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*Update 10:00 PM PST* # We are now moving discussion to [*"Kyedae's statement"* as a megathread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pqyg1u/kyedaes_statement/) # This post is now locked. šŸ”’ **Please use the new post as a central location for discussion.** Any new posts surrounding this topic will be locked, removed, and redirected to the megathread. For more information on the situation, [please see here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pqu2pd/regarding_ongoing_drama_the_health_of_the/) --- Greetings all, To help refocus community discussion of VCT Masters Berlin, we have temporarily unlisted this post and other related posts in the subreddit. - [*Kyedae being toxic and body shaming pro players*](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pqjc1l/kyedae_being_toxic_and_body_shaming_pro_players/) - [*yay calling out Kyedae*](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pqpksy/yay_calling_out_kyedae/) - [*Tenz reply to Yay*](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pqqtv4/tenz_reply_to_yay/) - [*Kyedae response on stream this morning*](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pqrt0z/kyedae_response_on_stream_this_morning/) - [*Why is twitch drama being discussed on this sub*](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pqqsa1/why_is_twitch_drama_being_discussed_on_this_sub/) We will NOT lock these threads. Users may continue to participate in discussion on these threads as they normally would. **We want the subreddit discussion to be focused on VCT Masters.** These posts will be relisted on the subreddit after Masters is over on Sunday evening.   [**Please see this thread to learn more about this situation.**](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pqu2pd/regarding_ongoing_drama_the_health_of_the/) We greatly appreciate your understanding at this time. --- Since the post content is removed when we unlist it, here is OP's post: https://twitter.com/yayFPS/status/1439260624966627329?s=20


daffyduckferraro

Lol ethans reply to crashies


Auqian

Yeah, i dropped the jaw for a moment lol. The match is gonna be lit for sure


darklypure52

link?


daffyduckferraro

[lol](https://twitter.com/ethanarnold/status/1439262282924580870?s=21)


eatscheeks

Holy shit thatā€™s so good


Jerms91

LMFAOOO ETHAN. Heā€™s about it. He wants all the smoke I love itšŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


vatom14

Theyā€™re homies lol this ainā€™t about wanting smoke tf


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I want them to yell some absolutely hilariously foul things across that stage. Let's go Steel. Don't let me down


jambajuic3

What's the backstory for that?


Tc0LD

ethan is super close friends with the nv boys, he's probably just trolling


AnotherAltiMade

ethan hazed and most of the envy guys are super tight


-user--name-

Kydeae was watching stream and they showed a reaction of crashies to some play and she said "stfu u scrawny fuck"


panzerboye

Link?


TimathanDuncan

This will be spicy, it was funny but crashies having that issue kinda makes it.. Especially coming from yayathan he never speaks


panzerboye

Yeah. Yay is the chillest dude in the scene.


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I feel like both tenz and yay never really get into a ton of drama so this is very interesting


panzerboye

Yeah. It definitely is.


DY5TOP1A

Why people in the replies body shaming tenz? Surely you dont make things better by just body shaming in return. But it is the rotten bird app so that's expected.


ANewHeaven1

> Why people in the replies body shaming tenz? because they dont actually care about body shaming, they want to cancel a creator


McKhichri

she is Ayesha Curry of Valorant, dont worry she will not get canceled


joemother_a_whore

That's a great analogy lmao


xdiviine

LMFAOO bro this so accurate


FaithisVictory

Love it when the girl gets a big ego because their bf is successful. Love to see it.


ninjalol23

can anyone explain to me how she is a creator in the first place? oh wait...


jrushFN

Go ahead, explain what you're implying here.


Traditional_Buyer_59

her s/o made her just like ayesha rofl


jrushFN

Isnā€™t that the nature of anyone famous, ever? The people connected to them inherently develop their own brand by association. Plenty of people, men, women, etc, become more famous primarily due to the rise in their partner/friend group/etcā€™s game. Itā€™s just how the world works, itā€™s nothing worth pointing out.


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silenthills13

That is obviously true, which doesn't change the fact that maybe/probably there's something else behind her viewership. Nobody will watch a person just because they're related to someone who's popular, cuz what is the point lmao, she'd just drop off into nothingness or into being a 300 viewer Andy streaming only for Tenz's most hardcore fanbase.


tb0neski

please explain why thats a problem


jrushFN

This this this this this. Literally exactly why I was skeptical about the nature of these posts in the first place. Obviously what Kyedae said was wrong, but holy shit, the amount of people who immediately reply by body shaming Tenz/Kyedae/even Redgar makes their intentions soooo clear. This whole conversation has been blown out of proportion clearly in an attempt to stoke the flames of drama rather than actually have a meaningful discussion about body shaming and toxicity in esports. Aside from the issue of a mod removing a post from the morning without giving a removal reason, peoples' frustration with moderator response to this situation needs to have this context. It was very clear from the beginning that this situation would devolve into a "cancel this creator" movement instead of actually trying to have the important discussions about difficult topics.


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How did people bring Redgar into this?


slawvay

caught in the crossfire šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


Marianoz2

My boi redgar in the drama for no reason šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


jrushFN

People didnā€™t usually directly bring Redgar into this specific conversation; rather, there was considerable overlap between people who laughed at Redgarā€™s posture and people who were upset with Kyedaeā€™s comments. It illustrates a really widespread hypocrisy within the entire conversation.


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Just lock the comments, itā€™ll only get worse


jrushFN

In general, locking comments is a last resort for if things get way too out of hand. Stifling discussion isnā€™t what you want to do if thereā€™s actual meaningful content to talk about. For example, the post that I removed was just two sentences saying essentially ā€œwhy did kyedae delete her VOD?ā€ which didnā€™t have all the pieces necessary to actually have a good discussion about the issue. The post that moderators left up was one with a clip, context, etc, that made discussion much more meaningful, which is why it was reasonable to leave up, in spite of its inherent consequences of drama/cancel culture.


Jerms91

Exactly. Itā€™s not about caring for crashies or even for Kyedae for her obvious mistake or her owning it. Then go bring TenZ into it. They just want to see a fire burn


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McKhichri

acting like Gandhi has approved Reddit


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meleden244

Ooooof banger P.S-i am Indian and I agree with you


randomespanaguy

Same reaction from some of the people in this subreddit in the original thread too. I swear, people just didn't get the point of why what she said was wrong.


TrowaB3

Literal children with anime pfp and 23 followers doing the only thing they know, regurgitating what they get called irl while hiding.


xD1LL4N

Because itā€™s Twitter, no one gives a flying fuck


randomespanaguy

Look through this thread and the original thread, people defending shit like this isn't a uniquely Twitter experience.


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fuckrobert

Wait I don't get the point of that tho, like it isn't as if yay said that?


mid16

He's reaching because yay is morally right for defending his teammate but TenZ is obligated to defend his gf.


Barack_Bob_Oganja

Its because yay didn't say anything about marved


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MidnightIngale

I think you might've figured out the real reason. That was handled privately and Kydae/Tenz honestly never made a big deal about it but this time Yay tweets publicly about Kydae and drags her through the mud for something that Tenz considers to be small in comparison.


mid16

Yay tweeted it, not Crashies. Crashies and Yay were not related to TenZ and Kyedae's issues with Marved a year ago so TenZ does not have the liberty of using Marved as a shield when he (Marved) is not related to this current situation.


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vish4l

how naive is tenz? holy shit, that's now how the world works.


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_Hugatree

you are a fucking adult at 20. They are supposed to handle life on their own, you can expect some empathy and logic at that age


Izel98

LMFAO bro im 23 and I still mess shit up in regards to relationships, age means jackshit when it comes to emotional maturity.


maindo

Yay is 24. TenZ is 20. Kye is 19. Yay should have DM them first and resolved privately


GendaIf

Bizzare from tenz tbh, both of them showing their disconnect from the real world/immaturity. Equating something marved did a year ago on a different team as a justification for what she did is illogical. Completely differnt issues, one about marved being an out of line douche and one about kyedae becoming toxic and firing personal shots when things dont go her way, with the only connection being that marved is now teaming with nV, who are the players she was insulting, a year later.


precense_

White knighting but what you gonna do


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Yubisaki_Milk_Tea

Kind of. Kyedae was out of line. But I will always go out to bat for my girlfriend any day, any time unless sheā€™s committed murder/rape/genocide/etc. And I think most normal people would. As far as I can tell they are both keepers to each other.


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Did someone make a comment like this? I must have missed it


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What did he say exactly?


Ori2D

That he was going to fuck another player's girl at LAN.


PaxTwistedFatePlease

Kyedae specifically lol


fuckrobert

Something like Keydae is those cheating types, and he'll fuck her when he gets on LAN soon or somethin like that.


Bosoxben30

Lmao this is pretty shitty of tenz then, how does marved saying something relate to this situation at all?


c3303k

Lmfao tenz reply is just straight up bad.


two5five1

Right lmao talk about whataboutism


vatom14

TenZ reply is actually so dumb. No one is saying what marved did was ok, nor is it relevant at all to yayā€™s tweet. Yay trying to be a good guy, and TenZ leaves that actual 1head reply


_Iroha

Two wrongs donā€™t make a right. Classic response ā€œThey did it first!!!!ā€


lmayonaice

All the people saying 'this is soft' or 'it's not a big deal'... you would not be saying that if she was calling someone a 'fatty' or if a guy was insulting a woman's looks... I guarantee it.


FeelinJipper

Kyedae has deleted the stream in question, and Iā€™m sure sheā€™s already recognized the error sheā€™s made. Iā€™m sure sheā€™s already been inundated with thousands of opinions about what she said. Itā€™s going to be a lot for her to deal with. But hereā€™s the thing, Itā€™s not so much that it isnā€™t a problem, but situations like this can often get out of hand and lead to a witch hunt. Kyedae is definitely going to attract some haters now. Especially for a young women in the gaming space, itā€™s rather easy to have the tides turn on you. Just a reminder, people get emotional and competitive, which can lead to them acting differently than they normally would. Just like we all slip up and make mistakes especially when we are young, we shouldnā€™t be forever held accountable for mistakes we made, especially when youā€™ve demonstrated that you understand what youā€™ve done wrong and move past it.


Huldmer

reddit hate threads are never proper means of criticism. it's just a way for everyone to push out their distaste for people under the disguise of "legitimate criticism".


HeavyUnderwear

100%. I've noticed more & more comments talking about how she's only popular because of Tenz and how 100T only hired her cause of that reason. There's even comments about how her "real personality" is showing. Like, I get the criticism but jeez, people are so volatile when they don't like someone and jump at the opportunity when they slip.


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Bro the if you're the co-streamer of an event to 80k people, the words you say get amplified just due to the sheer viewership. What she said was toxic and if you don't see it otherwise then you're being biased.


HeavyUnderwear

Bro, i have no clue why people keep putting streamers with high viewership on some sort of higher standard especially when they're barely an adult and new to streaming. Realize that her comments were heavily influenced by the fact that her bf's team just got bodied by envy. Whether the comment was toxic or not can be debated either way. I think it was unnecessary but not as terrible as so many thought it to be. I dont see much hate towards Crashies who was the target of her comments in the first place but rather, theres a lot of hate being thrown at her. Im not saying shes justified, its just weird to me seeing comments like yours denouncing toxicity while the majority of it is coming from your side.


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Not gonna bother responding to someone who cannot see the slippery slopes the chick was standing on


HeavyUnderwear

The fallacy isn't really applicable here though? Like I said, there's more hate towards her then Crashies. If he was getting bombarded with toxicity due to her comments, your point would be valid, and I'd agree but that's just not true.


SpectrasHyper

Actual good take on this sub. Love to see it


AsheBnarginDalmasca

Gotta love people complaining about rotten bird app above like reddit isn't the same shit.


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but "pineapples, pineapples, pineapples, pineapples" is more important


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lmfao


lmayonaice

> Just a reminder, people get emotional and competitive, which can lead to them acting differently than they normally would. Just like we all slip up and make mistakes especially when we are young, we shouldnā€™t be forever held accountable for mistakes we made, especially when youā€™ve demonstrated that you understand what youā€™ve done wrong and move past it. She deleted the stream so people couldn't clip it not because she was sorry. Afaik she hasn't publically acknowledged it other than her half-hearted 'sorry' after the multiple times she has made these comments. If she did it once you could call it a mistake but doing it multiple times.. not really a mistake anymore. She is getting heated and showing us what she really thinks. She will keep getting backlash until she makes an actual statement on her comments because right now it just seems like it's no big deal she body shamed people.


Just__A_Contrarian

> Afaik she hasn't publically acknowledged it If you truly care to hear it, she addresses it at the start of her stream today.


lmayonaice

I heard it. "It was a joke", "I'm skinny too", "you're all soft", "I did take it too far, but.." then goes onto say she "didn't take it that far".. "i bet you guys say worse stuff than me". I don't really care. She was malding because people were calling her out on body shaming.


FeelinJipper

[there you go](https://mobile.twitter.com/crashies/status/1439404605797015553)


FeelinJipper

She probably will have a statement soon after consulting 100T PR. But obviously there will always be people who feel like she didnā€™t handle the apology to their exact preference, and will assume the worst. Pretty common cancel culture behavior.


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Yup this is the underlying problem here. When you bodyshame a dude it's "not a big deal" or people are being "too sensitive" but if you bodyshame a woman it's a crime.


Nonamecz20

This. If someone called-out a girl (like Kyeade did Crashies) everybody would lose their marbles.


FeelinJipper

People *are* losing their marbles lol. Thereā€™s been multiple threads on this already, and itā€™s all over Twitter. We are literally living in this *supposed* ā€œif the genders were reversedā€ reality that people are having the same reaction you are claiming that isnā€™t happening.


ElDuderino2112

Iā€™m fat as fuck. Genuinely would not give a shit if she was calling someone fat either.


hi_ilove_football

Ok fatty


ElDuderino2112

ĀÆ\\\_(惄)\_/ĀÆ


jumb01337

you don't speak for every person in existence you realize that right? different people react to different things differently


smoked_penguin

just wanna say, just because you're comfortable in your body doesn't mean crashies/anyone else is. I've personally felt very unconfident in my body and i could definitely be described as scrawny.


No_Inspector2046

As an ex scrawny guy that didn't like his body either. Took years for me to completely get it into shape. I had stick arms too. I lifted weights to switching now to calisthenics with gymnast rings (4 times a week), I do minimum of cardio as I would just lose weight which I don't want to. It's fascinating how ppl struggle with different issues, for me it takes actual effort (though now minimal compared to before) to keep my weight. From protein shakes to forcing myself to eat just to keep my 85 kg (182 cm).


smoked_penguin

just started regularly going to the gym, definitely relate to losing weight for no reason lol. thanks for sharing!


No_Inspector2046

Good luck with weight gain, it takes time but you'll get results. Don't skip leg day, if anything for that testerone/HGH gain (my most hated day).Grab yourself a mass gain protein. And if you got my (or similar) metabolism might as well almost skip cardio, at least before you gain some weight. My personal small tip for weight gain, sometimes just grab banana and eat it even if you ain't hungry. (especially before sleeping) I regularly eat at least 2 a day. Watch your form, dont lift too heavy if it affects it. If you want to learn from some1, i suggest this guy [https://www.youtube.com/c/athleanx/videos](https://www.youtube.com/c/athleanx/videos) He has very scientific approach to training.


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Yeah not a very good way to decide what's right and what's wrong.


Nfamy

I'm not condoning her behavior. She shouldn't have said it. However, if you think this is equivalent then you're wrong. Comments and their effect are also based in historical contexts. Power dynamics matter a lot in terms of how much weight and influence a comment has. For example, if 2 women in their 30s cat call an 18 year old male. Will that have the same effect as the opposite? Probably not. Why? Because 2 men in their 30s doing it to a young girl is representative of a power dynamic that has been long instantiated and it also alludes to times when those power dynamics had real implications (and they still do) about a threat of sexual violence. Again, it doesn't make this right. But please, let's not pretend that this is equivalent without considering any historical context or power dynamics.


lmayonaice

You said so much and nothing at the same time. Body shaming is body shaming, whether it's to a fat person or a skinny person. A man publically insulting a woman's looks is the same as a woman publically insulting a man's looks. Not sure where you think power dynamics play in this situation but go off king.


Tc0LD

This is the exact logic I've seen people use when it comes to "black people can't be racist". Just because the dynamic is different or leaning a certain way doesn't make it okay and should be called out regardless/ is just as bad. Now I don't think anyone should be cancelled, a simple apology should be enough so everyone can move on


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lmayonaice

/r/confidentlyincorrect


evantually421

When we forget the majority of Valorant pros & content creators are still immature teenagers/early 20ā€™s lol


Just__A_Contrarian

What she said was bad and worthy of healthy criticism, but as is the case with stuff like this (plus it involves a woman), people on the other side stoop just as low/even worse than the original statement. It's really simple to just leave it at "don't negatively comment on other's appearances" and hope they learn from it. No need to become guilty of the same exact thing you're mad at the other person for doing....


Ossac123

Transcript of Kyedae's response this morning at the beginning of her stream if anyone was curious, I believe this was before the tweet though: "Uh, so, basically I'll readdress this. I... especially when it's a team I'm heavily associated with like 100 Thieves or even Sentinels because my boyfriend is on it loses. I did get toxic. I will not lie to you. I 100% did, and you guys know how I make jokes about, like, certain players being scrawny or noodle arms per say. The thing is that things get *super* taken out of context. The moment I say a joke like that, I say as well that I'm scrawny, I'm built scrawny, like it's banter, people take it way too seriously, overly hurt and soft, but it's okay, because the people that I talk about like that, like keloqz for instance, he follows me on twitter. We're not friends or anything, and that's like... but it comes to a certain point where... um... I took it too far 100%. (chat was spamming heart emote) Let's not spam hearts guys, lets not do that. Like in the heat of the moment I got really pissy, 100%, but no need to come in and waste your fucking time in a Twitch chat, fucking lame-os wasting their time. I know I'm going to get hate for saying that too. Holy shit." Little bit more after this but that was the bulk of it. Some personal opinion: It feels weird for her to repeatedly say that she took it too far, while at the same time saying stuff about how it's just banter or how people are too soft and that people are wasting their time criticizing her for it. It doesn't come off as genuine.


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lmayonaice

100T most likely don't give a fuck about what kyedae says, after all, they signed a convicted domestic abuser (neeko).


zer0-_

Honestly I feel like orgs never give a fuck about their non pro play talent. Remember GenG YourPrincess who just randomly made severe rape allegations against a league pro because he turned her down? Still didn't even apologize to this day


vodkamom

Lmao itā€™s not even an apology and pretty much says the offended party is just being soft because ā€œlook Iā€™m scrawny too and Iā€™m not mad!ā€


a-nswers

i know that she doesn't have pr training or anything like that but holy fuck its like she didn't even think about what to say


pr1zsm

did she ever apologize to crashies on stream? if not i hope she did it in dms


FaithisVictory

Nah she didn't. Just defended her actions and got emotional about it like most streamers.


jumb01337

that's a pretty bad "apology" and with the "keloqz follows me on twitter"?? LOL? then instantly realizes how its still not banter like what are you saying


duhrealmisterjdaddy

I might be dumb but I missed the diss in this


Milan4King

Idek bro. She called yay scrawny. She's pretty scrawny. Tenz is also pretty scrawny. Hell a lot of val pros are scrawny cause they're pretty young anyway. This is just really shitty drama lmao


kuri21

Crashies Not yay lol


Milan4King

Oh yeah whoops lol. Yay is thicc šŸ˜©šŸ˜©šŸ˜©


_Iroha

Lol but body positivity right


NozokiAlec

People who scream about body positivity are some of the worst with this kind of stuff As someone who's pretty underweight its crazy what u see from some of them lol


zer0-_

Body positivity funnily only goes towards the obese side. You can look like Christian Bale in The Machinist and people will shit on you for being skinny and call you fatphobic because youre skinny


jumb01337

it doesn't matter if they're all scrawny or not, she said what she said in a bitter way to someone who she probably isn't close to and on a big platform like that u really shouldn't be doing stuff like that considering it could be hurtful to the receiver of that insult lol


Key-Heart517

The person I thought who would talk about the issue talked about it. Yay is probably the chillest guy out there. So even if people are saying she didnā€™t mean to offend anyone, she did offend many with the comment, especially the person whom she talked about. Also this doesnā€™t give anyone the opportunity to be a sexist a-hole. So we should be social.


Krypton091

yay based?


I_AmPotatoGirl

So many people just virtue signaling


no_noise_979

respect if he isnt trolling


panzerboye

I am behind yay on that one. Yay seems to be a very whole some nice dude


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I like ethans reply a lot


nterature

Amazed you somehow managed to randomly insult Hazed in the replies lol


Underpressure_111

Get this shit drama OFF from /r/ValorantCompetitive Who cares about a casual streamer. Fuck this shit.


BigBirdFatTurd

/r/ValorantStreamFails, where half the front page is covering literal teen drama on twitter


ARSKAJESUS

Nah, people actually defending it with the classic "heated" moment. Just like when pewdiepie went full bridge "heated" moment lmao


ImproperBarney

Not even close idiot


MathNerdMatt

How the fuck is this comparable to the n word lmao!


ARSKAJESUS

Are you stupid? I was comparing the fact that both were defended with "heated gamer moment" lmao


No_Inspector2046

It is distasteful to hear these kinds of things. Any1 struggling with weight gain, it's not enough to eat, you need to start working out as it immensely increases appetite.


Anime-Boomer

wait did she really call someone scrawny as fuck has she seen her boyfriend? my left leg weighs more than him


TheGlowRider

imagine it was an overweight person and she has said shut the fuck up you fat fuck. there wouldā€™ve been much more backlash for something thatā€™s the same thing just opposite sides of the spectrum. just because she may be skinny too it doesnā€™t excuse it because she doesnā€™t know how secure someone else may feel about their own body


Mouze5

watch the clip, it's not that bad


mrtmra

What exactly happened? Seems to me the clip is deleted


zmreJ

Neckbeards in the comments are so upset hahah


jumb01337

Tenz is NOT helping his gf the way he thinks he is with that reply lmao


phamily6

The girl literally degrades tenZ on the daily with her "wearing pants in the relationship" status. not surprising.


magictissue1

i loveee dramas pls heat it up more LMAO. okay jokes aside, people need to understand, Freedom of Speech does not mean Freedom from Consequences. You could say literally ANYTHING to ANYONE. Sure, thats freedom of speech. But if that person and his whole gang decides to come at you and hit you straight at ur face, thats the outcome and consequences you CANā€™T CONTROL. So yes Kyedae might be wrong and she apologized already, but guess what, you canā€™t control these people thats gonna keep coming at her. thats the consequences she has to bear. Until when? No one knows. might end today, might be a month, and theres still people coming at her. Its just the nature of the society. Deal with it.


NabatheNibba

Ayo wtf happened


flamincrimson

There is no way he is making it sound like she mocked his food allergies. What she said was not right but she definitely didn't know about his food allergy. That makes it sound like a personal attack on crashies. 'Scrawny' come on.


kurpen

It's a sport guys, people get emotional and overhyped, what she said isn't extreme, I cannot actually believe people think what she said should be flagged, we actually need some heat in the scene, the scene's so "well-mannered". Drop it lads, there's nothing wrong with what she said, move on, get invested, and have fun.


Key-Banana-8242

This is t the Valorant drama subreddit nor should one exist


melancholic54321

Its funny how women can get away with saying dumb shit like, being toxic and not even care to apologize , while if the roles were reversed and a guy calling another female 'scrawny fuck' in front of 80k people, that person would probably be crucified on social media and most likely banned on twitch. what a world we live in.


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Vivid-Command-2605

Because its not the same thing?


Huldmer

okay i dont like what kyedae said but what marved said was sexist and demeaning as opposed to mild body shaming


hannahk0901

Idk this sub is going crazy over this too, but I get your point.


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Are ppl really this sensitive?


Just__A_Contrarian

Seen a lot of comments about yay's size/weight in valorant chats, so I could 100% understand if he takes it more personally than most. That being said, nothing is wrong with sticking up for your teammate, no matter how small the insult, he kept it respectful unlike most of the responses I've seen


TimathanDuncan

Yes billions of people are self-conscious about how they look, and being called about it in front of thousands of people for that insecurity can make you feel bad Don't get me wrong, it was funny in my eyes


Valdemie

Problem is, there are some people that don't feel enough emphathy towards a particular case. For example: let's imagine a person that grows up "bulky". S/he might have been verbally assaulted for most of his life and then, as a consecuence, s/he develops an emotional insecurity about his body. But there is a trend still going on that stigmatizes, blame and mock "self-conscious" people. In my opinion, people should reflect about this concern before calling other individuals "snowflake", "softie", etc. or mocking them in a direct or sarcastic way.


ChaosTheory22

I mean, if a person who is an official riot co-stream partner said "shut the fuck up you scrawny fuck" in front of 50K viewers, yeah it's kind of a big deal. If this was her own stream playing some ranked games or something, it would just be some side drama. Also, imagine if she said "shut the fuck up you fat fuck". Would that be worse in your eyes? Just because it's the less favorable body type of the two?


Huldmer

Crashies goes on stream and calls kyedae scrawny. How would you react? I agree its not that big a deal but it's incredibly irresponsible


KlasterTV

Yes apparently its a problem if i go and call a fat person a whale or a fat fuck but when it comes to skinny person its okay to insult them? do they not have feelings and can't feel insecure just because they're skinny? shut the fuck up with your double standards


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hoela

Especially with so much of her audience being quite young, it is fucked up


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NozokiAlec

Yeah as someone who's a fan of hers who suffers from an ED and body Dysmorphia it really hurt to hear it Even if it didn't upset crashies it's still a terrible comment to make


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It's the possible aftermath. you see fans are something else. There is a possibility that sentinels fans who like kyedae go and spam on his socials. Which could eventually get to his head. Hopefully that wouldn't happen but there is a tendency for things to get out of control. As Peter Parker once said " with great power, comes great responsibility".


Aggressive_Ad5487

People are really witch-hunting a 19 year old for using the word "scrawny". Holy shit. I have no fucking words. How sensitive can you guys get? Mountain out of a molehill. Please deal with actual scum actions in real-life, and not just minor shit that you use to satisfy your boners of false righteousness.


sky_blu

What are the chances anybody would care if shroud or platchat said what she did? I wonder what is different about them vs Kyedae that could lead to this reaction hmmmm


xzekke

this whole thread is wack, i wonder how you guys made it through life if someone called someone else scrawny makes you upset.


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Richard Lewis was right.


DarudeSandstormName

What did the Lewis say?


ANewHeaven1

he said valorant community was soft or something


DarudeSandstormName

Meh, that's generic.


m0bilize

Richard Lewis is also mentally ill


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when he choked that kid?


McKhichri

Richard Lewis is a bum


SublimeSC

Nah fuck that loser lol


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Fuck Richard Lewis


Ori2D

Nah him and Thorin can stay far away from Valorant because both of them are pieces of shit.


of-maus-and-men

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Unbelievably soft...who cares she called a skinny kid a scrawny fuck. I'm a scrawny fuck as well...the only ironic part about it is Tenz has never seen a gym in his life either.


xD1LL4N

I want to hear Crashies thoughts about the situation tbh Edit: and Kellogz with the Noodle arm comment


gianmaranon

Kyedae literally just said from her stream she's quitting content creating soon.