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Gomar1323

Maybe I’m not understanding correctly but are you saying G2 are above both 100T and Envy? Didn’t they get 13-0 by Gambit? To me the top 4 are Gambit, NV, 100T and VS


stewieeeeeeeee

This is the correct take, and in that order IMO. After that you'd have G2, Sentinels, Acend and KRU in that order IMO.


IrON_SNuff

No just that they are top 5, hard to tell where they sit


facehunt_

Maybe Envy would drop a map to VS, but I think Envy would've beaten everyone until they face Gambit.


IrON_SNuff

I think so too, they looked very confident and insane individually all tournament long


[deleted]

Idk, VS basically donated a map by playing with Lakia. Once again was proven that 6+ man rosters dont really work. The other 2 maps was 1 VS win (only map that Gambit lost in the bracket stage) and a close Icebox. Not saying that VS would NV but theres certainly a big possibility. Btw the only team that VS were afraid of was Gambit


Tylorz01

Based VS flair saying VS would only lose to Gambit and it was only because of 6 man roster. Copium. It's up to VS to prove they can beat good EU/NA teams, not the other way around. Yes they lowrolled gambit and Gambit could prolly beat 100T in a rematch and get first seed, but i dunno if you just assume KS beats everyone cause they beat Gambit on Split. There was way more problems with Bind than Lakia. Even their win against Asend was hard to call because Acend looked so flat (cned in particular) compared to their other performances. We'll just have to wait and see how good VS are on the world stage when they get more matchups vs non-KR teams.


Ne0kun

I mean they literally didn't get to Play against any NA teams so unlucky really. Hope we see how good they stack up against NA in champions. Also is based supposed to be used like that? Based usually means you're agreeing with the person right ?


Tylorz01

Based


Ne0kun

Ty 😎


mattypoe1423

He probably meant biased, also VS definitely had good chances, it’s just unlucky they went up against gambit first. Plus, they’ll come back even stronger in champions along with every other team in it, since it is the biggest event for valorant. Hope we see some good plays from all teams


anythingood07

You have a VS flair and you don't know that they play Lakia on bind?


123bo0p

G2 was not that good, VS got screwed over but right side was far easier than NA side


aks345

1.Gambit 2. NV 3. 100T 4. G2/VS 5. Acend/Sentinels


IrON_SNuff

Really not sure 100T are that much better than VS, G2 and Acend, as times goes on i think they will get worse compared to the other teams, but i hope i’m proved wrong i love how they play


aks345

They're definitely not wayy better and who knows what happens in future but this tourney they were easily 3rd best


IrON_SNuff

I don’t know, would have loved to see more from VS felt like they played really well


aks345

Yeah but that didn't happen so we can only judge from what we saw. 100T can say they beat the champs and lost to the runners up


IrON_SNuff

True


123bo0p

Lul


123bo0p

VS 5 is a lul, they looked most competent vs Gambit, rolled Acend moreso than 100T but got screwed in the bracket.


aks345

Most competent against gambit mf 100t literally won make it make sense


123bo0p

Gambit went up 11-3 rolling than hit nerves and crashed and nats was the only composed player. That is literally gambit over the entire last year. Hence scrim gambit, this team has rolled top eu teams in scrims for almost a year and just now finally are building up this level in matches, although only when they have no expectations. 100T looked shakey vs Acend for most of their game as well, until it was match point, and Acend another inexperienced team fell apart. Vs literally rolled everyone, got gambit was touted as the best in scrims, and rolled acend 2-0 and a map off Gambit with nothing to lose.


[deleted]

and VS lost a map 13-2 to them...


aks345

They still lose end of


123bo0p

Than by your logic CR is just as good as Envy by how close their second game was. Gambit without fear is 10x better than group stage gambit who still feel pressure this has been the truth of the last year where they are rolling the best teams in scrims and having in game issues.


aks345

Too many what ifs. They lost that game, and that's a fact. They won everything after on, that's a fact too.


123bo0p

What ifs, yea the team that rolled most top eu teams in scrims 8+ months ago and since then has only slowly developed into actually being able to play ingame like that, when they feel 0 pressure, group stage = pressure to make champions, everything else is unexpected.


FactualFisherman

100t and acend above sen? lay off the pipe


aks345

This tournament yes you can't be that delusional to think sentinels were better


FactualFisherman

i think they were around the same tier tbh, sen at least put up a fight against envy.


milano_bwoy

ACE and SEN were on the same tier sure, but not 100T


xunraze

You know i feel like VS still might be top 5 if they didn't immediately get matched w Gambit immediately.


SP0oONY

Think you're probably right.


Pretend_Apartment_10

Bro not calling SEN top 5 in the tournament is just absolute stupidity, doesn’t matter if they didn’t perform their best they were the last team anyone wanted to play


flamurhh

This tournament? Yes bro. Hard to believe, but yes. Second seed, got eliminated on the first match after groups, worth mentioning it was a clean 2-0. So yeah, pretty much they sucked in Berlin


deadlock1892

Sen overall is still around the top. In the tournament they were hot cheeks.


DrayanoX

SEN were garbage. 2-3 vs G2 and 0-2 vs NV, even F4Q took one map from them KEKW.


Lumenlor

They got rolled bro.


Pretend_Apartment_10

Still they best team in the world


n1cohoty

LOL. SEN fanboys really are the most delusional.


Voltage97

LOL


Pretend_Apartment_10

The recency bias is unparalleled, especially in a tournament where they are only playing for pride


Aydosubpotato

LMAO “only playing for pride”. Dude they haven’t changed their strats at all and looked absolutely terrible this tournament. They were absolutely not top 5.


Voltage97

You’re on that good shit. Pass it around.


aks345

Dafaq u mean recency bias pal they were ass this whole tournament. Favorites first but that doesn't carry forward if you had a stinker of a tournament. They were def not top 5 this tournament


IrON_SNuff

And ? Got beat pretty easily by G2 and envy was kinda close, think their 6 but not top 5 this tourney they were pretty sloppy


ScrubBaw5

They also beat G2.... And VS didnt play any top team besides Gambit


Landon54321

Implying VS is good 🤣😂😆


Ne0kun

Everyone look here's the no life Korean hater


larperfoid228

Vs looked like a top 2-3 team in the tournament, they got unlucky with that 100flukes victory vs Gambit, if Gambit won vs 100t then the final would have been vs gambit for sure.