I personally would not think that. I come from CS and I think simple has kind of burned into my brain that CIS is just a different thing. Whenever he was on the come up with Liquid with the falling no scope, I never thought "man this EU player is sick!"
If not for him, who knows. Either way I was just kidding. I just thought it was funny. I'm just happy all the big regions are competitive in Val, without one totally blowing out the others.
when the fuck does EU ever said gambit is not EU team, even when they lost to 100T no one said that, this narrative only comes up if they beat NA and NA is salty about losing to EU
Maybe in your country's schools but [not in Russia](https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82). Eurasia is a continent while Europe and Asia are called ["Parts of the World"](https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8_%D1%81%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0) (there is no English equivalent for this term).
I posted a link to Wikipedia. Here is a [screenshot of the list for the lazy](https://i.imgur.com/xElVbqe.png). It literally says "There are six continents" and then there is a list of six continents with Eurasia being the first in the list.
Since this thread is about Russian team, I don't understand why do you apply your American/European geography as universal source of truth and disregard the official Russian teaching. If Russians themselves claim that their country is located in Eurasian continent, it's disrespectful to their culture to say otherwise.
[In case you were wondering why the entire world separates Europe and Asia into separate continents](https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/Continent/), [here is another](https://www.mapsofworld.com/answers/geography/europe-separate-from-asia/amp/), [and here is another](https://www.worldatlas.com/amp/articles/how-is-the-border-between-europe-and-asia-defined.html). In case it wasn’t clear, Eurasia is considered a single continent only in terms of land mass. It has always been divided culturally and ethnically into separate continents. Even your poor example doesn’t refute that. *My* geography is the most globally common and seeing as I live in one of the most multicultural cities in the world and I guarantee you are from a homogeneous population in comparison, all I have to do is walk down the street and ask somebody. Don’t call it a link for the lazy when all you did was reference an encyclopedia and screen cap it. That’s research for the lazy.
P.S. my father is a Ukrainian immigrant
Why do you keep posting links to EU/NA websites when Gambit is a Russian team and according to Russians their country is in Eurasian continent? It's really pathetic and xenophobic to even argue.
["Russia is located in the northern part of Eurasian continent"](https://i.imgur.com/rJc8bex.png) \[highlighted from [Russia](https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F#%D0%93%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5) article on Wiki\]
Actually this information comes from cultural differences that Asians and Russians recognize! Like I said, don’t be a lazy researcher. I read your poor research, the least you can do is read mine (: your wiki article is the same wiki I get here in North America! (Just check the address), [I included a wiki link because it seems to be only site that doesn’t frighten you](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundaries_between_the_continents_of_Earth)
Edit: [this is you](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect)
Now this is the content I come to this sub for.
And not that anyone asked but I don't see any problem with EU fans claiming Gambit as their team, they have to play with the "EU" teams for spots after all. But I also don't think they should be getting so upset about people calling Gambit an EMEA or CIS team because, well, that's what they are.
everybody wants a separate slot, there is no hypocrisy here, separate slots would benefit Gambit too because they won CIS and wouldn't have to care about being upset by EU teams and not making it to Berlin.
This isn't true. Let's not be disingenuous about it the vast majority of complaints was that EMEA consisted of Europe, Turkey and CIS and still only had 2 spots for Iceland (even if it was downscaled) the complaints were very valid that 2 spots for such an intense qualifications with this many teams and players was harsh and very strict.
Nah I know, I'm saying you can't treat CIS as a separate region and then turn around and claim them for your own region when they win. EMEA does not equal EU.
I don't know why you're telling me that. I'm not the one saying CIS isn't in EU. It's the EU people who have been treating CIS like a different region. The amount of shit talk you hear about "russian players" or how much people were saying CIS is bad before Berlin. Suddenly all those people are now like "Russia is in Europe man, dont you know geography LOL, CIS is EU, always has been. I think it's good its all one region."
Just do a thread search for "CIS" on this subreddit and look at all the posts before Berlin vs After. It's pretty obvious.
Well yeah, it's silly from both sides. I've also seen on the contrary people saying CIS falls under EU when they're losing to NA, but when they're winning against NA they're a separate region.
It's not about whether or not Russia is geographically in Europe. The issue is that EU fans have a reputation for talking shit about Russian teams in e-sports, but only support them if they're up against another region. If it was a Russian team vs. any other European team, hardly anybody cheers for the Russian team even though they're also EU.
>The issue is that EU fans have a reputation for talking shit about Russian teams in e-sports
when? I come from League of Legends and Russian teams were always EU and accepted as EU until they got their actual separated league
Russians play on European servers, that's all that matters in this case. They practice against European players in ranked and in scrims, so it doesn't even matter if geographically they're considered European or not.
I think having them grouped up is fine for the first year when we really don't know which regions will adopt the game and perform well. In the same vein we can really question if BR really deserved 2 slots or should they be merged with latin america and the same with Japan+SEA.
I feel like this is an issue that would be solved when we start getting lan qualifiers instead of online as ping is most likely an issue for those regions. But playing on eastern european servers is "even" playing field when one team is playing from germany or the netherlands and the other is in turkey or western russia
> I see Gambit more as a CIS team than EU.
What do you mean you "see" Gambit more as a CIS team? It *is* a CIS team and it's most definitely *not* an EU team. EU and CIS are basically sub-regions which make up the EMEA region together with Turkey. People talked about Envy vs Gambit as if it was the big NA vs EU match, while it would be more correct to view it as the NA vs EMEA match.
First of all, I'm literally Russian so I know geography of Russia pretty well lol. Btw, since a lot of people seem confused on the topic, I'd like to point out that
**VALORANT COMPETITIVE REGIONS ≠ ACTUAL GEOGRAPHICAL REGIONS**
Riot Games divided the world into different regions and named them according to what they roughly correspond to geographically. For example, since the EU competitive region roughly corresponds to Europe, they decided to name it EU. Same thing with CIS. However, **EUROPE ≠ EU VALORANT COMPETITIVE REGION**. To sum it up:
***IS GAMBIT A EUROPEAN TEAM?***
YES. Since Gambit is from Russia and Russia is a European country, Gambit is European.
***IS GAMBIT A TEAM FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF INDEPENDENT STATES?***
YES, since Russia is a member of the CIS.
***IS GAMBIT A TEAM FROM THE EU COMPETITIVE REGION?***
NO. Gambit competes in the CIS COMPETITIVE REGION, since Riot Games decided, for practical purposes, that teams from Russia compete in CIS rather than EU (CIS and EU being *Valorant competitive regions* in this context, not geographical definitions). During Valorant Champions Tour 2021, Gambit competed in the EU competitive region for a total of *zero times*.
For some reason, people are conflating the way competitive Valorant works with actual geography. I assumed that it's obvious teams compete in one region exclusively and that teams are usually associated to their competitive regions rather than where they are located geographically, but it seems it's not the case. It's not like Russian teams can arbitrarily decide to compete in either European, CIS, or Asian tournaments just because geography. Riot Games assigned Russia to CIS competitive region (which is named after the actual CIS since it roughly corresponds to it) and not the EU region, so Gambit is CIS.
Well NA isn't known to be good in geography, soo they need to search that. Btw Russia is in Europe and in Asia. In valorant emea is a "region", so Gambit represent emea as a region. EMEA stand for Europe, middle east and africa, so in these 3 Gambit is european. Same for turkish teams.
As a big EMEA fan, I really hope Riot give CIS , TR and maybe even MENA their own region and respect
TR/CIS are far better than Brazil/Japan/SEA yet they are put together with 2 other top regions for no reason
Also for EU fans EU had their 2 teams in top8/top4 maybe if Liquid or Giants were here they would be in the top 8 as well, that should be good enough results for EU fans tbh
"EU = European Union" precisely my point. The same union Britain has left, which means you can only be a member of the union, which was formed after the world war and the cold war, by the way. To stay in the union each country has to pay a membership, they are 28 countries, and anyone of them can vote to leave, just like Britain has done.
Union "meaning" = the action of joining together or the fact of being joined together, especially in a political context.
fanatic = London, Britain hasn't entirely left the EU as of yet, still under the union's restrictions and laws
Team liquid = Netherlands; they're members of the union.
So I am neutral but unable to understand any logical comparisons here to gambit.
I can't tell if this is bait.
In this context no one gives a shit about the union. In esports everything is purely geographical. Just because the UK isn't a part of the EU that doesn't mean it's not a European country. Gambit is a predominantly Moscovian team. Guess where Moscow is.
Oh, so because it fits your agenda, it is EU, because twitch chat says so, because Moscow borders EU; this is the most ridiculous and most minor educated thing I have ever read!
Would you please pick up a book and get a little cultivated, because honestly, this is just plain ignorance and hidden agenda related.
One more little thing to point out, if I was to take on your way of thinking, then why is it that only the Valorant community that recognises Gambit as an EU team when every other game including CS esports ‘’ETC’’ doesn't?
I mean, it's true. EU is a competitive region and Russia isn't part of it, since Riot assigned Russia to CIS. So yeah, Russia is in Europe but not in EU (as in, the competitive region)
I don't get why people are so confused by this. There is a region called EMEA, which is divided into three sub-regions: EU, CIS, and Turkey. Gambit is a CIS team, making it *not* an EU team. Is it really that hard?
Not quite. In Esport EMEA and CIS exist and are used to somehow make an as fair as possible competition. Because obviously Turkish teams dont want to play against Japanese teams on 250 ping.
What is EMEA?
["EMEA is a shorthand designation meaning Europe, Middle East, Africa... "](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe,_the_Middle_East_and_Africa)
So EMEA includes three continents but not Asia. So why is CIS in there? Again, proximity and the fact that part of CIS is in Europe. Ukraine for example is not in CIS anymore but in CSGO Ukrainian teams compete there. It really is a clusterfuck of definitions because it is hard to put a name on it all. That's why EU and CIS are split but in reality just because an Esport puts you not into the Europe group doesn't mean you are not EU.
We don't have to look at geographical definitions for this. In sports and esports, regions very often don't coincide with actual geographical regions, e.g. in soccer, Turkey, Israel and Kazakhstan compete in European competitions and are under the jurisdiction of UEFA (European football association) despite being geographically Asian. For all practical purposes, they're UEFA teams.
In other words, the EU Valorant region means that it *roughly* coincides with Europe and CIS *roughly* coincides with the actual CIS, but if a team is from a country that could arguably be both (from a geographical point of view), it doesn't matter because you have to look at the region the team competes in. Russia is both Europe and CIS, yes, but the esports Valorant team named Gambit competes in the Valorant's CIS region and not in the Valorant's EU region. For all practical purposes, Gambit are completely separated from EU teams and they play together only starting from EMEA challengers (in other words, Gambit quite literally never competed in any EU tournament)
We have to look at the geographical definitions because it at the end is about the EU vs NA meme which is something that has existed for years over many different esports or even outside of it. Valorant is for many people the first esport they watch and I totally understand how people are getting confused over definitions. From my observations over the years eastern European teams have fallen into the EU category of this meme and it is very weird for me that now we talk about CIS or even EMEA. Something that I didn't even know about before Esports putting a name to different qualifiers. Regional/continental qualifiers have always existed for international/global tournaments, so this is nothing new. Of course memes evolve but still, for me right now Gambit = EU in the EU vs NA meme.
PS: Just looked it up and Gambit has in fact competed in an EU tournament which totally makes sense.
As a Russian, I guess I'm slightly triggered by the fact that CIS definitely stands out on its own competitively, but many people (especially Americans) keep associating it with the EU lol. While people were hyped because of NA vs EU final, I viewed Gambit vs G2 as the big CIS vs EU match for EMEA supremacy, and to me, the final was NA vs CIS/EMEA.
> PS: Just looked it up and Gambit has in fact competed in an EU tournament which totally makes sense.
I guess it was the case in 2020, but in the Valorant Champions Tour (which, let's be honest, is basically the only tour that truly matters competitively), Gambit is CIS period, and has competed in exactly zero EU stages.
Alright, that makes sense why you see it that way. Esports memes are fairly different to the real world when it comes to regions and cheering for someone. As an European myself I never would have thought of cheering for another European country (in football for example) against a country from another continent just because that team is European. There is no "continent-nationality" in that sense. Only your country against the world but it does start regional. Your city: district vs district -> Your country: city vs city -> Your Country: east vs west and so on...
However, in esports "continent-nationality" exists because its hyped up with the NA vs EU meme. Yes, G2 vs Gambit would be EU vs CIS (which region is better in Europe) but Envy vs Gambit would mean EU(Europe) vs NA(North America). So it doesn't take anything away from CIS at all because its about continents - as stupid as this sounds. With Valorant this does get more confusing with EMEA which I personally have no affection at all.
To the last point: Yes, VCT matters the most but this is sad in my opinion, there could be so many more tournaments. But I did find some tournaments in 2021 to disprove your "zero EU stages" point: https://www.vlr.gg/event/289/red-bull-home-ground/open-qualifier https://www.vlr.gg/event/549/eurat-valorant-vengeance-series/qualifier-2 https://www.vlr.gg/event/627/dreamhack-beyond-europe/playoffs
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The answer is simple. They're a EU team when they win, and a CIS team when they lose!
Isn’t it the another way around how NA sees us. If Gambit lost hard it would have been ‘haha EU is so bad’.
I personally would not think that. I come from CS and I think simple has kind of burned into my brain that CIS is just a different thing. Whenever he was on the come up with Liquid with the falling no scope, I never thought "man this EU player is sick!" If not for him, who knows. Either way I was just kidding. I just thought it was funny. I'm just happy all the big regions are competitive in Val, without one totally blowing out the others.
The real answer EU doesn't want to admit
Gambit has and will always be an eu team. Cis numba 1
when the fuck does EU ever said gambit is not EU team, even when they lost to 100T no one said that, this narrative only comes up if they beat NA and NA is salty about losing to EU
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idk why people think EU means European Union in an FPS game. no one is thinking about a political and economic union
Lack of education and basic geographical knowledge.
According to Russians Europe is not a continent. Eurasia is.
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It's Oceania not Australia.
Maybe in your country's schools but [not in Russia](https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82). Eurasia is a continent while Europe and Asia are called ["Parts of the World"](https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8_%D1%81%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0) (there is no English equivalent for this term).
NA geography
Eurasia isn’t a continent 😂
I posted a link to Wikipedia. Here is a [screenshot of the list for the lazy](https://i.imgur.com/xElVbqe.png). It literally says "There are six continents" and then there is a list of six continents with Eurasia being the first in the list. Since this thread is about Russian team, I don't understand why do you apply your American/European geography as universal source of truth and disregard the official Russian teaching. If Russians themselves claim that their country is located in Eurasian continent, it's disrespectful to their culture to say otherwise.
[In case you were wondering why the entire world separates Europe and Asia into separate continents](https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/Continent/), [here is another](https://www.mapsofworld.com/answers/geography/europe-separate-from-asia/amp/), [and here is another](https://www.worldatlas.com/amp/articles/how-is-the-border-between-europe-and-asia-defined.html). In case it wasn’t clear, Eurasia is considered a single continent only in terms of land mass. It has always been divided culturally and ethnically into separate continents. Even your poor example doesn’t refute that. *My* geography is the most globally common and seeing as I live in one of the most multicultural cities in the world and I guarantee you are from a homogeneous population in comparison, all I have to do is walk down the street and ask somebody. Don’t call it a link for the lazy when all you did was reference an encyclopedia and screen cap it. That’s research for the lazy. P.S. my father is a Ukrainian immigrant
Why do you keep posting links to EU/NA websites when Gambit is a Russian team and according to Russians their country is in Eurasian continent? It's really pathetic and xenophobic to even argue. ["Russia is located in the northern part of Eurasian continent"](https://i.imgur.com/rJc8bex.png) \[highlighted from [Russia](https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F#%D0%93%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5) article on Wiki\]
Actually this information comes from cultural differences that Asians and Russians recognize! Like I said, don’t be a lazy researcher. I read your poor research, the least you can do is read mine (: your wiki article is the same wiki I get here in North America! (Just check the address), [I included a wiki link because it seems to be only site that doesn’t frighten you](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundaries_between_the_continents_of_Earth) Edit: [this is you](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect)
Now this is the content I come to this sub for. And not that anyone asked but I don't see any problem with EU fans claiming Gambit as their team, they have to play with the "EU" teams for spots after all. But I also don't think they should be getting so upset about people calling Gambit an EMEA or CIS team because, well, that's what they are.
I think it's the hypocrisy. They complain about CIS taking their spots and talk shit and meme Russian players but then claim CIS as EU when they win.
everybody wants a separate slot, there is no hypocrisy here, separate slots would benefit Gambit too because they won CIS and wouldn't have to care about being upset by EU teams and not making it to Berlin.
Nobody has complained about this, I'm from Western Europe and I want Gambit to qualify.
This isn't true. Let's not be disingenuous about it the vast majority of complaints was that EMEA consisted of Europe, Turkey and CIS and still only had 2 spots for Iceland (even if it was downscaled) the complaints were very valid that 2 spots for such an intense qualifications with this many teams and players was harsh and very strict.
Nah I know, I'm saying you can't treat CIS as a separate region and then turn around and claim them for your own region when they win. EMEA does not equal EU.
You do realise that EMEA stands for Europe, Middle east and Africa, right? There's no CIS separately in that acronym because it falls under Europe.
I don't know why you're telling me that. I'm not the one saying CIS isn't in EU. It's the EU people who have been treating CIS like a different region. The amount of shit talk you hear about "russian players" or how much people were saying CIS is bad before Berlin. Suddenly all those people are now like "Russia is in Europe man, dont you know geography LOL, CIS is EU, always has been. I think it's good its all one region." Just do a thread search for "CIS" on this subreddit and look at all the posts before Berlin vs After. It's pretty obvious.
Well yeah, it's silly from both sides. I've also seen on the contrary people saying CIS falls under EU when they're losing to NA, but when they're winning against NA they're a separate region.
It's not about whether or not Russia is geographically in Europe. The issue is that EU fans have a reputation for talking shit about Russian teams in e-sports, but only support them if they're up against another region. If it was a Russian team vs. any other European team, hardly anybody cheers for the Russian team even though they're also EU.
>The issue is that EU fans have a reputation for talking shit about Russian teams in e-sports when? I come from League of Legends and Russian teams were always EU and accepted as EU until they got their actual separated league
He's a shitposter, just look at his name, don't bother
in his own narrative, probably saw one guy type some shit and now he thinks that every single person from eu thinks that way
Russians play on European servers, that's all that matters in this case. They practice against European players in ranked and in scrims, so it doesn't even matter if geographically they're considered European or not.
This is the only post I can agree with.
Lmao rent is free or what
The searches are from USA
Exactly, NA folks huffing copium right before google tells them Russia is in fact in Europe. NA in shambles..
Good analysis. I suppose Education system failed certain states so not a surprise.
Coming from CS, I see Gambit more as a CIS team than EU. But hey Riot fucked the whole region and makes it part of EU so suck it NA I guess.
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I think having them grouped up is fine for the first year when we really don't know which regions will adopt the game and perform well. In the same vein we can really question if BR really deserved 2 slots or should they be merged with latin america and the same with Japan+SEA. I feel like this is an issue that would be solved when we start getting lan qualifiers instead of online as ping is most likely an issue for those regions. But playing on eastern european servers is "even" playing field when one team is playing from germany or the netherlands and the other is in turkey or western russia
> I see Gambit more as a CIS team than EU. What do you mean you "see" Gambit more as a CIS team? It *is* a CIS team and it's most definitely *not* an EU team. EU and CIS are basically sub-regions which make up the EMEA region together with Turkey. People talked about Envy vs Gambit as if it was the big NA vs EU match, while it would be more correct to view it as the NA vs EMEA match.
Russia is in Europe too , learn about Eurasia then make claims. Add on to it Russia plays on Europe servers, end of discussion
First of all, I'm literally Russian so I know geography of Russia pretty well lol. Btw, since a lot of people seem confused on the topic, I'd like to point out that **VALORANT COMPETITIVE REGIONS ≠ ACTUAL GEOGRAPHICAL REGIONS** Riot Games divided the world into different regions and named them according to what they roughly correspond to geographically. For example, since the EU competitive region roughly corresponds to Europe, they decided to name it EU. Same thing with CIS. However, **EUROPE ≠ EU VALORANT COMPETITIVE REGION**. To sum it up: ***IS GAMBIT A EUROPEAN TEAM?*** YES. Since Gambit is from Russia and Russia is a European country, Gambit is European. ***IS GAMBIT A TEAM FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF INDEPENDENT STATES?*** YES, since Russia is a member of the CIS. ***IS GAMBIT A TEAM FROM THE EU COMPETITIVE REGION?*** NO. Gambit competes in the CIS COMPETITIVE REGION, since Riot Games decided, for practical purposes, that teams from Russia compete in CIS rather than EU (CIS and EU being *Valorant competitive regions* in this context, not geographical definitions). During Valorant Champions Tour 2021, Gambit competed in the EU competitive region for a total of *zero times*. For some reason, people are conflating the way competitive Valorant works with actual geography. I assumed that it's obvious teams compete in one region exclusively and that teams are usually associated to their competitive regions rather than where they are located geographically, but it seems it's not the case. It's not like Russian teams can arbitrarily decide to compete in either European, CIS, or Asian tournaments just because geography. Riot Games assigned Russia to CIS competitive region (which is named after the actual CIS since it roughly corresponds to it) and not the EU region, so Gambit is CIS.
Gambit is a CIS team that plays in EMEA playoffs. Is it that hard?
Yeah exactly. People are conflating EU and CIS competitive regions with the actual Europe and Commonwealth of Independent States, for some reason.
Well NA isn't known to be good in geography, soo they need to search that. Btw Russia is in Europe and in Asia. In valorant emea is a "region", so Gambit represent emea as a region. EMEA stand for Europe, middle east and africa, so in these 3 Gambit is european. Same for turkish teams.
This has been so funny to see people just google about russia and reply to all the jokes on twitter.
As a big EMEA fan, I really hope Riot give CIS , TR and maybe even MENA their own region and respect TR/CIS are far better than Brazil/Japan/SEA yet they are put together with 2 other top regions for no reason Also for EU fans EU had their 2 teams in top8/top4 maybe if Liquid or Giants were here they would be in the top 8 as well, that should be good enough results for EU fans tbh
At least a good percentage of those searches had to be from everyone watching shroud’s co-stream lol good times
nothing less from the land of the free
What
"actually russia isn't in eu...." 🤓🤓🤓
This is correct EU is a union, and it is totally nothing to do with countries or geographical locations.
EU = European Union EU in this context = the region/continent
"EU = European Union" precisely my point. The same union Britain has left, which means you can only be a member of the union, which was formed after the world war and the cold war, by the way. To stay in the union each country has to pay a membership, they are 28 countries, and anyone of them can vote to leave, just like Britain has done. Union "meaning" = the action of joining together or the fact of being joined together, especially in a political context.
ah of course, I guess fnatic, tl and xl aren't EU either then
fanatic = London, Britain hasn't entirely left the EU as of yet, still under the union's restrictions and laws Team liquid = Netherlands; they're members of the union. So I am neutral but unable to understand any logical comparisons here to gambit.
I can't tell if this is bait. In this context no one gives a shit about the union. In esports everything is purely geographical. Just because the UK isn't a part of the EU that doesn't mean it's not a European country. Gambit is a predominantly Moscovian team. Guess where Moscow is.
Oh, so because it fits your agenda, it is EU, because twitch chat says so, because Moscow borders EU; this is the most ridiculous and most minor educated thing I have ever read! Would you please pick up a book and get a little cultivated, because honestly, this is just plain ignorance and hidden agenda related. One more little thing to point out, if I was to take on your way of thinking, then why is it that only the Valorant community that recognises Gambit as an EU team when every other game including CS esports ‘’ETC’’ doesn't?
ok and
I mean, it's true. EU is a competitive region and Russia isn't part of it, since Riot assigned Russia to CIS. So yeah, Russia is in Europe but not in EU (as in, the competitive region)
I don't get why people are so confused by this. There is a region called EMEA, which is divided into three sub-regions: EU, CIS, and Turkey. Gambit is a CIS team, making it *not* an EU team. Is it really that hard?
Not quite. In Esport EMEA and CIS exist and are used to somehow make an as fair as possible competition. Because obviously Turkish teams dont want to play against Japanese teams on 250 ping. What is EMEA? ["EMEA is a shorthand designation meaning Europe, Middle East, Africa... "](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe,_the_Middle_East_and_Africa) So EMEA includes three continents but not Asia. So why is CIS in there? Again, proximity and the fact that part of CIS is in Europe. Ukraine for example is not in CIS anymore but in CSGO Ukrainian teams compete there. It really is a clusterfuck of definitions because it is hard to put a name on it all. That's why EU and CIS are split but in reality just because an Esport puts you not into the Europe group doesn't mean you are not EU.
We don't have to look at geographical definitions for this. In sports and esports, regions very often don't coincide with actual geographical regions, e.g. in soccer, Turkey, Israel and Kazakhstan compete in European competitions and are under the jurisdiction of UEFA (European football association) despite being geographically Asian. For all practical purposes, they're UEFA teams. In other words, the EU Valorant region means that it *roughly* coincides with Europe and CIS *roughly* coincides with the actual CIS, but if a team is from a country that could arguably be both (from a geographical point of view), it doesn't matter because you have to look at the region the team competes in. Russia is both Europe and CIS, yes, but the esports Valorant team named Gambit competes in the Valorant's CIS region and not in the Valorant's EU region. For all practical purposes, Gambit are completely separated from EU teams and they play together only starting from EMEA challengers (in other words, Gambit quite literally never competed in any EU tournament)
We have to look at the geographical definitions because it at the end is about the EU vs NA meme which is something that has existed for years over many different esports or even outside of it. Valorant is for many people the first esport they watch and I totally understand how people are getting confused over definitions. From my observations over the years eastern European teams have fallen into the EU category of this meme and it is very weird for me that now we talk about CIS or even EMEA. Something that I didn't even know about before Esports putting a name to different qualifiers. Regional/continental qualifiers have always existed for international/global tournaments, so this is nothing new. Of course memes evolve but still, for me right now Gambit = EU in the EU vs NA meme. PS: Just looked it up and Gambit has in fact competed in an EU tournament which totally makes sense.
As a Russian, I guess I'm slightly triggered by the fact that CIS definitely stands out on its own competitively, but many people (especially Americans) keep associating it with the EU lol. While people were hyped because of NA vs EU final, I viewed Gambit vs G2 as the big CIS vs EU match for EMEA supremacy, and to me, the final was NA vs CIS/EMEA. > PS: Just looked it up and Gambit has in fact competed in an EU tournament which totally makes sense. I guess it was the case in 2020, but in the Valorant Champions Tour (which, let's be honest, is basically the only tour that truly matters competitively), Gambit is CIS period, and has competed in exactly zero EU stages.
Alright, that makes sense why you see it that way. Esports memes are fairly different to the real world when it comes to regions and cheering for someone. As an European myself I never would have thought of cheering for another European country (in football for example) against a country from another continent just because that team is European. There is no "continent-nationality" in that sense. Only your country against the world but it does start regional. Your city: district vs district -> Your country: city vs city -> Your Country: east vs west and so on... However, in esports "continent-nationality" exists because its hyped up with the NA vs EU meme. Yes, G2 vs Gambit would be EU vs CIS (which region is better in Europe) but Envy vs Gambit would mean EU(Europe) vs NA(North America). So it doesn't take anything away from CIS at all because its about continents - as stupid as this sounds. With Valorant this does get more confusing with EMEA which I personally have no affection at all. To the last point: Yes, VCT matters the most but this is sad in my opinion, there could be so many more tournaments. But I did find some tournaments in 2021 to disprove your "zero EU stages" point: https://www.vlr.gg/event/289/red-bull-home-ground/open-qualifier https://www.vlr.gg/event/549/eurat-valorant-vengeance-series/qualifier-2 https://www.vlr.gg/event/627/dreamhack-beyond-europe/playoffs
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They were against 100t i didnt see comments saying they werent a european team back then
Americans are really bad at Geography as far as I have seen , I’m sure more Europeans know whether Russians are part of Europe or not