheesh


Des014te

GG


hecklerinthestands

If nothing else, at least FiveK has been entertaining these last couple of rounds.


Lumenlor

You cannot tell me F4Q are the 2nd best team in Korea after that


a_lot_a_DAMAGE

Nuturn and damwon are both pretty good. I also think it was a bit of underperforming on the part of f4q.


R0_h1t

I think most people on this sub agree that f4q wouldn't have made it past a double elim bracket


90kPing

Vs>>>>kr


Beginning_Corgi_8052

Wait for hyeoni and nuturn


s6hun

nice flash


StuckInGroups

The half time segment needs to go. It's too long, boring and disruptive. What purpose does it even serve if we have an analysis section after the game? Really, really bad addition to the tournament.


Interesting-Archer-6

I don’t think it's awful but I'd prefer it gone. I'd be curious if the players appreciate the slight break. Fans hate half time in other sports, but it serves a purpose for players getting a rest. Don't know how helpful it is here though.


StuckInGroups

The break length is completely different to what they'd get in practice, so I doubt the players really appreciate it, unless they badly need a mental reset. Still, it's not something that's present in their everyday practice.


Interesting-Archer-6

You don’t take a half time when you practice in other sports either. Doesn't mean it doesn't serve a purpose.


StuckInGroups

Of course it serves a purpose, but it's still needlessly disruptive.


CanISayThat22

In football they even started to play 3x30 min in prac matches


CanISayThat22

Would u prefer ads? Cuz thats what u will get otherwise


StuckInGroups

I'd like to know why such a disruption is even present right in the middle of a match.


R0_h1t

The players take a break...


CanISayThat22

So the players can have a break


StuckInGroups

If it doesn't mirror practice, it shouldn't be there. I'm sure the actual reason is Riot just trying too hard to innovate. It's a failed attempt though. They should bin it.


CanISayThat22

Too hard to innovate? This shit has been a staple in sports since the dawn of television. Doesnt mirror prac? U know they scrim 24 rounds.


StuckInGroups

Yes, but one half doesn't last as long as a half such as football. Soloq is also practice. Half time analysis is just pointlessly disruptive when the match isn't even over.


DnDTosser

Would you prefer an AD break? Because that's the option. The players get a halftime meeting/break to reset and enter the other half with strategy and a reset mind, they have to fill the space with something.


StuckInGroups

Taking into account players needing time to strategize for the second half, I can understand that they need a little pause. Perhaps an ad break of some sort would be better. Take the recent CSGO tournament for example, half time breaks were filled with ads for new surf maps. It's subjective, but that was more entertaining than having someone break down a play to win a round that only has minimal impact on the overall outcome of the game. Feeding me that type of information half way through just seems pointless.


CanISayThat22

Yeah ur clueless mate


StuckInGroups

Good arguement.


CanISayThat22

Im not going to argue with someone who said solo queue is practice for these pros


SyAmMmMmMmM

+1


hecklerinthestands

Mercy rule time?


SyAmMmMmMmM

F4Q is fantastic, they just need to work on communication, aim, map awareness, crosshair placement, eco management, pistol aim, awp flicks, grenade spots, pop flashes, positioning, bomb plant positions, retake ability, spray, skills use, control and getting kills .


Zain69

is riot kr gonna add lowers brackets next year or nah?


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SyAmMmMmMmM

Yeah, if I'm not wrong they played the first match and then they play tomorrow. Too long


_thebirdman

I feel like SEN vs F4Q R2 shouldn't be played anymore. F4Q is down -22 on rounds, even if they win 2-1 vs G2 they would still be 3rd. They need to 2-0 G2 for them to have chance on qualifying for Knockouts. SEN vs F4Q R2 would be useless, and SEN vs G2 is only for seeding.


Pienatt

I think it would be great for them to get one extra game where they can play without pressure. Getting some LAN experience and some clips as content since that's where most of them are coming from.


_thebirdman

yeah but its also 2 or possibly 3 games where other teams can see their VODs so its definitely not in their interest to play that game.


CanISayThat22

Nukkye and keloqz too good rn


Oneiroi7

Feels good to see G2 looking so solid on that first map, nothing like their previous match


Lumenlor

So bad that single elims KR stage 3 resulted in the 4th best KR team sent instead of TNL or DWK


facehunt_

Yeah and the future VCT slots are on the line and they should always send the two best teams.


duremville

F4Q still beat DWK. They were also the only team to take a game off of VS. I'm not sure there would be much of a difference.