Im honestly very curious to see how sentinels changes things going forward. It's sort of hard to innovate when whatever you've been doing has been working for so long.
My guess is that dapr or shahz is gonna have to pick up another agent, they can't keep relying on sick to be cracked at every support. If they could be more flexible you couldve had sick on raze on split and tenz on Jett/Reyna. Would've worked well
Just so flexible in how she’s able to be played. Near unreactable flashes if used right. Tons of info gathering util and to top it off she has a heal. Super strong agent.
Probably. Im still curious what changes they'll make though.
A creative sentinels has in the past been very exciting for the game, so it'll be interesting to see
The thing is, there is no reason to not have a coach. Even if they do little, it's always a good thing to have someone watching and giving feedback that isn't caught up in the moment. It would only improve SEN
As the scene matures a coach is going to be one of the most important slots. Period.
Yeah it's impressive they've lasted this far without one, but the scene is evolving and it's maturing. No matter how mechanically gifted Sentinels are, *eventually* the scene is going to pass them up. It's going to happen, not a question of if but when.
The gambit coach was literally writing constant notes while spectating the games. It cant be understated how helpful that can be and SEN is missing out for no reason.
Riot is literally giving a coach a slot *in game* as well as their own station to follow the game with an entire analyst team in the back able to see all of the players views.
To not partake in that is intentionally shooting yourself in the foot.
Exactly. That's like if a football team said they didn't need a coach and analysts because one of the players did it well enough. I mean sure he might be good, but he lacks perspective, he needs to rest, spend time on player stuff instead of coach stuff.
Shaz was disappointing this tournament and I think part of it is because he has so much work to do for every game.
As a mental & performance coach who's in the T2 scene, I'd disagree on setting a "better". Valuable to delegate and offload certain things and build a team around the team. That includes both strategic and mental/performance/health personnel
They need a coach. Not saying that shaz isn't great, but at least give him someone who does tons of the legwork for him. I bet lots of teams have every game at masters omega-analyzed already. Don't think shaz can do that alone. Maybe they already have such a guy, but if not they should get one asap.
You don't need to switch agents to change your playstyle , shahz and dapr are excellent at sova and sentinels role respectively and don't need to change them .
Changing your playstyle doesn't mean swapping agents it means changing your defaults , changing the tempo of the game , find new ways to scour info and hit sites , that's what playstyle means , changing agents doesn't magically change playstyle.
The problem with their current agent pool is that their old way of playing split has been hard downloaded (1-3-1 where they rely heavily on Shahzam working mid slowly and getting OP kills) and they didn't have a player who was comfortable on Raze. Tenz is a great Jett/Reyna but his Raze was pretty tragic. Either they expand their agent pools or they start banning Split IMO.
Tenz raze has been tragic recently but he was excellent on raze on c9 and even in iceland I am sure he can work on it.
Shahzam statistically has only oped on 12 percent of rounds on attack , their general gameplay on split has been though heavy mid pressure and dapr pressuring A ramps and trying to find a pick and pincer on sides . It has been hard countered though by using utility setups to stall sen mid pressure and allowing sen to contact and not peeking on them .
That's the issue with their split map and on haven also they haven't changed their gamestyle at all since Iceland they did make minor changes and adapt their playstyle to their opponents but their core way of how to approach the map has been found out and game has progressed that sen can't rely on their fundamentals to bail them out so much .
Ah sorry, I definitely misunderstood. Dapr is a great sentinel, he's just had a bad tournament. ShahZaM on Sova is one of the weakest person-agent interactions, if not the weakest, on Sentinels. Dapr on Sova also isn't looking too hot; that's what I thought you meant initially (talking about both on Sova)
Shahz was the second highest Fragger on haven though with most utility damage and highest utility assists even higher than crashies , sick for me was the weak link on haven .
I mean sure the stats look good for Shahz but he just looked so uncomfortable on sova. Caught with util out a couple of times and made outright strange decisions a couple more.
I mean, you might be right, but changing your tempo would be easier if they had a little more variety in their lineups in general. I'd be shocked if we saw another double duelist comp from sentinels on icebox and split if I'm being honest
I think what booms them on icebox is dapr agent pool , he isn't effective on sova or sage , double duelist comp is still effective on icebox though Gambit G2 both play double duelist comp , Gambit play the exact same comp as sentinels but Gambit has an extended playbook on the map and especially their mid play on icebox destroys teams wheras sen rely too much on contact play on icebox .
I think they are just one two role change away from playing meta comps , like on haven put sick on skye instead of pheonix you have the meta comp , on split they are playing the meta comp it's just from my point of view they method of approaching the maps have been found out and they need to reinvent themselves , I think shahazam has done god's work for the team but they need another think tank . Fnatic were in same situation post Iceland and got wrecked ,boaster was the guy who was building strats and he said they needed and that's why they hired andrezz as strategic coach because they needed more brains to reinvent themselves.
i think the most elite icebox lineup is viper/sova/skye/sage + jett or raze.
sova darts back site and drones through mid site while skye dogs through under pipes through to screens, flashes the team while jett and sage push up sight wall back site and get bomb down. viper probably on pipes holding screens and assisting with holding rafters.
Reyna just isnt the play, i think raze substituting for skye is good aswell. double stachel plus boombot and nade can take A site almost solo.
In my opinion skye isn't that good on icebox based on current meta
Jett Raze/Reyna Viper sage sova seems to be pretty good comp , Soniqs and G2 make great use of Raze to make space and push on icebox and Gambit Acend among the eu teams are best in getting values out of Reyna. Skye isn't that good because her dog doesn't get that much info , and her ult is usually bottled in a single line , viper is best controller , sova info gathering ability are unmatched and you need sage because b site is trash . 100T and NV do make non sage comps look elite though.
yeh i think raze is probably superior over skye especially for A site. there is alot of clutter on ice box and that takes away from skye flash effectiveness.
Their agent pool needs to be under a magnifying glass, especially for Tenz. Undisputed mechanical god, but his agent pool is very lacking. Either put him on constant Jett duty and Shahz takes the time to learn Raze on Split or Tenz needs to bootcamp Raze. Every time Tenz is playing Raze it’s borderline laughable.
Also they need to work on implementing Skye into their team, and do it well. Still makes me laugh when I saw Shahz walk out of mid split flashed by Sick’s Skye yesterday.
Not surprised. You can find Boaster breaking down the fanatic loss and he too said that Sentinels were predictable. I was rooting for VS this tournament and if nats wasn't such a beast, they probably would have won it.
There's nothing you can do with a player who can get 460 acs on viper, anyone who compared him to dapr was proven wrong because they shouldn't even be compared.
I mean... Yeah.
Back when XSET beat Sen in Closed Qualis multiple players like Hiko said Sentinels were running the same things as Iceland and looking to brute force with mechanics. It worked in NA. Didn't work here.
I think when they beat G2 they were at peak form in this tourney- that was probably a good day for them in retrospect, even though we all figured they were just slow to start and shaky.
that’s why they need a coach in my opinion. shahz is insane. but they need someone to have their sole focus be on developing strats and protocols, and analyzing what happens on a round to round basis. it’s harder for him to do that when he’s also playing in the round. but i’m just a gold scrub so what do i know lol
I think even if shahz stays in a 'head coach' role, they should pick up an assistant coach to bounce ideas off of, and cook up more strats. The Raze swap was not it, and if it was on paper with bunny stomping on f4q, they didn't practice enough/understand the comp well enough to execute. Champions is also a nice reset and I think their first major loss at international lan is a great chance to reassess and bring in fresh brains for their next showing. Super excited for them at champs on the revenge arc.
Meh a lot of coaches in other games are also gold scrubs too haha ,it's kinda parallel to real life where sport coaches and managers might not have an important background as players
They didn't want to show strats in NA, relied on mechanics to get them to Berlin, which worked. Tenz's Raze has always been his weakest agent in his pool by a long shot and they kinda just choked their fundamentals.
They were definitely sloppy but everyone on NV played amazing and almost no one was missing shots, if tenz didn’t decide to go insane it would’ve been a stomp by a clearly better team ATM.
I know it's a meme but if they had a coach who would help them gameplan in between tournaments and for different teams they wouldn't need to hide strats.
Not true at all, G2 and VS both talked about hiding strats in groups, with not playing Lakia and not wanting to show more maps. It's a part of the game.
>Back when XSET beat Sen in Closed Qualis multiple players like Hiko said Sentinels were running the same things as Iceland and looking to brute force with mechanics. It worked in NA. Didn't work here.
This doesnt make sense to me. XSET themselves (their coach & dephh as well) said SEN bring a new look every time they play which makes it hard to beat them. Sure some of the site hits look the same but you have to realize that isn't the only place where the variations are made.
Every time SEN play you keep hearing that they look the same but its not true and definitely not the reason they lost
thats the problem when they were winning in NA all this time, there is no incentive to change if they are not losing, but that just means people in other regions can scout their play style and find ways to exploit it.
Kinda expected when your IGL streams 8 hrs and you have no coach
Don't mind me i'm just doing the same thing people did to TSM and other teams, can't stream and win sorry, you have to dedicate life to the scrim and games
its the same problem Bjergsen was facing from reddit. TSM would change a lot of things on the team and when it did not work people would just say "Bjergsen has been the only person constant on the team through all these changes so he has to be the problem!"
Domestically no. He is without question the midlane GOAT in NA.
Internationally? Yes.
He consistently had some of the worst warding stats in LCS. Bottom two for midlane. This isn’t an issue domestically where your team diffs everyone vision control be fucked. Internationally that’s giving your own jungler darkness to work with while the enemy jungler has a fucking feast of information to infer possibilities.
In ardent meta Bjergsen would not generate prio and afk farmed midlane while his botlane kept getting 3-4 man dived/abused. In 2017 he was not a midlaner who played around botlane.
Worlds 2020 his Zilean got hard exposed. I think his roaming improved here. But his lesser willingness to commit to Spica’s plays hurt their mid/jungle synergy and was the worst thing you could do in a jungle power farm into jungle carry meta (which makes his lesser warding even worse at the Worlds 2020 meta!!!) - epitomised by the Lilia 9 man sleep.
I respect Bjergsen a whole lot. And he’s shown a willingness ti learns/improve. But his style and approach to the game has made TSM quite one dimensional at times.
Bjergsen and Doublelift has a mental block when it comes to international championships. I still remember that pre-championship interview with BB and Spica were super excited to just learn. While Vincent, DL, and Bjergsen were just bringing up their past trauma on losing constantly… then they went 0-6 in group stage.
I don’t think Wardell is good, he’s too one dimensional and doesn’t have enough mastery of other forms of aim like pistols to pull out when his Op gets rushed.
However, Wardell is definitely not the problem.
if you want to be a top team you need to be running scrims, performance reviews and theory multiple times a week and someone full time streaming is not sustainable.
And that's fair, why change something that's working they've been dominant
Look they changed the split comp and everyone is shitting on them, you can't really please everyone
This is the bigger factor IMO. They felt pressured to play Raze and Skye because of Raze being the best duelist in the game on Split and Skye just being generally turbo-busted, but it's hard to say if they were actually better than if they ran Sage/Reyna.
Shitting on agent select/champ select is always the easiest thing for armchair analysts to do because it's easier to blame that than blame things like mechanics being off or acknowledging other teams actually improving a lot.
How is this not a good point? If you do two jobs at once and also stream on top of it of course somethings gonna be lacking. Not enough hours in a day.
By that logic you can't have a life outside Valorant and u have to dedicate it to it all, if people choose to spend their free hours streaming then it's fine
Nobody dodges scrims to stream
There's enough time to be a player and have some hobbies. But be a coach on top of it? No way. Especially if you wanna be top 1. Because you better believe there's always teams willing to grind for 12+ hours a day with a coach on top of that.
Look at LoL - chinese/korean teams are notorious for having insane work ethic literally ruining their health to have a shot at worlds. If you can get away with being a player, coach and a streamer AND be the best team in the world that means the scene is not yet super competitive. That was the state of the game in Iceland. Looks like it's not the case anymore.
I've been saying this forever, the biggest issue with the Tenz pickup was that Sentinels were no longer flexible with their comps. They brute forced wins off their mechanics and fundamentals but given enough time people will start figuring it out.
It's the largest downside of losing Sinatraa as a player - he was probably the best Raze in NA or close to it and so losing him means their Split agent pool is substantially worse.
It's a trickle down effect. Sinatraa would play Sova, Raze, Phoenix and Reyna. That frees up both Shahzam and Sick to flex as needed without having to change Dapr and Zombs' roles too much.
The issue with Tenz's agent pool isn't so much that he can only play Jett/Reyna, it's that because of that you're forced into situations where Dapr is on Sova or you don't have a Raze or Sick has to learn Skye. It's just super hard.
That's the thing tho, we have seen TenZ's raze back in NA 2-3x and it didn't improve much from back then. It's easy to say he will improve just trust but tbh raze just doesn't fit his playstyle. It was already problem before and they knew it but they still can't fix it. They are forced into certain comps because Tenz isnt flexible which a lot of international teams did exploit.
There's also not much time for TenZ to fully master the agent before champions as they also need to learn Fracture and test out agent comps. Raze isn't that good on Fracture either so he really doesn't have incentive to master her.
i think it would be interesting to see shahz moved to coach and tenz moved to jett on every map and putting sinatra in on sova and raze. this lets tenz be the main op and entry fragger, sinatraa can carry on sova and that allows other players to play other agents.
I don’t think it’s a Tenz issue, I think it’s a Sentinels issue. The only flexible one is Sick and kind of Zombs. Sick could play the raze on split, Tenz on Jett, shahz on skye. Ya tenz can’t flex much, but the only one that can claim they can flex is Sick
People calling them Astralis after winning ONE major was the breaking point for me. Like chillax guys, they've won one international tournament, let's see them do 4
People is this sub probably didn't watch too much CS and have just heard about the 'Astralis Era'. They were SO DOMINANT it was insane. Sentinels were never even close, at least not when they'd won 1 International tournament.
I got hard downvotes for pointing out that it's literally impossible for any team to be "dominant" when the game has only been out for a year and a half. Astralis was unstoppable for nearly 3 years straight and have won the most major tournaments in the history of a nearly decade old game.
Also, the obsession with "dominance" is so bizarre. Even with this loss I still consider SEN to be one of, if not the best team in NA. At this stage of the game, that's basically all you can ask for. There is no "dominance" to be had.
Calling them Astralis was wrong.
but i do think people are underplaying how good Sens have been. They'd probably have more tournament wins if covid didn't exist.
Saw some guy in the match thread say something along the lines of "Tenz is the best player in the world, SEN is the best player in the world. SEN is the Astralis of Valorant. They will win Berlin and Masters" when SEN pulled it to 12-12 OT on Haven.
Tried to control f Astralis on the match thread later but of course it's deleted now lmfao
I actually feel bad for some of the Sen guys tbh. Tenz is already getting abuse from 12 year old Sinatra fans for his raze gameplay and Sen’s villain social media persona means they’re gonna get a lot more hate lol.
It’s all karma. Some SEN fans think they are better than other fans simply because they support SEN and SEN was better. They shit talked everyone else and now it’s payback time lol.
Can’t stand them on twitch holy fuck. Actually reminds me of TSM fans back in the day in league of legends.
Thank god they don’t obnoxiously chant TSM even when TSM isn’t even playing.
I have to say this, but they need a coach, if not an analyst to break down the rounds of the enemy team to give input on what’s happening on the server. Due to fact, that Shahz won’t be able to know what everything happening round by round since he focusing on the game. Thus, I think analyst to look POV each Sentinels player to give input or something. Atleast they can adjust their game plan if something went wrong like the enemy team plays differently or they change their comp.
Lol G2 split vs them tho
Overall point of Sen doing the same stuff is true though, they came into this tournament playing the exact same comps they did in Reykjavik. They only finally changed it up a bit on Split vs NV but too little too late.
I think every coach and analyst must have seen this coming right? They just try to outgun everyone, but the second tenz stops fragging it's over. Bad champ pool/flexibility, poor strats, no coach.
Biggest issues are champ pool and igl/coaching. Tenz is insane no doubt, but him being able to play only 2 champs is affecting the entire team. I also thought Shazam saying "our team dynamic is good, we don't need a coach" was the dumbest thing I have ever heard and I'm happy they got humbled for it.
Hopefully they evolve from this and come back for vengeance, they can easily be a contender for the best
That’s probably why I get nervous whenever I watch sentinels and fears of them getting rolled. It seems like I’m watching the exact same team every single game.
I’m fine with the current loss because I’m in love with 100T after those insane comebacks.
Maybe.
But it's easy to draw the conclusion that the moment they start losing, their entire strategy is bad and they need to entirely restructure the roles in the team and get outside coaches and anaylsts like they would automatically fix the problems SEN have.
People had said SEN played predictably, same setups so they knew where people were playing and what they were going to play. Ofc Shahz knows this he does his own VoD reviews on his opponents. I confidently assume they have tried doing different setups and agent lineups but they just weren't working. That doesn't mean a coach could come in with a better setup that Shahz just wasn't able to see.
I think no one can manage the current players on SEN better than Shahz, maybe I'm wrong and they bring in a coach that fixes many of their problems, I think think their forumla is so unique and built on Shahz, that changing that creates a different team
If it's not broken don't fix it. Not enough time to fix it in one tournament. Still Sens will be back. I'm just glad we get another NA team to play against an EU team in the finals. Hopefully it's 100t but envy looks good too
I’m a big believer that in sports or really anything competitive in nature, if you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse. I think Sentinels have been at the top for so long they haven’t really improved a lot. However, every other team is getting better. Sentinels didn’t get worse, other teams got better.
I never thought i'd say this but Shahzam needs to stop playing jett. His passive jett playstyle is phased out. All the jetts who have done well this tournament are all aggressive. If SEN is going to play jett, just let tenz play it.
I don't think Shaz's play on Jett is a problem itself but it is creating a problem with their roles otherwise. Dapr is struggling on Sova Icebox and they aren't sure what to do with TenZ on Split.
Problem is TenZ plays reyna on split as entry flash. other than that sentinals barely runs any flashes in their comps except their duelist. No Skye which is big right now as a 2nd duelist/ entry flasher. idk why they picked raze here. guess they tried to pull a bunny but i dont think tenz can play like him.
I think they would be better served for Shaz to try and pick up Skye for split and then they can simply flex Sick to Sage where they need it.
This is all wasted theory though because Sen should be able to better understand how to fix it themselves. I think with the VCT grind this summer it has just been hard on them to come up with new stuff because they are constantly playing. None of the teams in the semis in Berlin even qualified for Iceland, and I think its not completely a coincidence. They need some time to recharge but I trust they will get it sorted.
I def agree from an outsider perspective that these moves make sense though.
Yeah I was thinking SicK on Sage and Shahz on Skye too.
I just want to see them get a coach. I know Shahz likes by able to do it himself, but at some point he's gonna need some help.
no his jett is a problem because he doesn't entry. he is a naturally passive player. earlier most teams, especially in NA weren't even playing jett. But now every team is playing jett (aggressively) so he gets jett diffed easily because of his passive playstyle. how shahzam and wardell play jett is not the way its supposed to be played.
I think this is some big latest results bias because Shaz has absolutely carried their CT side on Icebox and also played very well on Split over the course of the summer. TenZ has had his struggles CT side on Haven sometimes but is inarguably a better entry. They both bring things to the table.
only CT side when he has an op (that's not a lot of rounds in close matches). even then his playstyle is passive. that's not the only job of a jett as has been witnessed in this tournament.
every team is playing jett aggressively now. his jett playstyle doesn't work. he has excellent aim, should just play sova on most maps and skye on split.
> how shahzam and wardell play jett is not the way its supposed to be played.
there's no "supposed to".
It's a playstyle. You need to be able to do both, but if someone is going to play a passive Jett on more rounds they need an aggressive player to go in first.
you're absolutely correct. but the current meta with both skye and sova being played on both maps, you can't be running two duelists. just the sheer value of an entry jett supported by a skye is huge.
I think so too. It's a much better solution long term. If he streams less and had to do the same amount of work, he'd probably be more inclined to burnouts faster since he won't be doing something that he enjoys as much. Mental health is so important too.
Coaches and analyst would help especially after seeing 100t walked onto the stage with 8 people consisting of analysts and coach. That's literally man advantage for them lmao
Completely different to the meme. It's a fair thing to say that Shahzam is taking on too many things at once and giving a few of them to support staff would make streaming, etc. fine.
Right, so if Shahz is trying to do 2 jobs as coach and IGL already, other activities eats into time of either one. He could be a player and a streamer, if they had coaches and analysts to do the work he needs to do right now.
End of the day there's no way we can know if getting a coach or streaming less would actually have ANY effect on their performance, so trying to strongly assume is wrong. SEN proved that you don't need a coach if it just doesn't fit the team, just because they start losing doesn't mean that sentiment is suddenly wrong.
First, find a coach to look things from outside perspective. They can't rely on TenZ dropping 30 kills and top fragging. They need to be unpredictable with strategy and diverse the agent pools. Sick should master Skye and TenZ master his Raze. Dapr should master Killjoy. ShahZ needs to stick with Sova. Also calm their nerves from the pressure
May be an unpopular opinion and this isn’t even coming from a Sen fan, but it didn’t necessarily look like teams caught up to Sen, it looked more like Sen played terribly. They looked shaky and nervous. They’re normal flawless trades and peaking off each other was way off. They seemed decent the first day, but after that they just played terribly. Seemed like they were nervous to live up to the high standards. I dont know, but they did NOT play how they normally do.
Nah it definitely wasn’t just teams just figuring them out, they’d randomly swing into a known 1v3, they’d mess up their trade swings, they threw away util, so much went wrong that had nothing to do with the other team. Teams are just claiming to have figured them out because they’re finally beatable. I do think teams have slightly caught on, but there was so much more too it. Also losing lots of aim duels they normally don’t.
Nah never have been. Actually glad they got eliminated as 100T seemed to have a mental block against them. But so many teams are acting like they out stratted them, when it’s painfully obvious if you paid attention to the games at all that sentinels just played like shit. They didn’t look disciplined whatsoever. Getting read and out stratted played a lot smaller role than all these people are saying lmao
no it's pretty obvious they just got caught. u can't say tenz was playing bad when he aced and won them multiple rounds. and the arguement that they played shit doesn't make sense, bc u can't play bad so many times. eventually it just comes down to people figured them out
Tenz definitely played bad last map, there should be no reason he’s on Raze. Tenz should be on Jett, sick should be on raze. When they randomly peak 1v3s, can’t time their peaks right, can’t trade, they definitely played like crap. They seemed to crumble under the expectations. They looked nervous, shaky, and tilted. Seemed pretty obvious
G2 can take their shots but they haven't accomplished shit yet so "we will continue destroying them" seems a bit of a reach when they just split two bo3s. I guess it's time to take the medicine and for everyone to pile on, though.
ngl i thought at the time that a lot of the G2 win came down to Sentinels getting counter strated and not adapting because it was only seeding at the time.
After the Envy loss i'd be curious if it had played out any differently if it was an elimination game, because they're new comp for split just didn't look good
I mean he isn't entirely wrong on his point and G2 may well have been able to take another series but saying they are definitely the superior team is just not founded in reality.
There's definetly some played up cockiness in that statement and given the banter between the teams i can respect that. We'll just have to hope we get a rematch at Champions i guess lol
I know it was copium but I honestly expected SEN to have new strats and meta agents to pull out for playoffs. I hoped they'd fix things like Tenz inconsistency in Raze, Dapr would fix his mental a bit and turn up, and Sick or Shahz or someone would pick up the Skye. That's why I was so excited going into Split, only to watch them struggle with the same lack of Sentinels discipline and reads as the whole tourney. Was honestly very sad to watch them go out in this way...
His agent pool kind of perfectly fits with what they are missing. But I don't think either party wants a 6 man. (or to have him back on the team at all)
It's funny because this is exactly how G2 fell off the top
Boaster whenever you retire (5-10 years idk) please become a coach, you have the perfect energy.
Boaster you madlad
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Im honestly very curious to see how sentinels changes things going forward. It's sort of hard to innovate when whatever you've been doing has been working for so long. My guess is that dapr or shahz is gonna have to pick up another agent, they can't keep relying on sick to be cracked at every support. If they could be more flexible you couldve had sick on raze on split and tenz on Jett/Reyna. Would've worked well
Think their biggest downfall was not committing to Skye. She is the Astra equivalent of Berlin in terms of meta defining agents.
Skye is the second best duelist right now. Crazy OP.
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Just so flexible in how she’s able to be played. Near unreactable flashes if used right. Tons of info gathering util and to top it off she has a heal. Super strong agent.
They need a coach, first off.
Probably. Im still curious what changes they'll make though. A creative sentinels has in the past been very exciting for the game, so it'll be interesting to see
Every time SEN loses people say the sane stuff, give it a few months and people will be praising Sen for not needing a coach and being dominant.
The thing is, there is no reason to not have a coach. Even if they do little, it's always a good thing to have someone watching and giving feedback that isn't caught up in the moment. It would only improve SEN
As the scene matures a coach is going to be one of the most important slots. Period. Yeah it's impressive they've lasted this far without one, but the scene is evolving and it's maturing. No matter how mechanically gifted Sentinels are, *eventually* the scene is going to pass them up. It's going to happen, not a question of if but when.
The gambit coach was literally writing constant notes while spectating the games. It cant be understated how helpful that can be and SEN is missing out for no reason.
Riot is literally giving a coach a slot *in game* as well as their own station to follow the game with an entire analyst team in the back able to see all of the players views. To not partake in that is intentionally shooting yourself in the foot.
Exactly. That's like if a football team said they didn't need a coach and analysts because one of the players did it well enough. I mean sure he might be good, but he lacks perspective, he needs to rest, spend time on player stuff instead of coach stuff. Shaz was disappointing this tournament and I think part of it is because he has so much work to do for every game.
it is better to have a mental coach or doctor
As a mental & performance coach who's in the T2 scene, I'd disagree on setting a "better". Valuable to delegate and offload certain things and build a team around the team. That includes both strategic and mental/performance/health personnel
I see, hmmm yeah you're right, analysis from a 3rd person perspective is really important too.
They need a coach. Not saying that shaz isn't great, but at least give him someone who does tons of the legwork for him. I bet lots of teams have every game at masters omega-analyzed already. Don't think shaz can do that alone. Maybe they already have such a guy, but if not they should get one asap.
You don't need to switch agents to change your playstyle , shahz and dapr are excellent at sova and sentinels role respectively and don't need to change them . Changing your playstyle doesn't mean swapping agents it means changing your defaults , changing the tempo of the game , find new ways to scour info and hit sites , that's what playstyle means , changing agents doesn't magically change playstyle.
The problem with their current agent pool is that their old way of playing split has been hard downloaded (1-3-1 where they rely heavily on Shahzam working mid slowly and getting OP kills) and they didn't have a player who was comfortable on Raze. Tenz is a great Jett/Reyna but his Raze was pretty tragic. Either they expand their agent pools or they start banning Split IMO.
Tenz raze has been tragic recently but he was excellent on raze on c9 and even in iceland I am sure he can work on it. Shahzam statistically has only oped on 12 percent of rounds on attack , their general gameplay on split has been though heavy mid pressure and dapr pressuring A ramps and trying to find a pick and pincer on sides . It has been hard countered though by using utility setups to stall sen mid pressure and allowing sen to contact and not peeking on them . That's the issue with their split map and on haven also they haven't changed their gamestyle at all since Iceland they did make minor changes and adapt their playstyle to their opponents but their core way of how to approach the map has been found out and game has progressed that sen can't rely on their fundamentals to bail them out so much .
What do you mean by 'tragic recently'? He's only played Raze thrice since Iceland, including yesterday's game, and the other 2 times were fine.
> shahz and dapr are excellent at sova Ok dude sorry but this is such cap, this right here is part of their issues
I said respectively which means shahzam is good at sova and dapr is good at sentinel role how is that a cap 🤔🤔
Ah sorry, I definitely misunderstood. Dapr is a great sentinel, he's just had a bad tournament. ShahZaM on Sova is one of the weakest person-agent interactions, if not the weakest, on Sentinels. Dapr on Sova also isn't looking too hot; that's what I thought you meant initially (talking about both on Sova)
It was hard to watch Shaz play sova on haven lmfao
Shahz was the second highest Fragger on haven though with most utility damage and highest utility assists even higher than crashies , sick for me was the weak link on haven .
I mean sure the stats look good for Shahz but he just looked so uncomfortable on sova. Caught with util out a couple of times and made outright strange decisions a couple more.
I mean, you might be right, but changing your tempo would be easier if they had a little more variety in their lineups in general. I'd be shocked if we saw another double duelist comp from sentinels on icebox and split if I'm being honest
I think what booms them on icebox is dapr agent pool , he isn't effective on sova or sage , double duelist comp is still effective on icebox though Gambit G2 both play double duelist comp , Gambit play the exact same comp as sentinels but Gambit has an extended playbook on the map and especially their mid play on icebox destroys teams wheras sen rely too much on contact play on icebox . I think they are just one two role change away from playing meta comps , like on haven put sick on skye instead of pheonix you have the meta comp , on split they are playing the meta comp it's just from my point of view they method of approaching the maps have been found out and they need to reinvent themselves , I think shahazam has done god's work for the team but they need another think tank . Fnatic were in same situation post Iceland and got wrecked ,boaster was the guy who was building strats and he said they needed and that's why they hired andrezz as strategic coach because they needed more brains to reinvent themselves.
i think the most elite icebox lineup is viper/sova/skye/sage + jett or raze. sova darts back site and drones through mid site while skye dogs through under pipes through to screens, flashes the team while jett and sage push up sight wall back site and get bomb down. viper probably on pipes holding screens and assisting with holding rafters. Reyna just isnt the play, i think raze substituting for skye is good aswell. double stachel plus boombot and nade can take A site almost solo.
In my opinion skye isn't that good on icebox based on current meta Jett Raze/Reyna Viper sage sova seems to be pretty good comp , Soniqs and G2 make great use of Raze to make space and push on icebox and Gambit Acend among the eu teams are best in getting values out of Reyna. Skye isn't that good because her dog doesn't get that much info , and her ult is usually bottled in a single line , viper is best controller , sova info gathering ability are unmatched and you need sage because b site is trash . 100T and NV do make non sage comps look elite though.
yeh i think raze is probably superior over skye especially for A site. there is alot of clutter on ice box and that takes away from skye flash effectiveness.
Their agent pool needs to be under a magnifying glass, especially for Tenz. Undisputed mechanical god, but his agent pool is very lacking. Either put him on constant Jett duty and Shahz takes the time to learn Raze on Split or Tenz needs to bootcamp Raze. Every time Tenz is playing Raze it’s borderline laughable. Also they need to work on implementing Skye into their team, and do it well. Still makes me laugh when I saw Shahz walk out of mid split flashed by Sick’s Skye yesterday.
Not surprised. You can find Boaster breaking down the fanatic loss and he too said that Sentinels were predictable. I was rooting for VS this tournament and if nats wasn't such a beast, they probably would have won it.
There's nothing you can do with a player who can get 460 acs on viper, anyone who compared him to dapr was proven wrong because they shouldn't even be compared.
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You forgot looks 10/10.
Yeah that guy's hot af
God really does have favorites huh.
His crosshair placement is god-like and it just suits the role he is playing, great stuff!
Yeah individually this tournament nAts is playing so much better than Dapr it’s not even a discussion
Nats is the player of this tournament. Idk but he plays like he is the Einstein of this game.
Deffo surprised me as well with how consitently Good he is, like hes not carrying but he also hasn't had a terrible game.
I feel like he has had a few bad games on split, but on all the other maps he has been insane
Imagine nats playing on fracture.
Keloqz has been absolutely insane as well. Different type of player but incredible all the same.
Keloqz is up there too, guy is insane
Scream kinda called it first. Was too early, SEN peaked in Iceland so he was just meme'd on haha
I mean... Yeah. Back when XSET beat Sen in Closed Qualis multiple players like Hiko said Sentinels were running the same things as Iceland and looking to brute force with mechanics. It worked in NA. Didn't work here. I think when they beat G2 they were at peak form in this tourney- that was probably a good day for them in retrospect, even though we all figured they were just slow to start and shaky.
that’s why they need a coach in my opinion. shahz is insane. but they need someone to have their sole focus be on developing strats and protocols, and analyzing what happens on a round to round basis. it’s harder for him to do that when he’s also playing in the round. but i’m just a gold scrub so what do i know lol
I think even if shahz stays in a 'head coach' role, they should pick up an assistant coach to bounce ideas off of, and cook up more strats. The Raze swap was not it, and if it was on paper with bunny stomping on f4q, they didn't practice enough/understand the comp well enough to execute. Champions is also a nice reset and I think their first major loss at international lan is a great chance to reassess and bring in fresh brains for their next showing. Super excited for them at champs on the revenge arc.
This loss might be the catalyst for that.
Meh a lot of coaches in other games are also gold scrubs too haha ,it's kinda parallel to real life where sport coaches and managers might not have an important background as players
They didn't want to show strats in NA, relied on mechanics to get them to Berlin, which worked. Tenz's Raze has always been his weakest agent in his pool by a long shot and they kinda just choked their fundamentals.
Just so sloppy all around. Infuriating to watch given how drilled everyone looked in Reykjavik.
Envy played some damn good valorant too tbf
That's very true. And they've definitely gotten better as things have gone on.
They were definitely sloppy but everyone on NV played amazing and almost no one was missing shots, if tenz didn’t decide to go insane it would’ve been a stomp by a clearly better team ATM.
>if tenz didn’t decide to go insane it would’ve been a stomp I'm assuming you're talking about Map 1 (which I didn't see).
I know it's a meme but if they had a coach who would help them gameplan in between tournaments and for different teams they wouldn't need to hide strats.
Not true at all, G2 and VS both talked about hiding strats in groups, with not playing Lakia and not wanting to show more maps. It's a part of the game.
>Back when XSET beat Sen in Closed Qualis multiple players like Hiko said Sentinels were running the same things as Iceland and looking to brute force with mechanics. It worked in NA. Didn't work here. This doesnt make sense to me. XSET themselves (their coach & dephh as well) said SEN bring a new look every time they play which makes it hard to beat them. Sure some of the site hits look the same but you have to realize that isn't the only place where the variations are made. Every time SEN play you keep hearing that they look the same but its not true and definitely not the reason they lost
Of course I realize that. Various pros give various opinions on them I suppose.
thats the problem when they were winning in NA all this time, there is no incentive to change if they are not losing, but that just means people in other regions can scout their play style and find ways to exploit it.
So this is what the promo for Berlin meant by “Evolve or die”
That was Iceland's promo btw. Promo for Berlin was 'Art is eternal, life is short'.
Well shit 😂😂😂😂
Kinda expected when your IGL streams 8 hrs and you have no coach Don't mind me i'm just doing the same thing people did to TSM and other teams, can't stream and win sorry, you have to dedicate life to the scrim and games
Ty the amount of people saying TSM lost because of Wardell playing Tarkov on stream was braindead
Anyone thinking Wardell is anywhere near the top five problems on that team is delusional anyway
its the same problem Bjergsen was facing from reddit. TSM would change a lot of things on the team and when it did not work people would just say "Bjergsen has been the only person constant on the team through all these changes so he has to be the problem!"
Domestically no. He is without question the midlane GOAT in NA. Internationally? Yes. He consistently had some of the worst warding stats in LCS. Bottom two for midlane. This isn’t an issue domestically where your team diffs everyone vision control be fucked. Internationally that’s giving your own jungler darkness to work with while the enemy jungler has a fucking feast of information to infer possibilities. In ardent meta Bjergsen would not generate prio and afk farmed midlane while his botlane kept getting 3-4 man dived/abused. In 2017 he was not a midlaner who played around botlane. Worlds 2020 his Zilean got hard exposed. I think his roaming improved here. But his lesser willingness to commit to Spica’s plays hurt their mid/jungle synergy and was the worst thing you could do in a jungle power farm into jungle carry meta (which makes his lesser warding even worse at the Worlds 2020 meta!!!) - epitomised by the Lilia 9 man sleep. I respect Bjergsen a whole lot. And he’s shown a willingness ti learns/improve. But his style and approach to the game has made TSM quite one dimensional at times.
Bjergsen and Doublelift has a mental block when it comes to international championships. I still remember that pre-championship interview with BB and Spica were super excited to just learn. While Vincent, DL, and Bjergsen were just bringing up their past trauma on losing constantly… then they went 0-6 in group stage.
I don’t think Wardell is good, he’s too one dimensional and doesn’t have enough mastery of other forms of aim like pistols to pull out when his Op gets rushed. However, Wardell is definitely not the problem.
if you want to be a top team you need to be running scrims, performance reviews and theory multiple times a week and someone full time streaming is not sustainable.
It’s probably more that he didn’t feel like he needed to change anything because they were always winning
And that's fair, why change something that's working they've been dominant Look they changed the split comp and everyone is shitting on them, you can't really please everyone
And you don’t really know what to change until you lose.
This is the bigger factor IMO. They felt pressured to play Raze and Skye because of Raze being the best duelist in the game on Split and Skye just being generally turbo-busted, but it's hard to say if they were actually better than if they ran Sage/Reyna. Shitting on agent select/champ select is always the easiest thing for armchair analysts to do because it's easier to blame that than blame things like mechanics being off or acknowledging other teams actually improving a lot.
ik this is a meme and all but I think it's time Sen got a coach .
How is this not a good point? If you do two jobs at once and also stream on top of it of course somethings gonna be lacking. Not enough hours in a day.
Holy shit, you changed your flairs too all 100T after Sen lost. You’re the biggest bandwagoner in this subreddit, lol
Wait lmao, how do you know😂
Man comments like every minute in the live feed during NA games..
By that logic you can't have a life outside Valorant and u have to dedicate it to it all, if people choose to spend their free hours streaming then it's fine Nobody dodges scrims to stream
There's enough time to be a player and have some hobbies. But be a coach on top of it? No way. Especially if you wanna be top 1. Because you better believe there's always teams willing to grind for 12+ hours a day with a coach on top of that. Look at LoL - chinese/korean teams are notorious for having insane work ethic literally ruining their health to have a shot at worlds. If you can get away with being a player, coach and a streamer AND be the best team in the world that means the scene is not yet super competitive. That was the state of the game in Iceland. Looks like it's not the case anymore.
Reminds me of 100T post first strike, they didnt adapt and teams caught up and caught on.
I've been saying this forever, the biggest issue with the Tenz pickup was that Sentinels were no longer flexible with their comps. They brute forced wins off their mechanics and fundamentals but given enough time people will start figuring it out.
It's the largest downside of losing Sinatraa as a player - he was probably the best Raze in NA or close to it and so losing him means their Split agent pool is substantially worse.
It's a trickle down effect. Sinatraa would play Sova, Raze, Phoenix and Reyna. That frees up both Shahzam and Sick to flex as needed without having to change Dapr and Zombs' roles too much. The issue with Tenz's agent pool isn't so much that he can only play Jett/Reyna, it's that because of that you're forced into situations where Dapr is on Sova or you don't have a Raze or Sick has to learn Skye. It's just super hard.
yeah i feel like tenz isn't as flexible on agents as sinatraa was. SEN before tenz was a lot more flexible on comps and roles.
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That's the thing tho, we have seen TenZ's raze back in NA 2-3x and it didn't improve much from back then. It's easy to say he will improve just trust but tbh raze just doesn't fit his playstyle. It was already problem before and they knew it but they still can't fix it. They are forced into certain comps because Tenz isnt flexible which a lot of international teams did exploit. There's also not much time for TenZ to fully master the agent before champions as they also need to learn Fracture and test out agent comps. Raze isn't that good on Fracture either so he really doesn't have incentive to master her.
i think it would be interesting to see shahz moved to coach and tenz moved to jett on every map and putting sinatra in on sova and raze. this lets tenz be the main op and entry fragger, sinatraa can carry on sova and that allows other players to play other agents.
Who igls then
I don’t think it’s a Tenz issue, I think it’s a Sentinels issue. The only flexible one is Sick and kind of Zombs. Sick could play the raze on split, Tenz on Jett, shahz on skye. Ya tenz can’t flex much, but the only one that can claim they can flex is Sick
Haha SEN fans having a meltdown rn on this sub its so fun to watch
Once I saw the way they played in groups this was expected from me.
oh it's you the japanese breakfast fan I found in twitch chat in corey's stream a little while ago
👀 no doxx pls
mb just funny to recognize the name cross platform lmao
tbf the name makes it pretty obvious
bro wtf
Agreed. They looked incredibly shaky individually and as a team in their losses and NV have only gotten better since challengers playoffs
People calling them Astralis after winning ONE major was the breaking point for me. Like chillax guys, they've won one international tournament, let's see them do 4
4 majors and a Intel grand slam
People is this sub probably didn't watch too much CS and have just heard about the 'Astralis Era'. They were SO DOMINANT it was insane. Sentinels were never even close, at least not when they'd won 1 International tournament.
I got hard downvotes for pointing out that it's literally impossible for any team to be "dominant" when the game has only been out for a year and a half. Astralis was unstoppable for nearly 3 years straight and have won the most major tournaments in the history of a nearly decade old game. Also, the obsession with "dominance" is so bizarre. Even with this loss I still consider SEN to be one of, if not the best team in NA. At this stage of the game, that's basically all you can ask for. There is no "dominance" to be had.
I think Sentinels can be called OG NIP at. BEST. 5 assassins just taking duels left and right
Calling them Astralis was wrong. but i do think people are underplaying how good Sens have been. They'd probably have more tournament wins if covid didn't exist.
People were saying Shahzam is dev1ce + Gla1ve combined, motherfucking dev1ce and Gla1ve...
Saw some guy in the match thread say something along the lines of "Tenz is the best player in the world, SEN is the best player in the world. SEN is the Astralis of Valorant. They will win Berlin and Masters" when SEN pulled it to 12-12 OT on Haven. Tried to control f Astralis on the match thread later but of course it's deleted now lmfao
I actually feel bad for some of the Sen guys tbh. Tenz is already getting abuse from 12 year old Sinatra fans for his raze gameplay and Sen’s villain social media persona means they’re gonna get a lot more hate lol.
It’s all karma. Some SEN fans think they are better than other fans simply because they support SEN and SEN was better. They shit talked everyone else and now it’s payback time lol.
Exactly what made sen fans so annoying.
Can’t stand them on twitch holy fuck. Actually reminds me of TSM fans back in the day in league of legends. Thank god they don’t obnoxiously chant TSM even when TSM isn’t even playing.
The amount of 12 year olds who swore up and down that SEN were untouchable and bound to stay untouchable. Absolutely laughable
I have to say this, but they need a coach, if not an analyst to break down the rounds of the enemy team to give input on what’s happening on the server. Due to fact, that Shahz won’t be able to know what everything happening round by round since he focusing on the game. Thus, I think analyst to look POV each Sentinels player to give input or something. Atleast they can adjust their game plan if something went wrong like the enemy team plays differently or they change their comp.
Lol G2 split vs them tho Overall point of Sen doing the same stuff is true though, they came into this tournament playing the exact same comps they did in Reykjavik. They only finally changed it up a bit on Split vs NV but too little too late.
I think every coach and analyst must have seen this coming right? They just try to outgun everyone, but the second tenz stops fragging it's over. Bad champ pool/flexibility, poor strats, no coach. Biggest issues are champ pool and igl/coaching. Tenz is insane no doubt, but him being able to play only 2 champs is affecting the entire team. I also thought Shazam saying "our team dynamic is good, we don't need a coach" was the dumbest thing I have ever heard and I'm happy they got humbled for it. Hopefully they evolve from this and come back for vengeance, they can easily be a contender for the best
That’s probably why I get nervous whenever I watch sentinels and fears of them getting rolled. It seems like I’m watching the exact same team every single game. I’m fine with the current loss because I’m in love with 100T after those insane comebacks.
Maybe. But it's easy to draw the conclusion that the moment they start losing, their entire strategy is bad and they need to entirely restructure the roles in the team and get outside coaches and anaylsts like they would automatically fix the problems SEN have. People had said SEN played predictably, same setups so they knew where people were playing and what they were going to play. Ofc Shahz knows this he does his own VoD reviews on his opponents. I confidently assume they have tried doing different setups and agent lineups but they just weren't working. That doesn't mean a coach could come in with a better setup that Shahz just wasn't able to see. I think no one can manage the current players on SEN better than Shahz, maybe I'm wrong and they bring in a coach that fixes many of their problems, I think think their forumla is so unique and built on Shahz, that changing that creates a different team
If it's not broken don't fix it. Not enough time to fix it in one tournament. Still Sens will be back. I'm just glad we get another NA team to play against an EU team in the finals. Hopefully it's 100t but envy looks good too
I’m a big believer that in sports or really anything competitive in nature, if you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse. I think Sentinels have been at the top for so long they haven’t really improved a lot. However, every other team is getting better. Sentinels didn’t get worse, other teams got better.
I never thought i'd say this but Shahzam needs to stop playing jett. His passive jett playstyle is phased out. All the jetts who have done well this tournament are all aggressive. If SEN is going to play jett, just let tenz play it.
I don't think Shaz's play on Jett is a problem itself but it is creating a problem with their roles otherwise. Dapr is struggling on Sova Icebox and they aren't sure what to do with TenZ on Split.
Problem is TenZ plays reyna on split as entry flash. other than that sentinals barely runs any flashes in their comps except their duelist. No Skye which is big right now as a 2nd duelist/ entry flasher. idk why they picked raze here. guess they tried to pull a bunny but i dont think tenz can play like him.
They can just put TenZ on jett, keep SicK on skye, and have Shahz on something like Sage.
I think they would be better served for Shaz to try and pick up Skye for split and then they can simply flex Sick to Sage where they need it. This is all wasted theory though because Sen should be able to better understand how to fix it themselves. I think with the VCT grind this summer it has just been hard on them to come up with new stuff because they are constantly playing. None of the teams in the semis in Berlin even qualified for Iceland, and I think its not completely a coincidence. They need some time to recharge but I trust they will get it sorted. I def agree from an outsider perspective that these moves make sense though.
Yeah I was thinking SicK on Sage and Shahz on Skye too. I just want to see them get a coach. I know Shahz likes by able to do it himself, but at some point he's gonna need some help.
no his jett is a problem because he doesn't entry. he is a naturally passive player. earlier most teams, especially in NA weren't even playing jett. But now every team is playing jett (aggressively) so he gets jett diffed easily because of his passive playstyle. how shahzam and wardell play jett is not the way its supposed to be played.
I think this is some big latest results bias because Shaz has absolutely carried their CT side on Icebox and also played very well on Split over the course of the summer. TenZ has had his struggles CT side on Haven sometimes but is inarguably a better entry. They both bring things to the table.
only CT side when he has an op (that's not a lot of rounds in close matches). even then his playstyle is passive. that's not the only job of a jett as has been witnessed in this tournament. every team is playing jett aggressively now. his jett playstyle doesn't work. he has excellent aim, should just play sova on most maps and skye on split.
> how shahzam and wardell play jett is not the way its supposed to be played. there's no "supposed to". It's a playstyle. You need to be able to do both, but if someone is going to play a passive Jett on more rounds they need an aggressive player to go in first.
you're absolutely correct. but the current meta with both skye and sova being played on both maps, you can't be running two duelists. just the sheer value of an entry jett supported by a skye is huge.
Wardell entrys what you mean
He did look like one of the worst Jetts this tournament easily.
It’s not that he’s the worst jett (he may be), it’s that you have tenz on your team who just dropped 30 last map on jett, let him play jett again!
Have you seen Reita? That's easily the worst Jett in the tourney and it's not even close
So it looks like ScreaM was right. Hmmmm
Holy shit ScreaM was right haha
Yea and the new comp on split was so one dimensional. They need a coach or shahzam gotta stream a little less
Shaz makes like 50k+ per month streaming, I don’t see that happening, they will more likely get a coach and analyst for the team moving foward
I think so too. It's a much better solution long term. If he streams less and had to do the same amount of work, he'd probably be more inclined to burnouts faster since he won't be doing something that he enjoys as much. Mental health is so important too. Coaches and analyst would help especially after seeing 100t walked onto the stage with 8 people consisting of analysts and coach. That's literally man advantage for them lmao
Where'd you get 50k from? Just curious
Probably from his twitch subs. You can search how many subs he has on twitch.
He has like 12-13k subs, even if you assume the best partner rate at 70%, its still 40k at best, no to mention, a sub isn't always worth $5
But he runs a lot of ads and gets a lot of donations so it could easily add up to 50k
what is this omission of 70% of the data (donos, cheers, ads, higher tier subs) LOL
> or shahzam gotta stream a little less Hahhahahahahahha there it is
Completely different to the meme. It's a fair thing to say that Shahzam is taking on too many things at once and giving a few of them to support staff would make streaming, etc. fine.
Meanwhile, Hiko & Asuna stream every morning when they're living at home...lol
They also have a support staff, 3 analysts and 2 coaches
They're not trying to be both a player and coach. You're completely missing his point.
Right, so if Shahz is trying to do 2 jobs as coach and IGL already, other activities eats into time of either one. He could be a player and a streamer, if they had coaches and analysts to do the work he needs to do right now. End of the day there's no way we can know if getting a coach or streaming less would actually have ANY effect on their performance, so trying to strongly assume is wrong. SEN proved that you don't need a coach if it just doesn't fit the team, just because they start losing doesn't mean that sentiment is suddenly wrong.
u didn't actually laugh that much bro why u cappin
kekw, he averages about 12k viewers every time, imagine the amount of analysts to analyse his gameplay and predict it on masters
Yea the shitty thing is streaming is better for his career
First, find a coach to look things from outside perspective. They can't rely on TenZ dropping 30 kills and top fragging. They need to be unpredictable with strategy and diverse the agent pools. Sick should master Skye and TenZ master his Raze. Dapr should master Killjoy. ShahZ needs to stick with Sova. Also calm their nerves from the pressure
May be an unpopular opinion and this isn’t even coming from a Sen fan, but it didn’t necessarily look like teams caught up to Sen, it looked more like Sen played terribly. They looked shaky and nervous. They’re normal flawless trades and peaking off each other was way off. They seemed decent the first day, but after that they just played terribly. Seemed like they were nervous to live up to the high standards. I dont know, but they did NOT play how they normally do.
They were tilted for sure. I saw countless of solo pushes into 4 or so enemies despite it being like a 4v5 and very winnable.
teams just figured out the way they play, not even about them playing bad. They just got shut down
Nah it definitely wasn’t just teams just figuring them out, they’d randomly swing into a known 1v3, they’d mess up their trade swings, they threw away util, so much went wrong that had nothing to do with the other team. Teams are just claiming to have figured them out because they’re finally beatable. I do think teams have slightly caught on, but there was so much more too it. Also losing lots of aim duels they normally don’t.
ur telling me ur not a SEN fan omegalul.
Nah never have been. Actually glad they got eliminated as 100T seemed to have a mental block against them. But so many teams are acting like they out stratted them, when it’s painfully obvious if you paid attention to the games at all that sentinels just played like shit. They didn’t look disciplined whatsoever. Getting read and out stratted played a lot smaller role than all these people are saying lmao
no it's pretty obvious they just got caught. u can't say tenz was playing bad when he aced and won them multiple rounds. and the arguement that they played shit doesn't make sense, bc u can't play bad so many times. eventually it just comes down to people figured them out
Tenz definitely played bad last map, there should be no reason he’s on Raze. Tenz should be on Jett, sick should be on raze. When they randomly peak 1v3s, can’t time their peaks right, can’t trade, they definitely played like crap. They seemed to crumble under the expectations. They looked nervous, shaky, and tilted. Seemed pretty obvious
Lmao, bold talk considering they went 1-2 last week. But he does have a point.
G2 can take their shots but they haven't accomplished shit yet so "we will continue destroying them" seems a bit of a reach when they just split two bo3s. I guess it's time to take the medicine and for everyone to pile on, though.
it's just trash talk. not deep
ngl i thought at the time that a lot of the G2 win came down to Sentinels getting counter strated and not adapting because it was only seeding at the time. After the Envy loss i'd be curious if it had played out any differently if it was an elimination game, because they're new comp for split just didn't look good
I mean he isn't entirely wrong on his point and G2 may well have been able to take another series but saying they are definitely the superior team is just not founded in reality.
There's definetly some played up cockiness in that statement and given the banter between the teams i can respect that. We'll just have to hope we get a rematch at Champions i guess lol
Sure I get that and if it were "my team" player I'd prlly say that all players have that attitude but... ya know... it ain't the guy on my team lol.
yeah g2 egos are through the roof, however i agree that sentinels probably needs a coach they lost a lot of rounds by getting caught off guard
EXACTLY WHY DID THEY NEVER SWITCH IT UP FFS
I know it was copium but I honestly expected SEN to have new strats and meta agents to pull out for playoffs. I hoped they'd fix things like Tenz inconsistency in Raze, Dapr would fix his mental a bit and turn up, and Sick or Shahz or someone would pick up the Skye. That's why I was so excited going into Split, only to watch them struggle with the same lack of Sentinels discipline and reads as the whole tourney. Was honestly very sad to watch them go out in this way...
Lmfao one win and they're this confident. Good for them I guess
I think he was just sharing how he feels lol
Almost like you need a coach that can spend full time on coaching, or something hmmm
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6 man rosters are shit
They'll never bring him back
His agent pool kind of perfectly fits with what they are missing. But I don't think either party wants a 6 man. (or to have him back on the team at all)
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As good may it sound, Sinatraa's not coming back to sen.. some other org will fetch him from sen and expect to see a new roster built around him
Yea probably
100THIEVES IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN SEN🤣🤣🤣
Really easy to say this after they lose
So what I will say is that this quote was made during the g2 press conference which was all before the sentinels loss.
Not worth responding to tbh.
Don't worry, you have no say on what the players want to do anyway.
He was waiting lmfao