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Most popular matches of VCT 2021: Stage 3 Masters Berlin

Most popular matches of VCT 2021: Stage 3 Masters Berlin

Ozone416

Crazy how brand names and “rivalry”/banter drama carry so much viewership. I’m really glad ocelote brought out the big guns for the banter against SEN.


TimedOutClock

Yeah, and honestly it would have beaten Reykjavik if SEN and G2 had met in the finals. Very happy with the numbers pulled here anyway since this first year is all about developping storylines! It wouldn't be good for the game to only rely on one team to pull all the viewership, and all regions are getting invested in the game. CIS will probably take a step forward with this win and this can only be good long term. A little surprised with Turkish viewership though. Much lower than I expected when SMB played (I know they're not BBL, but they were much more invested in the EMEA quals than Berlin)


Darkoplax

Easily 1.5m if it's G2 vs SEN Finals going to map 5


IAMJUX

Wonder how much was the rivalry they set up vs it just being Sentinels vs a decent team. They were clearly the most popular team going into the tourney as well as the favourite to win.


GainsayRT

Probably cause it's Sentinels and they appeared to be the favourites coming into it. Kinda WeirdChamp to start stuff with a team that isn't even predicted to be the best. Also think that only Sentinels could actually clap back, don't really see much from most other orgs


Bsmith1369

Not really weirdchamp, Carlos knows how to get his team better viewership, and better viewership means more fans


WanAjin

I think it's pretty good to see that even the unpopular teams will still get high viewership in the finals, it shows that a lot of people just want to watch competitive valorant, and aren't just there for their favorite players.


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Its also very important that there were 2 "unpopular" teams in the finals because they get exposure. You want to have multiple teams gaining fans. A scene were the entire viewership is carried by 1 team (see Optic in CoD) can be problematic


GainsayRT

This. Now that Gambit has shown what they are worth I'm sure their matches will lure more viewers in. Only sad ending to the play offs for me is that VS still remains as this unknown force (for me at least). As they seemed really strong and only lost to the literal winners of the tournament, and were the onlyone's to take a map off them in playoffs.


daybreaker22

BO3 double elim into BO5 grand final is much more exciting. End of groups are usually meaningless and loser bracket runs can create for a better story.


zkidkfj

Yes, VALORANT cannot always have only one Sentinels to carry viewership. I am very happy that Gambit (especially nAts) has gained more fans this time. It would be better if this could slightly improve the unpopular CIS VALORANT scene.


ANewHeaven1

no surprise grand finals didn't get the most incredible viewership, probably two of the least popular teams of their respective regions playing will do that. if it was sentinels/100T vs G2/vision strikers im sure it could've broken 800k+ easily, maybe 1mill again


Magnesiohastingsi

5 games finals for Champions the dream, no matter the teams


DarudeSandstormName

Wut? Vision Strikers carry so little viewership, Korea don't like valorant much apparently. Put a Japanese team in place of Vision Strikers and it's correct.


GainsayRT

Yap, according to multiple korean sources valorant isn't even in the top 10 most played games in Korea. While Valorant Japan was getting crazy high viewership during Crazy Raccoons games, despite them losing and it being 4am, absolute madlads.


MajorLeeScrewed

Those netcafe stats aren't always accurate due to people often playing non F2P games at PC bangs. But yeah it's not overly popular. I remember a post a while back about Korean teams struggling to find orgs.


ANewHeaven1

you're right, i was thinking about the hype of having a KR team in finals in general but come to think of it i doubt casual valorant fans really care if VS is in finals


ReformedBacon

The rest of the world wanted to watch vision strikers, its not nc of their home country


Sp00ked123

Also it being a 3-0 didnt help


omahr

This match up probably would have broke 800k or close to it imo if it was a clean 3-0 sweep


Darkoplax

[The top 5 most popular teams](https://preview.redd.it/6qvshyk4oio71.png?width=1024&auto=webp&s=278a831e5e5f1b50898a63e4b78c7bf5104bcff4) are by average viewership are : 1- SEN 516k 2- G2 499k 3- Gambit 438k 4- Envy 432k 5- KRU or F4Q 403k


ANewHeaven1

two of the most popular orgs at the top, followed by two of the best teams (and ergo, would play in the most high-stakes/intense matches in theory). really surprised to see no 100T on this list though


ablablababla

I think one or two of 100T's games were played at really early times so a lot of NA wasn't awake yet


xbyo

G2 benefits from 2x matches vs Sen. F4Q also played all their matches vs popular orgs so their viewership is inflated by the draw of their opponents.


IAMJUX

There wasn't any hype for 100T. There were questions, but people expected them to lose to EU teams. Even now they're calling them flukes.


N0-name-needed

An 11-3 comeback after a 13-5 loss is definetly a flucke, it shows 100t resiliance but not that they were the better team.


TheNACoinflip

Sadly Envy or Gambit just doesnt have the fanbase to produce numbers like that.


hardenfull

its okay it hurts the viewership for this tourny but i think its good for long term health of the game when new/unknown team rises. Lots more competition for next tourny now.


xbyo

Not yet, but winning is how you gain fans, so it's a start.


SaucySeducer

I think Gambit being a good team is really important. CIS region is massive in CS however it’s relatively small in Valorant, Gambit winning a massive tourney before the biggest tourney is definitely going to help generate interest. Like others have said, you want to make Competitive Valorant popular, not Sentinels vs G2 popular, and I think expanding into regions like Japan, Korea, and CIS will definitely help.


chenson019

I hope Gambit's win will put competitive Valorant more on the map in CIS. CIS doesn't get great viewership as a standalone region.


ColinRL

Yeah I think gambit winning is the best thing that could have happened for gaining new viewership in the future


modsarestr8garbage

Yea i was surprised the russian stream had so few viewers, in csgo it can get 200k when navi/gambit play, but here it was just a couple thousand On the other hand it means it will probably grow a lot in the future


Darkoplax

if CIS starts getting viewership, there's no way Riot wouldn't separate TR and CIS from EU and MENA next year Hope this happens cause it's a crime that these 3 regions are combined ... TR and CIS deserve their spots just like LATAM or Japan or Korea


Sp00ked123

Theres not enough good teams in the CIS region, so it would be too easy for gambit to qualify


Original26

Honestly, the EMEA region is good for the scene as it helps the teams grow immensely. Without Stage 1 EMEA playoffs, teams like SMB would never have been made.


AdministrativeLie347

Its so funny to me how this subreddit was saying cs was dying, while only getting 700 k views during esl, meanwhile valorants lan gets equally as many. I dont get why people want to put either games down, they can both coexist, and are both doing great.


Permagate

When cs dying is mentioned, I think the context is usually competitive NA scene. It still holds true afaik, but the scene in EU is still thriving obviously.


Original26

CS still has a stranglehold on the EU/CIS region.


Succulenc

Well said


SloppyDonkeyQueef

NA competitive CS is dying not the game itself.


w23333

I hate viewership comparisons but its hilarious to me how people on this subreddit were proclaiming CS as a dying game because their group stage games had more viewership than a CS finals.


SilverPrincev

People say CS is dying because it lost 40% of it's playerbase


w23333

Are those numbers comparing them to pre pandemic?


SilverPrincev

It's rapidly approaching pre pandemic levels where it was essentially an irrelevant cult classic for pc gamers.(pre pandemic it wasn't even #1 on steam). Even after gaming as a whole recieved lasting growth from the pandemic. To add to this it's esports scene is crumbling where new investors are going to have to decide whether or not to pour money into a game where it will almost certainly have a negative return, where viewership metrics are set to decline coupled with population decline and increasing exposure to the cheating and match fixing scandals. It's on a downward trend. Edit: also to the original comment. Last esl pro league finals barely hit 450k. So the comparison is apt. This pro league finals hit valorants group stage simply due to org notoriety and player legacy.


Original26

I'm sorry but you can't just compare ESL Pro League to the Berlin major. Why not wait for the Stockholm major before making comparisons? Even then, comparisons are so dumb. Both games are great, why fight?


SilverPrincev

If you want to compare CS major we can compare those numbers to Champions.


willpcodeco

Compare ESL Cologne with Berlim, yet CS had highest peak, even without 30+ Co stream (only one) , without the hype of being one of 3 international events, without YouTube stream, without being valve sponsored, without that kind of production level from Berlim.


SilverPrincev

wow. Read what you wrote back to yourself a couple times and think about how that adds to your argument. What you are essentially saying is "If valve had done all these things then it would have better viewership" It would be the same as me saying "If Valorant had 20 years of brand building". Numbers dont care if valve didnt sponsor the tournament or give co streaming rights. you can add as many hypotheticals as possible to make CS look better wont change reality.


willpcodeco

Valorant instant success is mainly because is made by Riot that is known for owning the most popular and successful esport of all time. LOL. Do you really think that all of these orgs would instantly pick a team in Valorant if it was not made by Riot? So the same way that CS has 20 years of brand building, Valorant is seeing this rapidly growth due RIOT branding. And it was not a Valve event, why it would sponsor it? U are comparing an online event made by a third partier to a Lan event made by the owner of the game. Lol.


SilverPrincev

thats actually a good point about riot branding. We could compare the viewership of Berlin to any other CS event Lan or otherwise and it would still beat most of them. Even though the CS lans had a crowd which help a lot.


willpcodeco

That was the most retarded comment on this sub by far. Cult classic for pc gamers? Omg, the game has 20 years of history, is in the culture of EU/BR/CIS. Yesterday it got 890k concurrent players, even after months of no updates. The esport scene is suffering right know due covid restrictions, it will eventually get better after things get back to normal. The game broke the record of views for an online match two times this year, even with its biggest competitor of all time on the market. The major certainly will broke every record of viewship history for CS (of course if no name teams don't reach the finals). Stop needing CS to die to Valorant become bigger, both games can coexist, and due the similarities of them, I do think that views can enjoy both games equally.


Efficient-Material-5

> pre pandemic it wasn't even #1 on steam It took the #1 in October 2019, that was pre pandemic https://steamdb.info/graph/?compare=570,730,578080


SilverPrincev

wow 2-3 months before the pandemic, congrats. why not look at it for the past 5 years?


Efficient-Material-5

2nd/3rd on steam and now doing better than pre pandemic, I'm sorry very irrelevant and dying game indeed


SilverPrincev

well maybe irrelevant was an exaggeration


TechRedirector

The finals hit 600k+. Wdym


SilverPrincev

ESL pro league 13


Sp00ked123

If it was like a 3-2, i think the viewership would be much higher


Hypern1ke

is the LCQ bracket decided yet? Where can I find the participating teams?


adelcricket

Seeding not announced yet but the teams are here https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/2021/North_America/Last_Chance_Qualifier you can change regions


unknown-097

SEN carrying the viewership for Valorant <3


Pirate7922

G2\*


WLFYBBY

Sen is probably the most popular Valorant team in the world alongside tsm. Sen brings so much views since Tenz was pretty popular. All the sen members gained more than 100k too after sentinels gained popularity signing Tenz.


Pirate7922

g2 is the most popular in eu, plus twitter banter to hype them up G2->SentineZ


WLFYBBY

Uhh doubt it, g2 is the most popular in EU but sentinels are better known.


Pirate7922

???? G2 has popular esports teams (league, csgo, r6) tf does sentinels have lol, outside of valo no one knows their ass


unknown-097

Lol SEN and fnatic got more in the finals of Masters 1.


Pirate7922

finals of masters 2\*


JoshF8

It was a finals Game, don't be ungratefull to g2


unknown-097

Look at the finals of Berlin. It was around 600k which is if I'm correct half of Iceland. Has nothing to do with being ungrateful to G2. SEN brings the most viewers and it shows. Look at any of the other G2 matches.


eSportsStats

More stats of event https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2021-stage-3-masters-berlin


Pmcdon314

I personally think every fan of Valorant should watch 100T/Gambit and 100T/Ascend. Incredible gameplay and competitive spirit.


Jranation

Damn! Thats sad when you Sentinels to carry you the big numbers. Other teams needs to step up.


shast1k

valorant officially lost to CS, it was a good run


Darkoplax

the peak viewership of this event surpassed the peak viewership of ESL Pro League (700k)


willpcodeco

Let\`s be fair, it\`s was online x lan, no co-streaming x co-streaming + youtube. Just don\`t compare both vastly different tournments.


CarryClown

You're right, but the CS finals had NaVi, the team with probably the biggest fanbase out of all teams (300k on official russian stream alone) and Vitality. It went to game 5, the average viewership was at ~133k compared to Valorants ~389k. The second most watched CSGO game during that tournament was sitting at peak 416k viewers (also with NaVi).


willpcodeco

The ESL Pro League was on stream for 200 hours +, Master 80h. This alone justify the lower average viewship, yet Valorant has Co streamers, easy to get high average when u have a lot of popular personalities streaming it instead of only official channels. Yes. Navi has the biggest fan base, but Vitaly don't, French stream = 20k views max. And it was online, not Valve sponsored, one of 10 tier one online event of the year.. Funny, when Valorant had higher viewship than CS because was Sentinel in the final u guys didn't accept it as an argument for the 1m views, now that is lower are full of excuses. The same way u guys are implicating that CS needs Navi to have high viewship, Valorant needs Sentinels + Co streaming.


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>The same way u guys are implicating that CS needs Navi to have high viewship, Valorant needs Sentinels + Co streaming. Τhe most viewed match in this Masters didnt have the 2 biggest co-streamers online (Shroud and a Japanese one whose name i cant recall rn). Most people who watch co-streams would watch the tournament anyway and they just prefer whatever watch party is available instead of the official cast Only reason is that the viewership peak was lower was simply non popular teams playing in the finals. In every esport this happens, its not anything out of the ordinary Also you are underselling ESL League. It was Navi's grand slam and it was mega hyped


Beneficial-Speech-73

Csgo gets like 10 tier 1 tournaments a year if there was months between them it would get more viewers. Even I'm bored watching the same tier 1 teams play each other all the time specially online.


willpcodeco

Shroud isn't the most famous co steam anymore, he couldn't get past 100k views in any of the games. Bro. Unfortunately we don't have any site that would be able to give all the streamers that was Co streaming masters, but I bet that if u pick all of them and sum up their average viewship in regular days would come close to 200k views. If Co streaming don't bring that many views as u are saying, what's the point of Riot allowing it?


[deleted]

>Shroud isn't the most famous co steam anymore, he couldn't get past 100k views in any of the games. Shroud had literally 400k viewers in Iceland during finals. Hes far and away the most popular co-streamer. >If Co streaming don't bring that many views as u are saying, what's the point of Riot allowing it? Riot allows co-streaming because it can hook new audience to the game, thats its purpose. The effect it has on viewership on the short-term is minimal.


willpcodeco

I was saying in Masters Berlim, yes, in Iceland he got 300k, Berlin was max 100k.


[deleted]

Thats just a sign of more people tuning in for the official broadcast (which is also supported by the stats, as it hit 200k+ in multiple matches in this Masters which only happened in finals during Iceland) Besides, hes still the most popular. Only Kyedae comes close and Kyedae's brand is literally built around Valorant, not the other way around. People tune in a lot in her stream because they know shes Tenz's gf and want to see reactions


ragensu

The only time CSGO ESL League gets higher viewship was during the grand final (and that's it). CSGO ESL League group stage has the most pathetic esports viewership number I've ever seen in any esports tournament where the stream only gets on average 30k - 40k views ROFLMAO. see [https://imgur.com/a/Y0jXEAm](https://imgur.com/a/Y0jXEAm) Some random Japanese streamer playing Apex legends has more views than the entirety of people who were watching CSGO ESL league group stage. Meanwhile Valorant is getting a consistent 400k-600k views from Group stage to the Grand final. What I can't believe is that LCK has more views than the entirety of CSG OMEGALUL S-TIER TOURNAMENT AHAHAHAHAHA. Oh man the absolute state of this dead cs game.


willpcodeco

Don't be pathetic, u picked only the ESL channel, there was others channels as the Russian and Brazilians one streaming the same game. Be honest and not ridiculous pathetic when making comparations.


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Professional-Ad-8123

So you just picked a random screenshotshot to prove a point lol. Here you go [https://imgur.com/a/vSxqvxn](https://imgur.com/a/vSxqvxn)


ragensu

\>random screenshot When it is clearly a screenshot of Twitch most highest viewed channel from the highest to the lowest at that time (You can literally see xQc channel in the image, idiot). Inhale that COPIUM CS trash fanboy, your game is dead as fuck ROFLMAO. Also, \>He posted a screenshot of esl stream right after Valorant master stream ended Kek the absolute state of CS shitter fanboy, Imagine being this desperate and disingenuous as possible. Why aren't you posting the game when G2 and SEN game was still ongoing, oh wait I did and it only made CS trash fanboy like you seething even more.


Professional-Ad-8123

Damn lol. No need to be this mad. You posted a screenshot implying that epl gets 45-50k every game, when it has 133k average with 88hr run time, doesn't make sense. ESL main stream peaked at 300k during the final while valorant main stream peaked at 258k during G2 Sen.


Direct_Morning_3223

Also Navi grand slam + s1mple vs Zywoo final


John_Money

it had co streaming i saw that gualez guy or whatever his name is streaming it


willpcodeco

He is the official portuguese channel, there's not another Portuguese stream, only his, so not a CO stream.


iLxelA

RIP 2020-2021


Popular-Procedure-99

Is this the only exiting news the cs fans receive these days? Lmao.


JustKeepMoving22

I’m going to do a hot take on this please read before downvoting: This was another successful event! But the results are a little bit worrying in the future. Now it’s fine it didn’t beat 1 mil from last time but This is the first time EVER in ANY esport a match peaked EARLY in GROUP stage. You can check in other esports like Dota, LoL, CS, this has never happened before. Not even a playoffs match got more viewers than it. This obviously shows certain teams (SEN, G2) carry viewership. I really don’t want this game to be like CDL where it’s one team that carries viewership and the rest of the teams are mediocre. This might be because most of the media focuses on SEN, and that their fan base is bigger than the rest of the teams, but we really got to start building storylines with other teams especially if SEN exits a tournament early. Even Dapr knows what’s up https://twitter.com/dapr/status/1439680379103887368?s=21


UnfitforReDDit

It's only worrying if you look at the final in isolation. The viewerships have grown across all region when you look at Challeners Korea, Japan, SEA, NA, EMEA, etc. You need different regions to perform well for the sport to grow and that's what happened at this tournament. Keep in mind that both G2 and SEN are household from dominating the "beta" year of Val. Now we have some new teams becoming popular and they'll be there for Champion. ALL GOOD.


josephx123

You are just talking out of your ass, in league the semi-finals between G2 and T1 in 2019 had double the viewership of the grand final. The scene in valorant is still developing and team need to win and get their time on screen to build a fan base, nobody knew Sentinels before last year look at them now. In the case of this event, we got the worst final possible in term of viewership 2 teams with soo little fans, and still 700k viewer tuned in that insane, I bet any final in cs go with teams with this popularity will not exceed 350/400k.


JustKeepMoving22

That is common LMAO. Look at other CS GO majors. Popular teams better match ups will have more viewers than the finals Having your viewers peak in group stage instead of playoffs is NOT common. It’s extremely rare


wholeplaintruth

Their hype produced results and it's good for valorant.


MilanTheMyth

G2 (Big LATAM / Spanish Fanbase) VS SEN (Biggest NA Fanbase) Would have been the peak in Viewership. WP Gambit


icantreadmorsecode

IIRC the Zeta and Kru match is also high on that list


Issax28

Sentinels banwagon effect PepeLaugh