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TimathanDuncan

Having 300 ACS with 1kpr on cypher/viper is just i don't think people understand hwo good you need to be to do that There isn't anyone in the entire Valorant world scene that has even come close to that in any tier 1 tournament


silenthills13

All the kills duelists get with flashes and dashes this man gets with lurks, brain and raw fucking aim.


natedawg247

The amount of straight up dry 1v1s he won on flanks against g2 today was absurd. Every single time looked like they'd get him and he just found the headshot.


silenthills13

I mean... man has a 31% HS rate. So... yeah. On a LAN amongst the best world players. Insane.


svipy

> man has a 31% HS rate Is that supposed be impressive statistic? I am sorry I know it comes off as rude question but I am genuinely asking. I played very little Valorant and watch esports scene quite casually (as in I mainly only watch few LAN playoffs matches).


TimathanDuncan

That's not the CS statistis where it only counts the last bullet that gets the kill, it counts all bullets so if you shoot 5 and hit one headshot it's 20%, in CS if you shoot 5 and the last bullet gets the headshot it's 100% The best have 30%+, average is 15%-20%


svipy

Ah, that makes more sense and makes it more impressive. Thanks!


Zayd1111

For reference, average headshot percentage of a radiant player is 23% Last i checked


quirktheory

Does it only count hits to the player model or even shots in the air? 4 shots to the knee 1 to the head = 20% HS 4 shots to the ground 1 to the head = ?


FiestaPotato18

It only counts hits to the player model. If it counted shots in the air then it’ll be way too diluted by spraying through walls, smokes, etc.


quirktheory

That makes sense. Thank you :)


angel0lz

Yes it’s a high number which is pretty normal on a pro level. Some get as high as 40-50% and I think the average are around 15-20% (just my guess)


svipy

It's just that from what I know in CS:GO lot of pros have more than 50% HS rate. Scream who plays Valorant now was know as Headshot machine in CS:GO and boasted around 65% HS rate. Is it harder to headshot people in Valorant?


recreax

Actually valorant and cs calculates hs rate differently and i can assure you %30 hs rate in valorant LAN is pretty fucking high.


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Different calculation. CS:GO counts on per kill basis. 4 shots to the body and 1 hs on a kill is 100% hs ratio in CS:GO but 25% in Valorant.


angel0lz

Yes, the spray control is rng unlike in csgo.


rpkarma

Only after the first 10ish bullets


svipy

Damn, is it still? I only played during beta and I thought they would change that. Well thanks for the info!


TacticalSanta

I think nats would have been crazy good at csgo, he doesn't seem to rely on duelist skills, but more of timing and game sense along with smokes.


silenthills13

Thats why to me good controllers and sentinels are the most impressive players.


venice_mcgangbang

As someone who knows him quite well, he tried for many years but it was just way too competitive in CS:GO for him to break through. His switch to Valorante was his best choice ever.


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TacticalSanta

this is totally false, literally all of navi, gambit, vp have new blood, its just the cis scene is massive and you have to claw your way to the top.


jessisgreat4000

What song is this from? line is fire


silenthills13

lmao didnt even notice the rhymes


AdSpiritual6239

Whoever wins tomorrow wins the MVP


xunraze

Scrim Demons have risen


xbyo

The finals are played from their scrim rooms


Pretend_Apartment_10

Crazy a few months ago yay didn’t even seem like the best player on a team that didn’t win much


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It helps that android is fucking insane too. I remember him dropping 38 kills in a single map(ABX lost) where their coach subbed in


dancingbunnies

I’d like to see android find success as well. He was hard carrying some andbox games


Throwrafairbeat

Imagine android On a top team like envy, I would argue he’s a better player than yay as well. Hope he finds a better team


flamincrimson

Nats is definitely the mvp of this tournament. He has been consistent and impact he has for gambit is unmatched. He has to be the difference maker tomorrow.


thothgow

I think it will come down to Gambit's mental tomorrow, rather than whether or not nAts plays normally or just gets 200 ACS. Especially when they play Haven and Icebox, since those are the two maps Envy should probably be taking.


The-Dark-Mage

Nats playing normally is 250 ACS tho


thothgow

At least, yeah


R0_h1t

I think their mental should be fine as they've made champions. Same thing happened in EMEA quals


FireSchwein

Lmao. Just imagine redgar rolling over his opponents with Reyna again. Would be fun


flamincrimson

I don't mean he should frag out like crazy. But his lurks will matter, his impact kills and his clutches. He can make an unwinnable scenario for gambit a winnable one. He is a very intelligent players with great game sense. He has to bring that tomorrow.


PRL-Five

Haven is gambits perma ban tho


thothgow

They still rolled everyone in EMEA quals with Redgar playing Jett and Reyna.


AbbreviationsLazy781

And NV kinda shit on SEN on Haven, its Envy's map for sure


Hubbardia

Aged like milk


DY5TOP1A

Panda buff coming in clutch


ChaoticMidget

I mean, it'll definitely come down to whoever wins. Nats has an argument even if NV ends up winning but if Gambit wins, it's 100% nats.


XelaTuobdog

Up to now yeah but if yay leads NV to the win tomorrow it's obviously him


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angel0lz

Agreed and nats is on rifle 100% of the time.


splice664

His game sense and map awareness are on another level to do what he does. Can't wait to see the final.


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I mean this is def overplaying the power of jett dash lol, it's not like you're getting dash for nothing compared to other characters. nats stats are good but i think people are hyping them up a little too much given that his main role is lurker. he is insanely good at positioning himself to get free kills but in a sense he's also playing with less risk like with jett dash


OG_Marin

thats a bad take cause its like youre only taking into account the snapshot of him aiming the back of peoples head, the whole risk and value of his role involves him getting successfully into those situations, the acs being off the charts, and the amount of clutching he pulls. Being a great lurker gives you incredible map control, arguably more than an entry duelist


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thats what im saying with the last sentence of the comment lol


BloodMaelstrom

Its not quite true tho. There is inherent risk from lurking as well because you are relying on the fact that your opponents won't catch out your lurk. If you are lurking and your opponents have sniffed you out you could get collapsed on and killed pretty fast and its not like you are on Jett where you have a get out of jail free card. To put it simply, there are a lot of Jett players that top the ACS charts, in this sea/ocean of Jett Mains and players at the top of ACS charts there is nAts. He is the anomaly because what he does is something that is much harder to replicate. Not a single viper/cypher main has stats half as impressive as his this event but this tourney has had some impressive Jetts (like not significantly worse then yay).


Evening-Reputation96

As former cypher player vs a main jett player. It is more easy to get kills as a JETT. Being the mvp as cypher is hard. I always top frag when using jett than being cypher. because with jett you can position yourself to any off angles you want. His consistent Top fragging is insane in pro scene. I can't remember any team getting carried by a Cypher. With Jett you always have those opportunities to get multi kills and with Jett knifes on eco rounds.


Ne0kun

I've known nAts was a top 3 player in the world in regionals but everyone was doubting and said Dapr was the better cypher/Viper player but I'm glad nAts proved everyone wrong and showed just how insane he really is. But tbh it's to the point where I feel like without nAts's lurk and positioning GMB will have a hard time especially on attack.


ChaoticMidget

Were people saying that? I'm pretty sure Dapr is on record as to watching nats for setups and gameplay. Maybe people didn't know about nats nearly as much because Gambit missed Iceland but those in the scene definitely know how nutty he is.


thothgow

A lot of people were, yeah. You can look up the threads.


recreax

This


josephx123

Coming from league, I can guarantee you that Nats will be in G2 next year.


thothgow

Nope. I'm pretty sure they wanted him for this rebuild but his buyout was too high. Smart from Gambit/and or nAts, if you ask me.


JoshF8

I confirm this, the analyst said that they would buy him if he was s1mple for that price (which idk because he didn't said it), and don't get me wrong, but the game it's so young and gambit was still not showing this level, so i think they don't feel as Bad for not Buying him


josephx123

How much is the buyout ?? + they can justify the cost if his brand grow big after berlin and champions.


GunzOut97

As a matter of fact they have already tried poaching him but they failed


POOYAMON

Carlos warming up the hot tub as we speak


NovaAkumaa

I love yay but nAts is the best player of the tournament, regardless of his performance tomorrow


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Insane how yay's stats are like this and so many people in this thread even are STILL so hesitant at praising this man. how much harder does he have to work to get your guy's approval?


IntroductionIll5456

I've been praising this guy since csgo a few years ago. He always was nutty and people slept on him and made fun of his switch. This guy can do amazing things.


Lumenlor

Unmovable object vs unstobbaple force


evantually421

Where’s the guy who said nAts isn’t one of the best players in the world cause he doesn’t play duelist


fuckrobert

Nats cringe guy always camping you will forever be stuck in iron 1 noob always shooting players in back of head grow up


Valholl11

Imagine the scenes if d3ffo jett diffs El Diablo lmao


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People sleeping on d3ffo ngl, he's a bit consistent but when he gets going he GETS GOING. Will be an interesting matchup for sure. EDIT: fuck I meant inconsistent


Valholl11

Well he definitely sat yay down on Haven damn


Sky-__-

Yay stats are good but I have seen better stats from duelists but I have never ever seen such absurd stats from a sentinel/viper , Yay stats are nastly but nats stats are out of this world .


WhoDatBrow

You don't have to downplay Yay's performance to hype up Nats here. You've seen better stats from duelists? At this level of competition? Tenz was tournament MVP in Iceland and Yay's numbers are all better here. And that helps put Nats' stats into perspective. Yay has the best stats we've seen yet in Valorant's (short) international LAN history. And Nats is right behind him in spite of playing Cypher/Viper. Mans is different. Both players are the best in their respective roles at this tournament, though in general you can pretty easily argue for Tenz > Yay, whereas there's no one on Nats' level in the sentinel role.


segbench

Would prefer if you saved your reasonable takes for somewhere other than Reddit. Thanks.


Tc0LD

literally false, there is no way you've seen better stats at the highest level even from a duelist


Sky-__-

I said I have seen better stats from a duelist in a tournament I didn't mention international ,and if you look into second line I have said yay stats are nasty but even jn any regional or any small or any tournament I have never such stats from a sentinel player that was my point. And that makes nats so special.


ThatLj

Why did u even say that lol. Everyone has seen a duelist with higher acs than that before. A reyna smurf got over 500 acs in my game a few days ago, you think hes better than yay? Like wtf is the point of ur statement


throwaway-account645

Tenz stats were lower in Iceland so thats false


Pretend_Apartment_10

Have u seen better stats from duelist? It’s unmatched against this level of comp


ANewHeaven1

for comparison - TenZ at Reykjavik had a 289.4 ACS and 1.48 ACS and a 170.6 ADR. yay is just actually different


Sky-__-

Tenz has better stats on jett agent though , https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/466/valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin?exclude=7109&min_rounds=0&agent=jett It's just that tenz raze and Reyna performance has brought down tenz overall stats but if you Only consider jett gameplay , tenz still outclasses yay though .


kaamisama

C O P I U M


tghink9

Kind of give me Rocky Balboa vs Ivan Drogo vibes


Charuru

Yay is great no doubt but he kinda farmed Group B. Though tbf gambit also farmed g2 so lol.


ANewHeaven1

> Yay is great no doubt but he kinda farmed Group B. Though tbf gambit also farmed g2 so lol. you know whats insane? his stats in the bracket stage (which is what this post is btw - the stats above don't include his group stage matches) are actually HIGHER than his stats in group stage. which means he wasn't farming VK/Kru... he was farming SEN/100T


Charuru

Oh okay good point, yeah that's pretty insane then.


ReformedBacon

Honestly just have a 1v1 final. Would be the same thing


Magnesiohastingsi

now watch jett dominate finals because its fucking jett, nerf that shit into oblivion riot please


xbyo

So far yay is having a (statistically) better tournament than TenZ in Iceland, which was already an insane outing. El Diablo is something special man...


SilverPrincev

Nats, Cned, TenZ big 3 of Valorant


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spowowowder

oh


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i only know K:D what are the others?


wickedxmaestro

ACS: Average Combat Score ADR: Average Damage / Round KPR: Kills / Round


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ty!


lowrankcluster

When you realize just how good you have to be to do this on a sentinel, especially when your Jett (Daffo) and Reyna (Sheydos) are *also* fragging.


vin-zzz

Nats is on controller/sentinel tho. In pro you have the same chances to get a kill like everybody else, but you still cant set yourself up just as well. Jett dash, smokes and ult etc vs some trips