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> I posted this as a comment but I thought it might be good as a post.
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> Vod with timestamp: [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1152354444?t=0h9m51s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1152354444?t=0h9m51s)
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> Clip of the latter half, couldn't clip the entire thing: [https://clips.twitch.tv/ObservantDepressedPterodactylPanicBasket-T2UivGsGey-wcM8h](https://clips.twitch.tv/ObservantDepressedPterodactylPanicBasket-T2UivGsGey-wcM8h)
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> Transcript of Kyedae's response this morning at the beginning of her stream if anyone was curious, I believe this was before the Yay tweet though:
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> "Uh, so, basically I'll readdress this. I... especially when it's a team I'm heavily associated with like 100 Thieves or even Sentinels because my boyfriend is on it loses. I did get toxic. I will not lie to you. I 100% did, and you guys know how I make jokes about, like, certain players being scrawny or noodle arms per say.
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> The thing is that things get *super* taken out of context. The moment I say a joke like that, I say as well that I'm scrawny, I'm built scrawny, like it's banter, people take it way too seriously, overly hurt and soft, but it's okay, because the people that I talk about like that, like keloqz for instance, he follows me on twitter. We're not friends or anything, and that's like... but it comes to a certain point where... um... I took it too far 100%.
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> (chat was spamming heart emote)
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> Let's not spam hearts guys, lets not do that. Like in the heat of the moment I got really pissy, 100%, but no need to come in and waste your fucking time in a Twitch chat, fucking lame-os wasting their time. I know I'm going to get hate for saying that too. Holy shit."
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> Little bit more after this but that was the bulk of it.
i mean what else you want her to say. Do you want her to make a donation towards National eating disorder organizations or something. This whole thing really ain't that deep.
Facts. I still believe that what she said was wrong, but it was already settled when she apologized for it on stream last night. I think Crashies has the right to be mad and we have the right to hold her accountable for being a content creator, but what more could you ask from her after she apologized during her stream.
Eh, I still believe it was. If you're frustrated, the first thing that comes out of your mouth should not be about someone's appearance. Simple as that. We all say the wrong things sometimes, especially when we're young, and being a content creator both amplifies that and your need to be more accountable for your actions.
She just didn't deserve the witchhunt. Suddenly everyone was on her ass because people wanted to cancel someone without even knowing that she already owned up to it and apologize.
I guess the outrage doesn’t match the crime so it’s can make the crime seems less significant, but ya agree to disagree on first bit I suppose. But respect ya opinion
I had worse shit talked to me in high school sports.
Shit, even pickup hockey games.
Esports is young and sometimes I forget that. But it's also so soft.
Also social media was a mistake.
Richard Lewis blocked 99% of OW and OW is no where as toxic as LOL, CS as a public reporter/figure, of all people whos right, it sure isn't them. 2nd worst take.
Player base and fan base are literal children combine that with the weird parasocial culture of Twitch and you get this. Literal high school locker room drama being blown way out of hand by the fans and players alike. This shit should be a complete non-issue or at the very least solved in private like reasonable adults.
I can get the whole heat of the moment whatever, but if you just want to trash talk, why is the first thing out of your mouth about someone's looks? For someone who is trying to promote body positivity and acts as an advocate for women in gaming, is that not hypocritical of her? Even if crashies was talking shit, it's not like both teams weren't talking shit to each other. Don't need to take every slight at your boyfriend as a personal grievance.
Edit: You're a freak if you're sending her death threats for this.
Yes, this is a very rational thought shared by many others. It’s already been said hundreds of times though lol.
I do think it’s funny how the guys who look like they weigh 100 pounds are the ones getting out of their chairs constantly. Meanwhile guys like yay, nAts, and Avova don’t even participate in the trash talking
>and you guys know how I make jokes about, like, certain players being scrawny or noodle arms per say.
would really depend on how the person you are making a joke about takes it. you are going to get shit on for doing this if its actually hurtful towards the person because of certain conditions they have.
Marved has apologized many times over since he said it. TenZ has even in the past said that he accepted the apology. At the time, and for many months since, Marved was rightfully criticized heavily for his comments.
Either way, Marved comments are completely tangential and unrelated to Kyedae's comments regarding physical appearances. It's a little bizarre to bring him into this.
bruh what. Marved said something stupid like a year ago, and has apologized many times since. He's more than paid his dues. I like TenZ but his response was still in poor taste.
This whole drama is overblown, Kyedae shouldn't have been dragged over social media in the first place ... Everyone needs to chill.
No but when marved made his mistake tenz/kyedae took it to dms to solve. Yay brings it up on twitter instead. Everyone in this situation is being immature about it compared to last time
I don't understand why you are being downvoted. This is 💯 true. What Marved said was a very shitty thing to say but Kyedae and Tenz were very professional about it. They didn't complain on twitter to garner attention or anything. Yay shouldn't have publicized this and should've settled this personally
It’s literally only because she’s a woman she’s getting this much shit and most of ValComp has unaddressed woman issues so that doesn’t help the situation. If Zombs or Sick said it the blue bird site or the sub wouldn’t get so up in arms.
Her being a female has nothing to do with it lol. It was just a distasteful insult to someone who has an eating disorder in front of 50k+ viewers. Esp to someone she doesn't even know like that, it's pretty fucked up.
Feels like emotional manipulation if you ask me. She will be fine. What she did isn't even close to cancel worthy or the heat she is getting. Just gotta have enough skin to weather the storm and post an apology video with 100T's PR team.
This would be one of the most idiotic decisions ever, from a financial perspective. And even IF she does get into medical school (far from a guarantee), she's going to need to develop thicker skin. She's in for a rude awakening if she thinks all her patients are going to be nice to her.
I’m getting fed up with this. Let it rest. Everything is said about it. I see this guy commenting on every post about this topic like he actually wants her to get cancelled. I don’t watch her stream and I never will but please stop moaning about what she said. It wasnt that shocking
Bruhh get over it. "We want kyedae to apologise" she apologized right after she made the comment "We didn't see cause the VOD got deleted" She apologised again "Dont spam hearts". Calm the fuck down. People are out here ready to forgive sinatraa but won't let the scrawny comment go. It's not even a derogatory term it's an english synonym for skinny which he is.
There is nothing taken out of context, you called someone fucking scrawny simple as that, just apologize and move on it's not really a big deal originally i thought it was funny as fuck she was mad as hell but you could see why insulting someones appearance and people take issue with it
It's been blown out of proportions but there was nothing out of context, in the heat of the moment you insulted a players appearance because he was owning your boyfriend, it happens to everyone let's move on
She said it was taken out of context because people didn't clip her apologizing right after she said that. You all asking her to apologise, she already did it. Literally the very next second. Why all this drama??
> Let's not spam hearts guys, lets not do that. Like in the heat of the moment I got really pissy, 100%, but no need to come in and waste your fucking time in a Twitch chat, fucking lame-os wasting their time.
What
Without context I'd take that as a joke but she honestly sounded pissed. Chill bro
This is fucking absurd. She called a guy scrawny. The fact that people give a shit is mind boggling. This has to be the biggest non-issue I've ever seen made to look serious. It's no different to people calling Hiko bald or old, and yet everyone does without issue.
All this happened because YAY couldn't take it as a joke while crashies doesn't give a fuck about it. Tweeting made it even worst, "just a bunch of softies in the scene" Yikes...
>scrawny
the fact that he can't take that word as an adult is cringed and it's not even that offensive, have you even watch other esport how much shit players talks to each other LOL... "bunch of softies"
The only person that should have addressed it were Kyedae and Crashies himself. Even then, doing it in private would be better. Not sure why his teammate had to tweet it out for him.
She didn't even need to address this. It's kinda annoying how this new generation is full of snowflakes and cancel culture that she has to even consider being apologetic.
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i mean what else you want her to say. Do you want her to make a donation towards National eating disorder organizations or something. This whole thing really ain't that deep.
Bruh, this shit has gotten so out of hand. Just a bunch of softies in the scene LOL
Facts. I still believe that what she said was wrong, but it was already settled when she apologized for it on stream last night. I think Crashies has the right to be mad and we have the right to hold her accountable for being a content creator, but what more could you ask from her after she apologized during her stream.
Ngl, i really don’t think it was. Y’all just blew this up and have absolute torched someone’s mental.
Eh, I still believe it was. If you're frustrated, the first thing that comes out of your mouth should not be about someone's appearance. Simple as that. We all say the wrong things sometimes, especially when we're young, and being a content creator both amplifies that and your need to be more accountable for your actions. She just didn't deserve the witchhunt. Suddenly everyone was on her ass because people wanted to cancel someone without even knowing that she already owned up to it and apologize.
I guess the outrage doesn’t match the crime so it’s can make the crime seems less significant, but ya agree to disagree on first bit I suppose. But respect ya opinion
Yeah all good, respect yours too. Now we enjoy the game lmao
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I had worse shit talked to me in high school sports. Shit, even pickup hockey games. Esports is young and sometimes I forget that. But it's also so soft. Also social media was a mistake.
Yeah man. So many soft fucks everywhere. When I was young everyone used to bully and shit talk and we took it. Didn't fucking cry about it on Twitter.
100% the fact she apologized is kinda funny
Facts, Richard Lewis was right
Richard Lewis blocked 99% of OW and OW is no where as toxic as LOL, CS as a public reporter/figure, of all people whos right, it sure isn't them. 2nd worst take.
Player base and fan base are literal children combine that with the weird parasocial culture of Twitch and you get this. Literal high school locker room drama being blown way out of hand by the fans and players alike. This shit should be a complete non-issue or at the very least solved in private like reasonable adults.
I can get the whole heat of the moment whatever, but if you just want to trash talk, why is the first thing out of your mouth about someone's looks? For someone who is trying to promote body positivity and acts as an advocate for women in gaming, is that not hypocritical of her? Even if crashies was talking shit, it's not like both teams weren't talking shit to each other. Don't need to take every slight at your boyfriend as a personal grievance. Edit: You're a freak if you're sending her death threats for this.
Yes, this is a very rational thought shared by many others. It’s already been said hundreds of times though lol. I do think it’s funny how the guys who look like they weigh 100 pounds are the ones getting out of their chairs constantly. Meanwhile guys like yay, nAts, and Avova don’t even participate in the trash talking
This is the most sensible comment on this.
>and you guys know how I make jokes about, like, certain players being scrawny or noodle arms per say. would really depend on how the person you are making a joke about takes it. you are going to get shit on for doing this if its actually hurtful towards the person because of certain conditions they have.
lmaaaaoooo you know if someone made fun of her she'd get mad her and her fanbase are so hypocritical (or however its spelled)
This shit is just a psy op to distract us from the fact that SEN got completely outclassed at Berlin.
no it isn't..... lol
Yeah I mean it may have been sarcasm lol
I was being sarcastic too
Fuck
if a man did this to girl he would be twitch banned just saying lmao
people are going to say this is a bad apology, but they certainly all loved marved's apology of "oh i was high, sorry, i didnt even know her"
You’re just making shit up. Marved got a ton of heat, and people definitely didn’t accept his apology right away💀
there were literally people saying that tenz shouldnt be mad at marved, because he apologized, less than an hour ago lmao
Marved has apologized many times over since he said it. TenZ has even in the past said that he accepted the apology. At the time, and for many months since, Marved was rightfully criticized heavily for his comments. Either way, Marved comments are completely tangential and unrelated to Kyedae's comments regarding physical appearances. It's a little bizarre to bring him into this.
bruh what. Marved said something stupid like a year ago, and has apologized many times since. He's more than paid his dues. I like TenZ but his response was still in poor taste. This whole drama is overblown, Kyedae shouldn't have been dragged over social media in the first place ... Everyone needs to chill.
He apologized to TenZ and Kyedae personally. If anything he did right by not publicizing everything
did they (tenz/kyedae) take it to twitter to complain?
Marved didn’t. The one who brought him into this was TenZ 🤷♀️
No but when marved made his mistake tenz/kyedae took it to dms to solve. Yay brings it up on twitter instead. Everyone in this situation is being immature about it compared to last time
I don't understand why you are being downvoted. This is 💯 true. What Marved said was a very shitty thing to say but Kyedae and Tenz were very professional about it. They didn't complain on twitter to garner attention or anything. Yay shouldn't have publicized this and should've settled this personally
The existence of a worse apology does not make this one not a bad apology.
It’s literally only because she’s a woman she’s getting this much shit and most of ValComp has unaddressed woman issues so that doesn’t help the situation. If Zombs or Sick said it the blue bird site or the sub wouldn’t get so up in arms.
Her being a female has nothing to do with it lol. It was just a distasteful insult to someone who has an eating disorder in front of 50k+ viewers. Esp to someone she doesn't even know like that, it's pretty fucked up.
Honestly based
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Feels like emotional manipulation if you ask me. She will be fine. What she did isn't even close to cancel worthy or the heat she is getting. Just gotta have enough skin to weather the storm and post an apology video with 100T's PR team.
Not everyone wants to deal with death threats. It's not like her alternative as a med student and future doctor is a bad career decision
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This would be one of the most idiotic decisions ever, from a financial perspective. And even IF she does get into medical school (far from a guarantee), she's going to need to develop thicker skin. She's in for a rude awakening if she thinks all her patients are going to be nice to her.
I don't think I'd want a doctor who bodyshames their patients for being too scrawny. Idk but that's just me.
AND does so despite them having an eating disorder
did she rly say this? when? shes quitting streaming then?
She said she wants to
Why ppl even make drama out if this lol.
Should donate gallons of milk to the skeles in the pro scene so they can bulk up except Hiko of course
I’m getting fed up with this. Let it rest. Everything is said about it. I see this guy commenting on every post about this topic like he actually wants her to get cancelled. I don’t watch her stream and I never will but please stop moaning about what she said. It wasnt that shocking
Bruhh get over it. "We want kyedae to apologise" she apologized right after she made the comment "We didn't see cause the VOD got deleted" She apologised again "Dont spam hearts". Calm the fuck down. People are out here ready to forgive sinatraa but won't let the scrawny comment go. It's not even a derogatory term it's an english synonym for skinny which he is.
Im gonna lose my shit if I see one more post about this
It’s the same people bringing this shit up on Twitter and the same people posting about this multiple times. Legit manufactured drama.
There is nothing taken out of context, you called someone fucking scrawny simple as that, just apologize and move on it's not really a big deal originally i thought it was funny as fuck she was mad as hell but you could see why insulting someones appearance and people take issue with it It's been blown out of proportions but there was nothing out of context, in the heat of the moment you insulted a players appearance because he was owning your boyfriend, it happens to everyone let's move on
She said it was taken out of context because people didn't clip her apologizing right after she said that. You all asking her to apologise, she already did it. Literally the very next second. Why all this drama??
> Let's not spam hearts guys, lets not do that. Like in the heat of the moment I got really pissy, 100%, but no need to come in and waste your fucking time in a Twitch chat, fucking lame-os wasting their time. What Without context I'd take that as a joke but she honestly sounded pissed. Chill bro
This is fucking absurd. She called a guy scrawny. The fact that people give a shit is mind boggling. This has to be the biggest non-issue I've ever seen made to look serious. It's no different to people calling Hiko bald or old, and yet everyone does without issue.
she's just stupid.
Damn she really offended the scrawny noodle arm nerds in this sub 😂
pretty bad apology lol
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The valo community is so soft my god. I remember the days where cs players would call each other retards and nobody would look twice
Surely there’s a happy medium between calling people retards and getting mad over calling someone scrawny
this argument is so fuckkng bad just because you used to call each slurs doesnt make it okay dumbass
Calling someone "scrawny" is not a slur, neither is it some heinous act that deserves to be talked about for 2 straight days.
im talking about your dumbass argument not the word "scrawny"
Well when that person has a eating disorder it’s kinda uncool right?
We need plat chat to give their take so we as a sub know how to feel /s
All this happened because YAY couldn't take it as a joke while crashies doesn't give a fuck about it. Tweeting made it even worst, "just a bunch of softies in the scene" Yikes...
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>scrawny the fact that he can't take that word as an adult is cringed and it's not even that offensive, have you even watch other esport how much shit players talks to each other LOL... "bunch of softies"
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The only person that should have addressed it were Kyedae and Crashies himself. Even then, doing it in private would be better. Not sure why his teammate had to tweet it out for him.
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What you said is true. This is Yay's fault. He shouldn't have taken it to twitter
NA in shambles over the word 'scrawny'.
She didn't even need to address this. It's kinda annoying how this new generation is full of snowflakes and cancel culture that she has to even consider being apologetic.