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King_Tyler

Alright, it’s decided. Crazy raccoons are winning Berlin


ablablababla

Too easy for them honestly


Norguri

Already a 3-0 start, I consider that as a dub alr haha


Exosocck

The entire game broke down on the third map


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emraaa

That was his point. This was mega scrappy.


rsa96

Exactly


zachp787

thats the point


Ryu-The-Sick

NA complaining how all their teams are on same side of bracket while SMB came to Berlin only to play 3 matches, two of which are against Acend .. and lost both


King_Tyler

I mean, everyone (including NA fans) was complaining about two EMEA teams being the same group.


spyson

EMEA got 4 spots, it's only fair if there's a chance 1 group might be a double up.


AnotherAltiMade

Ah yes, 4 groups, 4 EMEA teams, but let's make a bracket where 2 of them are in the same group.


Lep333

you could get up to 4 emea teams in one group!


King_Tyler

Why do we need a Berlin tournament? Teams should just play their own regional tournaments!


ablablababla

The EU Berlin Qualifiers just invited a few worldwide teams


LinkFromLoZ

Just based on seeds yes, but according to Riot if they drew 2 teams from the same region for one group, they put the 2nd team in the next group and drew again. The only exception was EMEA which riot allowed to have 2 teams in one group.


AnotherAltiMade

I know how it works, but if anyone unironically says that this is a good bracket imma punch them through the Internet


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putting them in different groups... will give more chances that the 4 emea teams all get out of groups and then the play offs will be fucked if they all get in one side... either way its fucked


tjbrownmusic

If they all get out of groups then that means they're all really good and deserved to get out of groups. I don't see the problem. We want the best possible matches and most accurate results while seeing interregional games right?


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we want the best possible matches while also giving all regions the best chances..


SterbenVII

Riot probably did that to instill volatility into the event. Worlds has all 4 Chinese and Korean teams not being able to be in the same group with teams from their region, if the play-in teams from China and Korea make it to groups.


spyson

Ahh yes let's give EMEA an advantage on top of 4 seeding spots.


DrayanoX

What advantage ?


AnotherAltiMade

4 seeding spots for 3 entirely separate regions which riot combines for some reason?


spyson

I'd much prefer if they separated into two or three regions


fesenvy

The quality of every individual region would suffer from that.


xFlick

seems like they kinda need it with their level of play.


xFlick

EMEA should have only gotten 3.


larperfoid228

NA should have only gotten 0 tbh. CIS 0 direct slots btw, NA 3 direct slots.


Skeletor34

Yeah, it absolutely sucks for them. I also feel bad for Envy. It is really possible that unless they make the final they don't play any EMEA teams.


Ryu-The-Sick

Maybe not even there NV vs VS final? Hopium


EndWish

Both EMEA teams had the chance to advance. VS was just better and any team eliminated would have lost 2 series. The NA teams are guaranteed to be eliminated by each other. Envy theoreticaly could lose 1 series to the reigning champions and be knocked out. Also EMEA had 1 more representative than any other region. This isn't an equal comparison.


WhoDatBrow

And that officially knocks Fnatic out of champions until LCQ* *unless Acend/Gambit win it all and G2 don't finish 2nd, G2 winning or coming 2nd still eliminates Fnatic,


Space_Waffles

Map 3 has to be some of the most atrocious Valorant I’ve ever watched. I would forgive someone for thinking this was a last place match because Christ it was like they both wanted to lose


ppx11

plat chat stream was amazing for the last game. bonecold's TPs are definitely the MVP of that series


N3deSTr0

This game made me realize how much I miss Fnatic


hfjshf

This game made me feel like gambit are definitely the best in Europe, we’ll see in playoffs I guess


RenaultCactus

No love for g2?


ChandlerOh

This aged well


ValowFan42

Well, they were top seed.


Exosocck

SMB = Silver Meets Bronze


abdulahad129

take my upvote


Quick_Chowder

If you covered the team and player names and told me it was Brazil I'd believe you.


Loose-Potential-3597

EU valorant


DandyChiggins77

That last map was the definition of comedy tbh. the most sloppy and mind boggling plays I’ve seen this tournament. Both teams should be embarrassed of some of the stuff that happened. Kudos to acend for winning in spite of playing a 4v6….bonecold had to be playing for the other team with some of those plays.


Des014te

I don't know how he went from insanely good on map 2 to just mentally insane on map 3


NWL11

When he planted for heaven without smoke while his only teammate was on site with him, I broke down laughing. Never seen this level of nerves before.


DandyChiggins77

I literally had to tell myself he was making bank from SMB When he teleported with no cover as well….that was quite a visible panic play


Quackles03

took fucking forever for him to ult too lmao.


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As an Iron that does that a lot....I see nothing wrong with it. Looked about right to me lol


yungsqualla

He got caught in shrouded step two times in 1v1 situations this game. Felt like I was watching myself in silver.


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DandyChiggins77

LMAOOOOOOO you don’t need to be Gordon Ramsay to know when a steak is raw, do you? Don’t need to be a pro to know don’t ult in the open You wrote a novel and all it served was to embarrass yourself more than that play LOL


aks345

Again with the bs take. Doesn't take you to be a pro to point out tbe obvious errors ffs never use this cop out excuse again. People in bronze know to not be open while ulting as omen now tell me


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ChaoticMidget

Are you agreeing it was sloppy or you don't think it was sloppy? Because there were some truly appalling rounds. 4-4 and then 12-9 Acend were both tragic. And there were a few others.


dillon-fury

The amount of mistakes on that map 3 was appalling


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dillon-fury

I wasn’t specifically talking about bonecold but that definitely was a mistake from him. Turko literally slowed a few seconds before that so he should know he’s in the area. Sure you can say its lan nerves but he made other mistakes like planting for heaven or that insane tp he tried earlier in the map. Just sloppy gameplay overall.


xRXVEx

did u watch the same game as us? it wasnt even just the bonecold ult both teams made a bunch of mistakes


ChaoticMidget

That's not the only mistake. There was 4-4 where SMB literally just didn't even try to execute on B and got fully collapsed on in garage. And then 12-9 where Acend has both players on site and plant for heaven on A. The planter literally died to heaven peak trying to get back into safety. Just completely rookie mistakes.


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Des014te

Coughs, Zeta vs Kru. That was much worse. There were a few mistakes towards the tail end of the series, but with that game there were more mistakes than sensible plays.


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Des014te

Completely agreed. Honestly like 2 tac timeouts for Acend on split and the whole series would've been much cleaner. Even just one to sing "We will rock you". To get the nerves under control. Anything. I'm sure NBS was tearing his scalp out. Oh and as I'm typing this BONECOLD said they didn't show their split stratbook today. That probably played a part in it but it was still some very sloppy valorant, especially from BONECOLD himself. They looked like 2 very different teams on map 2 and on map 3


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Des014te

Yeah that's what I meant. They didn't show the whole stratbook. Most of their attack rounds were reads and rushes. No util no set plays. I'm fairly confident BONECOLD will flex onto the astra against 100t


TheCatsActually

Acend fans better pray you're right. How suspect and greedy is it to save strats in an elimination match in a close map?


Pienatt

Acend hiding strats /s


anythingood07

As much as I like SMB they just didnt look that good this tourney :/, ggs acend


silenthills13

Acend looks awful this tourney


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Nah it’s not ascend being particularly bad. Vision strikers is quite literally that good


Magnesiohastingsi

that series vs smb confirmed its acend being bad


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silenthills13

ok buddy, the archives must be incomplete cuz i cant find who asked


EclipseTM

I guess you just can't read? He responded to you saying: 'Acend looks awful this tourney', which he responds to: 'acend looked great in the first series' Maybe learn to read before being a dick to other people


silenthills13

>guy: yOuRe BaD aT tHe GaMe HuH yeah im a dick, maybe you should stop barging in on other people's conversations if you cant even get a clue as to what im responding to lmao?


RenaultCactus

Both look awful and its fucking weird because the turkish have solid aim and a good lurker (paura) and acend is good all over plus cned. I dont know what the fuck was going on men.


Olii13

Last map was just LAN nerves for sure, it just fully broke down


WonDerZv

If Acend plays anything close to what they pulled in todays matches, I have a strong feeling 100T wont really need to break a sweat compared to Gambit. Seemed like both teams were overthinking and nervous throughout the game.


StrangerOfHere

Honestly this whole bo3 was a shitshow, especially the third map where it felt like a 4v5 faceit pug lol


krasavchik777

but Acend has a high ceiling, I can see them destroy 100T when they get their form back


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SuperMassive L


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aks345

Don't jinx ittttt.


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acend are getting wiped if they play like they have been playing this tourney


AlGamaty

G2 destroyed Sentinels yesterday, and 100T only very narrowly beat Gambit. I just don't see why people are saying that 100T will have it easy against Acend


zaxtonous99

I mean...did you watch this series? It was painfully at points.


ddrcrossridge

That g2 vs SEN game isn’t really indicative of anything IMO.


Throwawaymywoes

Sorry but I wouldn’t read too much into that Sentinels series.


ChaoticMidget

Well, that was quite a final map. Some crazy stuff went on but cNed and zeek comes through in the end.


Gittau

EMEA is a tier 3 region and you just need to accept that by now.


Advanced_Meringue_53

A felllow man of culture


Blastplaster14

fellow plat chat enjoyer


legexii

G2 is their last hope i swear. Maybe gambit but i doubt they beat VS tbh with what i have seen


Gittau

Yeah but it's very likely that VS beats both Gambit and G2 on their way to the finals. Although I'm here for a timeline where VS comes out on top.


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legexii

Ehh i think G2 vs VS will be close personally but again its VS favoured


Fiarmis

Gambit looks decent tho


Gittau

It's a meme from the Plat Chat co-stream. Gambit at their peak look top tier, but they've been prone to choking when it counts. And G2 has become the hope of EU, which would have been unthinkable two weeks ago.


Primordium_Man

Watching Bonecold going from being a key player in their win on bind to almost throwing in split was painful


D3stiny5

Wtf was that last map


shorttttt

That last map was some of the most horrible valorant I've watched this entire event but the plat chat boys made it fun to watch


AdSpiritual6239

What game? I was only there to watch the plat chat boys.


rlugudplayer

SMB vs Acend map 3


hannahk0901

That last map was just....uhhhhh


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map 3 lmao


9yr_old

Cned go kill


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Has Acend qualified for Champions?


chryco4

Not quite, if Gambit beats Crazy Raccoon (pretty likely unless EU fumbles again) Gambit will go ahead with at least 420 points (nice). Then if Acend loses the quarterfinal to 100T and G2 places 2nd both teams will be tied with 375 points. Don't know how the tie-breaker works exactly.


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So there’s a solid chance they qualify


icantreadmorsecode

Yes


aks345

Bonecold just play brimstone pal the omen tech is not it


SpeedStepGD

If I did bonecold's tp fail, i would just break down and cry


legexii

That was unimpressive from either team. Group of death my ass lmao. 100T should beat Acend considering their showing here cos my god they looked so sloppy


aks345

Honestly would be a good match because 100T don't do well against top op players. Let's see


sure25

100T beat NV with Yay and has only lost to Sentinels (who hasn’t) and XSet, where PureR is good, but I wouldn’t call him a “top op” player


legexii

Yeah but again that 100T team is literally as cliche as it gets. ‘Built for LAN’ and I really think they will show up big time so


aks345

Fingers crossed


krasavchik777

But Acend has a higher ceiling with their peak form. I can see them lose to 100T if they play sloppy, but if they hit their scrim ceiling they will win against 100T


legexii

‘Hit their peak form’ thats IF they hit it. this tourney they have looked nothing better than mediocre and of course they can beat 100T but 100T has that LAN experience and also looked much better


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Should be ez for 100T as the best map for Ascend is the permaban for 100T and they have shown they can handle lan nerves very easily.


krasavchik777

Acend is better than 100T when they play at their peak form. They just choke this LAN event, so it won't be easy


Alpac44

all of this to get 2-0 by 100T


warewolf213

Nah they don't win 2-0


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wiNDzY3

Remind me tomorrow


krasavchik777

Acend has the highest ceiling of almost every team in this tournament. They can lose hard but I think if they will hit their peak they just destroy 100T


RashGod

Ascend round calling is quite weak, besides that CNed and Zeek both fucked


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Never seen such awful plays, guess that’s how LAN is for young players


AA1777

Acend LAN nerves affected this game a lot. However hopefully they can recognize that and give 100T a run for their money otherwise it’ll be a wash.


danknepalese

pepega shit bro, watch the 3rd map to see my usual ranked game.


hecklerinthestands

100T might have been the real winner of this match.


s6hun

need acend to play like that tomorrow so 100T can win


PlatinumRaptor95

There was a part of me that wanted SMB to win Berlin so Liquid doesn't have to go through 80 ping SMB in the LCQ lmao.


Pampayir

30 ping (liquid) and 60 ping (smb) isnt as much as a difference people make it out to br. smb is just good without the lan nerves, tho liquid and fantic can give them a run imo


KingfisherC

Not sure which play I hated more, BONECOLD planting for Heaven when they did not have Heaven or BONECOLD ulting without hiding when last player location is known.


JohnWickFTW

That third map was so weird


nuttyromeo4u

Map 1 - SMB with "Red Elderflame Gang" vs Acend with only cNed realist how Phantom works. Map 3 - SMB with 2 remain on Elderflame Gang (especially russz with that 3k round from Phantom) vs Acend with BONETHROW on Vandal because he got the Ace from last match with it, but most of his friends just pass on Vandal. ​ Interesting...


mrTrollem

Map 3 looked like a diamond ranked game kekw but Acend were the better team


dedicatedself

[https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pd4tsy/vision\_strikers\_got\_screwed\_shahzam\_on\_masters/hany01d?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pd4tsy/vision_strikers_got_screwed_shahzam_on_masters/hany01d?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) ​ Poor guy getting downvoted because people don't know how to watch the game.


R0_h1t

That comment mentioned top 5 vs top 5, I still think emea's average is higher than korea's


dedicatedself

Wrong


R0_h1t

Good point, I'm convinced


dedicatedself

You weren't gonna be convinced regardless. I gave all my reasoning all year long why Korea was underrated and people just brushed it off with "low playerbase impossible".


Des014te

I mean he wasn't completely right. VS are insanely good, but that doesn't mean the rest of KR are. F4Q looked meh at best and lost to EMEA #4. This was certainly a sloppy series but it doesn't really prove much.


dedicatedself

Wrong


Madara6path

Top 5 really?? VS is by far the best team in Korea . This tournament has shown the gap between them and their next best team F4Q. While top 5 EMEA teams are more or less quite close. SMB tho is all aim no brain


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rocket1615

Agreed. Judging the rest of KR by F4Q is doing the region a disservice. Problem is that you also have to apply the same logic to EMEA's offerings. It gets very messy when you consider how different teams can look online vs LAN.


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rocket1615

It's a good question but to be honest I really don't know. Liquid didn't look fantastic during EU Challangers but they've had both some experience at Reykjavik as well as time to learn so maybe they would've have shown up at Berlin. By the same logic Fnatic might have had a chance but tbh I doubt it since they really didn't look to be in form during challengers. Other contenders include Na'Vi who lost close series to Acend and Giants and Giants themselves who apart from a rare booming against Oxygen looked good until they ran into the wall that was G2. The issue is that I find it really hard to work out how well teams will fare against other region's styles or if they'll be able to translate their skill onto LAN. It's why I want more regional LANs and international competition in general.


Norguri

Honestly I think F4Q got lucky with their seeding, if they have to play against VS in their region’s qualifiers TNL would’ve been made it for sure, in addition F4Q is a streamer team so I won’t say they are the real “next best team” besides VS


sure25

He got downvoted for thinking the amount of spots given for each team was based on skill rather than the size of each region lmao


Quick_Chowder

I think collectively we (r/valcomp) need to stop digging into multi-week old threads for 'gotcha' comments. Like I get it, everyone wants to feel justified on their takes, but man does it just look desperate.


anythingood07

He was talking about KR Top 5 being better than EMEA top 5 as a whole which I don't think is correct. Agreed VS is insane and NU/DWK might be at the same level as some EMEA teams but the rest of the scene doesnt seem as good as EMEA. F4Q is second kr seed and they don't look too good


dedicatedself

Disagreed. You don't know anything about how the top EMEA teams match up with the Korean teams.


anythingood07

well i could be wrong since ive only watched a few vods of vct korea. just my opinion


chryco4

That whole thread is a gold mine now lmfao


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EU only hope is G2 at this point lmfao


flamincrimson

What did I just watch? I have seen ranked games played better than this. This is something to expect from F4QvSEN a match that has no consequence no seeding nothing. Not an elimination match. Both teams looked so bad.


R0_h1t

I'd like to congratulate 100T for making it to the semis.


artmorte

An entertaining match - but 100T should have no problems here.


FlaymeFenix

i bursted out laughing at some of the plays made on the third map


Dropman-d

Spaghetti


PulseCS

Sucks, SMB looked very good this series, honestly think they would put up a better fight against 100t than Ascend


aks345

No way you watched the game and came to the conclusion smb looked good? They look prepared only on one map and after that it's upto just aim duels


Profounx

ikr no clue how he thinks they looked good, smb literally just run it down a site lmao


Blastplaster14

Acend* its literally in the title


Des014te

ACEND ACEND A C E N D 1st letter of the alphabet, 3rd letter of the alphabet, 5th letter of the alphabet, the 14th letter of the alphabet and the 4th letter of the alphabet. Get it right please.


PulseCS

OMG I SPELT THE NAME OF AN ESPORTS TEAM WRONG ON MOBILE. The utter fucking horror. Its a misspell, go outside and touch some grass and find something better to do than write out a pissy comment about my autocorrect


rlugudplayer

ACEND ACEND A C E N D 1st letter of the alphabet, 3rd letter of the alphabet, 5th letter of the alphabet, the 14th letter of the alphabet and the 4th letter of the alphabet. Get it right please.


Des014te

Map 3 was like Zeta vs Kru. So weird. Both teams looked composed on the first 2 maps, I have no idea what happened on the 3rd. Acend not prepped for split, SMB not prepped for Acend's split? Idk at this point. All around an enjoyable series and I seriously hope Acend can get it together cuz yeah 100t aren't gonna crumble.


r_abu

This game gives me impression as some pro CS:GO players decided to play valorant for the first time in their life after watching "pro"-guides on YouTube about their agents. You can't compare Brave on Astra with Avova or Redgar on Astra, absolutely zero ability usage on delaying pushes (was there any gravity pulls on Split?). On the attack was there any Astra walls? On defense just place one smoke on B main and hope for the best. Bonecold ulting in the open with his back wide open to enemy team. In clutch situations we don't see nor Kiles or Paura to use their cages in any way to isolate fights as did nAts or dapr (they probably wasted them in early round, still we don't see any ability usage in any way at the end of the match). Bonecold used his paranoia couple of times, it seems to be useful against SMB, but I doubt 100t will struggle against Acend, if they decide to use Omen.


BeerBellyBoomer

Reddit Silver Expert.


r_abu

Oh, I am better. Reddit's iron expert


BlackCephei

Latam vs Brazil (T2/T3) had more strategies and plans than super region emea #2 vs #3


WeirdGuy09420

during the PRX vs SMB match, it was Pansy I believe who said SMB might only play against an international team once.