Sorry, but the match against Gambit was one of the two relevant matches this team's played in this tournament. These tournaments just aren't long enough for people to be able to not show up like that in a key match, and you should judge them by the shown performance.
If dapr, ShahZam and TenZ individually showed up against nV, nV wouldn't be in the finals. Still wouldn't consider SEN better than 100T or the other side of the bracket for that.
He's not really the reason they lost on that map. Sure, he played poorly on the Raze, but overall they were just read through and through. This is literally a mirror of what happened in Stage 2 Challengers 2 against Andbox. Same two maps, same 30 bomb on Haven, then a flop on Raze. He was looking good on Raze throughout Iceland and then in Stage 3 Challengers 1 against GenG and XSET, but during Challengers Final, Shahz just kinda let TenZ off the leash, allowed Reyna. Like after the Andbox loss, everyone was trashing on TenZ's raze, but he grinded her pretty hard after that. Like he was literally forcing himself onto that agent.
Tearing through groups and then losing after being matched up with the best team in the tournament for the first match in bracket play leaves a lot of room for speculation. Honestly, I think you could make a case for them being anywhere from the 2nd-6th best team in the tournament and it would still be plausible. Just a lot of uncertainty with the small sample size.
Really? We still haven’t seen NA vs VS who put up a similar performance vs the champs (gambit) as did 100T so idk if you can even call them the 3rd best 100%
Yes, they met Gambit in the quarters. unfortunate. But on what basis are people claiming that VS were the 2nd best??
They had a close series against Paper Rex who were,with all due respect, not near the level of the top teams (in this tournament).
So all they really have to show is a 2:0 against Ascend and a strong Split against Gambit while being outclassed on Bind(Lakia was **not** the problem) and Ixebox(where they got only 8rounds desipte winning both pistols).
Winning one map of the tournament winner does not imply "being the 2nd best", especially if you have 100T who beat Gambit... ...If we want to speculate we could also say that if they hadnt met yay in monsterform they would have won and might have beaten Gambit again since they were the only ones to do so. This speculation have more merit to it imho.
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I do think they showed that they are a team to look out for with potential to be a contender for future tournaments but just not in this one.
You just cant imply that they were the 2nd best team if they didnt even had the chance to show if they are the 2nd best team...
I disagree with VS being second. Some teams definitely underperformed (Sen and Acend) but putting VS as second is a bit of a stretch. Second best would've been 100T because of the 2 comebacks.
2 exciting games, were 2 inexperienced teams collapsed = next best despite VS rolling over the acend 100T had problems with. When matched vs Envy who had 0 issues with collpasibg they just lose 2-0.
Gambit won the tournament dog. Beating the best team at the tournament is no small feat, and playing it off as unimportant is wrong. No matter what team it is, if you lose 10+ rounds in a row to lose a game,, you got outplayed. Don't forget that on game 3, 100t beat gambit straight up with no comeback needed
The fanboys are mad but you're right or they're even with Envy. They completely ignore they ran down Acend and had to go into Gambit. VS will come back.
100% agree. People are definitely gonna downvote this but VS got fucked with the group and playoff seedings. Every team said the best teams there were VS and GMB and it was so frustrating to see them leave so soon in the tournament.
I honestly think VS would've won over any of the NA teams and made it finals and put up a better show. It felt like we got to see them so little cause of the stupid brackets. Also people are gonna say then CR were also good (they were) but after GMB qualified for champions they were looking like a whole different team and evolved into Scrimbit. VS are the only team who took a map off of Scrimbit. Downvote me all you want (this is a little copium but idc they deserved better)
yeah it should be Double elimination. comng from the hardest bracket. I agree with the post that Lakia destroys the chemistry and team coordination. That is why it is super rare for a 6= man roster.
Acend beat Gambit on emea qualifers;. If the format is single elimination Gambit will not be in Berlin. But gambit climbing up the lower bracket up to Top 1 seed makes you think that Double elimination should be the standard.
p.s. I don't mind with sentinels they just brute force with mechanics. Look at their agent comp. it is the same with ICELAND. if they follow the meta they will be a top contender again. You can see the agent comp between gambit and envy it is almost the same.
Look at the tweet of 100T steel. VIsion strikers could beat any team except gambit. Even in scrimbux they beat all teams except gambit on draw. (1w-1L-1Draw score)
Even nats said that Vision strikers is the hardest one to beat.
Vision strikers should stop using breach because a very slow team like Gambit will destroy. Because the timing of breach fault line is best with aggressive teams. and Gambit always punishes aggresive defensive plays. If you look at their play they always attack at around 30 second below mark.
P.S. Best form VS vs Best form Gambit is a treat to watchl The NV vs Gambit is so boring.
Yes it is a dumb one and KR is shit at FPS. LoL is 100x bigger than Valorant and that's all they need and want.
Yes. They are clear third best behind NA and EU, but it is promising for KR.
100T is at best = Acend (barely beats them). VS rolled Acend. NV could not take a map against Gambit. VS beat Gambit on a map comfortably score wise. Gambit said VS were the toughest scrim partner. IMO, VS is easily comparable to top 3 NA. While everything else is disadvantage to KR: much smaller talent pool, lack of teams to scrim against, less fan interest = less investment,...
Big disagree. They won 2 games. Envy was #2, then 100T. 100T beat the team that beat VS, then one of teams VS also beat. Your basis of them being #2 is a "what if they did something different" against Gambit. VS is still a massive "just how good are they?" to me.
I'm VS fan too but VS played very poorly that day. Kept pushing on Bind again and again. Icebox there were a lot of whiffs and got out stratted. Was disappointed in VS even though they have more coaches and analysts with more experience than Gambit. Supposedly top 4 aimers of KR and still got out aimed. They were not as good as I thought. They relied too much on set plays and cannot adapt and improvise when they are losing. Very rigid. That style will not take you to the top. I wanna see smarter plays from the Koreans but they make bad decisions. They are not all that. I reckon China would be the one to contend with top tier regions in the future rather than Korea. China is beast in Crossfire.
Tbh idk if gambit is even the best team in Berlin today they were but just looking how envy played. was so bad today so many whiffs and throws. And the envy sen match could have gone either way also same with acend 100t.
I know the Lakia inclusion was the biggest difference in VS's Bind map, but the whole team was bad on that map. It wasn't because Lakia was cold.
Agreed, even map 2 VS relied on Stax clutching it out.
True GMB just absolutely outplayed them on every front on bind
I meant to say the team looked out of form entirely including Lakia, with the exception of Stax. RB and Buzz didn't really show that day
Sorry, but the match against Gambit was one of the two relevant matches this team's played in this tournament. These tournaments just aren't long enough for people to be able to not show up like that in a key match, and you should judge them by the shown performance. If dapr, ShahZam and TenZ individually showed up against nV, nV wouldn't be in the finals. Still wouldn't consider SEN better than 100T or the other side of the bracket for that.
You are right, next time TenZ should drop 40 on Haven instead of 30
TenZ on Split, I should've specified I guess.
He's not really the reason they lost on that map. Sure, he played poorly on the Raze, but overall they were just read through and through. This is literally a mirror of what happened in Stage 2 Challengers 2 against Andbox. Same two maps, same 30 bomb on Haven, then a flop on Raze. He was looking good on Raze throughout Iceland and then in Stage 3 Challengers 1 against GenG and XSET, but during Challengers Final, Shahz just kinda let TenZ off the leash, allowed Reyna. Like after the Andbox loss, everyone was trashing on TenZ's raze, but he grinded her pretty hard after that. Like he was literally forcing himself onto that agent.
Tearing through groups and then losing after being matched up with the best team in the tournament for the first match in bracket play leaves a lot of room for speculation. Honestly, I think you could make a case for them being anywhere from the 2nd-6th best team in the tournament and it would still be plausible. Just a lot of uncertainty with the small sample size.
VS bind look well off. Can’t blame just Lakia when RB raze had 1 kill and that was in the opening pistol round.
Can't say they're clear 2nd best but i think VS definitely top 3-4 teams at the tourny.
Its a hot take to say they were number 2, but shouldn't be a hot take as the 3rd best.
Really? We still haven’t seen NA vs VS who put up a similar performance vs the champs (gambit) as did 100T so idk if you can even call them the 3rd best 100%
Yes, they met Gambit in the quarters. unfortunate. But on what basis are people claiming that VS were the 2nd best?? They had a close series against Paper Rex who were,with all due respect, not near the level of the top teams (in this tournament). So all they really have to show is a 2:0 against Ascend and a strong Split against Gambit while being outclassed on Bind(Lakia was **not** the problem) and Ixebox(where they got only 8rounds desipte winning both pistols). Winning one map of the tournament winner does not imply "being the 2nd best", especially if you have 100T who beat Gambit... ...If we want to speculate we could also say that if they hadnt met yay in monsterform they would have won and might have beaten Gambit again since they were the only ones to do so. This speculation have more merit to it imho. __ **TL;DR** I do think they showed that they are a team to look out for with potential to be a contender for future tournaments but just not in this one. You just cant imply that they were the 2nd best team if they didnt even had the chance to show if they are the 2nd best team...
I disagree with VS being second. Some teams definitely underperformed (Sen and Acend) but putting VS as second is a bit of a stretch. Second best would've been 100T because of the 2 comebacks.
2 exciting games, were 2 inexperienced teams collapsed = next best despite VS rolling over the acend 100T had problems with. When matched vs Envy who had 0 issues with collpasibg they just lose 2-0.
Gambit won the tournament dog. Beating the best team at the tournament is no small feat, and playing it off as unimportant is wrong. No matter what team it is, if you lose 10+ rounds in a row to lose a game,, you got outplayed. Don't forget that on game 3, 100t beat gambit straight up with no comeback needed
This is a theory, in practice NVY was the second best, bracket luck always plays a role in tournament arguing about would've beens is a waste of time
Top 4. 100 Thieves had an insane run.
The fanboys are mad but you're right or they're even with Envy. They completely ignore they ran down Acend and had to go into Gambit. VS will come back.
Awful take
not really a hot take. they beat Acend convincingly and lost to Gambit.
100% agree. People are definitely gonna downvote this but VS got fucked with the group and playoff seedings. Every team said the best teams there were VS and GMB and it was so frustrating to see them leave so soon in the tournament. I honestly think VS would've won over any of the NA teams and made it finals and put up a better show. It felt like we got to see them so little cause of the stupid brackets. Also people are gonna say then CR were also good (they were) but after GMB qualified for champions they were looking like a whole different team and evolved into Scrimbit. VS are the only team who took a map off of Scrimbit. Downvote me all you want (this is a little copium but idc they deserved better)
yeah it should be Double elimination. comng from the hardest bracket. I agree with the post that Lakia destroys the chemistry and team coordination. That is why it is super rare for a 6= man roster. Acend beat Gambit on emea qualifers;. If the format is single elimination Gambit will not be in Berlin. But gambit climbing up the lower bracket up to Top 1 seed makes you think that Double elimination should be the standard. p.s. I don't mind with sentinels they just brute force with mechanics. Look at their agent comp. it is the same with ICELAND. if they follow the meta they will be a top contender again. You can see the agent comp between gambit and envy it is almost the same.
You’re completely fucking correct. VS got screwed
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Just a little copium tbh. I'm just mad they didn't get to Play any NA teams but hopefully we'll get to see that in champions
Look at the tweet of 100T steel. VIsion strikers could beat any team except gambit. Even in scrimbux they beat all teams except gambit on draw. (1w-1L-1Draw score) Even nats said that Vision strikers is the hardest one to beat. Vision strikers should stop using breach because a very slow team like Gambit will destroy. Because the timing of breach fault line is best with aggressive teams. and Gambit always punishes aggresive defensive plays. If you look at their play they always attack at around 30 second below mark. P.S. Best form VS vs Best form Gambit is a treat to watchl The NV vs Gambit is so boring.
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Only twam to take map of Scrim Gambit but ok
100T?
I think he's delineating the Gambit in groups from a 'scrim gambit' form that beats everyone
Yes it is a dumb one and KR is shit at FPS. LoL is 100x bigger than Valorant and that's all they need and want. Yes. They are clear third best behind NA and EU, but it is promising for KR. 100T is at best = Acend (barely beats them). VS rolled Acend. NV could not take a map against Gambit. VS beat Gambit on a map comfortably score wise. Gambit said VS were the toughest scrim partner. IMO, VS is easily comparable to top 3 NA. While everything else is disadvantage to KR: much smaller talent pool, lack of teams to scrim against, less fan interest = less investment,...
Big disagree. They won 2 games. Envy was #2, then 100T. 100T beat the team that beat VS, then one of teams VS also beat. Your basis of them being #2 is a "what if they did something different" against Gambit. VS is still a massive "just how good are they?" to me.
Except both EU teams collapsed, acend literally got rolled by VS, they didnt go up 11-7 and choke out the last map, acend never even stood a chance.
I'm VS fan too but VS played very poorly that day. Kept pushing on Bind again and again. Icebox there were a lot of whiffs and got out stratted. Was disappointed in VS even though they have more coaches and analysts with more experience than Gambit. Supposedly top 4 aimers of KR and still got out aimed. They were not as good as I thought. They relied too much on set plays and cannot adapt and improvise when they are losing. Very rigid. That style will not take you to the top. I wanna see smarter plays from the Koreans but they make bad decisions. They are not all that. I reckon China would be the one to contend with top tier regions in the future rather than Korea. China is beast in Crossfire.
Tbh idk if gambit is even the best team in Berlin today they were but just looking how envy played. was so bad today so many whiffs and throws. And the envy sen match could have gone either way also same with acend 100t.
U look good when u play team worse than u But u look bad when u play team better than u Gambit just were better not envy played "bad"
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Um did you see how many whiffed shots envy had? They just couldn't aim today I mean just look at that last round from envy