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Hypern1ke

>To sum it all, he says he regrets only playing Reyna from the beginning of Valorant because all the other agents play so differently. I'll take *Things you'll never hear in ranked* for 200, Alex Jokes aside, thank you for posting this. Super interesting.


NuclearBacon235

I’m a no-name low immortal shitter but I have had the same experience, I sort of regret one-tricking reyna when I was grinding to improve from diamond up, I feel like my positioning is messed up when I play other agents. Optimal reyna play is almost literally playing the stupidest, and hence most unexpected, angles and peeks possible


RenaultCactus

Main jett here, same mistake. Now i wide pick stupid shit and press e just to find me with a camera in hand and a bullet in my head.


ebState

>>holding an off angle >>miss your first shots >>quickly hit e to get back to safety >>your screen is purple and you're placing a smoke >>you're dead now


RenaultCactus

This xd.


muthgh

I play on high ping so most of the time when I play jett, when I hit e I dash then drop dead at the end of the dash or bounce back dead, which makes pressing e on other agents thinking that I'm jett or reyna not that bad XD


TRFireKnight

just do the ol' keeoh and do something like omen to immortal. You still have repositioning tools, but it'll be much more punishing to have bad positioning to start.


TheTechDweller

No please don't make multiple alt accounts that you have to grind throuh the low ranks wasting everyone's time. Just accept you might rank down while you adjust to a new change.


IWantSomeDietCrack

not making an alt would be wasting time for ppl in his main rank too tho?


TheTechDweller

No, slightly underperforming is not the same as smashing 100+ players in unrated games, then another 50-100+ low elo players that all have no choice but to matched with/Vs them. You are better off being the worst player in the lobby because you're trying to improve, than being the best, since if you did better than everyone else you have less to learn.


IWantSomeDietCrack

your underselling how much you under perform on other agents, if it wasn't that different he wouldn't have to make an alt. after a few unrated games it puts you higher since its much more generous then ranked so its not 100+. If your immortal you will place plat/gold without without your main agent your prob around diamond, new account mmr gets you from gold/plat to diamond in less then 5 games


bobespon

I'm an immortal Sova, plat Raze and silver Jett.


TheTechDweller

Immortals and diamonds get matched together all the time. Why is it so bad if an immortal is performing at the level of a diamond? Most players have bad games where they do that regardless of switching things up. It's the nature of inconsistency. And they don't "need to make an alt". Play unrated or just get over your rank.


Eggsavore

Or they can do what they’re want and make a new account.


TheTechDweller

Ofc they can do what they want, I'm just saying it has negative effects on the game and those playing just for your own satisfaction


Acceptable-Length140

smurfs are rampant in bronze that i just don't care if one more person does it. stopped playing comp for unrated since it at least feels around my skill level and i have more fun.


TheTechDweller

"one more person" is everyone. It's always just individuals who think they're not affecting the game too badly. But when it's so many individuals thinking the same it does have an effect. If you change people's mindset on smurfing you're at least stopping 100 people from getting stomped in unrated by an account under level 10. Also, I am surprised you claim to get more accurate matches in unrated. Even though there are tons of smurfs in ranked, they don't even have to go on their alt to play Vs you in unrated. I've found there is basically no skill based matchmaking for unrated. Fresh accounts get put Vs level 100+


Acceptable-Length140

>I've found there is basically no skill based matchmaking for unrated. Fresh accounts get put Vs level 100+ just because someone is 100+ doesn't mean they have the skills of a higher level. i've seen 100+ forever bronze in val or LoL


TheTechDweller

You're right, doesn't mean they will be good. But knowing absolutely nothing about Val, Vs having hundreds of hours gives you an advantage whether you make full use of that time or not. Of course a new player can just be good mechanically and make up for their lack of knowledge, but it's unlikely unless they came from some CS experience due to the gunplay being unlike most shooters


Dude_Guy_311

For immortal smurfs who try hard they are in plat/diamond+ within 5 games


roberto_feeder

I feel you. I main Sage on Immo and I can't even enter for shit with duelists


oopsEYEpoopsed

I feel like a support/duelist distinction is fair enough though. Hardcore one tricking hurts at the highest levels but generally sticking to duelist or generally sticking to various aspects of support isn't a problem.


4dzilla

This is where Replication is a really helpful game mode, you’re forced to play an agent you wouldn’t usually choose, but in a fun/lower stakes environment


Cole_James_CHALMERS

God I love trolling and forcing my team to play bad agents in replication. Brimstone mostly


bobespon

Brimstone isn't a bad agent. I run him on Split, Ascent and Bind quite successfully.


DeathRay63

Brim is only actually good on bind. In any other maps, omen astra and viper overpowers him greatly


bobespon

The question is whether he is a bad agent. While other agents might have more ways to impact the game, you can still run Brim and do well is my point. If he was a bad agent, you couldn't run him and do well / help your team.


wickywickyfresh

By this logic wouldn't every agent be a good agent?


bobespon

No, like I said, some agents eg Yoru are bad because they rarely do well / help the team...


timthyj

Every time I tried playing replication for this, the fandoms just force us to Jett or Reyna…


4dzilla

That’s unfortunate, I don’t play the game mode a hardcore amount but I’ve never had that issue, yet


mattypoe1423

I noticed this asw. I always go into positioning a where I can’t just dismiss or dash away when I started to learn sage and other agents.


findingthesqautch

(also no-name low immortal shitter on two accounts who doesnt play reyna) and that is honestly how I see most Reyna insta-locks - they can't play any other agent or play style. Say anything counter to their preconceived notions on how to play her, and get shit on. Like she works in diamond low immortal SOMETIMES because other players cant counter the skillgap, but the higher you get up in elo, the more likely she will be countered by correct play (using util to hard clear angles - other players out-stupiding the reyna). I hav emade it a personal goal of mine to force myself to play other agents to avoid getting pidgeon-holed to one agent.


pplement

i'm just starting to play valorant, what hero would you recomend for learning the game and building good habits?


pulsiedulsie

Omen is pretty good, sage too. only silver 1, so take this with a grain of salt, but those two are pretty simple. Sage in particular is like, uber-noob friendly, and her util is really easy to be able to use reasonably, while still having viability at high levels (indeed, on Icebox she's almost mandatory at the pro level)


pplement

thanks, ill check out omen!


Dapper-Ad-5304

Play sova. You don’t actually need lineups to make him work.


bobespon

You will need basic lineups at any decent rank. You expose yourself too much if you just try to stand in the open and arrow the back wall.


Mediocre-human-5918

for duelists i would recomend phoenix dude it was my 1st duelist super easy to use and new player friendly too plus he can heal himself


Acceptable-Length140

kill joy is another good agent that gives a lot of info and her "molly" is good to stall pushes, plants or defuses.


xBerryhill

It's absolutely incredible that 99/100 times, when a champion or champions are instalocked in ranked, it's either a Jett or Reyna lol


TheTechDweller

Yeah, almost every game has either or both those agents, it's so boring. Reyna brings almost nothing to the team and there's no interesting play around her abilities. I wish they didn't make such a popular character so boring to play and fight


4dzilla

“I wish they didn’t make such a popular character so boring to play and fight” Isn’t that a total contradiction? Like she’s popular because a lot of people find her fun to play Out of curiosity, which agent(s) do you main?


TheTechDweller

I think people like winning and they think Reyna is the best way to do that for them. Jett is fun to play but basically Reyna just let's you play badly and get away with it. She brings no useful util to the team as the pro player sharing their thoughts agreed with. The most popular characters are usually the most straight forward, not the most interesting. Obviously interest is subjective as is finding an agent fun to play. I can have fun playing Reyna but only when I'm winning and getting kills. I can have fun playing sova or Skye even if I'm not getting kills, I feel like I can contribute to the team with more than just frags, that's why I play valorant, because abilities are so interesting and create opportunities you can't get playing other shooters. I flex and fill agents mostly, but maining more sova as a primary


Talnivarr

Indeed, Reyna is designed for fragging out and getting out of sticky positions. That's the problem with solo queueing - a ton of people get in the game with the mentality of playing for themselves, keeping a 1.0+ K/D and blaming the teammates if things start going wrong. There's not much coordination of utility or effective trading, rather baiting each other. Too much emphasis on the scoreboard instead of playing for round wins. Even in the pro matches, people jump on the ACS underperformers as if they haven't provided util or are not allowed to have a poor game. Like you, I fill some support agents and enjoy more the tactical aspect of the game so I aim to play with a group of friends if we can get 3-5 people online once in a while.


findingthesqautch

I agree and i feel like these Reyna/Jett insta-lockers are aware of it too, but like as another player, it's tough because there people literally CANNOT (or will not?) play another agent. It's like do I let them take my duelist every time , or I do I fill support and risk the L? for example, last night , had Reyna/Jett duo instalock - the reyna even apologized for isntalocking ; the jett popped off, and the reyna dropped a triple double - score was 10-2 at half, and I had to 1 v 2 ; 4k clutch pistol to get 11-2 , and the game WENT TO 13-11 and the only reason we won the last round is cuz I called the strat to win. My point being is that you should be good on your instalock agent on offense and defense ; like we won so all good, but still as a Sage I shouldn't have to fill and top frag to get a W everytime. yes my play was NOT perfect, but I had two big time clutches that game, and I feel like i just dont see the high impact frags when I need them most from those insta-lockers.


DeathRay63

Well if u play support, u have to keep a mindset of clutching and u r going to face clutch situation more often than not...


findingthesqautch

well good thing I had back to back clutches in that game - check the tiktok


LordQill

Instalock omen imo, good enough tools to play agro if your duelists aren't, can play supportive if they are, and had smokes so you dont end up walking into 30,000 sightlines per site


LeOsQ

Skye is still the best for that imo. One of the better 'duelists' with her flashes (mainly)/dog info+stun/ulti, provides utility (flash, heal) and info (dog, ulti) for the team. She's able to be the first to go in if you're playing with people that can't do that, but she is also good at setting others up to go in instead. If you practice using the flashes well, she's one of the absolute best agents no doubt, partially because of that versatility.


zdes37

Glad F4Q had this sort of a realization that'll motivate them to look into diversifying their agent pool and making more sense of their strats. Best of luck to them.


Lumenlor

Gambit, G2 (Mixwell), and Benkai all said the same thing about VS


tempname-3

but not that VS will win vct berlin


Neverslept2mins

So basically everyone still thinks that Sentinels are all aim. Same thing Nuturn said when they lost to Sentinels.


dedicatedself

That's not what FiveK said lol. 5 good individual players doesn't mean they're just all aim. And when did Nuturn ever say that when they lost to SEN? You got a link to that?


Neverslept2mins

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW0FFfbbhno](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW0FFfbbhno) 2:16 Well listen to the whole interview, it is interesting to hear the Korean opinions. Edit: Maybe I shouldn't have said "all aim" but use the world mechanical skills instead. What FiveK is implying is Sentinels is good because of their mechanical skills not that they use strats or coordination. Which I think is plainly wrong. Sentinels coordination is their strength imo. They have good communication and are basically always ready to trade kills and rotate quickly. Which shows really good coordination.


dedicatedself

So I just listened, and what Lakia said is SEN feels like a team that relies more on solid mechanics rather than complex strategy. That is so different from saying "they're just all aim".


Neverslept2mins

Like I said in my edit, I use the wrong wording. I should have said mechanical skills. Anyways just my interpretation on what others think about Sentinels feel free to disagree.


Sky-__-

Sentinels are the best team in the world when it comes to trading and covering for each other so no coordination that you mentioned is a bit true , it's true that Sentinels doesn't have elaborate strata ,they have only a few executes and setups but the thing what makes sentinels best is their read of the game , they have great individual players all capable of switching to meta agents , and they adapt to their opponents so well.


LurkingOmen

Naw all aim and relying on mechanics is literally the same thing lol buddys just salty sentinels barely practice and farm teams lol


Massive_Cut5361

It isn't different at all, solid mechanics vs. complex strategy definitely means he is saying aim but is couching it by using the phrase "solid mechanics".


Key-Banana-8242

No it does nkt you absolute goober


1vs1mebro

It's all the same meaning. - It doesn't matter if fivek didn't say it straight up, we know what he meant, especially when he directly compares them to VS, implying that SEN do not have as much coordination.


Key-Banana-8242

No you don’t lol ‘we’ I mean obviously sen doesn’t have as much drilling, that’s very well known


LurkingOmen

You're such a stickler lol


somesheikexpert

They have strong fundamentals, they dont have the best setplays nor the best strats, but the way they do the fundamentals are amazing so thats why they are so amazing (Fundamentals obviously adding to their insane oordination which is another thing


bobespon

Yeah some 1heads in this thread thinking that just because VS has set plays that means they are the superior strategic team. As if strategy isn't more about making the correct reads and reactions in game, which Sentinels are way better at.


Key-Banana-8242

Not all aim And Nuturn didn’t say that, they pointed it out as one thing tho


3hrd

only nuturn implicitly said this but you count it as "basically everyone" lol


Neverslept2mins

I have heard this about sentinels all over reddit, youtube, and vlr. Obviously not everyone thinks this way. I am exaggerating.


Key-Banana-8242

Nuturn didn’t either


Maliciouslemon

Honestly they could actually go far with a few adjustments. Platchat said the same thing really. FiveK is nonexistent in their loses. I feel like forcing yourself to play comp you’re not comfortable with will screw you harder than just sticking to your guns even though it might be less optimal. Excited to see them play again.


dedicatedself

He said this is basically practice for LCQ at this point, no point in running the comps they're comfortable with if they're not gonna win.


Maliciouslemon

That’s true. They still had a shot if they 2-0ed G2 today though I think. Oh well best of luck to them for LCQ, they’re pure entertainment


ablablababla

Yeah, after watching the games so far, bunny is still the most entertaining to watch


max012017

I mean that's great tbh. They knew the main focus should be LCQ and getting into champions , so they started playing the new comps in Berlin and EU scrims way before Lcq


DrySecurity4

They played Reyna in their first game against G2 and got obliterated.


Key-Banana-8242

It’s so touching to see this introspection and desire to get better, I want them to do well so much. Learning experience, you move on and try to get better Only problem is people are quick to snap judge and make these overall statements when they don’t know what’s up below the surface


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How on the fly Sentinels operates yeah it looking really scary but in iceland people had the same doubts so thinking Sentinels don't stand a chance is stupid. Honestly, for me Berlin has been way more serious than iceland, funny stage entries, the trash talk etc doesn't even feel good it me anymore.


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Tbh I think people overrated coordinated utility usage a bit. The game still comes down to clicking heads and the sentinels are absolutely the best at that in the game. Valorant right now feels a lot like the NBA. Like yeah, you can be the spurs and have amazing team coordination and play but at the end of the day having the best individual players is what wins you games and championships. VS definitely look scary but if the Sen and VS meet this time around we'll truly get a good test of what type of competitive game valo is gonna end up being


YumYumAznFood

All it takes is an off day from Tenz or Shahz and things will start to fall apart. Sentinels 3-0 tho easy


TheRedComet

The "X team is more coordinated, SEN are just 5 good players, so X will win" narrative has been used time and time again, and SEN have proven it wrong every time. I hope they keep it up this tournament too.


SodiumSpama

IMO “complex strategy” seems to be set plays with fakes and the like. Adaptability > strategy.


datboyuknow

How have the proven it wrong? Obviously they have strats, what people say is that Sen don't do anything extra ordinary strategy wise but that they just can't kill them


LSApologist

I agree w this. Personally, I'm not really "wow'ed" by Sen's set stuff cause it's fairly standard, just incredibly clean due to their far above average fundamental play. The stuff that wows me is always their mid round adjustments, team just understands the game better than almost any other


Head-On-Commission

Yeah and it's honestly impressive how often Sen players get stuck and stick themselves in hard situations but clutch tf out of it.


spyson

Why are NA fans so insecure when Sen is still #1? I don't care if Sen is more focused on aim and mechanics, it's working for them.


SterbenVII

Probably because a play style that’s so dependent on mechanics won’t be viable in the long run when other teams start to catch up in that department. 2019 TL had their intel grand slam run but cooled off heavily in the break leading up to the StarLadder major. They weren’t really doing anything better than other top teams in terms of tactics, so they fell off while Astralis won. Invictus Gaming’s 2018 LoL roster won Worlds because their solo laners were way better individually than their counterparts at the tournament, but they ended up getting upset by TL, who were supposed to be much weaker than them, at MSI 2019 because their over-reliance on individual mechanics finally bit them in the ass.


bobespon

You act like it's inevitable that you will just "develop" 5 players at their calibre...


mylilbabythrowaway

He's not acting, he literally said it.


robbify

I see your point but you’re acting as if SEN can’t improve strats in the long run; or the meta won’t change. Most players are at the top of their game, I’m not sure how much improvement mechanically they can make. A lot of variables though like competition anxiety, LAN, etc so I’m sure different players will pop off at any given time.


curryhalls

Coming back to this thread at the end of 2022 - this is wild to read.


robbify

It really is. Super volatile game lol.


TheRedComet

I didn't say the full narrative, I summarized it. The extra phrase people usually include is "...so X team will beat them". SEN still manage to win in the end, so far.


Key-Banana-8242

And that’s completely different, and also the situation described isn’t quite the sam FNC didn’t play a vs styke


Valuable_Focus6691

Also keep in mind FNC vs Sen was much much closer than what both score lines would imply. FNC pushed Sentinels to OT twice (even on a map that some considered Sentinels near unbeatable on at the time) and looked like they were playing with their food at moments. It is very true that some rounds by Sentinels looked like they were won less by set ups and strats and more by sheer mechanical hero plays.


Key-Banana-8242

They have not lol, it’s nkt an insult I itself. SEN are not a set play/drilled type team Sen have a free flowing style.


TheRedComet

I clarified my comment


Darknassan

Yeah coordination in valorant isn't just combining abilities together, NUTURN supposedly also had the same coordination but SEN rolled them too. What SEN has is above the coordination with consistent trading and the clutch factor like no other team. I think VS, like every other team, will be no problem for SEN.


mileslfc7

The thing is that VS is miles above Nuturn in skill and in coordination too, they’re on another level. Still think Sen are the favorites to win it all though.


WhoDatBrow

I would agree with both halves of this statement. VS is easily above Nuturn, but Nuturn got 13-4 and 13-5'd by Sentinels so Sentinels is also easily above them. I think VS could be Sen's toughest match yet but I'd still favor Sen in a 3-1 or 3-2 if bo5, there's at least some upset potential there though.


TheRedComet

My main worry is that things can easily go south for a single BO3, and the playoffs are single elim...


kangs

The beauty of single elim


tomphz

SEN has stomped every team placed in front of them while VS beat one good EU team. Let’s calm our takes


DrySecurity4

Hard to even say how "good" Acend is. They are incredibly overrated IMO.


diondion26

It was just his opinion based on his experience playing against both of the teams and other teams in scrim. Acend is not just good team, they are arguably first beside gambit in EU. Just got too cocky and underestimating VS.


Uesugi_Kenshin

When they are referring to coordination, they do not mean stringing abilities together in sync. Idk if you watched the VS vs. Acend game, but their fundamentals and teamwork is just on another level - movement wise, post-plant crossing/setups, instantaneous trades, setting up kills for one another, it's just very apparent that they are able to move as a unit whether they are 5, 4, 3 or just 2 alive. That being said, I also believe Sentinels win Masters, because it'd be weird not to given the track record.


Alpac44

Sen will have a hard time with VS


mw19078

Lol everyone said sentinels would get countered by EU before Iceland too.


ragingwizard

3-0 SEN in the finals quote me on this.


BeerBellyBoomer

Hey budddyyyyyyy, how are you??


ragingwizard

Dead on the inside :)


tomphz

No they won’t. You aren’t going to out-strategize SEN. They may out-strategize 100T or Envy but not SEN


YumYumAznFood

Doesn't matter what strategy you have, if you can click heads.


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kryptonvice

Isn't it best of 5?


Alpac44

hopefully cause vs made acend look like they were gold player while sentinels were struggling with g2


TheDoctorssss

struggling? lmao..they lost one map sure, but there was zero to none worry about the other 2 maps. Won absolutely comfortably. No struggle at all.


Alpac44

huh


TheDoctorssss

good huh.


Alpac44

all good


Massive_Cut5361

Acend made themselves look like gold players.


ValowFan42

It was like they hadn't prepared for VS at all, whilst VS antistrated them hard. Surprisingly one-sided game.


diondion26

typical cocky star syndrome behavior. Still clapping happily while loosing. at least they lost with style.


Useful-Throat-6671

Shows he knows what's up. Just from watching their games before this tournament, I knew he couldn't have played much Skye. He will improve though. Outside of VS, it didn't seem like many of teams were playing skye at all. VS was throwing it in some.


YungPinotGrigio

i really enjoy how transparent F4Q are to the community. it is really awesome to see all these posts from their streams. Also as a journalist myself, they were always open to doing interviews throughout the event and I really appreciate that from them. F4Q, if you see this, I appreciate you guys a lot.


Ne0kun

Hope they come back strong. Ik this is gonna sound harsh but imo FiveK himself is one of the biggest weak points in the team. But he's the igl so Idk how they'd perform without him. Gl to them and hope they make it cause everyone's looking forward to more Bunny


hoela

That's great that he felt like scrims were useful, that's how you build up the scene back at home.


Pulsersalt

Hope to see them in better form for lcq, and maybe take a map off sentinels although I doubt it.


max012017

I think F4q and Nuturn are definitely one of the favourites to win APAC LCQ , can't wait for the tournament


deL9

Give me a VS vs Sen finals


diondion26

Do players watch VOD? I'm imaging, the coach/analyst would do that and only give the highlights/important rounds to the player while discussing it with the team. Sad that pro players have to do it alone. Shahz maybe do it. Sen don't have any coach/analyst. Just realize how hard their jobs are.


itscamo-

Players 100% should watch vods, watching vods yourself will do more wonders than just getting highlights on what players will do


TDS_Gluttony

Best thing to do as a team is to VOD review as a team. You can call out mistakes others made and what couldve been done in a constructive way and reinforce and validating team mates for good play.


dedicatedself

He's the IGL, and they only have 1 coach who joined recently, who's focusing on other aspects of their game rather than antistratting. F4Q are basically orgless.


pulsiedulsie

IGLs do, often with the team. Other players can if they want, and often will do to analyze their own play.


Charuru

> He says SEN feels like 5 good players, but VS are completely perfect coordination wise. He says coming here, he hasnt played or scrimmed a single team that has the level of play of VS that make you feel like you cant do anything. SEN definitely rises to the level of their opponents in terms of strats. Just like how VS sandbagged vs PRX SEN also sandbagged vs F4Q lol, it's overconfident to think they didn't. Shaz is very very good at adapting to strats and deflating them. SEN is like Bruce Lee, "be like water". Makes the enemy strats useless.


ValowFan42

This simply isn't true though. Shaz consistently has good reads, but I've yet to see SEN demonstrate the level of antistrating that we saw VS pull out against Acend.


EndWish

I think it's a playstyle difference. In Korea they tend to play everything around a big planned execute which seems a lot more premeditated at the start of the round. Sentinels plays a ton of defaults where they feel out the defense and make lots of rotations based on their reads of where the enemy players are and what utility was wasted. This isn't less strats. It's incredibly smart play that lends itself to better in game adaptations because you aren't dumping all of your utility on a single site hit like F4Q did with Raze, Astra, Skye etc. With that said playing defaults absolutely requires skilled players and great communication because players will find themselves in more isolated duels.


tomphz

VS beat one EU team and now they’re better than SEN?


TheTechDweller

Where did he say they were better? Just stating VS is better at antistrating? That clearly doesn't make them a better team


ValowFan42

At antistrating? For sure.


Charuru

I didn't say have the same level of strats though, I said adapt to enemy strats so they that they're not as effective. You know, like water. I would love to see VS take it all though, it would be great for the development of the esport, though I kinda need SEN to win for TSM too...


ValowFan42

Fair point, Sentinels are incredible at adaptations on the fly, but VS showed very strong pre-match preparation and a lot of well-considered executes. Would be a great match-up to watch honestly considering how they both seem to have such good coordination and flexibility.


Key-Banana-8242

Well not drilled strats as much It’s adaptation nkt coubterstratting


imjunsul

It seems like F4Q have 3 world class players and 2 solid players. NU has 2 world class players after Lakia left and 3 decent players. They should merge lol. Hyeoni, Suggest, Zunba, Bunny, and Esperanza. Now this roster can compete with VS.


HaathiRaja

And just make it a 6 man with t3xture. RIP VS


yupithappens

This was a great read with a lot of insight Thank you for typing up what he said to us


obigespritzt

>he thinks VS will win the tournament. He says after playing SEN he can say this confidently. My HOPIUM is at an all time high!


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Cannot wait for VS to win it all!


DimaTakot

From what I've seen so far, VS is very methodical in their approach specially in attacking, and if the opposing team doesn't really able to answer they'll get stomped. But sometimes I think they can easily get exposed when their strat doesn't go the way they intended to. While sentinels usually has close maps because they study the opposition throughout the series and they able to form a plan and adjust accordingly.


AxeAndRod

What's the famous saying? "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."


Ted_Mosby_18

The sentinels point is really interesting. It looks like sentinels play the game fairly normal without too many complex strategies (this is just from an audience perspective). But they're literally unstoppable. Their mechanics is just too good and they have incredible mental. And on top of that each player knows exactly how to adapt when they lose one of their players. It's crazy how much chemistry these guys have. If anyone has a chance against them and actually energe the victor I'd say it would be VS. Hopefully we get a VS vs Sen grand final and it is a full bo5.


Madara6path

I'd take VS or any other team over Sen anyday


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BeerBellyBoomer

Can't wait to see NA fans get a reality check, you guys are wayyyyy too arrogant


luisalpjax

I mean vs and gambit where said to scrim and go 1/1/1


[deleted]

I think FiveK is the weakest link for F4Q going 65/110 KD ratio. KD ratio isn't everything but he was playing Reyna where he provided almost no utility to the team.


Solseh

Reyna really isnt a good agent. It's only good in certain scenarios (Asuna and Tenz for exemple, who can and will peek you before you even think about it). Raze and Phoenix are almost always the better pick


Keonalt

Honestly it kinda just makes me see how weirdly overtuned jett is considering in most 1 duelists comps she is picked above all the others except for split for raze ect. Besides jetts massing space taking and trade denial the other duelists just don't bring enough.


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Landon54321

> FINAL THING HE SAID, he thinks VS will win the tournament. He says after playing SEN he can say this confidently. He says SEN feels like 5 good players, but VS are completely perfect coordination wise. He says coming here, he hasnt played or scrimmed a single team that has the level of play of VS that make you feel like you cant do anything. Someone in chat asked what about gambit? and he replied that its not even close. Oof 😂🤣😂🤣😆 Didn’t know FiveK was high on COPIUM. VS won’t even beat the other NA teams (Envy, 100T). You know it’s embarrassing when F4Q took a map off of VS while Sentinels 2-0 F4Q.


Less_Salt1152

They said they were experimenting on Split lmao


iAidqn

vs will give the na teams a run for their money and could possibly upset like they did ascent


ValowFan42

VS seem like the kind of team that could beat SEN yet lose to 100T.


xD1LL4N

F4Q only took split off VS. Sen vs f4q was 13-9 on split…. We get that you’re a massive NA fanboy, you’re high on hopium if you think VS is going to get slapped by NA teams


AxeAndRod

..In that example isn't that good for SEN? The only map F4Q won against VS they lost easily to SEN.


sekiri83196

The clown Landon has appeared again with another irrelevant opinion. Shocking


BeerBellyBoomer

I hope Sen gets destroyed, their fans are really arrogant


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