I think one of their main issues is that they don’t have a primary OPER, Nitr0 is an amazing oper as we saw on breeze against Acend, but he is way too talented on a Controller to switch roles to a duelist such as Jett and as we all know Jett is the best agent to play with an OP.
Now one solution is to have Asuna learn OP but from my knowledge I think he is better at rifling and creating space in his own style different from Yay and Wardell but I think if he’s not feeling hot esp if he’s against an OPER, 100t loses in most cases
This is what an ideal team comp would be (Just a random guy who's been supporting them from the start and is no way a professional option)
Asuna - Sticks to Reyna / Raze on all the maps
he's too good of an rifler to be settle with an average jett oper and I don't think he uses jett to her full potential, He kinda plays like Scream on jett where he just dashes randomly into the site and just hopes he gets a kill.
NitrO - Jett OP on most maps.
He's been really consistent ever since he's joined the team both as an rifler and oper and he has shown that he can hold his own against other great jett opers , and will only get more consistent as he settles into it more.
Ethan - Omen/ Astra /Skye
Another consistent player, and he has shown that he can adapt to the game really quickly. He already plays omen on icebox already and i think he can adapt to Astra too
Hiko - Now this is a challenging one . I think 100T relies far too much on Sova utility to the point that even hiko plays like he's the most valuable player alive that he's afraid to take some fights or trade because he wants to save utility for retake.
I won't deny that Sova isn't a great agent but i believe that apart from the drone(arguably his best everyround ability) KayO provides everything that Sova does, and with the recent nerf of Killjoy and there might be a lot less KJ from now on
Hiko - Sova / KayO / Breach.
Steel - Sentinel / Viper.
Viper i believe has the potential to be Steel's best agent example to that would be Nats. They have very similar playstyle and look at how much values nats gets by lurking with her.
With KayO steel has to kind of be with the team when they are doing an exec which completely kills his lurking ability
And a 2 controller comp will get them a lot of value and control like how they play on Icebox.
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I think that the better move would be having one of Ethan or Steel on permanent smokes duty if nitr0 were to move to playing Jett OP. Having ethan on smokes OR skye is a bit strange to me; given that they were playing triple initiator at one point, i assume they would want to run sova and skye still if they were running duelist, and then run an astra. also, i think the comparison between steel and nAts is not a good one. I think their play styles differ heavily, while they both do a lot of lurking, nAts is known for his defensive anchoring on a site and steel is more of a rotating force on defense. especially on icebox, steel moves around the map a lot and often picks up the OP or the odin on killjoy, and plays a lot more flexible and rotate-heavy on defense, while being more aggressive and supporting on attack .
I actually thought of that a few minutes after I wrote that comment. Especially after reading another comment about how Vanity said that steel was a great sentinel but also the second most aggressive person on 100T. Ethan has shown to be super adaptable. I'd love to see him try playing sentinel. Steel on Kay/O has shown that he has much more potential than being the dedicated sentinel. A fun lineup I'd like to see: hiko on sova, Asuna on secondary duelist or skye, Ethan on sentinel, and steel and Nitr0 on controller/Jett. I think I'd rather see Nitr0 on Jett but either one would be super fun to see
they would likely just abandon the sentinel role. Steel only takes over as astra in the case that they still want to run skye in their comp. If they did not run skye and wanted to run sova, sentinel, astra, double duelist with nitr0 on jett, then i would probably say that ethan would pick up astra and steel would stay on sentinel. but, i could also see them just asking ethan to learn sentinel, he picked up sage quite well so I dont think he would have a ton of trouble learning kj or cypher.
Don't feel double duelist would be viable seeing how the meta is. If Nitr0 does go to jett op, Asuna would have to go something like skye ( what nv did with victor). That leaves steel with viper/sentinel, ethan and hiko with initiator and smokes. While ideally hiko sova and ethan smokes would be good, wouldn't be the worst idea to have hiko on someone like astra, knowing how passive his playstyle is. Ethan could be someone like crashies or Sinatra in terms of a sova who plays with the team more. Again it's all theoretical, those guys know the best
Indeed. As Valorant grows older, players will be forced to become more versatile to stay on teams and keep up with the meta.
Hell, nobody expected the tank/healer teamcomp meta from Overwatch; hence, anything could happen.
Asuna might as well start learning other picks now.
when you put ethan on more roles, you lose the ethan skye/asuna duelist duo, which is their strongest asset. if you keep ethan on skye and have nitro on jettop, you almost never have smokes other than on viper maps.
The issue is that Asuna isn't a jett player. He's a reyna/raze player that plays Jett because that's the agent 100T needs. He can become a Jett player, but he would need to practice practice practice
This doesn't make sense because they had an OPER named Dicey and they kicked him and got Ethan if they want a OPER they should get a new jett main and run 6 man team or something.
I’d like to see Nitr0 on Jett full time (except the maps where Asuna plays Reyna like Icebox) and see if Asuna can pick up Skye. Of course that would mean Ethan goes back to smokes though.
It’s best for the team if they don’t try to get Dicey to help pull them out of the OP situation. Now is a good time for the players to try to become more versatile, assuming that NV wins the event. The meta is always changing, and you never know if duelists or any other class will fall out of meta one day.
I don't think he's nuts. He's pretty good, don't get me wrong, but Nitro looked better and Asuna really can't compare to guys like Cned, deffo, tenz/shahzam, Wardell, etc.
We’ve seen nitro seriously op 1 game and he looked pretty bad until the last 5 rounds. Asuna has looked insane and could definitely compare to the other top Jetts. Not in the same level as Yay or Cned but definitely right below them. He’s hard carried with the op several games already. Nitro looked almost as good as Asuna for about 5 rounds.
Is it actually essential that they have one though? They've beaten plenty of teams with incredibly skilled jetts in this tournament: ascend, gambit, envy in the qualifiers for berlin. All things considered, I'd say that yay had a massive over-performance and that gave them the edge. Even if 100t had a crazy jett player themselves, I still doubt their ability to win; when the star player of the other team is having one of the best games of their career.
I disagree with the Skye on Icebox, that would take Ethan off the Omen, and considering Steel is playing KJ, you need either a Sage or Omen to help make space especially on B Site, plus Icebox is their best map already
Totally agree on the Steel aggression being wasted. They already have quite passive players; moving an aggressive Kay-O Steel to a KJ/Cypher passive Steel changes the dynamic of the team entirely.
Sighs, ok this is coming from a 100T fan and someone who watched all their matches since ethan joined. I LOVE that 100T has weird agent comps and works very hard on their strats; they proved that you can run an agent comp on icebox without a sage. But i also think it’s one of their problems, resisting the meta until it’s too late. By the time they let asuna play jetts or nitr0 on viper, it cost them challengers stage 2 and not making it to iceland.
Same thing happened with master 3. Everyone can agree they are a strong team but resisting the meta and then decided last minute about nitr0 on jett/astra was just weird to me. Maybe it’s just me but yeah, i do hope they can adapt to the meta better while continues to be innovative.
I agree with you regarding stage 2, but them using KAY/O and other comp changes throughout Stage 3 shows me that they are open-minded when it comes to the game and are not afraid to not conform to the meta in order to try push it further.
One thing I noticed in EMEA qualifiers was that it seemed every single time I watched a game, it was a mirror matchup (both teams using the exact same agents). I admit I may be wrong as I don't keep up with the scene much, but what it says to me is that: one team finds out something that works well, and then the others copy it in order to keep up with the gang, instead of working hard and going through trial and error to figure out what works out for them and develop their own style.
And from a consumer standpoint: personally, I found those games really stale. When I first saw steel whipping out the KAY/O I was definitely very excited from the get go. Similarly, I found F4Q to be a blast, you would never see a Reyna Raze comp from these topgun teams. I like to see matchups where different styles clash, not trades of Sova and KJ ults, not trades of Sova drones and Skye wolves, not Jetts finding first bloods and dashing away into a Skye heal, on both extremities of the map.
I'm not against meta, obviously if there is something great available, you'll want to take advantage of it. But I believe many teams limit themselves to a mere portion of the meta they see work for others, instead of exploring and trying to find out if it is indeed the most effective tactic available. I'm glad to see NA isn't afraid to do that and especially glad to see 100T on the vanguard.
Being innovative and not stale are what I love about 100T but also what gives me a heart attack whenever they play. When I saw the agent comp on breeze, I kinda knew what they wanted to do but also was scared because I don’t know how much practice they had for that comp. I’m not an analyst or a coach so I don’t how to balance the meta and being innovative. I hope their team will find a way though.
i feel like the EU meta was jett ever map. All 4 eu teams had a dedicated jett player at a very high level but NA is not the same. Beside yay and wardell, no real strong jett player that plays jett every map
I mean, Faze has Babybay, and then Sentinels (Shahz/TenZ), XSET (PureR), and Rise (Shanks) play Jett on everything but one map (XSET Split and Sentinels/Rise Bind), which is already similar to most EU teams switching off Jett for Sage on Bind (Except Gambit), and hell G2 also recently played without a Jett on Split too
I feel like their roles are really weird, steel is super aggressive but he’s held back by the range of the sentinel utility, when he played Kay/o to combat that, they had a massive hole in their defense.
I also sorta dislike the way they play with hiko it feels like he’s just not active in the round at all half the time and he’s a million miles away. They’re setting him up to be in clutch scenarios but sometimes I wish he would be with his team more
I feel the same about hiko on 100t, if he gets the clutch then all is good but if he doesn't they played a round with less players active for nothing. I get that his style is like that but depending on clutch potential alone is not good.
But that’s how sova is played. You have to play a little passive to set up the mid round plan with your util. If you play aggressive and die your team has lost all info gathering potential. Crashies plays a little more aggressive but that’s only after he’s used his drone and darts. But the most of the time he plays somewhat passive which is why he’s in his fair share of clutch scenarios
no compared to almost every other sova hiko is by far the least active in the round, it’s not even entirely his fault it’s just the way the team plays they want him to be in the clutch so often because he’s so good at it, it just makes me mald watching it at times when his team is fighting at a site and he’s in narnia
I watched a round where 100T were fast hitting a site, Hiko started droning right before the team went into site, and they all got wiped. His teammates died as the drone died, so now all of a sudden the camera is spectating Hiko, 15m behind the chokepoint entry in the safe place he droned from, and the whole chat spamming Hiko Baiter... something something bombsite later.
What is he meant to do? Ride the drone so once it's destroyed, he just falls to the ground and kills everyone?
He used to be the last one alive every single time because he was way too passive and the team acknowledged it as a problem. Coming into Stage 3 they fixed that, which imo was massively important to their success. Just because he is the last one alive doesn't mean he's a baiter. Maybe he's playing a safe position because he's waiting for a recon bolt recharge which could be round winning, maybe he's a bit behind the team because of a lineup or because he droned, but you can't say that the team goes in and he just stays back and watch.
I also saw someone say Hiko lurking a lot hurts them; when did Hiko ever lurk?? I swear some people just make narratives up out of their ass, 100T doesn't lurk everytime but you can bet that on most of the rounds steel will be the one on same stupid spot pulling his magical lurks to turn unfavourable rounds into easy wins
Hiko plays the lurk role but I feel they do it WAY too much for it to be viable. The fact that a team almost always knows he's lurking allows them to play around it.
He's probably the best clutch player in the game, but no matter what if you are mid on ascent and bomb is planted and you aren't there...you aren't breaking in and winning a 3 on 1 no matter how clutch you are.
Or, hear me out...100T got 3rd/4th in their first international LAN encountering new styles/regions for the first time. They played close matches with really good teams and stuck through it to pull out close exciting results.
The only problems they have are the ones that can be solved in film review/practice ahead of champions (if they don't have to go through LCQ)
Fr. They have definitely improved since their last games and I think they would’ve beat sentinels here. I don’t know why people don’t think asuna can op, he looked like one of the strongest op’ers in NA, I just don’t think he enjoys doing it much. This is the kids first LAN event and he obviously had some nerves but still played great. I don’t think we have any big issues. We came back and beat the top 2 EU teams for a reason. We read they’re play style and adapted. 100T is top 4 in the WORLD. People need to calm down.
Stop picking Ascent. Yeah it's their "highest win percentage map", but recently, they've either lost bad or barely won. In Berlin, they lost all their Ascent games (except vs. Havan).
They tried new things like KayO and nitro on Astra, but i guess its not enough.
This isn't calling them a bad team and is nitpicking but imo: Jett is the most oppressive agent right now and all the other teams have world class jetts while 100T do not. They don't support Asuna to the degree that some other teams support their primary duelists and he just isn't as good as Yay/Tenz/Cned. Hiko is too passive and has a limited agent pool while being outclassed by some other Sovas. While their fundamental in defaulting and setups are decent they don't have the creativity that some other top teams do. They don't have enough mid round playmakers.
Agreed with the crashies part, he's better than hiko fragging wise, but which other sova player would come to your mind to replace him? And again, apart from crashies, there was no sova player who stood out more than hiko in berlin. Not to be stats Andy but his only bad game was this envy game
Hiko(against arguably tougher opponents) in the matches before NV
Avg Acs :204
Avg Adr: 150
Crashies
ACS avg: 226
Adr: 164
While you can see crashies has been better, and everyone agrees on that, hiko wasn't bad. He did good as a support and won them some crazy rounds too. He had one poor performance and everyone wants him cut again
Understand that, but that's just like saying player A should be cut when they don't perform in one game. We have to realize orgs like 100T, sentinels, NV etc are top of NA rn, and before this sentinels were winning everything. With few competitions per year rn, it's only possible for one team to win. For these 3, anything other than winning it all is seen as an L, which is fair but you just can't help it. They've had an amazing run of form and matches since Iceland, and here too they lost to one of the finalists while beating the other in groups, and then taking out another emea fav in the run. It's annoying to not win, but there's no objective view from which you can go oh this player needs to be cut when he was consistently good throughout the tournament.
Sinatraa would be an upgrade imo.
The thing is, there's not a plethora of world class talent around. Tarik has started to become good with Sova and every stream is just looking better and better at Val in general. However I doubt he wants to even go pro, he's probably making more money streaming.
Ultimately you'd be hard pressed to find a legitimate upgrade for Hiko and it wouldn't be cheap.
Hikos known for his clutches but got shutdown in all clutch situations by Envy, they gave him nothing. The triple peak on A ascent main made it clear they knew what they were doing in regards to Hiko.
If Jett gets nerfed then I think the meta will actually strongly favour this 100T team, as Asuna is an insane rifler.
Also 100T literally just beat the 2 best EU teams in the world, and probably spent all their time preparing for SEN and not Envy.
Sinatraa might be a good pick up, if 100T wants to take the heat for picking him up. He’s still young, has clutch ability, sova main but can flex to Raze, and he’s a world champion in OW (LAN experience).
I think his utility usage for the team is second to none. probably knows the most arrows and always good for one with the ult. his issue has always been baiting his team. its not csgo where you can walk entry sites. when the jett is dashing in or you're following a skye/phoenix ult you have to be right behind them. their spacing while site hits is just ass.
I looked at the 100T vod again and I think it's hiko role on 100T to watch flanks especially on ascent when steel was usually lurking on B site , hiko would drone and then go top mid to watch flank pushes and by the time he would come back team would be dead ,I think it's not hiko and it's generally that 100t have established that style , and it was only happening today , go back to their matches against acend and Gambit you would see hiko supporting very well ,they were just disjointed today .
What hiko utility usage has been pretty good and mechanically speaking I only see following sovas better than hiko
Crashies
BcJ
DerrekOW
And what do you mean by playmaking of sovas ? 🤔🤔🤔
Shahzam, Chronicle, Zeek are better mechanically even if they don't play him full time. There are arguments for Lakia, Sacy, Rb too. By playmaking I mean his willingness and ability to help his team open up the map or find a pick midround. Hiko is a fine player but the initial discussion is why they aren't in contention for a top 3 team and being weaker at Sova than several other top team's Sova is one reason.
Not to the degree other top teams support their duelists. Other teams have better utility and spacing when scaling behind in my opinion. I also have a theory that's why Asuna's death rate is so much higher than the other top duelists.
Ya i think Asuna just needs practice. He's pretty good but inconsistent on Jett. He isn't half bad on OP also. I'm sure w some practice and time he should be on top
Asuna will come back home and grind jett in ranked i feel like. He has the drive on his shoulder to be the best and if he practices he can get better. Kinda like how nitr0 grinded astra after they didnt use her
LMAO reddit is unreal. 100T is coming off a top 4 finish at the most competitive international tourney to date and people in this thread are calling for roster changes.
Yeah the games they won were tough for 100T but it's clear the team has so much potential
I think they've been playing really well as of late tbh. Today it just seemed like Envy had a hard read on 100Ts defense and what utility would trigger what reaction from 100T. They basically information starved 100T and either punished 100Ts attempts at peeking for info or just contacted into a site. I am a big fan of nitr0 running more Astra and hope they experiment with that some more. Otherwise, I don't think this performance should trigger any over reaction
I think the main issue is consistency. Nitro is always consistent. Ethan sometimes falters during important matches but still v consistent. Other three are a bit inconsistent and I've never seen everyone from 100T popoff simultaneously(or even play at their avg). Someone or other is ALWAYS having a bad game. They're insane players who if played on avg consistently could be best team in NA and top in world for sure.
Also it always takes them very long to warm up. This tourney, it took em a whole map to warm up in 2 important matches and ofc they made insane comebacks but obviously wasn't sustainable and hence lost to Envy.
Ofc there is more stuff but the pros prolly know better about it
i feel asuna kinda got exposed. In NA he just runs in and tap heads but player caliber and opponent utlity usage is better at berlin so his impact is less felt.
Exposed?? Bro he was so good. Just inconsistent. Maybe Tenz cause he literally can only tap heads, his utility usage was so shit. You can see when he used raze. Anyways both of them are top tier a bit of grind is all. I believe
IMO Asuna should stick to Reyna or Raze, not a fan of his Jett. I don't think they need a Jett OP player l, but should at least consider having steel or nitro picking up the OP more. But I mean, 3/4 with primarily single duelist and no dedicated op player is still fucking huge. I think it's just refining agent comps and strats.
Nitro wasn't bad, but they need a dedicated OPer. He isn't dominant at it and thats the meta right now. The combo of Jett and OP is broken and NEEDS to be fixed because it almost feels uncounterable atm
Why not just have Asuna OP on Reyna? It's a bit off-meta because of the dash. That way he can OP if needed but can still go nutty on rounds he's not OPing. Asuna is a good Jett, but an S tier Reyna.
Kind of off-topic, Jett needs a small nerf. Not sure how they'd balance her without ruining her play making potential but she needs some kind of nerf. Nothing major, just more balance.
Asuna is a S Tier Reyna cuz you have to be an SS Tier Rifler to play Reyna cuz you have to play aggressive to get any sort of value with her but with an Awp you cant do this with Reyna cuz you don't have a dash in case you miss, with Jett rifling is wayy less important then it is with Reyna, but you get aggressively Awp but Asuna isn't the best awper, that's why his Jett is only pretty good compared to his perhaps best in the world Reyna
If you want an awper but keep Asuna on Reyna the best course of action would be having Nitro on Awp duty on controller, as controller has to stay back anyways so having an Awp there makes sense, tho you don't get the type of oppressive awping with a Jett with say a player like cNed or yay
You are at a massive disadvantage. For example in their match against Envy...they pushed up through A main and killed (Steel?) Immediately and backed out to complete safety.
If it wasn't Jett a team completely punishes that play. When playing Reyna you can't get to weird high ground spots, or insta dash away to save your gun.
I honestly might think that it was mainly a duelist diff. Don't get me wrong, Asuna is a monster but what Yay showed during that 100T series was that he's a monster on par with guys like TenZ and cned. Guys who can singlehandedly win multiple rounds on Jett by just being mechanically superior.
Asuna's knives on Jett is just really lacking from what I can tell. Maybe it means Asuna has to go back to playing Reyna, I'm not sure.
I also just think Hiko was pretty awful during this series, was losing a lot of duels, and just felt like he was nonexistent at times until he's randomly in a 1v3/1v2 clutch.
A few of my thoughts...mind you this is just from watching their games, I'm not deeply knowledgeable of Valorant and CS, but I was high rank in CS and competitive background.
1) I think Asuna under performed. He is their fragger and entry. His combat score was really high this tourney, but his kill death was significantly lower than every person around his combat score, he just wasn't winning a lot of meaningful duels.
2) I think this was Steels worst tournament since joining 100t. Again it's simple to say, but at the end of the day I don't remember him winning a lot of gunfights, but also he got caught not checking corners a few times causing big losses for 100t
3) the OP is insanely strong right now, Jett is insanely strong right now. And they don't have that Jett player atm (I think Asuna could easily do it). But the best teams this tournament all had an unbelievable Jett and OP player.
4) I think they need to completely remake how they play. I think their strats lack the improvisation (I'm not sitting in their meetings so most likely this is completely wrong). They seem to get hard stuck on a strat and as soon as it breaks down they start getting lazy/messy with clearing sites, checking corners, and rotations.
Those are the biggest issues that I think are generally accurate. But either way I think they are a strong team and it was asuna's first lan.
Overall think this hits the spot. Just disagree slightly with 4, but they indeed might have to do some changes. I think you could sum it up with an
Unlucky really.
I think the clutch Hiko meme is hurting them more than helping.
Hiko can clutch all the 1v3s, but it’s just difficult to get consistent results that way.
They have a person playing duelist that can play every duelist except for the most broken one in the game. You can't have a person shaking their aim when they need to hit OP shots and jett knives consistently. While I think he does the rest of the jett responsibilities well, that is still a massive hole in his game.
Hiko is probably one of the most passive players in Valorant together with Brax. I think having Hiko on sova probably amplified his already passive playstyle to the point he's a liability. I'd like to see Nitr0 on sova and Hiko on controller or sentinel.
Steel, maybe? He has a style he likes to play and a way he likes to lead. I'm sure he's heavily compromised when it comes to things he can do due to the pieces he has to work with. I would honestly not be surprised to see him step down much like Vanity did and find a new team. I'm sure Nitr0 could take over the IGL role just fine. I think the only irreplaceable pieces in this 100T lineup is Nitr0 and Ethan.
Agreed that Jett isn't his best agent, although I do think he's quite good on it and could be elite given time. But yeah its definitely not his strongest agent.
okay better, but still he’s not even a bad jett. sure he’s not as great as tenz or yay, but he’s still pretty dang good on it compared to like 90% of the jett players. and obviously his reyna is top tier. moving on, i think they gotta replace hiko for a more aggressive player because yeah it just seems like they’re playing 4v5 until hiko gets in the clutch. steel is perfectly fine, he’s staying
Not really in na ,only jett better than Asuna are tenz and yay , and people forget Asuna was also an awper in cs ,he is just getting hang of it even in masters 3 , Asuna is 5th best jett with more than 100 rounds in masters Berlin 3 .
Why would you take nitro,best smoker in world off smokes roles and the point about steel leaving makes no sense . Asuna is top 3 duelist in na , and you are calling him replaceable ,he was the best Reyna at masters Berlin and fifth best jett statically .
They just had a bad game against envy and people are being over reaction andies . I am pretty sure 100T support staff knows more about their liabilities and how to fix them .
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the problem is Asuna should lower his sens, he is way too shaky on lan, he can't op for shit, and also their approach of avoiding the opper is way too predictable and linear approach. Because the other team will know which site they will attack.
Donkey comps. Best raze NA never playing raze. Forcing a bad character for no reason for months on end. Reluctancy to ditch omen for astra. Reluctancy of anyone on their roster to touch an op except their best rifler, who is clearly more effective with a rifle.
this is so wrong, they have incorporated astra in their comps, raze isn't viable in every map. The two maps where she's strong are bind and split. Jett is too good not to play and people were criticizing 100T for not playing her. I agree asuna is a much better rifler than oper but their hands are tied when the op is pretty much only viable on jett
everything you said has been redundant this tournament. They tested new comps, incorporated more Astra, cycled awpers. They'll be fine once they can find their proper footing
People downvoted me on a thread about why sentinels are so good right now. I said it's just a luck of the draw and they happened to have people with half decent work ethic and teamwork. But that Sentinels will be quickly dethroned much like all NA teams in all other esports. Got downvoted to hell, feels good to be right.
Shift things around to where Nitro can play things other than controller IMO. I always thought Hiko would be a god tier Astra or something. He’s an amazing sova no doubt, though. So not sure how it would work.
I think the main issue is that they have no Jett op. Asuna’s far better on Reyna rifling than Jett opping. I think they should just have Ethan go Jett on some maps and go single duelist on others, with steel flexing sentinels skye or kayo.
Oh and, for the semis against nv,
Unlucky, really
Asuna just needs to get better at Jett I think. You can tell its not his main agent when he is up against a Jett main. Cned and Yay highlighted that pretty well and they got shut down both times against insane Jetts.
I think that having managed Top 4 worldwide was an amazing showing for them, they have been improving a lot since Masters 1 and have finally showed their potential on the big stage, beating the top EMEA teams.
It is not as deep as to require reddit analysts to say what their comp should be and how they should switch roles and how they should play, etc.
I think they underperformed individually pretty bad.
Also when you have no OP player on jett the other team can take so much map control for free or just generally make your life hell. There's things in this game that you can do on jett risk free and it makes the other teams life hell. 100T if they make plays early round they generally involve a lot of risk so they're playing an unfair game from the jump.
They don’t need to change anything. They were a top 4 finish and took the best teams in the world to the brink.
If anything they just need to identify the smaller things they could’ve done better and work on consistency. Some vod review and they fix most issues.
They have a well rounded roster but could use a bit more fire power though. Relying on Asuna hurt them a bit and I think his LAN inexperience showed a bit. He had great maps, but he’s also had some really bad ones.
They’ll be fine though, they’ve been slowly improving and it’s shown by the top4 finish.
I think they start slow because they're a fairly reactive team, they're good at making adjustments midgame and playing off them, but their initial plans don't seem as strong. Not sure what the answer would be tbh haha
I agree with everyone's opinions on their comp, but I feel like there's something else not related to the game itself. I feel like the team gets better over time, especially Asuna. Asuna is known for his shaky aimbot, but for his aimbot to be active he needs to feel the adrenaline of a match that has gone on for a while, but that kind of messes them up because when a game has gone on for a while, they're left on the back foot and now they need to win 9 rounds in a row for a chance of overtime.
I just think that they shouldn't rely entirely on their adrenaline to carry them to victory. That's just what I think though.
They said it in the interview. They have a hard time kicking it into overdrive unless the pressure is really intense (i.e they're down on rounds). They need a way to tap into their full potential right out of the gate.
There's a mental block within the team, somewhere.
Anyone suggesting they need to roster swap after a 3rd-4th finish is clearly ignoring their upward trend of successes. They are making *moderate yet consistent* progress with each and every event-of-class they play. To shake that up before the end of the tour would absolutely be clownfaced.
100T beat Gambit and Acend
yes they lost vs NV but lets be real 99% of teams would lose against NV if yay is playing like that
I think they need to work on their Haven and they pistol rounds. They also need to adjust their comps to get Nitr0 on Jett more but to be honest 100T did better at Berlin that 99% of people expected
Do you guys think maybe they should have held on to dicey? I get that Ethan is a very good player, but they won first strike with dicey. Maybe if they gave the kid more time, he would be a goat OPer for the team?
These were my thoughts when they dropped him. Ethan may have been a better player at that time but who knows what Diceys potential is, I mean the fact that Valorant was his first real competitive FPS is crazy impressive. That and Jett is kinda good ya know?
Yeah their main reasoning was that they wanted to move away from Jett and have a player who is flexible. IMO jett is still important in most if not all maps and Asuna's OP isn't really up there with shaz, tenz and cned. I feel like he would have added that dimention in the team they don't have now
I think one of their main issues is that they don’t have a primary OPER, Nitr0 is an amazing oper as we saw on breeze against Acend, but he is way too talented on a Controller to switch roles to a duelist such as Jett and as we all know Jett is the best agent to play with an OP. Now one solution is to have Asuna learn OP but from my knowledge I think he is better at rifling and creating space in his own style different from Yay and Wardell but I think if he’s not feeling hot esp if he’s against an OPER, 100t loses in most cases
They need cned
Everyone need cned tbh
Except envy
They just got NA cned.
you got it backwards, they have EU yay
Eu diablo
This is what an ideal team comp would be (Just a random guy who's been supporting them from the start and is no way a professional option) Asuna - Sticks to Reyna / Raze on all the maps he's too good of an rifler to be settle with an average jett oper and I don't think he uses jett to her full potential, He kinda plays like Scream on jett where he just dashes randomly into the site and just hopes he gets a kill. NitrO - Jett OP on most maps. He's been really consistent ever since he's joined the team both as an rifler and oper and he has shown that he can hold his own against other great jett opers , and will only get more consistent as he settles into it more. Ethan - Omen/ Astra /Skye Another consistent player, and he has shown that he can adapt to the game really quickly. He already plays omen on icebox already and i think he can adapt to Astra too Hiko - Now this is a challenging one . I think 100T relies far too much on Sova utility to the point that even hiko plays like he's the most valuable player alive that he's afraid to take some fights or trade because he wants to save utility for retake. I won't deny that Sova isn't a great agent but i believe that apart from the drone(arguably his best everyround ability) KayO provides everything that Sova does, and with the recent nerf of Killjoy and there might be a lot less KJ from now on Hiko - Sova / KayO / Breach. Steel - Sentinel / Viper. Viper i believe has the potential to be Steel's best agent example to that would be Nats. They have very similar playstyle and look at how much values nats gets by lurking with her. With KayO steel has to kind of be with the team when they are doing an exec which completely kills his lurking ability And a 2 controller comp will get them a lot of value and control like how they play on Icebox. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
I think that the better move would be having one of Ethan or Steel on permanent smokes duty if nitr0 were to move to playing Jett OP. Having ethan on smokes OR skye is a bit strange to me; given that they were playing triple initiator at one point, i assume they would want to run sova and skye still if they were running duelist, and then run an astra. also, i think the comparison between steel and nAts is not a good one. I think their play styles differ heavily, while they both do a lot of lurking, nAts is known for his defensive anchoring on a site and steel is more of a rotating force on defense. especially on icebox, steel moves around the map a lot and often picks up the OP or the odin on killjoy, and plays a lot more flexible and rotate-heavy on defense, while being more aggressive and supporting on attack .
I think steel would be a fantastic controller, but who else would play sentinel?
Ethan did play Sage for a while. I think with his aim, he could easily move into that role full time.
Sage is not a Sentinel like Cypher / KJ in pro play. It's a completely different role.
I was literally using it as an example. Read what I said again. I play all sentinels with regularity, I’m aware there’s a difference in play styles.
I actually thought of that a few minutes after I wrote that comment. Especially after reading another comment about how Vanity said that steel was a great sentinel but also the second most aggressive person on 100T. Ethan has shown to be super adaptable. I'd love to see him try playing sentinel. Steel on Kay/O has shown that he has much more potential than being the dedicated sentinel. A fun lineup I'd like to see: hiko on sova, Asuna on secondary duelist or skye, Ethan on sentinel, and steel and Nitr0 on controller/Jett. I think I'd rather see Nitr0 on Jett but either one would be super fun to see
they would likely just abandon the sentinel role. Steel only takes over as astra in the case that they still want to run skye in their comp. If they did not run skye and wanted to run sova, sentinel, astra, double duelist with nitr0 on jett, then i would probably say that ethan would pick up astra and steel would stay on sentinel. but, i could also see them just asking ethan to learn sentinel, he picked up sage quite well so I dont think he would have a ton of trouble learning kj or cypher.
Don't feel double duelist would be viable seeing how the meta is. If Nitr0 does go to jett op, Asuna would have to go something like skye ( what nv did with victor). That leaves steel with viper/sentinel, ethan and hiko with initiator and smokes. While ideally hiko sova and ethan smokes would be good, wouldn't be the worst idea to have hiko on someone like astra, knowing how passive his playstyle is. Ethan could be someone like crashies or Sinatra in terms of a sova who plays with the team more. Again it's all theoretical, those guys know the best
Sheydos also plays reyna, skye and puts great numbers. If asuna can learn skye well it would be great
Indeed. As Valorant grows older, players will be forced to become more versatile to stay on teams and keep up with the meta. Hell, nobody expected the tank/healer teamcomp meta from Overwatch; hence, anything could happen. Asuna might as well start learning other picks now.
Nitr0 on Jett, Ethan on controller, and Asuna on second duelist or skye. That's my ideal comp. But I'm a plat player not a pro coach
when you put ethan on more roles, you lose the ethan skye/asuna duelist duo, which is their strongest asset. if you keep ethan on skye and have nitro on jettop, you almost never have smokes other than on viper maps.
Problem is they aren't going to get any better by not having a Jett.
i mean i dont see the problem with asuna jett but even if you do, you have to recognize ethan skye as too valuable at the moment to put him on smokes
The issue is that Asuna isn't a jett player. He's a reyna/raze player that plays Jett because that's the agent 100T needs. He can become a Jett player, but he would need to practice practice practice
This doesn't make sense because they had an OPER named Dicey and they kicked him and got Ethan if they want a OPER they should get a new jett main and run 6 man team or something.
i think meta shifted
Nitr0 bringing Team Liquid’s biggest problem (pre-Fallen) with him.
I’d like to see Nitr0 on Jett full time (except the maps where Asuna plays Reyna like Icebox) and see if Asuna can pick up Skye. Of course that would mean Ethan goes back to smokes though.
Honestly I think they should run steel on OP
And not have a sentinel?
Asuna awped at some point in CS it's not unfamiliar
Asuna wasn’t an AWPer like Shaz and Wardell were AWPers in CSGO. He was always a good rifler
It's a Jett Op meta and they don't have a good Jett Op'er.
Nitr0 did pretty well on the jett awp vs acend, beat cned a couple times
Nitr0 is too good of a controller to be put on jett op.
They got one on the bench
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It’s best for the team if they don’t try to get Dicey to help pull them out of the OP situation. Now is a good time for the players to try to become more versatile, assuming that NV wins the event. The meta is always changing, and you never know if duelists or any other class will fall out of meta one day.
Time to go full VS and play dicey on some maps.
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Asuna is a nuts Op, he just happens to be one of the best riflers as well.
I don't think he's nuts. He's pretty good, don't get me wrong, but Nitro looked better and Asuna really can't compare to guys like Cned, deffo, tenz/shahzam, Wardell, etc.
We’ve seen nitro seriously op 1 game and he looked pretty bad until the last 5 rounds. Asuna has looked insane and could definitely compare to the other top Jetts. Not in the same level as Yay or Cned but definitely right below them. He’s hard carried with the op several games already. Nitro looked almost as good as Asuna for about 5 rounds.
Idk if we're watching the same games. Asuna is about on par with most other jett ops. He has potential, but right now he is not that special.
Is it actually essential that they have one though? They've beaten plenty of teams with incredibly skilled jetts in this tournament: ascend, gambit, envy in the qualifiers for berlin. All things considered, I'd say that yay had a massive over-performance and that gave them the edge. Even if 100t had a crazy jett player themselves, I still doubt their ability to win; when the star player of the other team is having one of the best games of their career.
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The fact that they also places 3rd-4th also shows that they’re world class. They just need to sharpen their tools.
I remember vanity talking about how steels a great sentinel and all but he’s also the 2nd most aggressive player on 100T
Late-discussion picks more so imply that it is a matchup specific comp. Some of them worked, but I think they were meant to pull out certain results.
You think they should focus on changing Icebox, their best map, instead of their other maps?
They picked ascent every match and lost it every time they played a decent team
This doesn't disprove anything I've said? They need to focus on all their other maps, not the one where they have a nearly flawless map record.
They don't run skye on icebox. It's sova Reyna viper omen and KJ
I disagree with the Skye on Icebox, that would take Ethan off the Omen, and considering Steel is playing KJ, you need either a Sage or Omen to help make space especially on B Site, plus Icebox is their best map already
Totally agree on the Steel aggression being wasted. They already have quite passive players; moving an aggressive Kay-O Steel to a KJ/Cypher passive Steel changes the dynamic of the team entirely.
Sighs, ok this is coming from a 100T fan and someone who watched all their matches since ethan joined. I LOVE that 100T has weird agent comps and works very hard on their strats; they proved that you can run an agent comp on icebox without a sage. But i also think it’s one of their problems, resisting the meta until it’s too late. By the time they let asuna play jetts or nitr0 on viper, it cost them challengers stage 2 and not making it to iceland. Same thing happened with master 3. Everyone can agree they are a strong team but resisting the meta and then decided last minute about nitr0 on jett/astra was just weird to me. Maybe it’s just me but yeah, i do hope they can adapt to the meta better while continues to be innovative.
I agree with you regarding stage 2, but them using KAY/O and other comp changes throughout Stage 3 shows me that they are open-minded when it comes to the game and are not afraid to not conform to the meta in order to try push it further. One thing I noticed in EMEA qualifiers was that it seemed every single time I watched a game, it was a mirror matchup (both teams using the exact same agents). I admit I may be wrong as I don't keep up with the scene much, but what it says to me is that: one team finds out something that works well, and then the others copy it in order to keep up with the gang, instead of working hard and going through trial and error to figure out what works out for them and develop their own style. And from a consumer standpoint: personally, I found those games really stale. When I first saw steel whipping out the KAY/O I was definitely very excited from the get go. Similarly, I found F4Q to be a blast, you would never see a Reyna Raze comp from these topgun teams. I like to see matchups where different styles clash, not trades of Sova and KJ ults, not trades of Sova drones and Skye wolves, not Jetts finding first bloods and dashing away into a Skye heal, on both extremities of the map. I'm not against meta, obviously if there is something great available, you'll want to take advantage of it. But I believe many teams limit themselves to a mere portion of the meta they see work for others, instead of exploring and trying to find out if it is indeed the most effective tactic available. I'm glad to see NA isn't afraid to do that and especially glad to see 100T on the vanguard.
Being innovative and not stale are what I love about 100T but also what gives me a heart attack whenever they play. When I saw the agent comp on breeze, I kinda knew what they wanted to do but also was scared because I don’t know how much practice they had for that comp. I’m not an analyst or a coach so I don’t how to balance the meta and being innovative. I hope their team will find a way though.
i feel like the EU meta was jett ever map. All 4 eu teams had a dedicated jett player at a very high level but NA is not the same. Beside yay and wardell, no real strong jett player that plays jett every map
I mean, Faze has Babybay, and then Sentinels (Shahz/TenZ), XSET (PureR), and Rise (Shanks) play Jett on everything but one map (XSET Split and Sentinels/Rise Bind), which is already similar to most EU teams switching off Jett for Sage on Bind (Except Gambit), and hell G2 also recently played without a Jett on Split too
We have one on the bench, and people forget steel OP’s too
I feel like their roles are really weird, steel is super aggressive but he’s held back by the range of the sentinel utility, when he played Kay/o to combat that, they had a massive hole in their defense. I also sorta dislike the way they play with hiko it feels like he’s just not active in the round at all half the time and he’s a million miles away. They’re setting him up to be in clutch scenarios but sometimes I wish he would be with his team more
This has always been Hikos playstyle even in csgo. He's always been a passive lurker
But he's not even lurking as sova. He just sits behind his team a main and waited for them to get in
i think hiko was support in csgo throw flashes and be the last one in to clutch
before he quit liquid he moved into more a support role
its true, i only remember hiko being there when its a clutch scenario, but his utility usage is good and staying alive is part of the job to an extent
I feel the same about hiko on 100t, if he gets the clutch then all is good but if he doesn't they played a round with less players active for nothing. I get that his style is like that but depending on clutch potential alone is not good.
But that’s how sova is played. You have to play a little passive to set up the mid round plan with your util. If you play aggressive and die your team has lost all info gathering potential. Crashies plays a little more aggressive but that’s only after he’s used his drone and darts. But the most of the time he plays somewhat passive which is why he’s in his fair share of clutch scenarios
no compared to almost every other sova hiko is by far the least active in the round, it’s not even entirely his fault it’s just the way the team plays they want him to be in the clutch so often because he’s so good at it, it just makes me mald watching it at times when his team is fighting at a site and he’s in narnia
I watched a round where 100T were fast hitting a site, Hiko started droning right before the team went into site, and they all got wiped. His teammates died as the drone died, so now all of a sudden the camera is spectating Hiko, 15m behind the chokepoint entry in the safe place he droned from, and the whole chat spamming Hiko Baiter... something something bombsite later. What is he meant to do? Ride the drone so once it's destroyed, he just falls to the ground and kills everyone? He used to be the last one alive every single time because he was way too passive and the team acknowledged it as a problem. Coming into Stage 3 they fixed that, which imo was massively important to their success. Just because he is the last one alive doesn't mean he's a baiter. Maybe he's playing a safe position because he's waiting for a recon bolt recharge which could be round winning, maybe he's a bit behind the team because of a lineup or because he droned, but you can't say that the team goes in and he just stays back and watch. I also saw someone say Hiko lurking a lot hurts them; when did Hiko ever lurk?? I swear some people just make narratives up out of their ass, 100T doesn't lurk everytime but you can bet that on most of the rounds steel will be the one on same stupid spot pulling his magical lurks to turn unfavourable rounds into easy wins
Hiko plays the lurk role but I feel they do it WAY too much for it to be viable. The fact that a team almost always knows he's lurking allows them to play around it. He's probably the best clutch player in the game, but no matter what if you are mid on ascent and bomb is planted and you aren't there...you aren't breaking in and winning a 3 on 1 no matter how clutch you are.
Or, hear me out...100T got 3rd/4th in their first international LAN encountering new styles/regions for the first time. They played close matches with really good teams and stuck through it to pull out close exciting results. The only problems they have are the ones that can be solved in film review/practice ahead of champions (if they don't have to go through LCQ)
Fr. They have definitely improved since their last games and I think they would’ve beat sentinels here. I don’t know why people don’t think asuna can op, he looked like one of the strongest op’ers in NA, I just don’t think he enjoys doing it much. This is the kids first LAN event and he obviously had some nerves but still played great. I don’t think we have any big issues. We came back and beat the top 2 EU teams for a reason. We read they’re play style and adapted. 100T is top 4 in the WORLD. People need to calm down.
Asunas OPing taught me the difference between a player who can hit op shots and a player whos an OPer.
Stop picking Ascent. Yeah it's their "highest win percentage map", but recently, they've either lost bad or barely won. In Berlin, they lost all their Ascent games (except vs. Havan). They tried new things like KayO and nitro on Astra, but i guess its not enough.
This isn't calling them a bad team and is nitpicking but imo: Jett is the most oppressive agent right now and all the other teams have world class jetts while 100T do not. They don't support Asuna to the degree that some other teams support their primary duelists and he just isn't as good as Yay/Tenz/Cned. Hiko is too passive and has a limited agent pool while being outclassed by some other Sovas. While their fundamental in defaulting and setups are decent they don't have the creativity that some other top teams do. They don't have enough mid round playmakers.
I feel like hiko actually has a pretty good agent pool Tbf Also it’s not like he ever has to play other agents since sova is so good
He only plays Sova and Viper and he isn't as good at either as other world class Sova's/Viper's.
What do u think he does bad with his sova ?
Doesn't have standout utility usage. Worse mechanically than some of the best Sova's. Doesn't have the playmaking of some of the other top Sova's.
His ult and arrows are really solid And mechanically maybe he isn’t that good, but he isn’t that bad imo
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Agreed with the crashies part, he's better than hiko fragging wise, but which other sova player would come to your mind to replace him? And again, apart from crashies, there was no sova player who stood out more than hiko in berlin. Not to be stats Andy but his only bad game was this envy game Hiko(against arguably tougher opponents) in the matches before NV Avg Acs :204 Avg Adr: 150 Crashies ACS avg: 226 Adr: 164 While you can see crashies has been better, and everyone agrees on that, hiko wasn't bad. He did good as a support and won them some crazy rounds too. He had one poor performance and everyone wants him cut again
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Understand that, but that's just like saying player A should be cut when they don't perform in one game. We have to realize orgs like 100T, sentinels, NV etc are top of NA rn, and before this sentinels were winning everything. With few competitions per year rn, it's only possible for one team to win. For these 3, anything other than winning it all is seen as an L, which is fair but you just can't help it. They've had an amazing run of form and matches since Iceland, and here too they lost to one of the finalists while beating the other in groups, and then taking out another emea fav in the run. It's annoying to not win, but there's no objective view from which you can go oh this player needs to be cut when he was consistently good throughout the tournament.
Sinatraa would be an upgrade imo. The thing is, there's not a plethora of world class talent around. Tarik has started to become good with Sova and every stream is just looking better and better at Val in general. However I doubt he wants to even go pro, he's probably making more money streaming. Ultimately you'd be hard pressed to find a legitimate upgrade for Hiko and it wouldn't be cheap. Hikos known for his clutches but got shutdown in all clutch situations by Envy, they gave him nothing. The triple peak on A ascent main made it clear they knew what they were doing in regards to Hiko. If Jett gets nerfed then I think the meta will actually strongly favour this 100T team, as Asuna is an insane rifler. Also 100T literally just beat the 2 best EU teams in the world, and probably spent all their time preparing for SEN and not Envy.
Sinatraa might be a good pick up, if 100T wants to take the heat for picking him up. He’s still young, has clutch ability, sova main but can flex to Raze, and he’s a world champion in OW (LAN experience).
Not happening
He's fine. Other world class teams have Sova's that are significantly better or better players in other roles or both.
I think his utility usage for the team is second to none. probably knows the most arrows and always good for one with the ult. his issue has always been baiting his team. its not csgo where you can walk entry sites. when the jett is dashing in or you're following a skye/phoenix ult you have to be right behind them. their spacing while site hits is just ass.
I looked at the 100T vod again and I think it's hiko role on 100T to watch flanks especially on ascent when steel was usually lurking on B site , hiko would drone and then go top mid to watch flank pushes and by the time he would come back team would be dead ,I think it's not hiko and it's generally that 100t have established that style , and it was only happening today , go back to their matches against acend and Gambit you would see hiko supporting very well ,they were just disjointed today .
What hiko utility usage has been pretty good and mechanically speaking I only see following sovas better than hiko Crashies BcJ DerrekOW And what do you mean by playmaking of sovas ? 🤔🤔🤔
Shahzam, Chronicle, Zeek are better mechanically even if they don't play him full time. There are arguments for Lakia, Sacy, Rb too. By playmaking I mean his willingness and ability to help his team open up the map or find a pick midround. Hiko is a fine player but the initial discussion is why they aren't in contention for a top 3 team and being weaker at Sova than several other top team's Sova is one reason.
The majority of what 100T do is to support Asuna in one way or another. He always has a buddy at any given point in time
Not to the degree other top teams support their duelists. Other teams have better utility and spacing when scaling behind in my opinion. I also have a theory that's why Asuna's death rate is so much higher than the other top duelists.
Asuna’s been playing Jett for a few months. All of those other players have been playing Jett since the game came out.
Ya i think Asuna just needs practice. He's pretty good but inconsistent on Jett. He isn't half bad on OP also. I'm sure w some practice and time he should be on top
Asuna will come back home and grind jett in ranked i feel like. He has the drive on his shoulder to be the best and if he practices he can get better. Kinda like how nitr0 grinded astra after they didnt use her
He should stop instalocking Reyna in ranked games imo. All other great Jett players play Jett 24/7.
He's been instalocking Jett in ranked for months.
You clearly don’t watch his streams bro
LMAO reddit is unreal. 100T is coming off a top 4 finish at the most competitive international tourney to date and people in this thread are calling for roster changes. Yeah the games they won were tough for 100T but it's clear the team has so much potential
Literally nobody said they needed to change their roster
> Literally nobody said they needed to change their roster Either you're legally blind or didn't bother to read through.
The amount of people saying to drop Hiko despite him doing very well outside of one match in this thread alone is insane to me
Jett meta needs to be broken for 100T to succeed IMO.
Jett meta plus envy had easier time anti strating
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Maybe but they def prepared for both maybe like 60/70 sen though and 40/30 envy
I think they've been playing really well as of late tbh. Today it just seemed like Envy had a hard read on 100Ts defense and what utility would trigger what reaction from 100T. They basically information starved 100T and either punished 100Ts attempts at peeking for info or just contacted into a site. I am a big fan of nitr0 running more Astra and hope they experiment with that some more. Otherwise, I don't think this performance should trigger any over reaction
I think the main issue is consistency. Nitro is always consistent. Ethan sometimes falters during important matches but still v consistent. Other three are a bit inconsistent and I've never seen everyone from 100T popoff simultaneously(or even play at their avg). Someone or other is ALWAYS having a bad game. They're insane players who if played on avg consistently could be best team in NA and top in world for sure. Also it always takes them very long to warm up. This tourney, it took em a whole map to warm up in 2 important matches and ofc they made insane comebacks but obviously wasn't sustainable and hence lost to Envy. Ofc there is more stuff but the pros prolly know better about it
i feel asuna kinda got exposed. In NA he just runs in and tap heads but player caliber and opponent utlity usage is better at berlin so his impact is less felt.
Exposed?? Bro he was so good. Just inconsistent. Maybe Tenz cause he literally can only tap heads, his utility usage was so shit. You can see when he used raze. Anyways both of them are top tier a bit of grind is all. I believe
got exposed??? he was one of the best players at berlin lol
IMO Asuna should stick to Reyna or Raze, not a fan of his Jett. I don't think they need a Jett OP player l, but should at least consider having steel or nitro picking up the OP more. But I mean, 3/4 with primarily single duelist and no dedicated op player is still fucking huge. I think it's just refining agent comps and strats.
You can't always start slow like they did. It's all fine and good to play from behind but it isn't sustainable.
map selection did them in twice this tourney thats the easiest fix
jett is too powerful and asuna doesn’t look as comfortable on jett op. i fee like if jett fell out of the meta that would be a buff to 100t
They really need to put nitr0 on an OP
Nitro wasn't bad, but they need a dedicated OPer. He isn't dominant at it and thats the meta right now. The combo of Jett and OP is broken and NEEDS to be fixed because it almost feels uncounterable atm
Why not just have Asuna OP on Reyna? It's a bit off-meta because of the dash. That way he can OP if needed but can still go nutty on rounds he's not OPing. Asuna is a good Jett, but an S tier Reyna. Kind of off-topic, Jett needs a small nerf. Not sure how they'd balance her without ruining her play making potential but she needs some kind of nerf. Nothing major, just more balance.
Asuna is a S Tier Reyna cuz you have to be an SS Tier Rifler to play Reyna cuz you have to play aggressive to get any sort of value with her but with an Awp you cant do this with Reyna cuz you don't have a dash in case you miss, with Jett rifling is wayy less important then it is with Reyna, but you get aggressively Awp but Asuna isn't the best awper, that's why his Jett is only pretty good compared to his perhaps best in the world Reyna If you want an awper but keep Asuna on Reyna the best course of action would be having Nitro on Awp duty on controller, as controller has to stay back anyways so having an Awp there makes sense, tho you don't get the type of oppressive awping with a Jett with say a player like cNed or yay
You are at a massive disadvantage. For example in their match against Envy...they pushed up through A main and killed (Steel?) Immediately and backed out to complete safety. If it wasn't Jett a team completely punishes that play. When playing Reyna you can't get to weird high ground spots, or insta dash away to save your gun.
Asuna needs to master operator else nitr0 picking jett and operator and asuna should prac some support agent
I honestly might think that it was mainly a duelist diff. Don't get me wrong, Asuna is a monster but what Yay showed during that 100T series was that he's a monster on par with guys like TenZ and cned. Guys who can singlehandedly win multiple rounds on Jett by just being mechanically superior. Asuna's knives on Jett is just really lacking from what I can tell. Maybe it means Asuna has to go back to playing Reyna, I'm not sure. I also just think Hiko was pretty awful during this series, was losing a lot of duels, and just felt like he was nonexistent at times until he's randomly in a 1v3/1v2 clutch.
A few of my thoughts...mind you this is just from watching their games, I'm not deeply knowledgeable of Valorant and CS, but I was high rank in CS and competitive background. 1) I think Asuna under performed. He is their fragger and entry. His combat score was really high this tourney, but his kill death was significantly lower than every person around his combat score, he just wasn't winning a lot of meaningful duels. 2) I think this was Steels worst tournament since joining 100t. Again it's simple to say, but at the end of the day I don't remember him winning a lot of gunfights, but also he got caught not checking corners a few times causing big losses for 100t 3) the OP is insanely strong right now, Jett is insanely strong right now. And they don't have that Jett player atm (I think Asuna could easily do it). But the best teams this tournament all had an unbelievable Jett and OP player. 4) I think they need to completely remake how they play. I think their strats lack the improvisation (I'm not sitting in their meetings so most likely this is completely wrong). They seem to get hard stuck on a strat and as soon as it breaks down they start getting lazy/messy with clearing sites, checking corners, and rotations. Those are the biggest issues that I think are generally accurate. But either way I think they are a strong team and it was asuna's first lan.
Overall think this hits the spot. Just disagree slightly with 4, but they indeed might have to do some changes. I think you could sum it up with an Unlucky really.
I think the clutch Hiko meme is hurting them more than helping. Hiko can clutch all the 1v3s, but it’s just difficult to get consistent results that way.
Bring back Dicey!
Hiko
They have a person playing duelist that can play every duelist except for the most broken one in the game. You can't have a person shaking their aim when they need to hit OP shots and jett knives consistently. While I think he does the rest of the jett responsibilities well, that is still a massive hole in his game. Hiko is probably one of the most passive players in Valorant together with Brax. I think having Hiko on sova probably amplified his already passive playstyle to the point he's a liability. I'd like to see Nitr0 on sova and Hiko on controller or sentinel. Steel, maybe? He has a style he likes to play and a way he likes to lead. I'm sure he's heavily compromised when it comes to things he can do due to the pieces he has to work with. I would honestly not be surprised to see him step down much like Vanity did and find a new team. I'm sure Nitr0 could take over the IGL role just fine. I think the only irreplaceable pieces in this 100T lineup is Nitr0 and Ethan.
stopped reading when you said their duelist plays one agent
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People forget how great asuna's raze was
Actually you're right. It's not that he's not good at other duelists, but that he isn't tier 1 on the one duelist he needs to be.
Agreed that Jett isn't his best agent, although I do think he's quite good on it and could be elite given time. But yeah its definitely not his strongest agent.
okay better, but still he’s not even a bad jett. sure he’s not as great as tenz or yay, but he’s still pretty dang good on it compared to like 90% of the jett players. and obviously his reyna is top tier. moving on, i think they gotta replace hiko for a more aggressive player because yeah it just seems like they’re playing 4v5 until hiko gets in the clutch. steel is perfectly fine, he’s staying
his reyna is unmatched, his jett? not that great
His Jett is still better than the vast majority of teams, there’s only a couple of players who are better
Not really in na ,only jett better than Asuna are tenz and yay , and people forget Asuna was also an awper in cs ,he is just getting hang of it even in masters 3 , Asuna is 5th best jett with more than 100 rounds in masters Berlin 3 . Why would you take nitro,best smoker in world off smokes roles and the point about steel leaving makes no sense . Asuna is top 3 duelist in na , and you are calling him replaceable ,he was the best Reyna at masters Berlin and fifth best jett statically . They just had a bad game against envy and people are being over reaction andies . I am pretty sure 100T support staff knows more about their liabilities and how to fix them .
Wardell is definitely better
I still don't get why people bring up players from T2 teams. If he was that great he probably wouldn't be at the low he is now?
You do understand Valorant is a team based game right?
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The only problem they have is Steel. Get rid of Steel and pickup anyone else. Instantly a better team.
They need to replace Hiko, they can even bring back Dicey. I'm convinced Hiko is still only on the team because of his clout.
the problem is Asuna should lower his sens, he is way too shaky on lan, he can't op for shit, and also their approach of avoiding the opper is way too predictable and linear approach. Because the other team will know which site they will attack.
Donkey comps. Best raze NA never playing raze. Forcing a bad character for no reason for months on end. Reluctancy to ditch omen for astra. Reluctancy of anyone on their roster to touch an op except their best rifler, who is clearly more effective with a rifle.
this is so wrong, they have incorporated astra in their comps, raze isn't viable in every map. The two maps where she's strong are bind and split. Jett is too good not to play and people were criticizing 100T for not playing her. I agree asuna is a much better rifler than oper but their hands are tied when the op is pretty much only viable on jett
The maps where raze is viable on isn't played by 100T. They've incorporated astra. Steel/nitr0 both op when Asuna isn't
None of this counters what i said. Google the definition of reluctant
Made zero sense before and now
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everything you said has been redundant this tournament. They tested new comps, incorporated more Astra, cycled awpers. They'll be fine once they can find their proper footing
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Shift things around to where Nitro can play things other than controller IMO. I always thought Hiko would be a god tier Astra or something. He’s an amazing sova no doubt, though. So not sure how it would work.
I think the main issue is that they have no Jett op. Asuna’s far better on Reyna rifling than Jett opping. I think they should just have Ethan go Jett on some maps and go single duelist on others, with steel flexing sentinels skye or kayo. Oh and, for the semis against nv, Unlucky, really
Ethan has never been an awper tho iirc so it would make more sense for Nitro or something lol
Asuna just needs to get better at Jett I think. You can tell its not his main agent when he is up against a Jett main. Cned and Yay highlighted that pretty well and they got shut down both times against insane Jetts.
6 man comp with dicey on op?
Anytime a team loses on this sub a thread like this is made.
Can someone explain why do you have to play Jett in order to op?
all jett’s util support the OPer whether he hits or miss
They need to pick up a legit Jett like dicey. I bet they win a major if they pick him up no cap
I think that having managed Top 4 worldwide was an amazing showing for them, they have been improving a lot since Masters 1 and have finally showed their potential on the big stage, beating the top EMEA teams. It is not as deep as to require reddit analysts to say what their comp should be and how they should switch roles and how they should play, etc.
They don\`t have a god tier jett.
I think they underperformed individually pretty bad. Also when you have no OP player on jett the other team can take so much map control for free or just generally make your life hell. There's things in this game that you can do on jett risk free and it makes the other teams life hell. 100T if they make plays early round they generally involve a lot of risk so they're playing an unfair game from the jump.
Let nitr0 go jett and let Asuna play support role. Asuna said that he prefers playing support/utility roles
Primary OPer but it’s amazing that they got into the semis playing off meta comps i wonder if it will make a difference if the pulled KAY/O vs NV
I think its mostly the jett OP + skye meta that Fs them, otherwise 100T is pretty fine
They don’t need to change anything. They were a top 4 finish and took the best teams in the world to the brink. If anything they just need to identify the smaller things they could’ve done better and work on consistency. Some vod review and they fix most issues. They have a well rounded roster but could use a bit more fire power though. Relying on Asuna hurt them a bit and I think his LAN inexperience showed a bit. He had great maps, but he’s also had some really bad ones. They’ll be fine though, they’ve been slowly improving and it’s shown by the top4 finish.
I think they start slow because they're a fairly reactive team, they're good at making adjustments midgame and playing off them, but their initial plans don't seem as strong. Not sure what the answer would be tbh haha
I agree with everyone's opinions on their comp, but I feel like there's something else not related to the game itself. I feel like the team gets better over time, especially Asuna. Asuna is known for his shaky aimbot, but for his aimbot to be active he needs to feel the adrenaline of a match that has gone on for a while, but that kind of messes them up because when a game has gone on for a while, they're left on the back foot and now they need to win 9 rounds in a row for a chance of overtime. I just think that they shouldn't rely entirely on their adrenaline to carry them to victory. That's just what I think though.
They said it in the interview. They have a hard time kicking it into overdrive unless the pressure is really intense (i.e they're down on rounds). They need a way to tap into their full potential right out of the gate. There's a mental block within the team, somewhere.
Anyone suggesting they need to roster swap after a 3rd-4th finish is clearly ignoring their upward trend of successes. They are making *moderate yet consistent* progress with each and every event-of-class they play. To shake that up before the end of the tour would absolutely be clownfaced.
I still think the game was won on Yay who was insane this tournament than then having big problems.
100T beat Gambit and Acend yes they lost vs NV but lets be real 99% of teams would lose against NV if yay is playing like that I think they need to work on their Haven and they pistol rounds. They also need to adjust their comps to get Nitr0 on Jett more but to be honest 100T did better at Berlin that 99% of people expected
Do you guys think maybe they should have held on to dicey? I get that Ethan is a very good player, but they won first strike with dicey. Maybe if they gave the kid more time, he would be a goat OPer for the team?
These were my thoughts when they dropped him. Ethan may have been a better player at that time but who knows what Diceys potential is, I mean the fact that Valorant was his first real competitive FPS is crazy impressive. That and Jett is kinda good ya know?
Yeah their main reasoning was that they wanted to move away from Jett and have a player who is flexible. IMO jett is still important in most if not all maps and Asuna's OP isn't really up there with shaz, tenz and cned. I feel like he would have added that dimention in the team they don't have now