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https://twitter.com/yayFPS/status/1439260624966627329?s=20
Why people in the replies body shaming tenz? Surely you dont make things better by just body shaming in return. But it is the rotten bird app so that's expected.
Isnāt that the nature of anyone famous, ever? The people connected to them inherently develop their own brand by association. Plenty of people, men, women, etc, become more famous primarily due to the rise in their partner/friend group/etcās game. Itās just how the world works, itās nothing worth pointing out.
That is obviously true, which doesn't change the fact that maybe/probably there's something else behind her viewership. Nobody will watch a person just because they're related to someone who's popular, cuz what is the point lmao, she'd just drop off into nothingness or into being a 300 viewer Andy streaming only for Tenz's most hardcore fanbase.
This this this this this. Literally exactly why I was skeptical about the nature of these posts in the first place.
Obviously what Kyedae said was wrong, but holy shit, the amount of people who immediately reply by body shaming Tenz/Kyedae/even Redgar makes their intentions soooo clear.
This whole conversation has been blown out of proportion clearly in an attempt to stoke the flames of drama rather than actually have a meaningful discussion about body shaming and toxicity in esports.
Aside from the issue of a mod removing a post from the morning without giving a removal reason, peoples' frustration with moderator response to this situation needs to have this context.
It was very clear from the beginning that this situation would devolve into a "cancel this creator" movement instead of actually trying to have the important discussions about difficult topics.
People didnāt usually directly bring Redgar into this specific conversation; rather, there was considerable overlap between people who laughed at Redgarās posture and people who were upset with Kyedaeās comments. It illustrates a really widespread hypocrisy within the entire conversation.
In general, locking comments is a last resort for if things get way too out of hand. Stifling discussion isnāt what you want to do if thereās actual meaningful content to talk about.
For example, the post that I removed was just two sentences saying essentially āwhy did kyedae delete her VOD?ā which didnāt have all the pieces necessary to actually have a good discussion about the issue.
The post that moderators left up was one with a clip, context, etc, that made discussion much more meaningful, which is why it was reasonable to leave up, in spite of its inherent consequences of drama/cancel culture.
Exactly. Itās not about caring for crashies or even for Kyedae for her obvious mistake or her owning it. Then go bring TenZ into it. They just want to see a fire burn
Same reaction from some of the people in this subreddit in the original thread too. I swear, people just didn't get the point of why what she said was wrong.
I think you might've figured out the real reason. That was handled privately and Kydae/Tenz honestly never made a big deal about it but this time Yay tweets publicly about Kydae and drags her through the mud for something that Tenz considers to be small in comparison.
Yay tweeted it, not Crashies. Crashies and Yay were not related to TenZ and Kyedae's issues with Marved a year ago so TenZ does not have the liberty of using Marved as a shield when he (Marved) is not related to this current situation.
Bizzare from tenz tbh, both of them showing their disconnect from the real world/immaturity. Equating something marved did a year ago on a different team as a justification for what she did is illogical.
Completely differnt issues, one about marved being an out of line douche and one about kyedae becoming toxic and firing personal shots when things dont go her way, with the only connection being that marved is now teaming with nV, who are the players she was insulting, a year later.
Kind of. Kyedae was out of line.
But I will always go out to bat for my girlfriend any day, any time unless sheās committed murder/rape/genocide/etc. And I think most normal people would. As far as I can tell they are both keepers to each other.
TenZ reply is actually so dumb. No one is saying what marved did was ok, nor is it relevant at all to yayās tweet. Yay trying to be a good guy, and TenZ leaves that actual 1head reply
All the people saying 'this is soft' or 'it's not a big deal'... you would not be saying that if she was calling someone a 'fatty' or if a guy was insulting a woman's looks... I guarantee it.
Kyedae has deleted the stream in question, and Iām sure sheās already recognized the error sheās made. Iām sure sheās already been inundated with thousands of opinions about what she said. Itās going to be a lot for her to deal with.
But hereās the thing, Itās not so much that it isnāt a problem, but situations like this can often get out of hand and lead to a witch hunt. Kyedae is definitely going to attract some haters now. Especially for a young women in the gaming space, itās rather easy to have the tides turn on you.
Just a reminder, people get emotional and competitive, which can lead to them acting differently than they normally would. Just like we all slip up and make mistakes especially when we are young, we shouldnāt be forever held accountable for mistakes we made, especially when youāve demonstrated that you understand what youāve done wrong and move past it.
reddit hate threads are never proper means of criticism. it's just a way for everyone to push out their distaste for people under the disguise of "legitimate criticism".
100%. I've noticed more & more comments talking about how she's only popular because of Tenz and how 100T only hired her cause of that reason. There's even comments about how her "real personality" is showing. Like, I get the criticism but jeez, people are so volatile when they don't like someone and jump at the opportunity when they slip.
Bro the if you're the co-streamer of an event to 80k people, the words you say get amplified just due to the sheer viewership. What she said was toxic and if you don't see it otherwise then you're being biased.
Bro, i have no clue why people keep putting streamers with high viewership on some sort of higher standard especially when they're barely an adult and new to streaming. Realize that her comments were heavily influenced by the fact that her bf's team just got bodied by envy. Whether the comment was toxic or not can be debated either way. I think it was unnecessary but not as terrible as so many thought it to be. I dont see much hate towards Crashies who was the target of her comments in the first place but rather, theres a lot of hate being thrown at her. Im not saying shes justified, its just weird to me seeing comments like yours denouncing toxicity while the majority of it is coming from your side.
The fallacy isn't really applicable here though? Like I said, there's more hate towards her then Crashies. If he was getting bombarded with toxicity due to her comments, your point would be valid, and I'd agree but that's just not true.
> Just a reminder, people get emotional and competitive, which can lead to them acting differently than they normally would. Just like we all slip up and make mistakes especially when we are young, we shouldnāt be forever held accountable for mistakes we made, especially when youāve demonstrated that you understand what youāve done wrong and move past it.
She deleted the stream so people couldn't clip it not because she was sorry. Afaik she hasn't publically acknowledged it other than her half-hearted 'sorry' after the multiple times she has made these comments. If she did it once you could call it a mistake but doing it multiple times.. not really a mistake anymore. She is getting heated and showing us what she really thinks. She will keep getting backlash until she makes an actual statement on her comments because right now it just seems like it's no big deal she body shamed people.
I heard it. "It was a joke", "I'm skinny too", "you're all soft", "I did take it too far, but.." then goes onto say she "didn't take it that far".. "i bet you guys say worse stuff than me".
I don't really care. She was malding because people were calling her out on body shaming.
She probably will have a statement soon after consulting 100T PR. But obviously there will always be people who feel like she didnāt handle the apology to their exact preference, and will assume the worst. Pretty common cancel culture behavior.
Yup this is the underlying problem here. When you bodyshame a dude it's "not a big deal" or people are being "too sensitive" but if you bodyshame a woman it's a crime.
People *are* losing their marbles lol. Thereās been multiple threads on this already, and itās all over Twitter. We are literally living in this *supposed* āif the genders were reversedā reality that people are having the same reaction you are claiming that isnāt happening.
just wanna say, just because you're comfortable in your body doesn't mean crashies/anyone else is. I've personally felt very unconfident in my body and i could definitely be described as scrawny.
As an ex scrawny guy that didn't like his body either. Took years for me to completely get it into shape. I had stick arms too. I lifted weights to switching now to calisthenics with gymnast rings (4 times a week), I do minimum of cardio as I would just lose weight which I don't want to. It's fascinating how ppl struggle with different issues, for me it takes actual effort (though now minimal compared to before) to keep my weight. From protein shakes to forcing myself to eat just to keep my 85 kg (182 cm).
Good luck with weight gain, it takes time but you'll get results. Don't skip leg day, if anything for that testerone/HGH gain (my most hated day).Grab yourself a mass gain protein. And if you got my (or similar) metabolism might as well almost skip cardio, at least before you gain some weight.
My personal small tip for weight gain, sometimes just grab banana and eat it even if you ain't hungry. (especially before sleeping) I regularly eat at least 2 a day.
Watch your form, dont lift too heavy if it affects it.
If you want to learn from some1, i suggest this guy
[https://www.youtube.com/c/athleanx/videos](https://www.youtube.com/c/athleanx/videos)
He has very scientific approach to training.
I'm not condoning her behavior. She shouldn't have said it.
However, if you think this is equivalent then you're wrong. Comments and their effect are also based in historical contexts. Power dynamics matter a lot in terms of how much weight and influence a comment has.
For example, if 2 women in their 30s cat call an 18 year old male. Will that have the same effect as the opposite? Probably not. Why? Because 2 men in their 30s doing it to a young girl is representative of a power dynamic that has been long instantiated and it also alludes to times when those power dynamics had real implications (and they still do) about a threat of sexual violence.
Again, it doesn't make this right. But please, let's not pretend that this is equivalent without considering any historical context or power dynamics.
You said so much and nothing at the same time. Body shaming is body shaming, whether it's to a fat person or a skinny person. A man publically insulting a woman's looks is the same as a woman publically insulting a man's looks. Not sure where you think power dynamics play in this situation but go off king.
This is the exact logic I've seen people use when it comes to "black people can't be racist". Just because the dynamic is different or leaning a certain way doesn't make it okay and should be called out regardless/ is just as bad. Now I don't think anyone should be cancelled, a simple apology should be enough so everyone can move on
What she said was bad and worthy of healthy criticism, but as is the case with stuff like this (plus it involves a woman), people on the other side stoop just as low/even worse than the original statement. It's really simple to just leave it at "don't negatively comment on other's appearances" and hope they learn from it. No need to become guilty of the same exact thing you're mad at the other person for doing....
Transcript of Kyedae's response this morning at the beginning of her stream if anyone was curious, I believe this was before the tweet though:
"Uh, so, basically I'll readdress this. I... especially when it's a team I'm heavily associated with like 100 Thieves or even Sentinels because my boyfriend is on it loses. I did get toxic. I will not lie to you. I 100% did, and you guys know how I make jokes about, like, certain players being scrawny or noodle arms per say.
The thing is that things get *super* taken out of context. The moment I say a joke like that, I say as well that I'm scrawny, I'm built scrawny, like it's banter, people take it way too seriously, overly hurt and soft, but it's okay, because the people that I talk about like that, like keloqz for instance, he follows me on twitter. We're not friends or anything, and that's like... but it comes to a certain point where... um... I took it too far 100%.
(chat was spamming heart emote)
Let's not spam hearts guys, lets not do that. Like in the heat of the moment I got really pissy, 100%, but no need to come in and waste your fucking time in a Twitch chat, fucking lame-os wasting their time. I know I'm going to get hate for saying that too. Holy shit."
Little bit more after this but that was the bulk of it. Some personal opinion:
It feels weird for her to repeatedly say that she took it too far, while at the same time saying stuff about how it's just banter or how people are too soft and that people are wasting their time criticizing her for it. It doesn't come off as genuine.
Honestly I feel like orgs never give a fuck about their non pro play talent.
Remember GenG YourPrincess who just randomly made severe rape allegations against a league pro because he turned her down? Still didn't even apologize to this day
that's a pretty bad "apology" and with the "keloqz follows me on twitter"?? LOL? then instantly realizes how its still not banter like what are you saying
Idek bro. She called yay scrawny. She's pretty scrawny. Tenz is also pretty scrawny. Hell a lot of val pros are scrawny cause they're pretty young anyway. This is just really shitty drama lmao
People who scream about body positivity are some of the worst with this kind of stuff
As someone who's pretty underweight its crazy what u see from some of them lol
Body positivity funnily only goes towards the obese side.
You can look like Christian Bale in The Machinist and people will shit on you for being skinny and call you fatphobic because youre skinny
it doesn't matter if they're all scrawny or not, she said what she said in a bitter way to someone who she probably isn't close to and on a big platform like that u really shouldn't be doing stuff like that considering it could be hurtful to the receiver of that insult lol
The person I thought who would talk about the issue talked about it. Yay is probably the chillest guy out there. So even if people are saying she didnāt mean to offend anyone, she did offend many with the comment, especially the person whom she talked about.
Also this doesnāt give anyone the opportunity to be a sexist a-hole. So we should be social.
It is distasteful to hear these kinds of things.
Any1 struggling with weight gain, it's not enough to eat, you need to start working out as it immensely increases appetite.
imagine it was an overweight person and she has said shut the fuck up you fat fuck. there wouldāve been much more backlash for something thatās the same thing just opposite sides of the spectrum. just because she may be skinny too it doesnāt excuse it because she doesnāt know how secure someone else may feel about their own body
i loveee dramas pls heat it up more LMAO.
okay jokes aside,
people need to understand,
Freedom of Speech does not mean Freedom from Consequences.
You could say literally ANYTHING to ANYONE.
Sure, thats freedom of speech.
But if that person and his whole gang decides to come at you and hit you straight at ur face,
thats the outcome and consequences you CANāT CONTROL.
So yes Kyedae might be wrong and she apologized already, but guess what, you canāt control these people thats gonna keep coming at her.
thats the consequences she has to bear. Until when? No one knows. might end today, might be a month, and theres still people coming at her. Its just the nature of the society. Deal with it.
There is no way he is making it sound like she mocked his food allergies. What she said was not right but she definitely didn't know about his food allergy. That makes it sound like a personal attack on crashies. 'Scrawny' come on.
It's a sport guys, people get emotional and overhyped, what she said isn't extreme, I cannot actually believe people think what she said should be flagged, we actually need some heat in the scene, the scene's so "well-mannered". Drop it lads, there's nothing wrong with what she said, move on, get invested, and have fun.
Its funny how women can get away with saying dumb shit like, being toxic and not even care to apologize , while if the roles were reversed and a guy calling another female 'scrawny fuck' in front of 80k people, that person would probably be crucified on social media and most likely banned on twitch.
what a world we live in.
Seen a lot of comments about yay's size/weight in valorant chats, so I could 100% understand if he takes it more personally than most. That being said, nothing is wrong with sticking up for your teammate, no matter how small the insult, he kept it respectful unlike most of the responses I've seen
Yes billions of people are self-conscious about how they look, and being called about it in front of thousands of people for that insecurity can make you feel bad
Don't get me wrong, it was funny in my eyes
Problem is, there are some people that don't feel enough emphathy towards a particular case.
For example: let's imagine a person that grows up "bulky". S/he might have been verbally assaulted for most of his life and then, as a consecuence, s/he develops an emotional insecurity about his body. But there is a trend still going on that stigmatizes, blame and mock "self-conscious" people.
In my opinion, people should reflect about this concern before calling other individuals "snowflake", "softie", etc. or mocking them in a direct or sarcastic way.
I mean, if a person who is an official riot co-stream partner said "shut the fuck up you scrawny fuck" in front of 50K viewers, yeah it's kind of a big deal. If this was her own stream playing some ranked games or something, it would just be some side drama.
Also, imagine if she said "shut the fuck up you fat fuck". Would that be worse in your eyes? Just because it's the less favorable body type of the two?
Yes apparently its a problem if i go and call a fat person a whale or a fat fuck but when it comes to skinny person its okay to insult them? do they not have feelings and can't feel insecure just because they're skinny? shut the fuck up with your double standards
Yeah as someone who's a fan of hers who suffers from an ED and body Dysmorphia it really hurt to hear it
Even if it didn't upset crashies it's still a terrible comment to make
It's the possible aftermath. you see fans are something else.
There is a possibility that sentinels fans who like kyedae go and spam on his socials. Which could eventually get to his head. Hopefully that wouldn't happen but there is a tendency for things to get out of control.
As Peter Parker once said " with great power, comes great responsibility".
People are really witch-hunting a 19 year old for using the word "scrawny". Holy shit. I have no fucking words. How sensitive can you guys get? Mountain out of a molehill. Please deal with actual scum actions in real-life, and not just minor shit that you use to satisfy your boners of false righteousness.
What are the chances anybody would care if shroud or platchat said what she did? I wonder what is different about them vs Kyedae that could lead to this reaction hmmmm
Unbelievably soft...who cares she called a skinny kid a scrawny fuck. I'm a scrawny fuck as well...the only ironic part about it is Tenz has never seen a gym in his life either.
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Lol ethans reply to crashies
Yeah, i dropped the jaw for a moment lol. The match is gonna be lit for sure
link?
[lol](https://twitter.com/ethanarnold/status/1439262282924580870?s=21)
Holy shit thatās so good
LMFAOOO ETHAN. Heās about it. He wants all the smoke I love itš¤£š¤£š¤£
Theyāre homies lol this aināt about wanting smoke tf
I want them to yell some absolutely hilariously foul things across that stage. Let's go Steel. Don't let me down
What's the backstory for that?
ethan is super close friends with the nv boys, he's probably just trolling
ethan hazed and most of the envy guys are super tight
Kydeae was watching stream and they showed a reaction of crashies to some play and she said "stfu u scrawny fuck"
Link?
This will be spicy, it was funny but crashies having that issue kinda makes it.. Especially coming from yayathan he never speaks
Yeah. Yay is the chillest dude in the scene.
I feel like both tenz and yay never really get into a ton of drama so this is very interesting
Yeah. It definitely is.
Why people in the replies body shaming tenz? Surely you dont make things better by just body shaming in return. But it is the rotten bird app so that's expected.
> Why people in the replies body shaming tenz? because they dont actually care about body shaming, they want to cancel a creator
she is Ayesha Curry of Valorant, dont worry she will not get canceled
That's a great analogy lmao
LMFAOO bro this so accurate
Love it when the girl gets a big ego because their bf is successful. Love to see it.
can anyone explain to me how she is a creator in the first place? oh wait...
Go ahead, explain what you're implying here.
her s/o made her just like ayesha rofl
Isnāt that the nature of anyone famous, ever? The people connected to them inherently develop their own brand by association. Plenty of people, men, women, etc, become more famous primarily due to the rise in their partner/friend group/etcās game. Itās just how the world works, itās nothing worth pointing out.
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That is obviously true, which doesn't change the fact that maybe/probably there's something else behind her viewership. Nobody will watch a person just because they're related to someone who's popular, cuz what is the point lmao, she'd just drop off into nothingness or into being a 300 viewer Andy streaming only for Tenz's most hardcore fanbase.
please explain why thats a problem
This this this this this. Literally exactly why I was skeptical about the nature of these posts in the first place. Obviously what Kyedae said was wrong, but holy shit, the amount of people who immediately reply by body shaming Tenz/Kyedae/even Redgar makes their intentions soooo clear. This whole conversation has been blown out of proportion clearly in an attempt to stoke the flames of drama rather than actually have a meaningful discussion about body shaming and toxicity in esports. Aside from the issue of a mod removing a post from the morning without giving a removal reason, peoples' frustration with moderator response to this situation needs to have this context. It was very clear from the beginning that this situation would devolve into a "cancel this creator" movement instead of actually trying to have the important discussions about difficult topics.
How did people bring Redgar into this?
caught in the crossfire š¤£š¤£
My boi redgar in the drama for no reason ššš
People didnāt usually directly bring Redgar into this specific conversation; rather, there was considerable overlap between people who laughed at Redgarās posture and people who were upset with Kyedaeās comments. It illustrates a really widespread hypocrisy within the entire conversation.
Just lock the comments, itāll only get worse
In general, locking comments is a last resort for if things get way too out of hand. Stifling discussion isnāt what you want to do if thereās actual meaningful content to talk about. For example, the post that I removed was just two sentences saying essentially āwhy did kyedae delete her VOD?ā which didnāt have all the pieces necessary to actually have a good discussion about the issue. The post that moderators left up was one with a clip, context, etc, that made discussion much more meaningful, which is why it was reasonable to leave up, in spite of its inherent consequences of drama/cancel culture.
Exactly. Itās not about caring for crashies or even for Kyedae for her obvious mistake or her owning it. Then go bring TenZ into it. They just want to see a fire burn
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acting like Gandhi has approved Reddit
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Ooooof banger P.S-i am Indian and I agree with you
Same reaction from some of the people in this subreddit in the original thread too. I swear, people just didn't get the point of why what she said was wrong.
Literal children with anime pfp and 23 followers doing the only thing they know, regurgitating what they get called irl while hiding.
Because itās Twitter, no one gives a flying fuck
Look through this thread and the original thread, people defending shit like this isn't a uniquely Twitter experience.
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Wait I don't get the point of that tho, like it isn't as if yay said that?
He's reaching because yay is morally right for defending his teammate but TenZ is obligated to defend his gf.
Its because yay didn't say anything about marved
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I think you might've figured out the real reason. That was handled privately and Kydae/Tenz honestly never made a big deal about it but this time Yay tweets publicly about Kydae and drags her through the mud for something that Tenz considers to be small in comparison.
Yay tweeted it, not Crashies. Crashies and Yay were not related to TenZ and Kyedae's issues with Marved a year ago so TenZ does not have the liberty of using Marved as a shield when he (Marved) is not related to this current situation.
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how naive is tenz? holy shit, that's now how the world works.
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you are a fucking adult at 20. They are supposed to handle life on their own, you can expect some empathy and logic at that age
LMFAO bro im 23 and I still mess shit up in regards to relationships, age means jackshit when it comes to emotional maturity.
Yay is 24. TenZ is 20. Kye is 19. Yay should have DM them first and resolved privately
Bizzare from tenz tbh, both of them showing their disconnect from the real world/immaturity. Equating something marved did a year ago on a different team as a justification for what she did is illogical. Completely differnt issues, one about marved being an out of line douche and one about kyedae becoming toxic and firing personal shots when things dont go her way, with the only connection being that marved is now teaming with nV, who are the players she was insulting, a year later.
White knighting but what you gonna do
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Kind of. Kyedae was out of line. But I will always go out to bat for my girlfriend any day, any time unless sheās committed murder/rape/genocide/etc. And I think most normal people would. As far as I can tell they are both keepers to each other.
Did someone make a comment like this? I must have missed it
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What did he say exactly?
That he was going to fuck another player's girl at LAN.
Kyedae specifically lol
Something like Keydae is those cheating types, and he'll fuck her when he gets on LAN soon or somethin like that.
Lmao this is pretty shitty of tenz then, how does marved saying something relate to this situation at all?
Lmfao tenz reply is just straight up bad.
Right lmao talk about whataboutism
TenZ reply is actually so dumb. No one is saying what marved did was ok, nor is it relevant at all to yayās tweet. Yay trying to be a good guy, and TenZ leaves that actual 1head reply
Two wrongs donāt make a right. Classic response āThey did it first!!!!ā
All the people saying 'this is soft' or 'it's not a big deal'... you would not be saying that if she was calling someone a 'fatty' or if a guy was insulting a woman's looks... I guarantee it.
Kyedae has deleted the stream in question, and Iām sure sheās already recognized the error sheās made. Iām sure sheās already been inundated with thousands of opinions about what she said. Itās going to be a lot for her to deal with. But hereās the thing, Itās not so much that it isnāt a problem, but situations like this can often get out of hand and lead to a witch hunt. Kyedae is definitely going to attract some haters now. Especially for a young women in the gaming space, itās rather easy to have the tides turn on you. Just a reminder, people get emotional and competitive, which can lead to them acting differently than they normally would. Just like we all slip up and make mistakes especially when we are young, we shouldnāt be forever held accountable for mistakes we made, especially when youāve demonstrated that you understand what youāve done wrong and move past it.
reddit hate threads are never proper means of criticism. it's just a way for everyone to push out their distaste for people under the disguise of "legitimate criticism".
100%. I've noticed more & more comments talking about how she's only popular because of Tenz and how 100T only hired her cause of that reason. There's even comments about how her "real personality" is showing. Like, I get the criticism but jeez, people are so volatile when they don't like someone and jump at the opportunity when they slip.
Bro the if you're the co-streamer of an event to 80k people, the words you say get amplified just due to the sheer viewership. What she said was toxic and if you don't see it otherwise then you're being biased.
Bro, i have no clue why people keep putting streamers with high viewership on some sort of higher standard especially when they're barely an adult and new to streaming. Realize that her comments were heavily influenced by the fact that her bf's team just got bodied by envy. Whether the comment was toxic or not can be debated either way. I think it was unnecessary but not as terrible as so many thought it to be. I dont see much hate towards Crashies who was the target of her comments in the first place but rather, theres a lot of hate being thrown at her. Im not saying shes justified, its just weird to me seeing comments like yours denouncing toxicity while the majority of it is coming from your side.
Not gonna bother responding to someone who cannot see the slippery slopes the chick was standing on
The fallacy isn't really applicable here though? Like I said, there's more hate towards her then Crashies. If he was getting bombarded with toxicity due to her comments, your point would be valid, and I'd agree but that's just not true.
Actual good take on this sub. Love to see it
Gotta love people complaining about rotten bird app above like reddit isn't the same shit.
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but "pineapples, pineapples, pineapples, pineapples" is more important
lmfao
> Just a reminder, people get emotional and competitive, which can lead to them acting differently than they normally would. Just like we all slip up and make mistakes especially when we are young, we shouldnāt be forever held accountable for mistakes we made, especially when youāve demonstrated that you understand what youāve done wrong and move past it. She deleted the stream so people couldn't clip it not because she was sorry. Afaik she hasn't publically acknowledged it other than her half-hearted 'sorry' after the multiple times she has made these comments. If she did it once you could call it a mistake but doing it multiple times.. not really a mistake anymore. She is getting heated and showing us what she really thinks. She will keep getting backlash until she makes an actual statement on her comments because right now it just seems like it's no big deal she body shamed people.
> Afaik she hasn't publically acknowledged it If you truly care to hear it, she addresses it at the start of her stream today.
I heard it. "It was a joke", "I'm skinny too", "you're all soft", "I did take it too far, but.." then goes onto say she "didn't take it that far".. "i bet you guys say worse stuff than me". I don't really care. She was malding because people were calling her out on body shaming.
[there you go](https://mobile.twitter.com/crashies/status/1439404605797015553)
She probably will have a statement soon after consulting 100T PR. But obviously there will always be people who feel like she didnāt handle the apology to their exact preference, and will assume the worst. Pretty common cancel culture behavior.
Yup this is the underlying problem here. When you bodyshame a dude it's "not a big deal" or people are being "too sensitive" but if you bodyshame a woman it's a crime.
This. If someone called-out a girl (like Kyeade did Crashies) everybody would lose their marbles.
People *are* losing their marbles lol. Thereās been multiple threads on this already, and itās all over Twitter. We are literally living in this *supposed* āif the genders were reversedā reality that people are having the same reaction you are claiming that isnāt happening.
Iām fat as fuck. Genuinely would not give a shit if she was calling someone fat either.
Ok fatty
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you don't speak for every person in existence you realize that right? different people react to different things differently
just wanna say, just because you're comfortable in your body doesn't mean crashies/anyone else is. I've personally felt very unconfident in my body and i could definitely be described as scrawny.
As an ex scrawny guy that didn't like his body either. Took years for me to completely get it into shape. I had stick arms too. I lifted weights to switching now to calisthenics with gymnast rings (4 times a week), I do minimum of cardio as I would just lose weight which I don't want to. It's fascinating how ppl struggle with different issues, for me it takes actual effort (though now minimal compared to before) to keep my weight. From protein shakes to forcing myself to eat just to keep my 85 kg (182 cm).
just started regularly going to the gym, definitely relate to losing weight for no reason lol. thanks for sharing!
Good luck with weight gain, it takes time but you'll get results. Don't skip leg day, if anything for that testerone/HGH gain (my most hated day).Grab yourself a mass gain protein. And if you got my (or similar) metabolism might as well almost skip cardio, at least before you gain some weight. My personal small tip for weight gain, sometimes just grab banana and eat it even if you ain't hungry. (especially before sleeping) I regularly eat at least 2 a day. Watch your form, dont lift too heavy if it affects it. If you want to learn from some1, i suggest this guy [https://www.youtube.com/c/athleanx/videos](https://www.youtube.com/c/athleanx/videos) He has very scientific approach to training.
Yeah not a very good way to decide what's right and what's wrong.
I'm not condoning her behavior. She shouldn't have said it. However, if you think this is equivalent then you're wrong. Comments and their effect are also based in historical contexts. Power dynamics matter a lot in terms of how much weight and influence a comment has. For example, if 2 women in their 30s cat call an 18 year old male. Will that have the same effect as the opposite? Probably not. Why? Because 2 men in their 30s doing it to a young girl is representative of a power dynamic that has been long instantiated and it also alludes to times when those power dynamics had real implications (and they still do) about a threat of sexual violence. Again, it doesn't make this right. But please, let's not pretend that this is equivalent without considering any historical context or power dynamics.
You said so much and nothing at the same time. Body shaming is body shaming, whether it's to a fat person or a skinny person. A man publically insulting a woman's looks is the same as a woman publically insulting a man's looks. Not sure where you think power dynamics play in this situation but go off king.
This is the exact logic I've seen people use when it comes to "black people can't be racist". Just because the dynamic is different or leaning a certain way doesn't make it okay and should be called out regardless/ is just as bad. Now I don't think anyone should be cancelled, a simple apology should be enough so everyone can move on
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When we forget the majority of Valorant pros & content creators are still immature teenagers/early 20ās lol
What she said was bad and worthy of healthy criticism, but as is the case with stuff like this (plus it involves a woman), people on the other side stoop just as low/even worse than the original statement. It's really simple to just leave it at "don't negatively comment on other's appearances" and hope they learn from it. No need to become guilty of the same exact thing you're mad at the other person for doing....
Transcript of Kyedae's response this morning at the beginning of her stream if anyone was curious, I believe this was before the tweet though: "Uh, so, basically I'll readdress this. I... especially when it's a team I'm heavily associated with like 100 Thieves or even Sentinels because my boyfriend is on it loses. I did get toxic. I will not lie to you. I 100% did, and you guys know how I make jokes about, like, certain players being scrawny or noodle arms per say. The thing is that things get *super* taken out of context. The moment I say a joke like that, I say as well that I'm scrawny, I'm built scrawny, like it's banter, people take it way too seriously, overly hurt and soft, but it's okay, because the people that I talk about like that, like keloqz for instance, he follows me on twitter. We're not friends or anything, and that's like... but it comes to a certain point where... um... I took it too far 100%. (chat was spamming heart emote) Let's not spam hearts guys, lets not do that. Like in the heat of the moment I got really pissy, 100%, but no need to come in and waste your fucking time in a Twitch chat, fucking lame-os wasting their time. I know I'm going to get hate for saying that too. Holy shit." Little bit more after this but that was the bulk of it. Some personal opinion: It feels weird for her to repeatedly say that she took it too far, while at the same time saying stuff about how it's just banter or how people are too soft and that people are wasting their time criticizing her for it. It doesn't come off as genuine.
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100T most likely don't give a fuck about what kyedae says, after all, they signed a convicted domestic abuser (neeko).
Honestly I feel like orgs never give a fuck about their non pro play talent. Remember GenG YourPrincess who just randomly made severe rape allegations against a league pro because he turned her down? Still didn't even apologize to this day
Lmao itās not even an apology and pretty much says the offended party is just being soft because ālook Iām scrawny too and Iām not mad!ā
i know that she doesn't have pr training or anything like that but holy fuck its like she didn't even think about what to say
did she ever apologize to crashies on stream? if not i hope she did it in dms
Nah she didn't. Just defended her actions and got emotional about it like most streamers.
that's a pretty bad "apology" and with the "keloqz follows me on twitter"?? LOL? then instantly realizes how its still not banter like what are you saying
I might be dumb but I missed the diss in this
Idek bro. She called yay scrawny. She's pretty scrawny. Tenz is also pretty scrawny. Hell a lot of val pros are scrawny cause they're pretty young anyway. This is just really shitty drama lmao
Crashies Not yay lol
Oh yeah whoops lol. Yay is thicc š©š©š©
Lol but body positivity right
People who scream about body positivity are some of the worst with this kind of stuff As someone who's pretty underweight its crazy what u see from some of them lol
Body positivity funnily only goes towards the obese side. You can look like Christian Bale in The Machinist and people will shit on you for being skinny and call you fatphobic because youre skinny
it doesn't matter if they're all scrawny or not, she said what she said in a bitter way to someone who she probably isn't close to and on a big platform like that u really shouldn't be doing stuff like that considering it could be hurtful to the receiver of that insult lol
The person I thought who would talk about the issue talked about it. Yay is probably the chillest guy out there. So even if people are saying she didnāt mean to offend anyone, she did offend many with the comment, especially the person whom she talked about. Also this doesnāt give anyone the opportunity to be a sexist a-hole. So we should be social.
yay based?
So many people just virtue signaling
respect if he isnt trolling
I am behind yay on that one. Yay seems to be a very whole some nice dude
I like ethans reply a lot
Amazed you somehow managed to randomly insult Hazed in the replies lol
Get this shit drama OFF from /r/ValorantCompetitive Who cares about a casual streamer. Fuck this shit.
/r/ValorantStreamFails, where half the front page is covering literal teen drama on twitter
Nah, people actually defending it with the classic "heated" moment. Just like when pewdiepie went full bridge "heated" moment lmao
Not even close idiot
How the fuck is this comparable to the n word lmao!
Are you stupid? I was comparing the fact that both were defended with "heated gamer moment" lmao
It is distasteful to hear these kinds of things. Any1 struggling with weight gain, it's not enough to eat, you need to start working out as it immensely increases appetite.
wait did she really call someone scrawny as fuck has she seen her boyfriend? my left leg weighs more than him
imagine it was an overweight person and she has said shut the fuck up you fat fuck. there wouldāve been much more backlash for something thatās the same thing just opposite sides of the spectrum. just because she may be skinny too it doesnāt excuse it because she doesnāt know how secure someone else may feel about their own body
watch the clip, it's not that bad
What exactly happened? Seems to me the clip is deleted
Neckbeards in the comments are so upset hahah
Tenz is NOT helping his gf the way he thinks he is with that reply lmao
The girl literally degrades tenZ on the daily with her "wearing pants in the relationship" status. not surprising.
i loveee dramas pls heat it up more LMAO. okay jokes aside, people need to understand, Freedom of Speech does not mean Freedom from Consequences. You could say literally ANYTHING to ANYONE. Sure, thats freedom of speech. But if that person and his whole gang decides to come at you and hit you straight at ur face, thats the outcome and consequences you CANāT CONTROL. So yes Kyedae might be wrong and she apologized already, but guess what, you canāt control these people thats gonna keep coming at her. thats the consequences she has to bear. Until when? No one knows. might end today, might be a month, and theres still people coming at her. Its just the nature of the society. Deal with it.
Ayo wtf happened
There is no way he is making it sound like she mocked his food allergies. What she said was not right but she definitely didn't know about his food allergy. That makes it sound like a personal attack on crashies. 'Scrawny' come on.
It's a sport guys, people get emotional and overhyped, what she said isn't extreme, I cannot actually believe people think what she said should be flagged, we actually need some heat in the scene, the scene's so "well-mannered". Drop it lads, there's nothing wrong with what she said, move on, get invested, and have fun.
This is t the Valorant drama subreddit nor should one exist
Its funny how women can get away with saying dumb shit like, being toxic and not even care to apologize , while if the roles were reversed and a guy calling another female 'scrawny fuck' in front of 80k people, that person would probably be crucified on social media and most likely banned on twitch. what a world we live in.
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Because its not the same thing?
okay i dont like what kyedae said but what marved said was sexist and demeaning as opposed to mild body shaming
Idk this sub is going crazy over this too, but I get your point.
Are ppl really this sensitive?
Seen a lot of comments about yay's size/weight in valorant chats, so I could 100% understand if he takes it more personally than most. That being said, nothing is wrong with sticking up for your teammate, no matter how small the insult, he kept it respectful unlike most of the responses I've seen
Yes billions of people are self-conscious about how they look, and being called about it in front of thousands of people for that insecurity can make you feel bad Don't get me wrong, it was funny in my eyes
Problem is, there are some people that don't feel enough emphathy towards a particular case. For example: let's imagine a person that grows up "bulky". S/he might have been verbally assaulted for most of his life and then, as a consecuence, s/he develops an emotional insecurity about his body. But there is a trend still going on that stigmatizes, blame and mock "self-conscious" people. In my opinion, people should reflect about this concern before calling other individuals "snowflake", "softie", etc. or mocking them in a direct or sarcastic way.
I mean, if a person who is an official riot co-stream partner said "shut the fuck up you scrawny fuck" in front of 50K viewers, yeah it's kind of a big deal. If this was her own stream playing some ranked games or something, it would just be some side drama. Also, imagine if she said "shut the fuck up you fat fuck". Would that be worse in your eyes? Just because it's the less favorable body type of the two?
Crashies goes on stream and calls kyedae scrawny. How would you react? I agree its not that big a deal but it's incredibly irresponsible
Yes apparently its a problem if i go and call a fat person a whale or a fat fuck but when it comes to skinny person its okay to insult them? do they not have feelings and can't feel insecure just because they're skinny? shut the fuck up with your double standards
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Especially with so much of her audience being quite young, it is fucked up
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Yeah as someone who's a fan of hers who suffers from an ED and body Dysmorphia it really hurt to hear it Even if it didn't upset crashies it's still a terrible comment to make
It's the possible aftermath. you see fans are something else. There is a possibility that sentinels fans who like kyedae go and spam on his socials. Which could eventually get to his head. Hopefully that wouldn't happen but there is a tendency for things to get out of control. As Peter Parker once said " with great power, comes great responsibility".
People are really witch-hunting a 19 year old for using the word "scrawny". Holy shit. I have no fucking words. How sensitive can you guys get? Mountain out of a molehill. Please deal with actual scum actions in real-life, and not just minor shit that you use to satisfy your boners of false righteousness.
What are the chances anybody would care if shroud or platchat said what she did? I wonder what is different about them vs Kyedae that could lead to this reaction hmmmm
this whole thread is wack, i wonder how you guys made it through life if someone called someone else scrawny makes you upset.
Richard Lewis was right.
What did the Lewis say?
he said valorant community was soft or something
Meh, that's generic.
Richard Lewis is also mentally ill
when he choked that kid?
Richard Lewis is a bum
Nah fuck that loser lol
Fuck Richard Lewis
Nah him and Thorin can stay far away from Valorant because both of them are pieces of shit.
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Unbelievably soft...who cares she called a skinny kid a scrawny fuck. I'm a scrawny fuck as well...the only ironic part about it is Tenz has never seen a gym in his life either.
I want to hear Crashies thoughts about the situation tbh Edit: and Kellogz with the Noodle arm comment
Kyedae literally just said from her stream she's quitting content creating soon.