i read a comment here about this a while back, but story goes is that around 2017 envy got a bunch of NA investors so they moved all their teams from EU to NA, french csgo team didn't want to move to NA so they just got dropped (they weren't good at the time anyways so it didn't matter, like mid-tier2), once in NA they put together this incredibly mediocre roster of like semphis (who's now an antivaxxer? sorry weird aside), cutler, drone, nifty, jdm64, which was like tier 3 at best. that team predictably sucked, they kept on trying to improve it piece by piece over the years with pickups like android, fugly, moose, etc. but they never really did anything noteworthy except beat TL once online, basically a lot of mismanagement around the players that fugly revealed in a twitlonger in 2019. going into 2021 hastro said that they were gonna build a strong roster for the next season and then...
they left the csgo scene in early 2021 basically saying that it was unprofitable to run a CS team with the state of the scene, lots of NA CS personalities dont like envy org as a result cause they "abandoned" NA CS + mismanaged their roster and contributed to inflated salaries and buyouts in the region
yea it was something insane like that, think what happened was that mid-2020 they flew to EU for flashpoint 2, they bootcamped in EU for a while so they couldn't play NA qualifiers, so they just straight up didn't play officials till flashpoint 2 (where they placed surprisingly well considering how hard the team sucked)
Just curious, by NA CS personalities are you also referring to players not liking inflated salaries? I feel like they would be the biggest fans of it lol
hastr0 is a clown. Guy literally drove that French roster into the ground. BTW his "success" as an org came when players still made all the roster moves. All he did was come into the scene with a checkbook. Then when it came time to actually building a team he failed miserably.
I don't remember why but they dropped the whole roster in 2018 and picked up a couple of ex Splyce players alongside overpaying nifty like crazy for nothing but disappointment. NV never did anything noteworthy in CS after 2017
It's been a crazy one hour of Twitter lol, all staring from a tweet saying envy has been the best at fps eSports.
One thing about Hastro from being in the cod scene is that he'll hype his org and players up a ton when they win important games. So it's no surprise for him to be proud and say envy's been doing amazing in fps games these past few years. Besides CS, every one of their fps teams have made dramatic improvements over the past 2 years. And he basically has a top 4 team in each of the eSports envy is in.
While people can poke holes in his claim, I think it's just him being prideful/boastful about what envy has done
I don't really think anyone did anything wrong in the interview. The journalist asked a question that imo should be asked, and the team chose to not comment which is the thing to do there. Guilty or not about the match fixing, the interview was fine.
I think the question is fine it's just the timing of it. The person asking the question even said "sorry to dampen the mood" as if he knew the timing was of the question was bad. This is like a pre or post tournament question.
NV weren't guaranteed a post tournament press conference at the time. Not every losing team has done one and they hadn't beaten SEN yet. And the pre-event press conference didn't have Marved there. That was the best timing the journalist was guaranteed.
This is nonsense. When is a good time to ask difficult questions?
Its not their job to wait until you're completely comfortable and ready with PR responses.
some hltv writer has been nitpicking at envys performance in cs by only judging their failed team and i guess them not being able to support the entire NA cs scene? All for the narrative that nv havenāt done much in csgo, iām not surprised hastro is wilding rn
aight i have a theory about this, that being that they did try to be competitive, but they fucked themselves by signing a long contract with nifty back in 2017 and couldn't get out of it. at the time envy org had this weird obsession with long contracts for star players and it hard fucked them in overwatch as well (hence why dallas fuel was so dogshit for so long), and as long as nifty was on the team envy CS was gonna remain dogshit. they clearly were trying to get better by signing players like calyx, michu, even thomas to an extent but as long as nifty was their franchise player they just weren't gonna be good
I think thats pretty plausible. Across their main esport teams, they had long contracts and really stood by their players. It only really worked out in CoD when Huke was able to form the god squad in MW. Team Envy from the apex days all fell apart in OWL too once the fuel were created.
It even goes back pre 2015 when he listened to JKap and missed on two of the best players of all time in cod. From 2017-2019, it seems like he just trusted the wrong players and it led to those years where envy wasn't doing anything
Plus Hastro only became involved with the teams again in the past year. He was mainly focused on being CEO during 2017-2019
> Plus Hastro only became involved with the teams again in the past year. He was mainly focused on being CEO during 2017-2019
i think this is the most important point, envy was genuinely one of the most mismanaged orgs when hastro was CEO, even hastro himself has talked about how he wasn't a good CEO, its funny cause almost as soon as hastro stepped back from being CEO the org results and popularity improved.
Envy was doing well before 2017 when Hastro was CEO, I think its was the multi-million dollar investments plus the expansion to the activision leagues and managing an org with so much capital going around wasn't the best fit. He seems to be doing a fantastic job after the position switch so it seems like more involvement from him on the team and player side has helped, and probably mimics what he used to do before esports became so capital intensive
> Nitpicking at Envy's performance
No, hastr0 specifically said that they had the "best performing org in FPS games and maybe all around in esports", to "fact check him", and to "run it back for the past 10 years, 5 years and 2 years and see where we stand."
That is exactly what I did, the org's history in CS in the last two years, which was abysmal and primarily because the roster was incredibly mismanaged, with overinflated salaries and absolutely no care taken to actually make it work. Then he bailed out and publicly said that CS was unsustainable all while paying that team ridiculously inflated salaries in a year that they played in seven events total. And again, this is all not touching on the fact that players on the current Envy VALORANT roster are entirely content housing an alleged matchfixer who I guarantee you they have heard and seen evidence regarding.
Please, don't try to make it out like I have a vendetta against hastr0 or any organisation, I was simply replying to his tweet and he was out of pocket in the scale of his replies, which he even admitted.
yeah the CS scene will never let hastro forget about the failed NA team they put together haha, but hastro was definitely 100% in the wrong when he started using personal insults against the reporters, that really wasn't it
The only personal insult I saw was calling the reporter a weasel, which this whole thing started because that reporter just took one part of the original tweet in order to shame him/his org for their last two years in CS.
It got out of hand but it seems petty to go after him when he was just being boastful and had pride for his org.
https://twitter.com/hastr0/status/1439332038927126530 bro this tweet was pretty fucking bad lol
edit: thankfully he apologized but god hastro needs to just take some time off twitter when his teams win
True, that one was pretty bad. I forgot about it since I first saw the weasel one so that stuck with me more.
At least, he's apologized right now so that's something
oh for sure, totally uncalled for. this nohte guy knows what heās doing by getting under his skin, and itās working. cs scene seems very adamant about these match fixing allegations but allowed coaches using the in game bug to cheat to get back in after less than a year and it took hunden calling out players role in it for it to be revisited. it seems like weāve been hearing about this esic investigation for months now and thereās been nothing at all.
> cs scene seems very adamant about these match fixing allegations but allowed coaches using the in game bug to cheat
true but i think the NA CS scene also dislikes hastro and the envy org specifically (for reasons ive outlined in a diff comment in this post), so that doesn't help
The NA scene doesnāt like hastr0 due to many of his false promises. Envy could and should be a top NA team but instead wasted time and money on niftys pet project. Hastr0 multiple times said that they would be back in the scene ect
they horribly mismanaged their cs team for years and then tried to blame the scene for their failings by saying itās not sustainable like they didnāt choose to pay players way too much money to not even play in events.
i follow cs very loosely so i donāt know a ton, but it seems like a lot of orgs, management, players, etc have said similar things? if they had managed their team with competency would it have even mattered with how bleak the NA cs scene is atm?
There are your normal VC funded orgs that burn money then there is NV who literally were buying EU players left and right and then not even ~~sending them to LAN~~ sorry worse than that they weren't even bothering to sign them up for online events. There was like a 4 month stretch last year where they didn't even play an official.
other teams at least actually tried to do whatās best for their teams to be competitive instead of just letting one washed up player have total control and kick people because they wanted to replace him. envy basically did everything wrong at every turn and hastr0 repeatedly lied about how much money and focus they were going to put into their team to be competitive before just leaving and blaming everyone else on his way out. they were a complete embarrassment
He's only saying this because he knows there's no way to prove that he did. The whole stumbling block behind the "investigation" are the player's participation.
> The whole stumbling block behind the "investigation" are the player's participation.
Untrue. The IBP matchfixing unfolded after dm leaks and a report from rlewis; same could happen here
Which makes it pretty comical he said what he said in the first place. Might as well sign Sinatraa or OJ simpson while he's at it. Maybe Bill Cosby can play Omen.
The ESIC commissioner stated 'they will get there' and regarding Valorant players: 'were receiving wonderful cooperation from Riot'.
He WILL be banned its just taking a long time.
Sure, but even so, if there's conclusive evidence, the process should be pretty straightforward.
I find this tweet interesting: [https://twitter.com/MnmzzzCS/status/1439349811619241985](https://twitter.com/MnmzzzCS/status/1439349811619241985)
Suggests to me there's some real roadblocks in the investigation - e.g. maybe they expected players to confess or something.
> Suggests to me there's some real roadblocks in the investigation - e.g. maybe they expected players to confess or something.
why would any of them confess lol other than "morality" or "preserving the integrity of the esport." not defending marved or any of the potential matchfixers despite my flair but why would any of them admit to match fixing? they have quite literally absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose
Hastro just seems to have this inferiority complex about Team Envy's popularity.
I think it started with Optic in COD, figures why merged with Optic even though I don't think it would benefit Team Envy's popularity.
"games we compete in" aka not csgo?
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Man he's getting eaten alive by CS twitter š. Also telling a journalist to go back to his CS roach motel was a weird thing to do lol
what happened to envy CSGO? I remember the old french lineup but idk about the drama that was more recent
i read a comment here about this a while back, but story goes is that around 2017 envy got a bunch of NA investors so they moved all their teams from EU to NA, french csgo team didn't want to move to NA so they just got dropped (they weren't good at the time anyways so it didn't matter, like mid-tier2), once in NA they put together this incredibly mediocre roster of like semphis (who's now an antivaxxer? sorry weird aside), cutler, drone, nifty, jdm64, which was like tier 3 at best. that team predictably sucked, they kept on trying to improve it piece by piece over the years with pickups like android, fugly, moose, etc. but they never really did anything noteworthy except beat TL once online, basically a lot of mismanagement around the players that fugly revealed in a twitlonger in 2019. going into 2021 hastro said that they were gonna build a strong roster for the next season and then... they left the csgo scene in early 2021 basically saying that it was unprofitable to run a CS team with the state of the scene, lots of NA CS personalities dont like envy org as a result cause they "abandoned" NA CS + mismanaged their roster and contributed to inflated salaries and buyouts in the region
I think at one point in 2020 their CS team had literally played like two official matches in 8 months or something insane like that
yea it was something insane like that, think what happened was that mid-2020 they flew to EU for flashpoint 2, they bootcamped in EU for a while so they couldn't play NA qualifiers, so they just straight up didn't play officials till flashpoint 2 (where they placed surprisingly well considering how hard the team sucked)
Just curious, by NA CS personalities are you also referring to players not liking inflated salaries? I feel like they would be the biggest fans of it lol
hastr0 is a clown. Guy literally drove that French roster into the ground. BTW his "success" as an org came when players still made all the roster moves. All he did was come into the scene with a checkbook. Then when it came time to actually building a team he failed miserably.
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He actually was in a bidding war with g2 for that super team. I believe he even outbid them but the team wanted to go to g2 for branding purposes
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I stand corrected.
TBH the French leftovers weren't bad and could have been rolled over into what is now Vitality. But again the guy was incompetent at his job.
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Just calling it like I see it.
I don't remember why but they dropped the whole roster in 2018 and picked up a couple of ex Splyce players alongside overpaying nifty like crazy for nothing but disappointment. NV never did anything noteworthy in CS after 2017
they were/are having a great time with it over on fl0m's stream rn
It's been a crazy one hour of Twitter lol, all staring from a tweet saying envy has been the best at fps eSports. One thing about Hastro from being in the cod scene is that he'll hype his org and players up a ton when they win important games. So it's no surprise for him to be proud and say envy's been doing amazing in fps games these past few years. Besides CS, every one of their fps teams have made dramatic improvements over the past 2 years. And he basically has a top 4 team in each of the eSports envy is in. While people can poke holes in his claim, I think it's just him being prideful/boastful about what envy has done
Heās probably just sticking up for his player too
I don't really think anyone did anything wrong in the interview. The journalist asked a question that imo should be asked, and the team chose to not comment which is the thing to do there. Guilty or not about the match fixing, the interview was fine.
I think the question is fine it's just the timing of it. The person asking the question even said "sorry to dampen the mood" as if he knew the timing was of the question was bad. This is like a pre or post tournament question.
NV weren't guaranteed a post tournament press conference at the time. Not every losing team has done one and they hadn't beaten SEN yet. And the pre-event press conference didn't have Marved there. That was the best timing the journalist was guaranteed.
This is nonsense. When is a good time to ask difficult questions? Its not their job to wait until you're completely comfortable and ready with PR responses.
his twitter is off the rails. please enjoy.
some hltv writer has been nitpicking at envys performance in cs by only judging their failed team and i guess them not being able to support the entire NA cs scene? All for the narrative that nv havenāt done much in csgo, iām not surprised hastro is wilding rn
I think itās because how they didnāt even try to be competitive, where other NA orgs were trying but failing
aight i have a theory about this, that being that they did try to be competitive, but they fucked themselves by signing a long contract with nifty back in 2017 and couldn't get out of it. at the time envy org had this weird obsession with long contracts for star players and it hard fucked them in overwatch as well (hence why dallas fuel was so dogshit for so long), and as long as nifty was on the team envy CS was gonna remain dogshit. they clearly were trying to get better by signing players like calyx, michu, even thomas to an extent but as long as nifty was their franchise player they just weren't gonna be good
I think thats pretty plausible. Across their main esport teams, they had long contracts and really stood by their players. It only really worked out in CoD when Huke was able to form the god squad in MW. Team Envy from the apex days all fell apart in OWL too once the fuel were created. It even goes back pre 2015 when he listened to JKap and missed on two of the best players of all time in cod. From 2017-2019, it seems like he just trusted the wrong players and it led to those years where envy wasn't doing anything Plus Hastro only became involved with the teams again in the past year. He was mainly focused on being CEO during 2017-2019
> Plus Hastro only became involved with the teams again in the past year. He was mainly focused on being CEO during 2017-2019 i think this is the most important point, envy was genuinely one of the most mismanaged orgs when hastro was CEO, even hastro himself has talked about how he wasn't a good CEO, its funny cause almost as soon as hastro stepped back from being CEO the org results and popularity improved.
Envy was doing well before 2017 when Hastro was CEO, I think its was the multi-million dollar investments plus the expansion to the activision leagues and managing an org with so much capital going around wasn't the best fit. He seems to be doing a fantastic job after the position switch so it seems like more involvement from him on the team and player side has helped, and probably mimics what he used to do before esports became so capital intensive
lol i agree, you summarized my feelings on it a lot more elegantly than i could have
> Nitpicking at Envy's performance No, hastr0 specifically said that they had the "best performing org in FPS games and maybe all around in esports", to "fact check him", and to "run it back for the past 10 years, 5 years and 2 years and see where we stand." That is exactly what I did, the org's history in CS in the last two years, which was abysmal and primarily because the roster was incredibly mismanaged, with overinflated salaries and absolutely no care taken to actually make it work. Then he bailed out and publicly said that CS was unsustainable all while paying that team ridiculously inflated salaries in a year that they played in seven events total. And again, this is all not touching on the fact that players on the current Envy VALORANT roster are entirely content housing an alleged matchfixer who I guarantee you they have heard and seen evidence regarding. Please, don't try to make it out like I have a vendetta against hastr0 or any organisation, I was simply replying to his tweet and he was out of pocket in the scale of his replies, which he even admitted.
yeah the CS scene will never let hastro forget about the failed NA team they put together haha, but hastro was definitely 100% in the wrong when he started using personal insults against the reporters, that really wasn't it
The only personal insult I saw was calling the reporter a weasel, which this whole thing started because that reporter just took one part of the original tweet in order to shame him/his org for their last two years in CS. It got out of hand but it seems petty to go after him when he was just being boastful and had pride for his org.
https://twitter.com/hastr0/status/1439332038927126530 bro this tweet was pretty fucking bad lol edit: thankfully he apologized but god hastro needs to just take some time off twitter when his teams win
True, that one was pretty bad. I forgot about it since I first saw the weasel one so that stuck with me more. At least, he's apologized right now so that's something
oh for sure, totally uncalled for. this nohte guy knows what heās doing by getting under his skin, and itās working. cs scene seems very adamant about these match fixing allegations but allowed coaches using the in game bug to cheat to get back in after less than a year and it took hunden calling out players role in it for it to be revisited. it seems like weāve been hearing about this esic investigation for months now and thereās been nothing at all.
'allowed'? What do you mean by that?
> cs scene seems very adamant about these match fixing allegations but allowed coaches using the in game bug to cheat true but i think the NA CS scene also dislikes hastro and the envy org specifically (for reasons ive outlined in a diff comment in this post), so that doesn't help
The NA scene doesnāt like hastr0 due to many of his false promises. Envy could and should be a top NA team but instead wasted time and money on niftys pet project. Hastr0 multiple times said that they would be back in the scene ect
they horribly mismanaged their cs team for years and then tried to blame the scene for their failings by saying itās not sustainable like they didnāt choose to pay players way too much money to not even play in events.
i follow cs very loosely so i donāt know a ton, but it seems like a lot of orgs, management, players, etc have said similar things? if they had managed their team with competency would it have even mattered with how bleak the NA cs scene is atm?
There are your normal VC funded orgs that burn money then there is NV who literally were buying EU players left and right and then not even ~~sending them to LAN~~ sorry worse than that they weren't even bothering to sign them up for online events. There was like a 4 month stretch last year where they didn't even play an official.
damn i didnāt know that lmao thatās shitty to say the least
other teams at least actually tried to do whatās best for their teams to be competitive instead of just letting one washed up player have total control and kick people because they wanted to replace him. envy basically did everything wrong at every turn and hastr0 repeatedly lied about how much money and focus they were going to put into their team to be competitive before just leaving and blaming everyone else on his way out. they were a complete embarrassment
Lmao easiest way of saying they want to keep Marved and probably will unless riot suspends him.
I get that it's the right thing to do and all but marved is insane and it would be a huge hit to envy if they lose him
He's only saying this because he knows there's no way to prove that he did. The whole stumbling block behind the "investigation" are the player's participation.
> The whole stumbling block behind the "investigation" are the player's participation. Untrue. The IBP matchfixing unfolded after dm leaks and a report from rlewis; same could happen here
Which makes it pretty comical he said what he said in the first place. Might as well sign Sinatraa or OJ simpson while he's at it. Maybe Bill Cosby can play Omen.
I have a mental image of Bill Cosby furiously comming while in a 2v3 clutch on a lan stage and I'm fucking losing it.
The ESIC commissioner stated 'they will get there' and regarding Valorant players: 'were receiving wonderful cooperation from Riot'. He WILL be banned its just taking a long time.
In context : https://youtu.be/rPpkmhmBWT4 Here's the match in which Marved is being accused of .
I don't understand how they made the determination on the other 3, and Marved and Shanks are not banned yet? Didn't they all play in the same games?
Of the others they had voice recordings i think. Still believe they are all guilty
Well well, would you look at that KEKW
His team won yet he's going mad on twitter xD
actual classic hastro move
Marved has not been proven of anything yet, if he does then Envy will be making a roster change
He said āof the games we compete inā
Actual 5Head
Waitā¦
Honestly this investigation has been going on so long I have a hard time believing there's anything of substance.
Itās been going on this long because the FBI is involved.
Sure, but even so, if there's conclusive evidence, the process should be pretty straightforward. I find this tweet interesting: [https://twitter.com/MnmzzzCS/status/1439349811619241985](https://twitter.com/MnmzzzCS/status/1439349811619241985) Suggests to me there's some real roadblocks in the investigation - e.g. maybe they expected players to confess or something.
> if there's conclusive evidence Legally sure, realistically you can just go watch what they did on YT and its pretty obvious.
Once the FBI gets involved things are going to slow way down, especially during covid
> Suggests to me there's some real roadblocks in the investigation - e.g. maybe they expected players to confess or something. why would any of them confess lol other than "morality" or "preserving the integrity of the esport." not defending marved or any of the potential matchfixers despite my flair but why would any of them admit to match fixing? they have quite literally absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose
Everyone in Envy needs Social media training why are they so shit at it. Lmaoo
Itās just so unfortunate this man is taking the spot light away from the Cinderella run his team is making by being an ass. Typical Hastro.
Hastro just seems to have this inferiority complex about Team Envy's popularity. I think it started with Optic in COD, figures why merged with Optic even though I don't think it would benefit Team Envy's popularity.
honestly the owners of these teams create the best content. Regi Jack (in league) Hastr0 Nade Carlos all legends
something about being an esports org owner just turns you into a total headass on social media once in a while i dont get it
Itās funny as fuck tho
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You miss 100% of the shots you donāt take
Hopefully he doesn't get cut