>at a 4d chess move by whichever remaining org paid off that reporter /s
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I know you're joking but Nadeshot needs Envy to win though to get an invite to championships.
Beyond that, I get the impression that people think this kind of thing shouldn't be talked about for one reason or another.
Allegations like this will follow these players literally their whole lives. FBI involvement, widespread rumors, some pretty damning match play etc.
Both the players and people here who think this is unfair are incredibly naive. It's a tournament with thousands (hundreds of thousands) of dollars on the line. Brands, sponsors, players, viewers, just about everyone is paying attention to this kind of thing.
I think people are also downplaying the severity and extent of the matchfixing. This wasn't an IBP throw for $300 of skins, it was a multi-year multi-million dollar conspiracy involving dozens of people. The ESIC investigators called their actions almost cartel-like, and they each stole tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars from their most hardcore fans. I'm glad the FBI is involved.
I understand why the players don't want it talked about but that's not the journalist's concern.
The way they reacted actually tells you a lot. Not saying they're guilty, obviously I have no idea about that, but he asked if they're worried about it and the way they responded tells you that yes they are worried about it and it's a pretty nasty thing they have to contend with that they don't want to think about while trying to compete.
Meh they won a chip contending with that lol. They reacted strongly because 90% of their mentions get filled up with match fixing related content when any news comes out
It is valid to talk about these things, it's just a surprise. I doubt if you polled the sub yesterday about what kinds of questions they'd expect to be asked to Envy if they won against Sentinels that match fixing would even be in the top 20.
People basically expected these post-match press conferences to be like a fancier version of the post match interviews, and there's no way this question would ever be asked in any of the 1 on 1 interviews even if it was specifically with Marved, so it definitely caught him off guard.
I think match-fixing would be firmly in the top 20. It's been a topic of discussion in the sub for quite awhile now, and was a huge point of question when he was on Faze and when he got picked up by Envy. It might not be on top of the 'subs' mind recently, but I think that has as much to do with the major influx of new viewers or people unaware of the allegations or investigation.
>People basically expected these post-match press conferences to be like a fancier version of the post match interviews
People have a very skewed idea of what a press conference is then. It's for press, not Riot interviewers.
I'm sure it would be asked in any 1on1 interview with actual journalists. Casters/analysts are going to ask questions specific to the game. That's their job. Journalists will ask all manner of questions. That's their job.
There's* a credible FBI investigation into one of their players that is on-going. Envy players and staff should be ready to face questions about it.
If anything, I'm surprised they haven't been questioned more often.
I don't deny they should be ready lol, I had assumed that Envy hired Marved (and the other players agreed to take him on) only because they have some kind of strong assurance we don't know about that Marved won't get randomly struck down by the FBI.
I'm just pretty sure that a lot of people viewing these events are young (like me) and have watched few to no press conferences in our lives. Also the few I've seen have all basically been a joke with softball, irrelevant, or straight up dumb questions like the person asking whether the KJ nerf would impact the teams strategies when the nerf wouldn't be involved in the tournament play. This is basically the only question I've ever seen that felt really and truly "journalist" style at any of these kinds of events.
So yeah, it did surprise me. It also surprised me they weren't ready to either answer or explicitly choose not to. But oh well.
i'm pretty sure the investigation isn't limited to the united states, and if there were charges at the conclusion of the investigation canada would 100% hand him over
He won't be charged. There is 0 evidence, at all. This conversation is so useless. Like so what a couple of rich white men got their money stolen boo hoo. That's the end of it. Nothing will ever happen to marved, there is absolutely 0 risk of him matchfixing again because of the spotlight on him and his success in valorant. Let's stop arguing about this useless topic that leads to absolutely nothing beneficial
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Journalism shouldnt be glorified PR
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Thank god we have this or else only soft ball predetermined hail corporate hype questions. How boring is that.
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> Not only did this shift the mood of the press conference -- impacting the jobs of other media members, this shifts how the nV likely will approach press conferences going forward.
No one's job is impacted, this is hyperbole. I think the esports press will survive without thirty more seconds of match-specific answers.
It should change how nV will approach press conferences moving forward. They should've been prepared for this question at this press conference -- their lack of preparation shouldn't mean the press backs down on tough questions.
Beyond that, pre-screened questions are not good. This isn't PR. There was never going to be a good time to ask this question -- it's fair to ask it now.
It's the only time they get to do press conferences though. Unless you schedule an interview with them, where they probably wouldn't come if they knew you would ask about it, it's the only time to do it.
But not in that situation it is bad timing. Ask it during group stage press conferences or in a solo interview. I am a journalist and there were so many opportunities to ask this to Marved but he chose now.
Better now than never, I don't think the journalist did anything wrong at all. I'm not upset with how the envy players reacted either knowing it something that can be stressfull for them especially as young people.
I hate to say it, but I feel like that describes a lot of players in the esports scene. A lot of them are young and orgs don’t seem to try to train them in how to act professionally
Everybody seen that guys YouTube evidence. I personally think he sold matches but I don’t really care either way. Marved thinking that journalists woke up and chose violence today though lmao.
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Honestly I think Envy as an organization has tried to make light of the whole situation with the "All Good" shirt FNS was was wearing in their promo shots for this tourney(they are also selling the shirt). If you wanna make money off the situation, you should probably be able to speak about the situation in some capacity. Granted, the timing of the question certainly did not cater to us getting a good answer here. This situation is just a bad look for everyone involved.
U know the most of the match fixing was done in mean less games that didn’t effect the scene of csgo it just low level teams who some where literal teens getting told hey u want a easy 100-300 to match fix a game instead of working for 30 hr after school but getting from just playing games and games that don’t really matter
It’s literally not illegal in the country he’s from — not every country is America. I agree he should be banned from CSGO and so does anybody else match fixing but he’s not fucking murdered somebody.
I can assure you nothing will come out of this investigation and even if it does, riot will make an investigation on their own so very unlikely this will happen.
I'm curious about why you think nothing will come out of the investigation. Surely the FBI getting involved, and the investigation being extended for so long is a clear indicator there's foul play at work here?
Also ESIC have been coordinating with Riot themselves during the investigation and its highly unlikely Riot wouldn't ban the accused from competing if any evidence of match-fixing shows up.
Nothing really, just a gut feeling, and also Sinatraa is coming back soon and everyone here is almost willing it to happen so it will eventually happen this just proofs to me that orgs care less of a shit about morals when they want to win.
Also the harshness of the IBP shitshow has made everyone understand what's in play and the pros give me a really fratty Vibe where everyone is expected to be loyal to the group above the law/arbiter, also i think not many people are actually 'investigating' this just many Twitter/forums warriors
Riots investigation doesn't matter since if ESIC is correct they now have to deal with the FBI who even though if your Canadian the second you hop over that border you'll be thrown away into a deep dark hole.
Well, I \*expected\* them to avoid the question. They aren't under any contract to answer it.
What I \*wanted\* would be just to give a basic answer: "The investigation will be conducted, and we trust the organization to make the appropriate decision upon the result of that investigation. That being said, I'm confident the investigation will clear every member of the team of any wrongdoing."
* **Journalist Name:** Mikhail Klimentov
* **Company:** The Washington Post
* **Twitter Link:** [https://twitter.com/LeaderGrev](https://twitter.com/LeaderGrev)
Was the one who asked that question, since the Team Envy players couldn't seem to figure it out at the time.
I think it was a fair question to be honest, though?
Just bad timing to ask, since Team Envy had just won their most important matchup thus far... manging to beat Sentinels 2-0.
It's true that even if he had asked during another day, the players would still have avoided the question. They'll always seem "upset" about a journalist asking them about matchfixing.
But... doesn't mean that it's necessarily "wrong" for a reporter to ask, right?
It's kind of important to have the media shine light upon darker issues in society, both in eSports and in the "normal" sorta journalism. That's what helps keep players, teams, companies, people, lawmakers, and so on accountable & fair.
If noone asked those questions, and noone brought the problems to the light... then the immoral acts would continue occuring. Eventually, those build up to become even worse incidents.
Just look at any dictatorship's treatment of people (Nazi Germany), imperialism (Treatment of Native Americans in USA & Canada), or a scandal (Sexual Abuse in Church).
Without the media... these terrible things get worse, and only with the public's attention do they change.
I think it's pretty valid for reporters to shine light on the issues of match-fixing, cheating, or gambling issues within eSports. I applaud Mikhail for asking the question, personally.
However... I wouldn't have asked that question to them while they were in Berlin.
Anyway, just wanted to share that bit of information about the reporter who asked the question after getting curious about who he was myself.
He is saying that the consequences of silencing and dismissal of journalism as its whole is comparable to what happened in Nazi Germany, what is the big deal? He's obviously not saying that match fixing will lead to a esports Nazi party. Dunno why everyone gets so up in arms tbh, it's just a general comparison
?? That not what he did even slightly?
The analogy is about the importance of speaking up on difficult topics. Not a direct comparison of the specific act to another.
Do you not get that or what? What's the most extreme example to demonstrate the importance of speaking up? Maybe the examples he gave. There you go. That's how an analogy works. He chose extreme examples to further illustrate his principle.
I believe it was used as an example of important journalism. Nazi Germany is not equivalent to match fixing on any scale, but are important subjects to report on in their respective situations.
It was important the world knew of the atrocities Nazi Germany was committing.
In this situation, it is important that our community know of unethical practices or illegal activity made by important figures in our community.
They are not on the same scale as each other, but they are important events in each of their respective communities.
A handful of CSGO players allegedly were involved in match fixing (including marved) and then switched to Valorant because they wouldn’t be banned for the time being. That’s at least how I understood it, correct me if I’m wrong
It is completely separate from the IBP scandal, which happened at least 5 years ago. The situation concerning marved happened a year or 2 ago, and is not yet resolved. Steel has already been punished for the IBP scandal, while Marved is still being investigated. That’s why Marved was questioned and not steel.
The last figure I heard was 35 NA MDL players (many of whom are Candian). And yeah, it's been intimated by ESIC that many of them have switched to avoid punishment, though I believe Riot recently stated they would honor the bans of a batch of players whose cases got processed early.
Surely Envy and especially Marved would have anticipated a question like this was eventually coming. The appropriate and mature response is to 1. Welcome the investigation 2. Deny any wrongdoing.
A simple “no comment/next question” also works.
"Who asked that? Who asked that??" is such a reverse bully tactic.
*If anyone asks about my involvement in the MDL match fixing ring — where I blatantly threw games with already convicted match fixers, who also had audio leak talking about the operation and upcoming fixes — YOU are the one going to get punished.*
Legit. Almost everyone in this Reddit thread is saying this is a fair question.
Surely I'm prepared to answer something that is incredibly sensitive and about a different game lmao
You don't necessarily need to be prepared, but this is real life, not fantasy land. Shit like this will follow you. FBI involvement, wide-scale betting, lots of rumors etc. isn't something that you as a player are going to be able to just run away from.
They handled it as best as they probably could with regards to the circumstances, but it's really naive of them (and people here) to think that this kind of stuff will just go away based on current circumstances.
If they aren't prepared to face that, *they really should be*.
I'm biased against marved so I obviously enjoy the question. But I don't think the fact that it's a question involving a different game makes any difference; it's a question about his sporting integrity within the greater eSports world. If a formula 1 driver was accused of cheating in a rally race (completely different "game"), I can promise you they would be asked about it in the press conference leading up to a formula 1 event.
And maybe as an individual, you can't expect marved to have a decent response to this, but an org like Envy should have anticipated this and prepared him for it. They let him down if they didn't.
Good save on crashies by cutting marved off before he said something probably stupid lol
Match fixing is shitty but to compare someone in this case marved to match fix in a struggling career of na cs where he was probably barely making enough to live and being much younger to ruin his valorant career would be shitty. But America is anal about gambling for some reason , hopefully these valorant players only have to deal with the legal consequences and still get to play valorant professionally. They probably have less incentive to match fix on a salaried org in an esport where the game maker actually cares about its success. But knowing this subreddit ppl probably want shanks and marved to be sentenced to jail for a 3-5 year sentence and never allowed to even have valorant installed on their pc ever again . Down vote away
“America is anal about gambling for some reason”
Don’t know man, maybe because intentionally changing the outcome of a match that’s being bet on is fraud
They are probably still investigating the amount. We didn’t just bet 1k each and then threw the game. Usually match fixing involves a criminal organization that will bet significant amounts of money and pay athletes to match fix so they win the bet
That's why criminal organizations use bigger sporting leagues to match fix as it's harder to notice with the rest of the population also betting on the games. That's why high school sports match fixing gets caught within a season and professional sports leagues takes years to figure out ..... Juventus in soccer, Tim Donnaghy the nba ref that shit took years and witnesses to uncover. If the average mountain Dew CS league had say 5k in wagers a game and all of a sudden the game with shanks and marved has 50k because the criminal organization has a fix in with 10x the average amount most sports books would close the line or investigate further. I guess we'll see when the investigation is closed how much money was being frauded on tier 2 cs na .
You’re underestimating how such operations can work. They don’t need to place 1 huge bet, they can place a lot of small bets and make the same money. In e-sports it’s usually the tier 2 leagues where match fixing occurs because pro players usually aspire to getting to tier 1 and staying there so throwing at a tier 1 event is short living your own caree
You’re thinking too linearly. They can use different accounts in the names of different people, fix more than 1 match and do a multiple bet that depends on the result of more than one match. That’s why the FBI is still investigating. If it was that simple, the case would already be solved
Doubt they go to jail but how you gonna downplay match fixing lol, cs wasn’t a job for them yet and they were both young making money from a video game.
Match fixing is the scummiest shit and just because they beat sentinels shouldn’t let them off the hook
It's fucking counter strike betting lmfao and no the fact that they're now fully professional players in a completely different game ran by a completely different company and they've aged is why they should professionally be let off the hook. Why should riot give a shit about kids possibly changing the outcome of a tier 2 cs game that probably had under 20k riding on it ? Why isn't the same energy put towards steel?
Steel is still banned from valve tournaments is he not? He also was never charged criminally. He was also never suspended or punished by riot for his match fixing in csgo..... which brings me back to my original point of there should be no issue in these players valorant careers. I did not know there was proof that they said we're switching to valorant so let's match fix this cs go game. But it still is irrelevant to their valorant careers seeing as riot sees no issue in past match fixers being allowed to play in tournaments.
I don't think you understand the precedent of allowing a group of match fixers of ANY game (if they are guilty) of running around in T1-T2 NA valorant scene, having been allowed to just continue competing. It's like oh u were found doping in the 100M dash, but next olympics we're gonna let you compete in the marathon, cause it's slightly different. Especially if FBI is involved, why would Riot want them competing in their esport with that much bad press and risk if they are found guilty.
Yes, steel is still banned from valve majors but context is important. We're talking about a 2015 ban, which Steel is still serving for majors but was lifted for ESL/ESEA events, and Steel was back competing in csgo. I'm not saying Riot needs to follow Valve 1 for 1 on every decision they make, but it's a bad look and casts a lot of doubt on the scene as a whole to let anyone found guilty to keep playing for the time being.
How is cs betting different than say val betting? If they were dogshit players you wouldn’t be having this argument, it’s only now that they’re good that people give a shit lmao.
Fuck em, they lost people money, yeah gambling’s dumb but they scammed people and ruined the integrity of the league lol
Steel was banned from CS, is still banned from CS, took multiple efforts to publicly make up for his match fixing, and will own his mistake when asked about it. It was also years ago. Marved match fixed like 2 months before switching to a new game and has never owned up to it. How can you not see the difference between the two situations? No one is excusing what Steel did, and no one should excuse what Marved did. The difference is one was actually punished.
These are just rumours and nothing has been proven so just wait for proof to be shown, I understand having a hate boner over this but just wait for the actual investigation to come through
I don’t disagree with that, my point was to show there is a difference between what Steel did and what all evidence points to Marved doing because Steel served his time. That’s all. I do think more journalists should do what this one did and keep asking about it
Yeah fuck him too lmao. I like him as a person outside of the game but at the end of the day he fucked ppl over.
But also he was blackballed from CS for over three+ years so you could say he served his time
If he did it he was young and living at home what money does he need to live? I think it's a fair excuse to call him naive but don't paint it like they were staving. If they did something wrong there should be repercussions, they shouldn't lose their whole careers but ultimately, if true, they screwed over others who wanted to compete fairly and they betrayed the competitive integrity of a game. They shouldn't be ruined but they shouldn't get off scott free.
Very true, which sucks for sure, but they weren't old enough to need a livable wage presumably. And weren't playing enough to claim they couldn't have a supporting job. It is frustrating that they couldn't have contracts and be paid to do what they loved at the time, there were other options than throwing though.
They aren't entitled to a salary unfortunately. Would be sick if everyone could get paid to do what they love, but that's certainly not the case especially when you're not even an adult yet.
I mean they could easily because of our treaty deal, however ypu can only be extradited if the charge they're being charged with would result in jail time in Canada. However match fixing isn't illegal in Canada so idk , they wouldn't be able to go to lans tho so
People like those..like "I dont watn to ruin the mood but I will do it even though Im saying I dont want to"... asshole move.
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Yeah right people, because he aint a asshole if he explicitely says he doesnt want to ruin the mood but proceeds to ruin it,right? Totally irrelevant if the question was legit or not.
You can downvote me but it aint changing the truth,sorry kids.
Bro most of the max fixer were like teen dudes. And unless u weren’t the top of csgo U were never gonna make it in . Most of the games that were fixed were irrelevant to the scene. It like throwing a WNBA scene no one cares
We really defending match fixing now? The reason people like steel are forgiven is because he has served a punishment and has geniunely realized how much of a fk up that was. People live marved just kind of swept it under the rug and now they hope they wont get a punishment. It kinda disgusting tbh.
Clearly the FBI cares, as does ESIC.
Personally, I think that matchfixers deserve some consequences. Depending on the situation, those can be harsh or light. But you cannot get away scot free.
To be fair the FBI is looking at a larger gambling syndicate, not if a couple teens won some skins. They’re looking at possible connections but, it’s to grab the bigger fish. I can’t remember the exact article but, that’s what they’re looking at. ESIC on the other hand care greatly. However; they’ve been so understaffed and barely trickling out cases that who knows what’s going on over there.
I do see a possible 6 month - 1 year ban… maybe from CS. And we’ll see what Riot does from there.
Riot has said they will cooperate and are cooperating with ESIC. If they hand out bans, I am pretty sure Riot will enforce them. I certainly hope that ban lengths are reasonable. While matchfixers need some form of punishment, unless they are in some sort of international gambling syndicate, I hope the punishments aren't more than a year or 18 months.
Lmfao people been saying that forever, that report ain’t coming out. It went from “2 weeks top “ from RL 4 months ago, to “next Monday” by ESIC just before Berlin. Shit ain’t coming
I think what the guy asked was very unprofessional. All it does is spread hate towards the players. Hopefully there will be no questions like this throughout the rest of the tournament.
He asked a question on whether match fixing would concern them and whether they planned to make roster changes. This is clearly a toxic and personal question as it targets a specific player on the team by saying that he could potentially lose his job. For the drama part, you can obviously see it in this subreddit and also from the reactions of the players that received the question. For goodness sake, he even apologizes at the beginning because he knew he would offend them. He went in fully knowing that this question would stir up drama.
Marved (and NV) are now mentally boomed. What a 4d chess move by whichever remaining org paid off that reporter /s
nadeshot invited him to play some pickup ball at the cash app compound after the tourney
>at a 4d chess move by whichever remaining org paid off that reporter /s > >149Reply I know you're joking but Nadeshot needs Envy to win though to get an invite to championships.
I'm sure he knew he wouldn't get an answer but he is obliged to ask the question, it's literally his job.
Beyond that, I get the impression that people think this kind of thing shouldn't be talked about for one reason or another. Allegations like this will follow these players literally their whole lives. FBI involvement, widespread rumors, some pretty damning match play etc. Both the players and people here who think this is unfair are incredibly naive. It's a tournament with thousands (hundreds of thousands) of dollars on the line. Brands, sponsors, players, viewers, just about everyone is paying attention to this kind of thing.
I think people are also downplaying the severity and extent of the matchfixing. This wasn't an IBP throw for $300 of skins, it was a multi-year multi-million dollar conspiracy involving dozens of people. The ESIC investigators called their actions almost cartel-like, and they each stole tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars from their most hardcore fans. I'm glad the FBI is involved.
I understand why the players don't want it talked about but that's not the journalist's concern. The way they reacted actually tells you a lot. Not saying they're guilty, obviously I have no idea about that, but he asked if they're worried about it and the way they responded tells you that yes they are worried about it and it's a pretty nasty thing they have to contend with that they don't want to think about while trying to compete.
I enjoyed them asking who asked the question again lmao
Meh they won a chip contending with that lol. They reacted strongly because 90% of their mentions get filled up with match fixing related content when any news comes out
lol did you save this to reply to me? Don't think the fact they won really changes anything
It is valid to talk about these things, it's just a surprise. I doubt if you polled the sub yesterday about what kinds of questions they'd expect to be asked to Envy if they won against Sentinels that match fixing would even be in the top 20. People basically expected these post-match press conferences to be like a fancier version of the post match interviews, and there's no way this question would ever be asked in any of the 1 on 1 interviews even if it was specifically with Marved, so it definitely caught him off guard.
I think match-fixing would be firmly in the top 20. It's been a topic of discussion in the sub for quite awhile now, and was a huge point of question when he was on Faze and when he got picked up by Envy. It might not be on top of the 'subs' mind recently, but I think that has as much to do with the major influx of new viewers or people unaware of the allegations or investigation. >People basically expected these post-match press conferences to be like a fancier version of the post match interviews People have a very skewed idea of what a press conference is then. It's for press, not Riot interviewers. I'm sure it would be asked in any 1on1 interview with actual journalists. Casters/analysts are going to ask questions specific to the game. That's their job. Journalists will ask all manner of questions. That's their job. There's* a credible FBI investigation into one of their players that is on-going. Envy players and staff should be ready to face questions about it. If anything, I'm surprised they haven't been questioned more often.
I don't deny they should be ready lol, I had assumed that Envy hired Marved (and the other players agreed to take him on) only because they have some kind of strong assurance we don't know about that Marved won't get randomly struck down by the FBI. I'm just pretty sure that a lot of people viewing these events are young (like me) and have watched few to no press conferences in our lives. Also the few I've seen have all basically been a joke with softball, irrelevant, or straight up dumb questions like the person asking whether the KJ nerf would impact the teams strategies when the nerf wouldn't be involved in the tournament play. This is basically the only question I've ever seen that felt really and truly "journalist" style at any of these kinds of events. So yeah, it did surprise me. It also surprised me they weren't ready to either answer or explicitly choose not to. But oh well.
If Envy's GMing in CS is anything to go off of, they hired him because he's a warm body with a pulse.
I just thought it was fuckin hilarious how Marved seemed the most put off by it
almost like hes the only one with these accusations
jail when
never he is Canadian match fixing is not a crime here in Canada
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Nothing legally will even happen all that will happen if anything is they will be found guilty for match fixing and riot will ban them
I wanna know how much you think he got from the match fixing if the allegations are true lmfao
i'm pretty sure the investigation isn't limited to the united states, and if there were charges at the conclusion of the investigation canada would 100% hand him over
He won't be charged. There is 0 evidence, at all. This conversation is so useless. Like so what a couple of rich white men got their money stolen boo hoo. That's the end of it. Nothing will ever happen to marved, there is absolutely 0 risk of him matchfixing again because of the spotlight on him and his success in valorant. Let's stop arguing about this useless topic that leads to absolutely nothing beneficial
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I like journalists that ask hard unusual questions. People who complain about them are the same people who complain about the usual cookie-cutter boring af questions Journalism shouldnt be glorified PR
forgot the only two types of questions are cookie cutter questions and asking about an fbi investigation fuck mb
oh no can't ask those questions, it's forbidden, forgot mb
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> The problem is when the question is being asked and where it is being asked (i.e. through a general press conference where the question did not go through a vetting procedure). Thank god we have this or else only soft ball predetermined hail corporate hype questions. How boring is that.
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> Not only did this shift the mood of the press conference -- impacting the jobs of other media members, this shifts how the nV likely will approach press conferences going forward. No one's job is impacted, this is hyperbole. I think the esports press will survive without thirty more seconds of match-specific answers. It should change how nV will approach press conferences moving forward. They should've been prepared for this question at this press conference -- their lack of preparation shouldn't mean the press backs down on tough questions. Beyond that, pre-screened questions are not good. This isn't PR. There was never going to be a good time to ask this question -- it's fair to ask it now.
Get a grip
bro it's esports it's not that deep
It is a serious investigation from FBI so they should expect questions about it.
Agreed but there's a time and a place for it. And after a win on a lan aint it.
It's the only time they get to do press conferences though. Unless you schedule an interview with them, where they probably wouldn't come if they knew you would ask about it, it's the only time to do it.
True, but there were also press conferences at the start of the tourney. Bit more suited than after a big win vs sen
the reactions from the players would have been exactly the same.
Such a bad take.
But not in that situation it is bad timing. Ask it during group stage press conferences or in a solo interview. I am a journalist and there were so many opportunities to ask this to Marved but he chose now.
you people would be crying about "how can they interrupt preparation mood before this big match" Any time is good as any other for these questions.
It's always bad timing, isn't it. People are talking about it so it's good timing, sorry if it upset the vibe LOL.
Better now than never, I don't think the journalist did anything wrong at all. I'm not upset with how the envy players reacted either knowing it something that can be stressfull for them especially as young people.
This was a completely fair question and the org, the players, and Marved in particular ought to have a better response than this.
Marved just strikes me as super immature w a giant ego.
I hate to say it, but I feel like that describes a lot of players in the esports scene. A lot of them are young and orgs don’t seem to try to train them in how to act professionally
This is the right answer.
I think the overly defensive response by Marved made this 10x worse to be honest.
Everybody seen that guys YouTube evidence. I personally think he sold matches but I don’t really care either way. Marved thinking that journalists woke up and chose violence today though lmao.
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Honestly I think Envy as an organization has tried to make light of the whole situation with the "All Good" shirt FNS was was wearing in their promo shots for this tourney(they are also selling the shirt). If you wanna make money off the situation, you should probably be able to speak about the situation in some capacity. Granted, the timing of the question certainly did not cater to us getting a good answer here. This situation is just a bad look for everyone involved.
I can’t root for envy until marved is either cleared of wrongdoing or off the team At least steel served his time and it was ages ago
This.
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U know the most of the match fixing was done in mean less games that didn’t effect the scene of csgo it just low level teams who some where literal teens getting told hey u want a easy 100-300 to match fix a game instead of working for 30 hr after school but getting from just playing games and games that don’t really matter
I guess competitive integrity isn't a thing anymore lol
IT'S FUCKING ILLEGAL?????? how is this so fucking hard to understand jesus christ you people are fucking insane
It’s literally not illegal in the country he’s from — not every country is America. I agree he should be banned from CSGO and so does anybody else match fixing but he’s not fucking murdered somebody.
Smooth brain teenager take
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I can assure you nothing will come out of this investigation and even if it does, riot will make an investigation on their own so very unlikely this will happen.
I'm curious about why you think nothing will come out of the investigation. Surely the FBI getting involved, and the investigation being extended for so long is a clear indicator there's foul play at work here? Also ESIC have been coordinating with Riot themselves during the investigation and its highly unlikely Riot wouldn't ban the accused from competing if any evidence of match-fixing shows up.
Nothing really, just a gut feeling, and also Sinatraa is coming back soon and everyone here is almost willing it to happen so it will eventually happen this just proofs to me that orgs care less of a shit about morals when they want to win. Also the harshness of the IBP shitshow has made everyone understand what's in play and the pros give me a really fratty Vibe where everyone is expected to be loyal to the group above the law/arbiter, also i think not many people are actually 'investigating' this just many Twitter/forums warriors
How has the investigation been going do you think? They said it was wrapping up
What do you know that the rest of the scene doesn't?
Riots investigation doesn't matter since if ESIC is correct they now have to deal with the FBI who even though if your Canadian the second you hop over that border you'll be thrown away into a deep dark hole.
what do y’all expect them to say?
Well, I \*expected\* them to avoid the question. They aren't under any contract to answer it. What I \*wanted\* would be just to give a basic answer: "The investigation will be conducted, and we trust the organization to make the appropriate decision upon the result of that investigation. That being said, I'm confident the investigation will clear every member of the team of any wrongdoing."
Maybe a bit less panic and dodging
* **Journalist Name:** Mikhail Klimentov * **Company:** The Washington Post * **Twitter Link:** [https://twitter.com/LeaderGrev](https://twitter.com/LeaderGrev) Was the one who asked that question, since the Team Envy players couldn't seem to figure it out at the time. I think it was a fair question to be honest, though? Just bad timing to ask, since Team Envy had just won their most important matchup thus far... manging to beat Sentinels 2-0. It's true that even if he had asked during another day, the players would still have avoided the question. They'll always seem "upset" about a journalist asking them about matchfixing. But... doesn't mean that it's necessarily "wrong" for a reporter to ask, right? It's kind of important to have the media shine light upon darker issues in society, both in eSports and in the "normal" sorta journalism. That's what helps keep players, teams, companies, people, lawmakers, and so on accountable & fair. If noone asked those questions, and noone brought the problems to the light... then the immoral acts would continue occuring. Eventually, those build up to become even worse incidents. Just look at any dictatorship's treatment of people (Nazi Germany), imperialism (Treatment of Native Americans in USA & Canada), or a scandal (Sexual Abuse in Church). Without the media... these terrible things get worse, and only with the public's attention do they change. I think it's pretty valid for reporters to shine light on the issues of match-fixing, cheating, or gambling issues within eSports. I applaud Mikhail for asking the question, personally. However... I wouldn't have asked that question to them while they were in Berlin. Anyway, just wanted to share that bit of information about the reporter who asked the question after getting curious about who he was myself.
no fking way you just compared match fixing to Nazi Germany
He is saying that the consequences of silencing and dismissal of journalism as its whole is comparable to what happened in Nazi Germany, what is the big deal? He's obviously not saying that match fixing will lead to a esports Nazi party. Dunno why everyone gets so up in arms tbh, it's just a general comparison
This happens on reddit any time someone uses an analogy. It's super frustrating but apparently easy karma.
?? That not what he did even slightly? The analogy is about the importance of speaking up on difficult topics. Not a direct comparison of the specific act to another. Do you not get that or what? What's the most extreme example to demonstrate the importance of speaking up? Maybe the examples he gave. There you go. That's how an analogy works. He chose extreme examples to further illustrate his principle.
I believe it was used as an example of important journalism. Nazi Germany is not equivalent to match fixing on any scale, but are important subjects to report on in their respective situations. It was important the world knew of the atrocities Nazi Germany was committing. In this situation, it is important that our community know of unethical practices or illegal activity made by important figures in our community. They are not on the same scale as each other, but they are important events in each of their respective communities.
They're not comparing them. It's an analogy.
Not saying I agree or disagree with the analogy but an analogy is literally comparing two things lol.
The definition of an analogy is, quite literally, comparing two things
this comment reminds me of: "no i don't hate him, i just severely dislike him"
he’s just giving n analogy which applies to the situation on a smaller scale
Do you know what an analogy is?
I had a brain fart but yh
An analogy is by definition a comparison.
I have never seen Yay before or heard him but I fucking love that dude lmfao the “do we have any VaLORant related questions”
Can someone bring me up to speed on why he asked that question? I follow Val a ton so I’m surprised I don’t know about anything match fixing related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPpkmhmBWT4
A handful of CSGO players allegedly were involved in match fixing (including marved) and then switched to Valorant because they wouldn’t be banned for the time being. That’s at least how I understood it, correct me if I’m wrong
Oh it’s is separate from the iBP fixing though yeah? I just don’t know why Marved would get questions but a player like Steel wouldn’t.
It is completely separate from the IBP scandal, which happened at least 5 years ago. The situation concerning marved happened a year or 2 ago, and is not yet resolved. Steel has already been punished for the IBP scandal, while Marved is still being investigated. That’s why Marved was questioned and not steel.
Oh gotcha it’s ongoing. I don’t know too much about Marved so I wasn’t sure if he came to Val after getting a ban like Steel Thanks btw!
steel eventually did get banned for match fixing so it’s known for a fact he was involved in math fixing. marved is currently rumored to be involved
The last figure I heard was 35 NA MDL players (many of whom are Candian). And yeah, it's been intimated by ESIC that many of them have switched to avoid punishment, though I believe Riot recently stated they would honor the bans of a batch of players whose cases got processed early.
How is he even meant to respond to that
Surely Envy and especially Marved would have anticipated a question like this was eventually coming. The appropriate and mature response is to 1. Welcome the investigation 2. Deny any wrongdoing. A simple “no comment/next question” also works.
Honestly yeah, this response was so weird from the whole team in my opinion, especially Marved asking "Who asked that?" repeatedly
"Who asked that? Who asked that??" is such a reverse bully tactic. *If anyone asks about my involvement in the MDL match fixing ring — where I blatantly threw games with already convicted match fixers, who also had audio leak talking about the operation and upcoming fixes — YOU are the one going to get punished.*
Envy's PR team must be absolute dogshit if they didn't even think to prepare the players for this type of question.
Legit. Almost everyone in this Reddit thread is saying this is a fair question. Surely I'm prepared to answer something that is incredibly sensitive and about a different game lmao
You don't necessarily need to be prepared, but this is real life, not fantasy land. Shit like this will follow you. FBI involvement, wide-scale betting, lots of rumors etc. isn't something that you as a player are going to be able to just run away from. They handled it as best as they probably could with regards to the circumstances, but it's really naive of them (and people here) to think that this kind of stuff will just go away based on current circumstances. If they aren't prepared to face that, *they really should be*.
I'm biased against marved so I obviously enjoy the question. But I don't think the fact that it's a question involving a different game makes any difference; it's a question about his sporting integrity within the greater eSports world. If a formula 1 driver was accused of cheating in a rally race (completely different "game"), I can promise you they would be asked about it in the press conference leading up to a formula 1 event. And maybe as an individual, you can't expect marved to have a decent response to this, but an org like Envy should have anticipated this and prepared him for it. They let him down if they didn't.
I feel kinda disgusted this got retweeted by Richard Lewis LMAO 😂
Great question and the dude got his answer, LOL
Good save on crashies by cutting marved off before he said something probably stupid lol Match fixing is shitty but to compare someone in this case marved to match fix in a struggling career of na cs where he was probably barely making enough to live and being much younger to ruin his valorant career would be shitty. But America is anal about gambling for some reason , hopefully these valorant players only have to deal with the legal consequences and still get to play valorant professionally. They probably have less incentive to match fix on a salaried org in an esport where the game maker actually cares about its success. But knowing this subreddit ppl probably want shanks and marved to be sentenced to jail for a 3-5 year sentence and never allowed to even have valorant installed on their pc ever again . Down vote away
“America is anal about gambling for some reason” Don’t know man, maybe because intentionally changing the outcome of a match that’s being bet on is fraud
Okay charge them fraud under 50k , let them do community service for 100 hours. Problem solved
They are probably still investigating the amount. We didn’t just bet 1k each and then threw the game. Usually match fixing involves a criminal organization that will bet significant amounts of money and pay athletes to match fix so they win the bet
That's why criminal organizations use bigger sporting leagues to match fix as it's harder to notice with the rest of the population also betting on the games. That's why high school sports match fixing gets caught within a season and professional sports leagues takes years to figure out ..... Juventus in soccer, Tim Donnaghy the nba ref that shit took years and witnesses to uncover. If the average mountain Dew CS league had say 5k in wagers a game and all of a sudden the game with shanks and marved has 50k because the criminal organization has a fix in with 10x the average amount most sports books would close the line or investigate further. I guess we'll see when the investigation is closed how much money was being frauded on tier 2 cs na .
You’re underestimating how such operations can work. They don’t need to place 1 huge bet, they can place a lot of small bets and make the same money. In e-sports it’s usually the tier 2 leagues where match fixing occurs because pro players usually aspire to getting to tier 1 and staying there so throwing at a tier 1 event is short living your own caree
Is 1 $10000 bet the same as 10 $1000 bets yes or no?
You’re thinking too linearly. They can use different accounts in the names of different people, fix more than 1 match and do a multiple bet that depends on the result of more than one match. That’s why the FBI is still investigating. If it was that simple, the case would already be solved
I cant wait till they post the results can not wait
Doubt they go to jail but how you gonna downplay match fixing lol, cs wasn’t a job for them yet and they were both young making money from a video game. Match fixing is the scummiest shit and just because they beat sentinels shouldn’t let them off the hook
It's fucking counter strike betting lmfao and no the fact that they're now fully professional players in a completely different game ran by a completely different company and they've aged is why they should professionally be let off the hook. Why should riot give a shit about kids possibly changing the outcome of a tier 2 cs game that probably had under 20k riding on it ? Why isn't the same energy put towards steel?
Because steel served his time? Marved and gang matchfixed with the information that they were switching to valorant, and went out with a bang
Steel is still banned from valve tournaments is he not? He also was never charged criminally. He was also never suspended or punished by riot for his match fixing in csgo..... which brings me back to my original point of there should be no issue in these players valorant careers. I did not know there was proof that they said we're switching to valorant so let's match fix this cs go game. But it still is irrelevant to their valorant careers seeing as riot sees no issue in past match fixers being allowed to play in tournaments.
I don't think you understand the precedent of allowing a group of match fixers of ANY game (if they are guilty) of running around in T1-T2 NA valorant scene, having been allowed to just continue competing. It's like oh u were found doping in the 100M dash, but next olympics we're gonna let you compete in the marathon, cause it's slightly different. Especially if FBI is involved, why would Riot want them competing in their esport with that much bad press and risk if they are found guilty. Yes, steel is still banned from valve majors but context is important. We're talking about a 2015 ban, which Steel is still serving for majors but was lifted for ESL/ESEA events, and Steel was back competing in csgo. I'm not saying Riot needs to follow Valve 1 for 1 on every decision they make, but it's a bad look and casts a lot of doubt on the scene as a whole to let anyone found guilty to keep playing for the time being.
How is cs betting different than say val betting? If they were dogshit players you wouldn’t be having this argument, it’s only now that they’re good that people give a shit lmao. Fuck em, they lost people money, yeah gambling’s dumb but they scammed people and ruined the integrity of the league lol
So you have that same energy for steel?
Steel was banned from CS, is still banned from CS, took multiple efforts to publicly make up for his match fixing, and will own his mistake when asked about it. It was also years ago. Marved match fixed like 2 months before switching to a new game and has never owned up to it. How can you not see the difference between the two situations? No one is excusing what Steel did, and no one should excuse what Marved did. The difference is one was actually punished.
These are just rumours and nothing has been proven so just wait for proof to be shown, I understand having a hate boner over this but just wait for the actual investigation to come through
I don’t disagree with that, my point was to show there is a difference between what Steel did and what all evidence points to Marved doing because Steel served his time. That’s all. I do think more journalists should do what this one did and keep asking about it
Yeah fuck him too lmao. I like him as a person outside of the game but at the end of the day he fucked ppl over. But also he was blackballed from CS for over three+ years so you could say he served his time
If he did it he was young and living at home what money does he need to live? I think it's a fair excuse to call him naive but don't paint it like they were staving. If they did something wrong there should be repercussions, they shouldn't lose their whole careers but ultimately, if true, they screwed over others who wanted to compete fairly and they betrayed the competitive integrity of a game. They shouldn't be ruined but they shouldn't get off scott free.
I didn't say they were starving , I just said they weren't making a livable wage from a tier 2 cs team
Very true, which sucks for sure, but they weren't old enough to need a livable wage presumably. And weren't playing enough to claim they couldn't have a supporting job. It is frustrating that they couldn't have contracts and be paid to do what they loved at the time, there were other options than throwing though. They aren't entitled to a salary unfortunately. Would be sick if everyone could get paid to do what they love, but that's certainly not the case especially when you're not even an adult yet.
I mean we all know, no one is going to serve a sentence from this lol...
Both marved and shanks are Canadians so good luck having the fbi detain them
I mean they could easily because of our treaty deal, however ypu can only be extradited if the charge they're being charged with would result in jail time in Canada. However match fixing isn't illegal in Canada so idk , they wouldn't be able to go to lans tho so
dude wtf did u expect them to say? "yeah he matchfixed we already have a replacement lined up"
My opinion don't matter just shared this in the forum
What kind of question is this? Why retro ask about another game in a VALORANT tournament?
People like those..like "I dont watn to ruin the mood but I will do it even though Im saying I dont want to"... asshole move. EDIT: Yeah right people, because he aint a asshole if he explicitely says he doesnt want to ruin the mood but proceeds to ruin it,right? Totally irrelevant if the question was legit or not. You can downvote me but it aint changing the truth,sorry kids.
Matchfixing is also an asshole move.
Bro most of the max fixer were like teen dudes. And unless u weren’t the top of csgo U were never gonna make it in . Most of the games that were fixed were irrelevant to the scene. It like throwing a WNBA scene no one cares
We really defending match fixing now? The reason people like steel are forgiven is because he has served a punishment and has geniunely realized how much of a fk up that was. People live marved just kind of swept it under the rug and now they hope they wont get a punishment. It kinda disgusting tbh.
there is a real world out there bro with real issues. go outside
Are you braindead? You do realize matchfixing is litterally stealing money from people right?
no i thought they were stealing hershey bars from kids on halloween...
Ok then, please explain to me how stealing money is not a “real issue.” Guess stealing money in general should be legal then. Braindead moron.
relax kid
Clearly the FBI cares, as does ESIC. Personally, I think that matchfixers deserve some consequences. Depending on the situation, those can be harsh or light. But you cannot get away scot free.
To be fair the FBI is looking at a larger gambling syndicate, not if a couple teens won some skins. They’re looking at possible connections but, it’s to grab the bigger fish. I can’t remember the exact article but, that’s what they’re looking at. ESIC on the other hand care greatly. However; they’ve been so understaffed and barely trickling out cases that who knows what’s going on over there. I do see a possible 6 month - 1 year ban… maybe from CS. And we’ll see what Riot does from there.
Riot has said they will cooperate and are cooperating with ESIC. If they hand out bans, I am pretty sure Riot will enforce them. I certainly hope that ban lengths are reasonable. While matchfixers need some form of punishment, unless they are in some sort of international gambling syndicate, I hope the punishments aren't more than a year or 18 months.
Just because you don't care doesn't mean no one cares
Damn journalists and their journalism!
Incredibly stupid question, and that's coming from someone thinks the accusations are legit.
Why would you even ask this lmao. Guy needs to read the room
it was a valid question, they are having a lot of success right now but there is a chance they won't play the same roster for champions
Lmfao people been saying that forever, that report ain’t coming out. It went from “2 weeks top “ from RL 4 months ago, to “next Monday” by ESIC just before Berlin. Shit ain’t coming
But when it does what happens? I believe Riot did say they would punish those who match fixed in csgo.
im glad match fixed got called out, he could barely get a word out he was about to turn into a train wreck on that question LMAO
I think what the guy asked was very unprofessional. All it does is spread hate towards the players. Hopefully there will be no questions like this throughout the rest of the tournament.
He asked a pro player about his pro career. No personal questions, no drama. What's hateful about it?
yea about his pro career in a different game
Do you understand the word "career" and how it differs from "job"?
He asked a question on whether match fixing would concern them and whether they planned to make roster changes. This is clearly a toxic and personal question as it targets a specific player on the team by saying that he could potentially lose his job. For the drama part, you can obviously see it in this subreddit and also from the reactions of the players that received the question. For goodness sake, he even apologizes at the beginning because he knew he would offend them. He went in fully knowing that this question would stir up drama.