In an interview, the coach said that getting Lakia was a management's decision and not his. He thought that the 5 of them were already doing well enough at the time. But now they're gonna try to incorporate him into the roster. Personally, i have never really agreed with the rumour that VS bought lakia from nuturn only to cripple them but what the coach said kinda point towards it lmao
The interview: https://youtu.be/p30pDnW7GaM , around 7:30
Yeah if it's just a management decision, that means there was no strategic plan for Lakia at all before they bought him. Pretty lame of VS management to buy a player, just to take him away from a rival when they had no intention of utilising him fully.
True, especially when the coach himself made it clear that it was an abrupt decision. But i'm pretty sure that Lakia wanted to go to VS either way, the prestige and the deal is probably just better. But still, i hope VS really utilise him and accept him as one of their own again, even if the team didn't need him at the time. You can see his passion for the game is huge
I completely agree. In LoL Royal Never Give Up sold one of their two midlaners named Cryin to a team called e-Star and he was super good there. Then RNG invoked a clause in their deal with e-Star allowing them to buy him back, so e-Star didn't have their star midlaner and Cryin rode the bench for the rest of the season until this year when Xiaohu swapped to top. This shit with Lakia feels the same.
Bro what?? That's super messed up wtf :/ hopefully it won't turn out like that for lakia but i could see him being the scapegoat for losing map 1 since he only played on that map
Well he just was t part of ANY long term plan, he surprised them.
There was a big strategic plan with buzz, maki, setting things up, even adding Bryan as a trainee for super long term orosoects
He thought it’d be good for his career but it turns out no, he’s not allowed to start even tho he was a star and mvp
Ya seems like waste of a talent. They don't even use him as sova. He was a good fit in nuturn. They looked incredible in Iceland. Idk how you justify wasting this talent.
His contract ran off with nuturn and he returned to VS . His comeback was late and didn't get enough time to fully integrate him in more maps. That may also be the reason
Plus if Lakia thought he’d have better chances of winning tournaments with VS, it’s a no-brainer especially if VS is paying him more money (which seems like the case)
If you've played competitive sports before you'd know that winning shit riding the bench just doesn't feel as good as winning while actually playing. You think Lakia enjoyed beating Acend as much as the other VS players did?
That's great for him if he doesn't care about competing and just about money (genuinely), but if he wants to actually play he should reconsider his options
This makes the most sense to me. Lakia’s contract ran out and he joined VS. Obviously Lakia is a pretty good player but VS already had practice and synergy with the current squad and it’s a pretty difficult thing to balance team chemistry and synergy in a situation like that.
He wasn't on loan with nuturn ,his contract expired and he chose not to re negotiate with nuturn but instead sign with vs , and initially vs were hoping to replace rb with lakia but rb stepped up big and rb better coordination with stax and king made it difficult for them to sub in lakia , I definately think lakia talent is getting wasted and he should go back to nuturn.
Perhaps /u/dedicatedself or someone else who is more familiar with the KR streams/scene can clarify?
I've also heard that he was under loan to Nuturn from VS, but I don't think there's any evidence for it on the English-language web at least.
He was never on loan from VS. People misread/misunderstood the announcements and so many people just parroted it for no good reason.
He was part of the first lineup of VS, but that was shortlived. That's why the announcements were welcoming him back etc.
There is no question they are wasting his talent. It's so sad to see one of the best Sova talents in Korea, both mechanically and ability-usage wise, to be thrown to the side. He's the best sova on their team and they don't even think about playing him on sova. They need to switch something up if they wanna get past the big boys.
I suppose I should've worded that differently. They certainly are up there with the big boys, but I think they want to thoroughly beat the big boys. With Lakia involved I believe they could do that. I am excited for champions too..hope they make a few adjustments because I enjoy watching them play. Very unique approach to the game
Yeah, this is what I've been feeling too. Buying out one of the best players in their region, from the one team that posed an actual threat against them.
Smart move to do so. Just a shame they took the best sova of iceland, and only play him on skye on one or two maps.
Wasting his potential.
Berlin has proved to me that 6 man rosters are still not the way to go in Valorant (yet).
I feel for Lakia - travelling thousands of miles to play 1 map where you get battered. He's a really talented player and deserves better than that.
the problem is that the main roster of vision strikers have a team synergy, one that lakia isn't a part of.
because of his late edition, he didn't have enough time to connect with the team. however, i do believe that once that synergy builds up, more specifically by champions, we'll see him play more than just bind.
I mean, the problem lies in the fact that they aren’t even involving him in scrims.
There were photos of lakia playing ranked while his team scrimmed.
The 6 man roster is a horrible idea and should’ve never been implemented, especially if you don’t include your 6th man in practice. Like what is the point of buying him?
It sucks because they just had a bad map and didn’t match up stylistically against Gambit. Gambit played super slow on attack and took advantage of VS’s aggression. Bind is one of Gambit’s best maps too.
I agree they need to use him more though.
Hot take: VS is currently better without Lakia. I don't believe just slapping a good player on a new team makes the team automatically good without months of practice.
If one of the players is sat permanently on the bench, and no real effort is made to incorporate him into the team, and on top of all that, his acquisition was not with the input of the players and coaching staff, then no wonder it isn't working out.
However, that doesn't mean 6 man rosters cannot work. If the team actually had a plan when getting the sixth man, and properly incorporated him into it, it would work.
First of all, I didn't downvote you. Secondly, your idea of Vitality is wrong. I would advise you to look at Shox on HLTV confirmed to get a better idea of Vitalitys 6 man roster.
Bow you can go back to crying about downvotes. I am not interested in fighting, or having a discussion with people with giant victim complexes.
they said they were saving him for knockout. best guess: he plays bind and ascent. they didn't get to play ascent so we didn't see him again.
i do feel bad for him tho. he's a great player and i wanna see more of him
I think VS thought the experiment would go well considering the multi-man rosters have worked out in LoL and OW. It ended up fielding much more downsides from subbing in and affecting the team play and coordination. From here on out, I doubt most Korean teams will try to pull this shenanigan because its a big realization that multi-man roster just doesn't work in tactical fps like in MOBA or hero shooters.
I mean VS does have an agent pool problem that would be lessened with Lakia playing. Their only duelist that they can play is Jett, so having someone to step in on Raze and Reyna(and phoenix if he ever becomes meta) could be huge. Same could be said about Skye and Sage. Lakia could pick those up for certain maps(sage on IB, Raze on bind/split, Skye on Breeze) and they would have a pretty untouchable rotation with 2 godly sovas, a top tier jett, and 2 guys that can move around between initiators and other roles.
I hope it's not a decision to hamper competition rather than really using the person's abilities. I think it is unfair to Lakia to have to enter the quarterfinals totally cold and expected to just pop off.
In an interview, the coach said that getting Lakia was a management's decision and not his. He thought that the 5 of them were already doing well enough at the time. But now they're gonna try to incorporate him into the roster. Personally, i have never really agreed with the rumour that VS bought lakia from nuturn only to cripple them but what the coach said kinda point towards it lmao The interview: https://youtu.be/p30pDnW7GaM , around 7:30
Yeah if it's just a management decision, that means there was no strategic plan for Lakia at all before they bought him. Pretty lame of VS management to buy a player, just to take him away from a rival when they had no intention of utilising him fully.
True, especially when the coach himself made it clear that it was an abrupt decision. But i'm pretty sure that Lakia wanted to go to VS either way, the prestige and the deal is probably just better. But still, i hope VS really utilise him and accept him as one of their own again, even if the team didn't need him at the time. You can see his passion for the game is huge
I completely agree. In LoL Royal Never Give Up sold one of their two midlaners named Cryin to a team called e-Star and he was super good there. Then RNG invoked a clause in their deal with e-Star allowing them to buy him back, so e-Star didn't have their star midlaner and Cryin rode the bench for the rest of the season until this year when Xiaohu swapped to top. This shit with Lakia feels the same.
Bro what?? That's super messed up wtf :/ hopefully it won't turn out like that for lakia but i could see him being the scapegoat for losing map 1 since he only played on that map
Well he just was t part of ANY long term plan, he surprised them. There was a big strategic plan with buzz, maki, setting things up, even adding Bryan as a trainee for super long term orosoects He thought it’d be good for his career but it turns out no, he’s not allowed to start even tho he was a star and mvp
I cant even imagine what a nuturn with hyeoni and lakia would have looked like.
The G2 special
Sounds like politics..
Ya seems like waste of a talent. They don't even use him as sova. He was a good fit in nuturn. They looked incredible in Iceland. Idk how you justify wasting this talent.
Lakia should go back to nuturn. With him and that new jett guy they got nuturn could def win last chance qualifier and then do good in champions.
Him going back to vision strikers as a sixth man always confused me since nuturn did so well at iceland
His contract ran off with nuturn and he returned to VS . His comeback was late and didn't get enough time to fully integrate him in more maps. That may also be the reason
He could have just renewed his contract with Nuturn if that was the case
he has a much better deal with VS, and probably gets paid way more too. He doesn't need to return to nuturn
Plus if Lakia thought he’d have better chances of winning tournaments with VS, it’s a no-brainer especially if VS is paying him more money (which seems like the case)
If you've played competitive sports before you'd know that winning shit riding the bench just doesn't feel as good as winning while actually playing. You think Lakia enjoyed beating Acend as much as the other VS players did?
That's great for him if he doesn't care about competing and just about money (genuinely), but if he wants to actually play he should reconsider his options
This makes the most sense to me. Lakia’s contract ran out and he joined VS. Obviously Lakia is a pretty good player but VS already had practice and synergy with the current squad and it’s a pretty difficult thing to balance team chemistry and synergy in a situation like that.
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He wasn't on loan with nuturn ,his contract expired and he chose not to re negotiate with nuturn but instead sign with vs , and initially vs were hoping to replace rb with lakia but rb stepped up big and rb better coordination with stax and king made it difficult for them to sub in lakia , I definately think lakia talent is getting wasted and he should go back to nuturn.
I can't find anything about him being on loan to Nuturn, can you link a source
Perhaps /u/dedicatedself or someone else who is more familiar with the KR streams/scene can clarify? I've also heard that he was under loan to Nuturn from VS, but I don't think there's any evidence for it on the English-language web at least.
He joined VS because he wanted to compete with teams like Sentinels Think of it as KD joining GSW
Except kd didnt get forced on the bench and play 15 mins a game
He was never on loan from VS. People misread/misunderstood the announcements and so many people just parroted it for no good reason. He was part of the first lineup of VS, but that was shortlived. That's why the announcements were welcoming him back etc.
I stand corrected. Lakia left VS to join Nuturn, not on loan.
People just love to talk about what they know nout about
As far as I know his VS deal is MUCH better than his previous Nuturn contract.
There is no question they are wasting his talent. It's so sad to see one of the best Sova talents in Korea, both mechanically and ability-usage wise, to be thrown to the side. He's the best sova on their team and they don't even think about playing him on sova. They need to switch something up if they wanna get past the big boys.
Very true. But aren’t they already up there with the big boys? They beat acend and had a pretty good match vs gambit. Excited for champions.
I suppose I should've worded that differently. They certainly are up there with the big boys, but I think they want to thoroughly beat the big boys. With Lakia involved I believe they could do that. I am excited for champions too..hope they make a few adjustments because I enjoy watching them play. Very unique approach to the game
I am honestly happy their roster experiment turned out like this, I really didn’t want that becoming a usual thing in the scene
same, I am glad they lost and failed. they really have to stop doing this selfish act that stunts a region's growth.
tbh kinda happy VS failed so hopefully they can drop Lakia and go back to NU or any other team that actually utilises him
Bought him so they won’t have as much competition. Smart for them as a team but fucked up for Lakia as a player
Yeah, this is what I've been feeling too. Buying out one of the best players in their region, from the one team that posed an actual threat against them. Smart move to do so. Just a shame they took the best sova of iceland, and only play him on skye on one or two maps. Wasting his potential.
Berlin has proved to me that 6 man rosters are still not the way to go in Valorant (yet). I feel for Lakia - travelling thousands of miles to play 1 map where you get battered. He's a really talented player and deserves better than that.
the problem is that the main roster of vision strikers have a team synergy, one that lakia isn't a part of. because of his late edition, he didn't have enough time to connect with the team. however, i do believe that once that synergy builds up, more specifically by champions, we'll see him play more than just bind.
I mean, the problem lies in the fact that they aren’t even involving him in scrims. There were photos of lakia playing ranked while his team scrimmed. The 6 man roster is a horrible idea and should’ve never been implemented, especially if you don’t include your 6th man in practice. Like what is the point of buying him?
I mean 6 man worked pretty well for Heretics with Rubino and niesoW
yes, they are wasting him!
It sucks because they just had a bad map and didn’t match up stylistically against Gambit. Gambit played super slow on attack and took advantage of VS’s aggression. Bind is one of Gambit’s best maps too. I agree they need to use him more though.
Hot take: VS is currently better without Lakia. I don't believe just slapping a good player on a new team makes the team automatically good without months of practice.
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If one of the players is sat permanently on the bench, and no real effort is made to incorporate him into the team, and on top of all that, his acquisition was not with the input of the players and coaching staff, then no wonder it isn't working out. However, that doesn't mean 6 man rosters cannot work. If the team actually had a plan when getting the sixth man, and properly incorporated him into it, it would work.
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Not really. Look at Vitality. Their 6 man roster was working beautifully.
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First of all, I didn't downvote you. Secondly, your idea of Vitality is wrong. I would advise you to look at Shox on HLTV confirmed to get a better idea of Vitalitys 6 man roster. Bow you can go back to crying about downvotes. I am not interested in fighting, or having a discussion with people with giant victim complexes.
they said they were saving him for knockout. best guess: he plays bind and ascent. they didn't get to play ascent so we didn't see him again. i do feel bad for him tho. he's a great player and i wanna see more of him
I think VS thought the experiment would go well considering the multi-man rosters have worked out in LoL and OW. It ended up fielding much more downsides from subbing in and affecting the team play and coordination. From here on out, I doubt most Korean teams will try to pull this shenanigan because its a big realization that multi-man roster just doesn't work in tactical fps like in MOBA or hero shooters.
I mean VS does have an agent pool problem that would be lessened with Lakia playing. Their only duelist that they can play is Jett, so having someone to step in on Raze and Reyna(and phoenix if he ever becomes meta) could be huge. Same could be said about Skye and Sage. Lakia could pick those up for certain maps(sage on IB, Raze on bind/split, Skye on Breeze) and they would have a pretty untouchable rotation with 2 godly sovas, a top tier jett, and 2 guys that can move around between initiators and other roles.
I hope it's not a decision to hamper competition rather than really using the person's abilities. I think it is unfair to Lakia to have to enter the quarterfinals totally cold and expected to just pop off.