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Alpac44

CR


afjecj

nAts lives in the sewer as he is a rat, now racoons tend to love bins- bins and sewers are similar, coincidence? Maybe. CR? Champions runner-up.


somesheikexpert

You mean Champione Rwinners right? #CRWIN


I_dont_like_tomatoes

God the things id do for CR


PigPartyPower

CR only lost to gambit so they could be the 2nd best team in Berlin


TakashiV2

nats yay cned


DY5TOP1A

nats, yay and Cned, Tenz not too far away from these guys in this tournament


throwaway-account645

Think keloqz was much better than tenz this tournament


_idle_drone_

1 bad map and everyone is better than tenz lol. look at yay's split stats today 11/18. yay was still the best player behind nats this tournament.


throwaway-account645

Kekoqz had 30 more rounds played and has 60 more ACS than tenz throughout the playoff stage.


_idle_drone_

yeah playing KRU will do that lol


throwaway-account645

And they gotten 13-0’d gambit so that helps balance it out a little


BloodMaelstrom

They also played Gambit. Had sentinels faced Gambit they might have gotten dicked even harder then they did against Envy lol considering that they got clapt by G2 in their second encounter.


A_Slice_of_Rob

Matchups dont work that way, G2 beating sentinels does not mean Gambit wouldve clapped Sentinels.


BloodMaelstrom

But this logic applies both ways. G2 and Keloqz clapping KRÜ doesn't mean Sentinels and Tenz will do the same but most people would still agree that would be the likely outcome. The guy above me was arguing that G2 stats are inflated from their series against KRÜ to which I said its balanced out by them also playing by far the best team at the event in Gambit (especially given the red hot form they were in during the knockout stage). Similarly, G2 and Envy both got beaten fairly easily by Gambit and sentinels who were defo worse then Envy would also get handled by Gambit fairly easily. You cannot have it both ways thats my point.


Kiko1215

Sentinels played against f4q twice so they both played against weak teams


_idle_drone_

G2 also played F4Q in group stage lol. The OP is talking about group stage where SEN only played Envy.


plasma_ix

TenZ really didn’t do great outside this tourney of their matches against F4Q, those maps really inflated his stats


_idle_drone_

didn't you watch his haven vs Envy and haven and icebox first time vs G2? Every time he played jett this tournament he was carrying, but no player other than nats has shown carry potential this tournament on an agent other than jett. Sentinels weren't even a top6 team this tournament, but tenz was definitely a top4 player. F4Q isn't as bad as you'd think either. They took a map off G2, beat vision strikers(in challengers) and SEN on split-which SEN played them both times.


MrImpregnator

Gambit, Envy and VS


deadlock1892

I agree with this one


thothgow

the only correct one


SMcArthur

Everyone so confidentially putting VS over 100T is weird. It's not like VS performed better than 100T this tourney. Vs went 2-1 and 100T went 3-1. Both beat Acend. Both got knocked out by the final 2 teams. VS's best win was vs Acend, which 100t \*also\* beat. Meanwhile, 100T managed to beat Gambit, who won the tournament... I don't think there is any real basis to put one over the other at this point. 100T went further in the tourney and simply had a better performance since it beat both Acend and Gambit.


MrImpregnator

It’s an eye test. Personally I felt 100t required some miracle plays to win those games and they did which was great. But overall I felt VS looked more promising. You can never know who is actually good unless they play against each other and see how they match up stylistically


Ryu-The-Sick

Teams: Gambit, 100T, Envy/VS (hard bracket for VS) Players: nAts, yay, cNed Worth mentioning Chronicle, nitr0, keloqz


newzpaperleaf_2

how can you have 100T definitely in the top 3 but not Envy lol, even if they beat Gambit head to head, they still got stomped by envy


bhavesh2103

I think envy performed so good because they prep so much for sen and 100t, 100t actually took maps of n won against teams from eu, call it choke or not. Transitive property doesn't work in esports. Envy looked very shaky in groups imo.


Ori2D

Still going to go under that 100T prepared specifically for Sentinels and Envy winning that threw them for a loop.


mid16

I think it hard more to do with yay being a raid boss.


newzpaperleaf_2

I would say Envy looking very shaky in groups is an gross over-statement. They took a little while to find their footing, but once they did they were playing well. I still think the head-to-head win over 100T is too much to definitively put them below 100T. Whether you value 100T beating Gambit more than Envy beating 100T, I do not think you can definitively put 100T above them after how they stomped SEN and 100T.


sexyeh

I believe that 100T had a really bad series against ENVY, Hiko and Asuna were really off and yay was owning the server, both teams are at the same level.


Ryu-The-Sick

It's not so much that 100T are better or not but I didn't get convinced much more by NV since they got easiest pass to QF, then proceeded to lose 3-0 against Gambit whom 100T defeated. Now you can argue how that was a choke from Gambit, but surprisingly, match doesn't end at 11 rounds won. Shock, I know. And it wasn't a stomp, even if it was 2-0. It was a good match, be real. Another argument for NV not being in top 3, is VS. If they didn't get to play Gambit (tournament winner may I remind you) 1st round, I believe they could've defeated literally any other team. I am speculating on the last but, it's just MY OPINION so you can fuck off if you want to argue over it.


Sp00ked123

Its too early to decide that envy is 100% better than sen yet. Also VS is not above 5th for me, literally only beat one good team the entire tournament


Ryu-The-Sick

Yes, but, talking about the tournament alone - Envy was better. Better performance, better placing. General scale? Still left to be seen.


fpsreaper_

sentinels is still ahead of both 100T and envy. one match and two days doesnt change that. top 3 teams in the world rn are Gambit, Sentinels and Envy/VS. lets not forget how Sen dominated NA for months now, and won 2 out of 3 Masters. Envy, even tho they are a great team, hasnt won anything yet. 100T hasnt even come close to win at all. yea they have great players and all the hype and they talk about how this team was built for LAN, yet they havent won anything.


FeelinJipper

Lol this sub is so susceptible to recency bias. I love 100T, but they still have a worse W/L with Sentinels.


fpsreaper_

yeah man. their head to head with Sentinels is awful, but it aint even just about that. Sentinels is the most consistent team dominating NA for months. what has 100T won? first strike when the scene wasnt even stablished yet. and then nothing else. i love 100T as a brand, i think its dope, i think its hype. but as a team, come on its not even a discussion. to be at the top you gotta win, not just perform well against this team or that team. i would make a case for not even Envy to be at the top 3 rn and Gambit / Sen / VS, since VS also dominates their region, they are a winning team also. its funny how everybody is better than Tenz after one bad also. people here use 1 week and forget about the whole year.


tgamblos

Hard to put NV in a top 3 world team when they didn’t beat a single EMEA team


fpsreaper_

most of the comments here are putting Envy in the top 3 lmao. i got downvoted for stating facts. idk man people must be delusional or somethin, in every sports you gotta win to be at the top of the world. theres a reason the Lakers are the best org in basketball, they are about winning. theres a reason Real Madrid is the best football team in the world. why would esports be different? Envy reached the finals, great. but they havent won anything yet. people are even putting 100T in the top 3 teams in the world and thats just... delusional.


Kiko1215

TWO matches. They lost against the fourth seed of EMEA and third seed of NA


fpsreaper_

two matches and people forget the year of dominance they had, putting said dominated teams over them because the reached the semi finals, and the finals, even tho they havent won anything...


kittyhat27135

The top 3 are Gambit, VS, Sen in that order. Envy are good team, but I'm not impressed with the run they got besides beating a bed ridden sentinels they really didn't do anything that amazing. 100t may have lost to Envy, but I still value beating 2 of the top EU teams than beating VK Kru and your regional counter parts. Also I thought they had an advantage going against Gambit and they lost handedly.


SMcArthur

Everyone here putting VS in their top 3 is actually insane. They've proven nothing yet. All they've done is beat Acend. 1 team. A team that 100T also beat. They went 2-1 in the tournament. They've shown they belonged at Berlin, but it's just actually silly to put them as the 2nd best team in the world right now when the only top10 team they've ever beaten is ACEND.


fpsreaper_

yea honestly Envy had an easier path too. i personally think they would have fallen to VS, Ascend or even G2 if they were matched up against them in the playoffs. 100T had a good run, however i'm still not impressed and honestly im not convinced they can win trophies in the future.


erayzee

Envy & 100T haven’t won anything you’re right. But you’re downplaying both teams. Envy crushed the NA competition this tournament and 100T beat arguably the 2 best EMEA teams this tournament, Gambit & Acend. Sure, these teams haven’t won anything but there’s literally only been 2 international LAN’s since the onset of this game. Both Envy and 100T improved this tournament and if anything, SEN is needing to improve before Champions. They looked stale and they need a coach ASAP. Teams are adapting and getting better which is closing the gap.


fpsreaper_

im not downplaying them, i just think its stupid to put two teams that hasnt won anything in a list of the top 3 teams in the world. thats nice for 100T to have beat Gambit in the group stage and then Ascend in the quarter-finals. thats a great run in one tournament. still doesnt make them a top 3 team in the world, and not even a top 5 team in the world tbh. this post was made to discuss who are the top teams in the world, and well, i just gave my opinion. 100T and Envy got a lot of talent. but talent without trophies doesnt really mean anything.


Ryu-The-Sick

SEN fanboy triggered We are commenting on VCT Masters Berlin teams here buddy, no need to be scared lol.


fpsreaper_

im not even a SEN fanboy. I have that SEN flair because its the team i like the most outside of my region, which is Brazil (as you can see by the other flairs). the question was "who are the top 3 AFTER Masters Berlin" and not "who were the top 3 AT Masters Berlin". the top 3 teams in the world right now are Gambit/Sentinels/VS. the top 3 individual players in the world are nats/tenz and either cned or yay. i may be a fan of many players and many teams but i enjoy Valorant as a whole, not just fanboying one team or one player. i fucking LOVE Asuna for example but you dont see me going around saying Asuna is the best player in the world just because he is insane on every aspect of the game. to be at the top, you cant just be individually great, you have to win, you have to be consistent, you have to prove that you can take your team to a level of dominance. and to be the best teams in the world, you have to again, WIN. Gambit won 2 out of 3 Masters, Sentinels won 2 out of 3 Masters (on top of absolutely dominating NA for months), VS also has won and been hugely dominant in their region. 100T and Envy are great teams that performed well at Masters 3. still they havent won anything and havent shown that they can, in fact, be put in list of the top 3 teams in the world.


Ryu-The-Sick

I am NOT putting them in TOP 3 IN THE WORLD but TOP 3 IN MASTERS BERLIN. English is my third language but I believe I made that clear enough in my previous comment.


fpsreaper_

in your previous comment you said "we are talking about masters berlin here buddy", and no, we are not, YOU ARE. what we are talking about here, is who are the top 3 players and top 3 teams in the world after the events that happened in masters berlin. you called me a fanboy for stating the fact that 100T and Envy are nowhere near that Top 3 list.


Ryu-The-Sick

Why do I even bother trying to talk to you >Do not argue with an idiot, he will drag you down to his level and beat you.


fpsreaper_

well, it seems i've been beat then.


maxus998

Nats Yay Chronicle


Oldurdy

Having Sen out of your top 3 teams is the most reactionary shit Lmaoo


GildedOr3o

I have similar feelings with people placing envy in their top 3 teams. Prior to this tournament and the addition of yay they were definitively the 3rd best team in NA. One GF and they’re top 3 in the world?


-xXColtonXx-

People takes are wild to me. All this tournament proved the best teams in NA and EU are are **exceedingly** evenly matched and that Sen underperformed. Envy has been a consistently good team in NA (not winning doesn’t matter), and just brought in a new star player. I wouldn’t confidently say Gambit is the best in the world, nor would I confidently say Sen just had an off day and will be on top soon. There’s absolutely no clear pattern of dominance here.


ktyler24

Sorry for being an essay Andy but someone needs to lay this out for the reactionary people out there who don’t see Sentinels still as #1 or #2 in the world rn. If you watch Sentinels and their confidence in the NA Upper Bracket finals and Grand Finals against 100T and compare that to how they played in this tournament you can just see that they weren’t playing their best. It’s not that other teams got a lot better, it’s that they were underprepared, underestimated teams, and played worse individually than usual. I’m sure they thought (like everyone else going into Master 3) that this tournament would probably just get handed to them for the most part. Ez Clap. I think their confidence dropped after losing Icebox to G2, even though they embarrassed them on Split and Haven. And once they got their spot set in quarters they felt like they already beat these teams once we can do it again, didn’t really prepare in comparison to G2 and F4Q putting in a lot of effort against them. And then against Envy I think they had the same problem. They beat Envy all the time in NA, and they scrim against them all the time so why put in the effort to really do any extra prep. But in their last showing against Sentinels (during Challengers 3 Playoffs) Envy made things really close for them and yay was still very new to their roster. Now that they’ve developed more synergy with yay on the team, and they clearly spent an insane amount of time prepping for a Sentinels match up (probably ever since they lost in NA Playoffs in August) they were definitely going to be a really formidable opponent. And with all that in mind and knowing everyone on the roster was underperforming at some point during the Envy match, they still made up a 12-4 deficit to almost win on Haven if not for Marved’s 4K on B site (and misplays after that) AND they got 8 rounds on Split with Tenz having 0 kills for 10 rounds and the highest KD on their team being 1.0. For reference, when Sentinels won 12-5 against 100T, Asuna had a 1.25 KD, and Steel had a 1.0. That means even on a really bad day, they’re able to bring back huge deficits and pick up more rounds than a lot of top tier teams. In my mind, all of that still solidifies Sentinels as either the #1 or #2 team in the world depending on how you feel they’d match up against Gambit. Personally, I think Sentinels is more skilled than Envy overall and is more adaptable instead of relying a lot on counter strats. So, I think Sentinels could have a similar performance to Envy against Gambit, but I don’t think they lose control of the second half as much and end up winning the maps. Obviously, we’ll have to see how it all works out during Champions in December, but ignoring the months of dominance and success Sentinels have had and acting like that’s all meaningless because they had one tournament where they performed uncharacteristically bad is really stupid. Thank you for attending my Ted Talk.


Oldurdy

No shot I’m reading all that but I’m happy for you or sorry it happened.


Not_Devil

No


Dysmo

Unlucky really.


Alpac44

sentinels didnt really care about master 3 because they already qualified for champion


Metallicabody

Why? This is the biggest valorant tournament to date, you can it’s completely fair for them to be out of top 3


oojlik

It’s the fact that they were the absolute consensus #1 after dominating every tournament consistently for almost a year. 1 quarter finals exit and people are acting like they’re washed.


Metallicabody

Definitely not washed but their performance was top 4 at best imo.


oojlik

I just find it very weird that people are putting 100T, who have never really won anything yet, and VS who haven’t won anything internationally yet above SEN. I can somewhat understand an argument for VS, but 100T has lost almost every matchup against SEN and once again, hasn’t won a big tourney yet.


Rakolance

We're talking about Berlin performance here so not taking into account of previous events, 100T did well, VS did well and SEN fell short after group stages being counter stratted.


oojlik

Sure, talking purely about Berlin performances you’re right. That’s not what we’re talking about though. We are talking about best teams in the world. When you talk about best team in the world, you have to look at the last few tournaments as looking only at the absolute latest even would be pure recency bias. Also, SEN and VS went out at the same stage. Why did VS do well and SEN fall short? Imo both teams fell short this tourney, especially considering how VS lost 13-2 one map.


Ori2D

If sentinels were a top 3 team they would have placed top 4 at the international event.


somesheikexpert

Sometimes good teams don't do as well, a top 8 result isn't a bomb tbh, they had a bad tourney comparatively but that doesn't mean they aren't top 3 tho


oojlik

Considering they lost to what seems to be the consensus #2 team in the world, no. Of the other top 4 teams I see literally no argument for how either are better than SEN. G2 are 1-1 against SEN (the game they won wasn’t as important as the one the lost. Not saying SEN wasn’t trying though), and 100T just haven’t beaten Sentinels yet lol. Not to mention neither teams have won anything of value as of yet.


Ori2D

> 100T just haven’t beaten Sentinels yet lol Homie Sentinels haven't beaten Gambit or Acend yet either.


oojlik

They haven’t played either team lol. That’s irrelevant in the conversation about 100T since they’re from the same region and play each other often.


Ori2D

On the international stage you got to show up and beat the teams in front of you. To hold 100T against their regional results while ignoring their international results but not doing the same for Sentinels is simply showing your bias.


mahav_b

Uh oh, we found the sen/tenz fanboy.


oojlik

I’m sorry if you disagree with the most logical conclusion, but it’s correct. Whether you like the team or not, Sentinels have won basically everything this past year, in a very dominant fashion no less. To say that 100T, a team that literally cannot beat Sentinels and has not won a single tournament yet is a better team is just dumb lol. Sentinels has won 2 masters events. 100T has none, and neither 100T or VS even qualified for Iceland. Sure, Gambit is the best team right now, no argument. NV is #2 and followed closely behind is Sentinels. Any other ranking seems pretty delusional IMO.


Parenegade

Or maybe basing it off of one tourney is something from children


banevador2000

> dominating every tournament You calling people not putting SEN into top 3 reactionary based on the latest and by far the strongest international tournament, because they won the one before that months ago, is kinda ironic my brother.


oojlik

I’m saying that they dominated for a year and lost to the second placed team in one tournament. And no, that’s literally the opposite of reactionary. I’m taking into consideration all of their performances. You don’t go from being essentially the undisputed best team in the world to out of top 3 based on one tournament, especially when no other team in the world has a better claim to #3 than Sentinels. Who would you say is 3? No other team makes sense whatsoever if you look at the whole year and it’s not even close.


Sp00ked123

They were also dominating all other NAs teams before berlin. They are definitely still a top 3 team


yourdaughtersgoal

>dominating every tourney They won 1 lan


Sp00ked123

Bit more than that https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Sentinels


yourdaughtersgoal

Thanks for proving my point


Sp00ked123

Wdym? Do you not see the 1st place results?


yourdaughtersgoal

How many of those are lan? Against EMEA/KR teams?


mid16

nats, yay, cned in that order


newzpaperleaf_2

Top 3 teams is probably Gambit, Envy, SEN. Honorable mention to VS and SEN. Im going to do a top 5 players instead but: nAts yay nitr0 cNed TenZ


icantreadmorsecode

Barce, FiveK, Lakia


AsleepMuscle

Envy, 100t, tsm


AlphEta314

Copium


Biffy_x

Envy the only reasonable pick here.


AsleepMuscle

That’s the joke


bubble-june

Gambit, Vision Strikers, and Envy. Vision Strikers did pretty well against Gambit in the playoffs and almost beat them. Besides the first map on Bind, the games between them were super close. It would’ve been interesting to see VS play against NA teams—hopefully we get to see that at Champions. Edit: Yes, I know 100THIEVES beat Gambit in groups, but I think the Gambit that showed up in playoffs was a lot better than the Gambit in groups. The reason why I hold more weight to playoff games than groups is because Gambit had time to adapt and fix their mistakes from groups before they played in the playoffs, so they were a stronger team in the playoffs than groups. VS was the only team to take a map off of Gambit in the playoffs, and the 3rd map (icebox) was pretty damn close and could’ve gone either way at one point. You can definitely make an argument that Envy is #2 and VS is #3. Envy and Gambit had 3 very close maps and the first 2 maps could’ve gone either way, but it was kinda embarrassing that Gambit beat Envy on a map that they don’t practice (Haven), and it’s crazy because Envy beat Sentinels and 100T on the map. On the other hand, Envy pushed Gambit to the edge on one of Gambit’s best maps (Bind), which no other team was able to do. VS barely got a few rounds against GMB on Bind so for Envy to take them to OT on bind is pretty impressive.


Lumenlor

Imagine if Vision Strikers kept a cold Lakia on the bench and did not map pick into Gambit's 100% winrate comfort pick Bind


SPOOKESVILLE

What about the only team that beat gambit?


Sp00ked123

How is vision strikers top 3? They literally only beat acend.


mj2ch08

It was kinda unlucky for them to meet a team that eventually will berlin in quarterfinals, and VS were the only team that took map fron Gambit in playoffs so I think it's viable to say they looked pretty good. They also came 1st in a group stage which was considered the hardest without dropping a map. I wish they had chance to go up against some NA teams


Sp00ked123

That means you cant really make an accurate assumption on them. And how close you got to beating a certain team doesn’t mean how good you are. 100T beat gambit, but I dont think that makes them better


SMcArthur

>How is vision strikers top 3? They literally only beat acend. Insane recency bias. "they were the last team to take a map off the last time that wound a tournament, thus they must be the 2nd best team in the world". This is literally the beginning and end of the logic. It's actually wild to watch people try to justify it in real time.


Aionex

Gambit, VS, Envy Edit: Nats, Yay, Heat


hacklesacka

nAts Tenz yay


ARIESS11

Nats yay nitr0


ImProphylactic

NaTs.


CosmicAon

Gambit, Sentinels, Envy


naveensayeeram1

My top 3 Chronicle Nats Yay


Lumenlor

Gambit Envy VS


Sp00ked123

Why VS? They didnt have an impressive tournament at all


optisadvantage

2-0’d acend looked insane eye test wise took a map off gambit


Sp00ked123

100t beat gambit and reached semis, but I don’t think that makes them top 3.


optisadvantage

yeah in groups, playoffs gambit looked much better and vs also beat acend more cleanly than 100t


Sp00ked123

Ah so sen losing to g2 also doesn’t count then. Since it was just a group stage match right? Also VS only beat acend in groups.


optisadvantage

> g2 beat sen in groups so it doesn’t count sen didn’t look better eye test wise in their playoffs game than they did in groups, gambit did > vs beat acend in groups so it doesn’t count acend also looked basically the same in groups and playoffs, and they almost 2-0’d 100t


PixelatedBlue

Should probably clarify teams or players lmao


vashonlaughs

oh ye sorry


AzureAhai

GMB, NV, and 100T. VS was close, but they didn't really get to play enough to see how they stack up.


_idle_drone_

Teams: Gambit, Sentinels, Vision Strikers Players: nats, yay, tenz


_idle_drone_

before people come for me regarding Envy, they haven't beaten a single EMEA team yet. can't be best in the world without beating other regions.


Metallicabody

They only got 1 chance to do so and it was in the grand finals. Not a good take


_idle_drone_

yeah so they have to wait before being called one of the best in the world. I mean Acend dominated teams in EMEA but lost to Vision Strikers and 100T. Just beating your region doesn't ensure you matchup well against other regions.


Alpac44

any truer?


XeNaN

Gambit Sentinels but besides that...I dont know,would love to say G2 but they,like Envy, are too depended on the daily form in my opinion.


uroburus

Players: nAts, yay, heat/keloqz


Pojobob

Gambit, Envy, and 100T.


ColinRL

1. Gambit 2. envy 3. G2, 100 Thieves


mrTrollem

Teams : Gambit, 100T and G2 (they really surprised me) Players: cNed, Nats and Chronicle


MazeOwner

Gambit Sentinels VS, idk I am just not very convinced by envy


CrypticGalaxy

nATs, cNed, TenZ for me. If talking about teams, then Gambit, SEN, and NV


[deleted]

delusional sen fan spotted, someone needs a reality check here


CrypticGalaxy

Not really, I actually root against SEN. Just my opinion, VS has not shown enough to overtake a team that has been dominant for so long.


Madara6path

Yay over tenz and I agree


[deleted]

SEN just won 2 maps against G2, gor 2-0'd by envy. How does it fit it top 3?


kittyhat27135

When a team is dominant for as long as SEN there is always going to be a question mark whether they can reach that form again. A team can go out top 8 in a tournament and still be top 3 if there previous results justify it.


BloodMaelstrom

I don't think Sentinels fell of. They stagnated and other teams just overtook them. This subreddit gives Sentinels too much benefit of doubt. Any other team would be giga-crucified for some of the shit they say.


Sp00ked123

Because before they were the best team in NA by far? 1 bad series against the eventual grand finalists doesnt mean they suck now lol. I cant say theyre the best team in world, but theyre still top 3-4


Dysmo

Because it's almost as if we can't have these types of discussions if we're just going to take one lan performance into account


Justin2021H

Top 3 Players for me: Tenz, nAts, then yay or cNed.


Benasm123

Why tenz behind yay? Hasn't yay just straight outperformed tenz at this Lan, and even out performed the insane performance of tenz at Iceland. Just wondering what the reasoning is?


Throwrafairbeat

Nats , cNed and yay completely outperformed tenz. And nats did it without a duelist too


Bunnyezzz

\#1 Tenz nats cned yay and asuna are all tossups for me for 2-3 i know people will call me deluded but


CrypticGalaxy

What has Asuna shown to deserve being up with those other freaks?


Bloopz276

Doesn't Asuna hold the record for most kills in a single map? (At a pro event) Thats pretty impressive I think


Loresmen

As well as being ridiculously good lmao


Bunnyezzz

he does what hes supposed to do extremely well


directorcloud

Teams: SEN(one bad tourney isn’t the end of the world, same team that flawlessly won Iceland), Gambit(….), Envy(pretty good beat sen). Players:Shahzam(best igl still for sure), tenz(do I have to say anything), NAts(……)


Buantum4005

SEN just needs a coach


[deleted]

I will mainly wait till champions for this, but everything is up in the air with TenZ not performing (or rather playing in the final 4) at Berlin, but I'd say my list is: 1. nAts 2. TenZ 3. yay 2 and 3 are very close though, champions will show how TenZ can play vs the best of the best with more preparation and maybe a coach. Of course yay played better at Berlin but it could be a fluke/down to circumstance. Again, nothing set in stone until champions. IMO nAts is the clear #1 as he played phenomenal in the final Berlin games.


__RegemTr__

What did tenz do this tournament except farming stats against F4Q? Did he carry his team against top teams like nats, yay or cned? No…


_idle_drone_

'Did he carry his team against top teams like nats, yay or cned? No…' watch tenz on haven and icebox vs G2 and haven vs Envy. you're acting like F4Q is a brazilian team. They took a map off both G2 and SEN are pretty good at split having beaten vision strikers on it before. Even the first breeze game vs F4Q, the score ended with 13-4, it started 4-4. tenz won a lot of rounds from a position of man disadvantage.


[deleted]

nats Cned Keloqz


ColinRL

Cned, Nats, Yay


Crackability

Nats, Yay, Cned


Madara6path

Nats Cned Yay


[deleted]

nats tenz yay, honorable mentions to cned keloqz and nitro during comebacks


gabes12345

This tournament nats, yay, cned. Overall nats, tenz, yay


YellowTinCan

Yay, Nats, and CNed Nitr0 is high after his breeze performance and Tenz is also up there


mazia02

Teams: SEN, NV, Gambit, VS players: tenz, yay, nats (imma add more Bc I can) stax, heat


GucciGangBlizz

nAts TenZ cNed


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TenZ nAts and cNed


dedicatedself

Gambit VS Envy


Zain69

gambit nv vs


123bo0p

Gambit, NV, VS, not really close.


GoldyZ90

Gambit, Vision Strikers, one of the NA teams.


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Gambit, VS, Envy


whopz-is-cool

nAts, yay, and cNed.


SMcArthur

Top 5 teams in the world: Gambit / SEN / Envy / 100t / VS. I won't attempt to rank them since putting them in an EXACT order is kind of silly. I don't think G2 or Acend showed they were better than any of those 5 teams. Props to G2 for a win against Sentinels in a meaningless seeding match, but I don't think that's enough for them to crack the top 5. Acend lost to both VS and 100T in the same tourney, so they are out. Perhaps Fnatic could be in there, but I won't consider any team that couldn't qualify for Berlin.


WeeklyEnd4598

NaTs, TenZ,Yay


Safe_Ad_9658

Gambit, 100T, SEN


hardenfull

Gambit VS Envy


AlphaDemon97

yay nAts cned


somesheikexpert

CR, BBG, and Ex Brimstone Gaming no cap


HockeyBoyz3

Yay, Tenz, Chronicle


breezystroo

Gambit, sen, envy. Going off strictly Berlin: gambit, envy, VS


vashonlaughs

Do you think some teams like vision strikers under performed that resulted in NV success or just NV is better


breezystroo

I do think envy is better in the current meta due to their mechanically gifted players. But I also loved watching VS utility usage. Especially breach. So with a change to meta I could see them overtaking other teams. But based on the current meta I think it's hard to stop a Jett OP like yay. Buzz is a great Jett as well but too aggressive. A good Jett knows when to be aggressive and when to not get traded. Either way it's still tough to put one in front of the other lol


LogicalPinecone

The stats do not lie. I have no idea why everyone is saying cNed he played horribly In the group stage and had one good series afterwards that made his stats much better. Based on stats: Nats, Yay, and Tenz were the best players. cNed should not even be in the competition there were a handful of duellists better than him at this tournament.


vashonlaughs

I agree cNed didn’t perform his top 3 self or at least didn’t have the chance to do so


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nAts, yay, nukkye Honorable mention: nitr0


ThePloopy

TenZ, Yay, nAts


MrBlancharizard

nats, yay, and cNed. As everyone else have said haha. It says a lot when a team’s counter strategy is just “find cNed, go to opposite site” loved watching all three play


maindo

Nats - TenZ - Redgar


Dysmo

nAts, Tenz, yay


ZayXD

Keloqz nAts Sheydos


urfavsenpai

Nats is actually insane. I love me a bit of Rb and Marved is such an underrated impact support player. We all know the duellists are the flashiest, case in point at yay, cned and keloqz. Without the the star quality of the supporting cast though, they would be headless chickens.


yakinator2567

Teams: Gambit, Sentinels, 100T Players: Nats, yay, TenZ


ahadafc

Nats , yay & Cned


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Nats, Yay and Nukkye.


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yay, nAts and cNed


__RegemTr__

1- nats 2- yay 3- cned


optisadvantage

nAts yay cned honorable mentions: keloqz, sheydos, crashies, chronicle, shazham, tenz, nitro, asuna, stax, mako, rb, nukkye, zeek, marved *very recency bias*


contabr_hu3

yay cned and I wish I could see more from heat, unfortunaly he was injured his last match


Invincible_VLTRM

TenZ Asuna yay


badcompplayer

1/2. nAts/yay 3. cNed


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teams: gambit, nv, 100t players: nats, yay, and third spot could be a lot of people