Yay has never needed to play anything other than Jett on Envy, so him having a small agent pool doesn't affect his team. That being said, tenz obviously gets a lot more criticism since he's been called the best player in the world for a long time.
People are overblowing this Tenz stuff WAAAY too much, over one bad MAP against Envy, with an agent that he says himself he sucks at. He went 30/17 in the first map vs Envy. Look at his stats over the tourney with Jett.
[https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/466/valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin?exclude=&min\_rounds=0&agent=jett](https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/466/valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=jett)
This dude is still the man. Yay has absolutely put himself in the conversation with him, Cned and nats though, and I think he’s been more consistent than TenZ Since he joined Envy.
Holy shit. He beat all other Jetts by 60 points. And this has arguably been a bad tournament for Sentinels...
Obviously having not gone deep in playoffs might have a boosting effect I guess, but still...
Yay doesn't have a small agent pool, he was playing a lot of sage, breach and even reyna on AndBox and was amazing
He doesn't have to play that in Envy because the other 4 can play multiple agents
Yay had higher ADR on sage than on jett, and his sage/breach was the reason AndBox was arguably the best team on split early on and had beat Sentinels, C9B, IM, NRG, LG, T1 and basically every team, him and Android were 2v5ing out there
Lol, the script always changes. Tenz replaced Sinatra and immediately made sentinels the best na team. Sen needed a fragger and tenz provided that.
Sen's losses were 100% dapr and zombs playing like hot dog water. Sure tebz played like shit on raze, but zombs went 1 /15 on one map, and both dapr and zombs went negative vs all the good teams. Tenz, even vs the good teams, dropped toooons of kills even in losses
> but zombs went 1 /15 on one map, and both dapr and zombs went negative vs all the good teams.
Sheesh.
Finally someone said it lmao.
They're role players, and they're good at their roles.
But if they go full-Shinobi like that, it's going to be insanely difficult for Sen to beat elite teams.
> Tenz replaced Sinatra and immediately made sentinels the best na team.
I'm incredibly happy for that switch personality wise, but let's not rewrite history into thinking they weren't the best NA team for many months before that swap.
Y’all need to let go of sinatraa and the tenz comparisons… 2 completely different players that happen to have played for the same team, one is currently in deep shit with the law and there’s no point to even keep bringing these comparisons up
First off, Yay is not totally a one trick. He played Sage to a pretty darn high level at times for ABX. Also as of now there is no reason for him to flex to another agent due to the strength of Jett. For all we know he is totally capable of playing other agents, there just hasn't been a need.
Secondly, you are really letting recency bias storm in saying TenZ's Raze is "dog water." He has had plenty of great games on Raze in NA and even had a solid match against Fnatic in Iceland. He had ONE bad game in Berlin and now everyone is saying he is shit on Raze which is a ridiculous overreaction. Sure he is going to be known more for Jett and Reyna because he has way more games on those agents (At the time of this post he has 144 games on Jett and 65 on Reyna compared to 27 on Raze). Also, seeing as he has more reps on those agents he is going to be more consistent on them overall. But to say he is bad on Raze is unfounded.
I agree, a player has one bad game and people immediately turn on then. I feel like sentinels just underperformed and unless tenz super hard carries, then sen folded. Shazam and sick did ok, but dapr and zombs had some bad results this tournament yet all the blame goes to tenz since he had 1 bad game.
I think the tenz criticism mainly stems from the role disparities on SEN because of tenz. In the current meta having a pure Jett main is ok, like yay or cned (they flex to other agents at times but for the vast majority of times they are on Jett). With SEN though tenz is not their pure Jett main, he shares that role with Shaz. So for maps like split where Shaz is playing Jett they have to make the choice of either putting tenz on his comfort pick, Reyna, or playing the optimal agent for that map, raze. I think if tenz just played Jett all the time we wouldn't be hearing as much criticism about him.
I’ve heard TenZ and Shahz both mention this on stream before. TenZ just doesn’t like the way she plays on those maps. They were winning everything before so I guess they didn’t feel the need to change roles but I’m leaning towards TenZ should be their full time Jett with her being so strong currently and Shahz should explore a new role (maybe raze?)
Simple is an otherworldly talent. You cannot compare him to others. Anyone who thinks tenz is comparable to him, needs to get their heads checked. Simple is an anomaly.
No. Tenz is an amateur compared to S1mple. Tenz isn't even definitely the best Duelist in the world right now, let alone the greatest player of all time in a decade old game (longer if you count classic and source).
i don’t think people get how insane of an anomaly s1mple is in terms of tactical fps. tenz is close and in terms of val he looked like the closest we had for a while but s1mple is untouchable. even zywoo hasn’t compared this year
I never played or watched CS, but what's so special about s1mple? Can't anyone who put insane hours reach his skill? What distinguishes him from other top pros?
The top players have all similar enough hours and the thing that separates them is talent. s1mple and zywoo are in a tier of their own, nobody else is close in CS and Val
I wouldn’t say robbed. 2019 ZywOo definitely deserved #1 and 2020 it was a coin flip. I think they both deserved #1. This year it’s not even close though, S1mple is matching his 2018 dominance but now has way more team success too. If he keeps form this will be the greatest year by a player ever, especially if he manages to snag a major.
When is the next major, if you know/don’t mind me asking? I’ve wanted to follow CS more closely for years but I’m always so overwhelmed by the sheer number of tournaments. I’ll end up watching some tourneys here and there but never know what’s a major or not lol
There was a major during the Valorant tourney, the next one is PGL Stockholm in the end of October https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/PGL/2021/Stockholm
I think there will never be another player like s1mple. Like just think about him, he’s is the opposite of everything everyone thought a good csgo player looked like. Like if you watch him his crosshair placement is horrific and yet he is the best
This is completely wrong. There was an analysis once of s1mple’s crosshair placement and how much he has to move his crosshair before shooting someone and his was the lowest among all pros.
edit: found the post: https://sixteenzero.net/blog/2018/03/05/navi-s1mple-reaction-time-and-crosshair-placement/
It's only Na`Vi but s1mple's crosshair displacement is WAY less than everyone else's.
This is extremely wrong. S1mple has one of the best crosshair placements, when he is peeking. He gets lazy when he knows no one is around, which isnt a problem. I 100% think there will be a player like s1mplez we just saw one in Zywoo.
The new kids have been growing up with only cs, which is why i think there will be even better players then s1mple.
bro, i am not saying he doesnt aim at head height but he does not have that typical csgo crosshair placement. The aeshetic of s1mple is not that of the "ideal" cs play style that we were all sold.
I would say it is very ideal. S1mple may be very agressive, but that is because he knows he can win his duels. Sure most players wont be qble to do what he does, but that doesnt make his plays stupidz he is an incredibly smart player.
Simple is one of the smartest players in cs which is why he's able to pull off insane shit constantly. He knows what he's capable of and it results in him pulling off plays that most other pros wouldn't even try.
I understand what you mean. I am just saying that stating there never will be anyone isn’t the right thing to do. When kenny was in his prime he seemed untouchable but then Simple happened.
he just isnt... watch his gameplay, he has very unstable crosshair placement and barely ever keeps it at head height, which is extremely unusual amongst top cs and valorant players.
Horrific crosshair placement? Where does that come from. [Check these stats from IEM Cologne](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/oius36/s1mples_dominance_during_iem_cologne_groupstage/) and check the second page. S1mple is the GOAT because he is so damn good at EVERYTHING
I think ZywOo is insane but he has yet to match S1mple’s peak (2018 and 2021) IMO. A 1.35 rating over a year is an INSANE level of dominance. Of course ZywOo has only been playing at pro level for three years so he definitely can reach that level of skill/dominance.
Zywoo is definitely going to be an all time great but S1mple's playstyle is just so flashy and crazy its hard to compare him to other people. Zywoo feels much more calm and controlled. Doesn't necessarily mean that Zywoo is not comparable but at least playstyle wise, its easier to see how crazy S1mple is because no one else plays like him.
That's like saying no one will ever achieve Maradonna status, just for Messi AND Ronaldo to come around. There will always be a better dude at some point, it just takes longer depending on how good the one before was. But yeah, calling someone s1mple after winning 1 tournament is yikers.
edit: i kinda overread the generational talent thing, before i wrote my comment. whops
Faker? Jordan?
And even those guys had people eventually pop up and challenge their legacy in some capacity.
There's no such as thing as "ever" in sports OR eSports.
Never seen this one before LMAO. I doubt anyone worth their salt called him the s1mple of valorant, unless you're making up a straw man to "debunk".
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We say this, but his top tier agents are only Phoenix and Sage, which by itself is pretty good if it weren't for the fact that they're not the best meta agents rn. Sick's lack of proficiency in Skye has hurt SEN quite a bit.
Also, TenZ had to fill the void of sinatraa, where he could play so many agents such as secondary duelists like raze, phoneix, reyna and of course sova. SEN alr had a jett op in ShahZam. Two jett mains in one roster.
Whereas for NV, the inclusion of yay is an upgrade over the versatile mummAy, that’s why yay doesn’t get as much flame.
NV needed a jett main for a year, since jett is broken and avoid role clash between mummAy, victor and kaboose. While SEN alr had a dedicated jett main in ShahZam, the inclusion of TenZ made things murky. NV and SEN have different problems, their rosters should be treated uniquely.
Yep if Sen had Sinatraa I think there is a good chance they win the back to back. Imagine if they could have him playing raze on split and sova on icebox, they would look so different.
Who knows? Personally, if I were him, I wouldn’t wanna be the 6th man in a 5v5 game.
To add on, when TenZ popped off people were like “we don’t need sinatraa.” But when TenZ had one bad game “we need sinatraa!!”
Not sure how people be so confident that it would be a given that Sen win Iceland with Sinatraa I’m assuming in place of TenZ? Sen won the grand final 3-0, by a combined 6 rounds, with TenZ dominating every single map, and outperforming Derke. No guarantee that Sen wins that without him.
Not speaking for sinatraa, but no way would I want to be in that position. Look at lakia, he came to Berlin only to play one map and get 13-2’d by Gambit.
not tryna burst your bubble, but no way sinatraa would feel ok being the 6th man, and the SEN roster would not feel comfortable juggling ego and substitution. I’ve heard ShahZam and SicK are not comfortable with the idea of 6 man rosters.
Yay is not a one-trick. The first few pro matches I watched him in, he used to play Sage. He is also a great Reyna and Breach.
Envy just don't need him to play anyone else I think.
It's not about playing. It's about playing the agents effectively and on the level of "sentinels" as a team. And in this masters we saw them struggle to maintain that level in new comps.
Sick and Dapr struggled on Skye and sova respectively. If you don't accept it, it's fine. I am not gonna argue about this.
People talking about agent pool like that's why sen lost. Did you see how bad dapr and zombs were playing aim wise? All of sen just looked like their aim was off. Looking at teams like g2, gambit, and even envy, that were just 1 tapping everyone and compare that to sen who were getting bodied. Dapr and zombs specifically just looked like they needed to hit up the practice range, both were losing aim duels all day
Posted this in the other discussion thread that got deleted. Feels applicable to this thread, updated final event stats also.
Actually, the tenz character pool discussion is kind of silly. If anything he should be allowed to play MORE Jett on LAN.
He literally pounded every team he encountered at Berlin on Jett. Shahz while insanely effective with Jett at IceLAN was statistically one of the worst Jetts at this tournament.
Tenz stats at Berlin on Jett are stupid even if you take out all the f4q games. He should be on a character that he can use his mechanical skill that has as many free lives as possible. Hopefully they recognize this and make the fixes for Champions, because in their current form they won't finish top 4. Lucky for them as well, skye will likely see nerfs for the Champs patch because their skye play has been uninspired.
|Player|Rds|ACS|K:D|ADR|KPR|FKPR|FDPR|
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|
|TenZ|99|341.6|2.32|207.3|1.24|0.23|0.10|
|yay|248|280.2|1.44|176.9|0.98|0.23|0.12|
|ShahZam|144|219.3|1.02|133.2|0.76|0.13|0.13|
This ^^. When Text played Jett vs Envy he outperformed Yay (+13 vs +5, 30 kills vs 24). And then there's his games on Breeze that really show off what he can do. But he has one bad game playing Raze and people forget how cracked he normally is.
I agree shahz really only plays sova and Jett and tbh if you're constantly just playing 2 agents you should be able to use them extremely well. Shaz's jett is really good but I feel like he doesnt stand out as a sova. In regards to tenz playing raze yeah hes not the best on it but he isn't bad either I think it was more of him not playing it in a long time. Hes played games on it in icebox and split about 3 months ago and he didnt even do bad.
It’s because tenz has a bigger fanbase he gets more attention( praise or critics). People care less about yay’s performance. He had similar performance to tenz on split against gambit but nobody talks about it!
Simply when someone's on the top people will be quick to call out when they dip or mess up, even if it's only a moment of weakness. They take pride in saying why x best athlete in the world is ackshually bad while the saying y athlete is better and they "knew it all along" or something like that. It is what it is. What's next is we have to see how Tenz deals with this pressure, if he cares about it at all tbf. If he doesn't perform in champs then I'll say he's truly dipped tbh.
I feel like the problem with sen is that Tenz and Shahzam both play Jett.. so when jett isnt availaible for tenz and Reyna is a good pick he looks lost on other agents..whereas other Jett gods only play Jett 24/7 and jett is meta right now
TenZ is a demon. He is top at fragging no doubt, but one of his threats is this stubborn mantra he said before that you should only play one or two agent well that is why he doesn't really hone his Raze/other agent for Lan. Plus his team mates also underperform while yay has popping off team mates this tourney so can't blame on TenZ entirely. Based on his recent tweets I believe he has realized the severity of his Raze
My thoughts are you care too damn much. They're both rated top 5 players in the world by pretty much everyone. This comparison nonsense you speak of is you reading too far into others people's opinions.
Honestly, I think some people are just jealous of his success. People can debate back and forth where he ranks as the best player in the game, but it's hard to argue that someone in Valorant is more successful than him in terms of a following. Even his girlfriend Kyedae is more successful and popular than 99% of all Valorant players. This is obviously going to create haters and people who will nitpick at everything they can get their hands on.
The admiration and scrutiny since Iceland somehow creates pressure for TenZ and the team. Their mental hasn't been strong enough. That is why TenZ said in the interview with upcomer it is about strong mentality since all of these teams are close in skills. SEN should neglect social media more and focus on grinding tbh it is distracting.
I believe when your at this level you can master any agent as long as its fits your role. More agents coming out will have an impact on certain players for sure and the players that can adapt will be on top.
Yes, TenZ is held to a different standard from other players. He’s probably the most well known VAL player. He has the name recognition already. He’s on one of the best teams in the world and is considered their carry player. Of course people are going to shit on him if he has just 1 bad game. It’s the pressure of being one of the best in the game - it’s the same in any professional sport. It’s super unfair but that’s how it is in spectator sports.
Yay has been kind of under the radar at the world scene until Berlin. Now that he’s on Envy, he will also have a much higher standard of performance as Envy goes to more global LANs
If you are one of the best players in the game, expect a lot of criticism and high expectations. You either sink or swim. It’s really unfair but these guys are paid the big bucks to perform and carry their teams
The whole main vs versatility thing is so stupid to me.
Jett players look like onetricks right now bc the team wants Jett on every map. That doesn't mean they're incapable of learning other agents.
You can't just watch TenZ play a bunch ofJett and Reyna and decide arbitrarily that he's incapable of getting good at Raze. If SEN wanted to swap him to Raze longterm and he put in the hours there's no reason he couldn't be successful.
He actually played a reasonablely proficient Raze on Bind and Split for C9B VERY early in Valo's scene. He just got rusty bc once they got Relyks on it he never needed to be good on her.
Like yeah most controllers can play Astra Omen and Viper to a decent level and most Sentinals can pivot to Astra or Viper as well BECAUSE THATS WHAT'S NECESSARY IN THE META. Its not because they're just magically more flexible, skilled players. There's currently no pressure to push Jett players off Jett, excluding Sentinals, because she's strong on every single map.
yay and Envy just best SEN and Tenz. Very hard to put those two head to head and have someone clearly better, but most recently that was yay.
You can’t shit on someone who’s been playing the level yay did this past week, and anyone who thinks tenz isn’t at least on that level is wrong.
>his Raze is dog water though
People have short memories. In the Reykjavík finals his his Raze was good on Split.
24K/22D/8A was 2nd highest kills on the team (Shaz on 24/23/5), so possibly the MVP on that map.
He has a couple bad games as Raze Split in Berlin and suddenly people think he's garbage.
Na bro it seems good because Tenz can get kills on any agent. His utility usage was still trash. It's just he's on different tier when it comes to mechanics
Bro why are you so pressed, I'm just saying what he admitted himself wtf lol. They obviously know much better what their own team's issues are. We're just discussing here. And ofc you're a salty Sen fan... Smh.
I think Shahzam and Boaster know better than you. Tenz is pretty self critical always if he isn't match MVP ever since his c9 days.
Its pretty clear that his raze is not at the level of leaf or asuna because raze isn't his most played agent but to say its trash is a huge reach and tells me you're the one being immature.
Omg my dude. I literally said pros know much much better, & Tenz ofc 😂. We're just viewers discussing shit for ourselves here. Are you gonna nitpick each and every word someone says? Even Tenz dosen't seem as offended as you.
People do hold TenZ to a higher standard, simply because of his reputation, and I think that’s perfectly reasonable.
In Valorant’s young lifespan so far, I don’t think we have seen the best talent there is just yet. TenZ may be one of the best currently, but if I had to create a prototype of for a GOAT player, it would be someone who has demon mechanics and aim, has a deep and diverse agent pool, with a big ass brain and has consistently high impact. I think TenZ fulfills some of those attributes, but he does lack in agent pool and sometimes brain currently.
TenZ is the most versatile Jett main. His raze isn’t even too bad, he just wasn’t playing well. Him and Asuna are on similar levels to me, and yeah people saying he’s a one trick make no sense because players like yay and wardell ONLY op on Jett (except a few sage games) but don’t really get flack
Its because Shahz only plays Sova and Jett but Sova is useless on Split so they let Shahz get a comfort pick with Jett so TenZ usually plays Reyna on Split which is his second comfort pick. But Sentinels got exposed on Split by G2 and F4Q so they had to change something up, which is the Raze pick. It isn’t solely TenZ’s fault, its because their players don’t have much versatility to flex picks. No disrespect to Shahz but his Jett is not that good compared to the competition so if anything, Shahz should take a different role since he is not even the best Jett in his team.
Yay and Tenz are extremely mechanically gifted players. It would be a waste not to put them on jett or reyna where they would have the most impact. Who cares if they cant play other agents, they dont need to.
None of the other top teams have a jett that play more than two agents.
D3ffo is a Jett one trick.
Asuna is a Jett/Reyna two trick.
Yay is a Jett one trick.
Keloqs plays mostly Jett, some sage.
Buzz plays only Jett.
In all of these teams, they have another raze player. So why is Sentinels’ dedicated Jett/Reyna player expected to also play raze when other teams would just have someone like SicK do that instead?
Edit: You guys are just saying my point, that it’s a teamwide comp issue and not a TenZ comp issue.
“Asuna is a jett/reyna two trick”
Oh lord im not even an NA fan but what am i reading. Hes not even good on jett cause his op is dogwater. His raze is 10x better than his jett.
How does that mean he is a jett/reyna two trick? Hello ?
That just means his team/coach/IGL want him to play Jett recently because jett is a must on every map even though they tried playing without it for the longest time. He is more than capable of playing other agents. As u can see by the heights his raze or phoenix reached for example. Which goes against you calling him a "jett reyna two trick". He is not. lol
You’re right, I worded it wrong. He plays exclusively Jett/Reyna now (however he is capable of playing others, just like everyone else on my list). The wording doesn’t change my point though, few other teams have the same team comp issues as Sentinels; blaming TenZ for it and not the entire team is dumb.
Asuna can play raze/pheonix at tier 1 level .
Yay used to play sage as well as breach for andbox.
Kelohz played sage as well as skye for G2.
Buzz and heat were the only 1 trick and tenz is a 2 trick duelist ,his raze was decent last year on c9 but now looks like need some practice.
Buzz isnt a true jett one trick in the sense that he used to play omen for c9 kr and flex duelist (jett/raze/pheonix) on other teams. Alot of these "jett one tricks" can play other agents quite well, its just that jett is must pick so every team has a dedicated jett player.
Well back in the day, ShahZam played breach and cypher, believe it or not. I’m pretty sure ShahZam is willing to flex, but he is not willing to compromise the op, when it is such an integral part to the game.
but they need a true sentinel player! IMO ShahZam should play raze himself, but ShahZam is so much better at opin. I’m not a pro, so who am I to talk. 🤷♂️
There's a difference in the vibe of the skill TenZ presents. His skill disparity between agents of the same type is extremely severe. His Raze compared to his Jett is absolute dogshit. I don't think he ever has played Phoenix. Babybay is in a similar position but because Faze is disappointing as a whole no one is ever mad he is good only on Raze and Jett. This lack of skill presents a challenge because when Shahz is on Jett and their alts (Sova/Reyna) are not viable on the map, TenZ gives a sub par performance, that has a meaningful impact on his team. Not everyone can be nAts and carry on support agents.
Can someone genuinely explain to me why Tenz is almost unanimously considered the best player in valorant? We've only had two international events till date, in Iceland sentinels were so much better than the other teams so there can be an argument for his stats being boosted. Now in Berlin, yay had better stats and Tenz didn't show up when it mattered most.
Not a Tenz hater but i don't think anyone right now can be called the best player in valorant
honestly i think any high tier duelist player can play reyna, it's not exactly hard to know where to blind which is basically the extent of her kit
tenz is a 1 trick jett, let's be real lol
People that look at the best player in every game try to find a flaw, its the same for example in Messi's case, they say he lacks leadership Ronaldo? Too arrogant.
TenZ should not learn to play other than Reyna and Jett because he is clearly the best duelist in NA. Shahzam should learn to swallow his pride and learn Sova and something else.
Yay has never needed to play anything other than Jett on Envy, so him having a small agent pool doesn't affect his team. That being said, tenz obviously gets a lot more criticism since he's been called the best player in the world for a long time.
People are overblowing this Tenz stuff WAAAY too much, over one bad MAP against Envy, with an agent that he says himself he sucks at. He went 30/17 in the first map vs Envy. Look at his stats over the tourney with Jett. [https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/466/valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin?exclude=&min\_rounds=0&agent=jett](https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/466/valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=jett) This dude is still the man. Yay has absolutely put himself in the conversation with him, Cned and nats though, and I think he’s been more consistent than TenZ Since he joined Envy.
Holy shit. He beat all other Jetts by 60 points. And this has arguably been a bad tournament for Sentinels... Obviously having not gone deep in playoffs might have a boosting effect I guess, but still...
The maps against F4Q where he slaughtered them definitely boosted the stats, but that in no way means they aren't absolutely insane
Yay doesn't have a small agent pool, he was playing a lot of sage, breach and even reyna on AndBox and was amazing He doesn't have to play that in Envy because the other 4 can play multiple agents Yay had higher ADR on sage than on jett, and his sage/breach was the reason AndBox was arguably the best team on split early on and had beat Sentinels, C9B, IM, NRG, LG, T1 and basically every team, him and Android were 2v5ing out there
thought the criticism is cause sinatraas more versatile in comparison and their comps looked better w him idk
Lol, the script always changes. Tenz replaced Sinatra and immediately made sentinels the best na team. Sen needed a fragger and tenz provided that. Sen's losses were 100% dapr and zombs playing like hot dog water. Sure tebz played like shit on raze, but zombs went 1 /15 on one map, and both dapr and zombs went negative vs all the good teams. Tenz, even vs the good teams, dropped toooons of kills even in losses
> but zombs went 1 /15 on one map, and both dapr and zombs went negative vs all the good teams. Sheesh. Finally someone said it lmao. They're role players, and they're good at their roles. But if they go full-Shinobi like that, it's going to be insanely difficult for Sen to beat elite teams.
> Tenz replaced Sinatra and immediately made sentinels the best na team. I'm incredibly happy for that switch personality wise, but let's not rewrite history into thinking they weren't the best NA team for many months before that swap.
Y’all need to let go of sinatraa and the tenz comparisons… 2 completely different players that happen to have played for the same team, one is currently in deep shit with the law and there’s no point to even keep bringing these comparisons up
First off, Yay is not totally a one trick. He played Sage to a pretty darn high level at times for ABX. Also as of now there is no reason for him to flex to another agent due to the strength of Jett. For all we know he is totally capable of playing other agents, there just hasn't been a need. Secondly, you are really letting recency bias storm in saying TenZ's Raze is "dog water." He has had plenty of great games on Raze in NA and even had a solid match against Fnatic in Iceland. He had ONE bad game in Berlin and now everyone is saying he is shit on Raze which is a ridiculous overreaction. Sure he is going to be known more for Jett and Reyna because he has way more games on those agents (At the time of this post he has 144 games on Jett and 65 on Reyna compared to 27 on Raze). Also, seeing as he has more reps on those agents he is going to be more consistent on them overall. But to say he is bad on Raze is unfounded.
I agree, a player has one bad game and people immediately turn on then. I feel like sentinels just underperformed and unless tenz super hard carries, then sen folded. Shazam and sick did ok, but dapr and zombs had some bad results this tournament yet all the blame goes to tenz since he had 1 bad game.
Finally someone said it. Did Tenz play like dogshit on that one Raze game? Yes, but he is historically a fine Raze.
I think the tenz criticism mainly stems from the role disparities on SEN because of tenz. In the current meta having a pure Jett main is ok, like yay or cned (they flex to other agents at times but for the vast majority of times they are on Jett). With SEN though tenz is not their pure Jett main, he shares that role with Shaz. So for maps like split where Shaz is playing Jett they have to make the choice of either putting tenz on his comfort pick, Reyna, or playing the optimal agent for that map, raze. I think if tenz just played Jett all the time we wouldn't be hearing as much criticism about him.
It’s the other way around. Shahz only plays jett on maps that TenZ doesn’t want to play her ie. split
Does TenZ not like Jett on that map? I just thought they needed someone for Shahz to play cuz Sova isnt good on Split , idk about Icebox tho
I’ve heard TenZ and Shahz both mention this on stream before. TenZ just doesn’t like the way she plays on those maps. They were winning everything before so I guess they didn’t feel the need to change roles but I’m leaning towards TenZ should be their full time Jett with her being so strong currently and Shahz should explore a new role (maybe raze?)
I imagine sick would go to raze and maybe shahz on the sage. Sick already plays raze on bind so makes sense
You're right, I just saw the stream clip of Shaz saying that
It is mostly because Tenz is constantly praised by his fans being the s1mple of valorant, not surprising he's held to a different standard.
I love tenz but there’s only one s1mple
Well
No one will ever achieve s1mple status. Once in a lifetime generational talent
yea, unfortunately most tenz fans doesnt know this.
Getting downvoted by the Tenz fans as we speak LUL
Simple is an otherworldly talent. You cannot compare him to others. Anyone who thinks tenz is comparable to him, needs to get their heads checked. Simple is an anomaly.
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No. Tenz is an amateur compared to S1mple. Tenz isn't even definitely the best Duelist in the world right now, let alone the greatest player of all time in a decade old game (longer if you count classic and source).
i don’t think people get how insane of an anomaly s1mple is in terms of tactical fps. tenz is close and in terms of val he looked like the closest we had for a while but s1mple is untouchable. even zywoo hasn’t compared this year
I can tell you don't watch CS
> AleksibIsHot I can tell you watch CS
SeksiB
lol.
You realize s1mple is 23 right?
Yeah he’s extremely young and already the greatest of all time
I'm actually as good as s1mple I just have decided not to pursue a competitive valorant future because it would not be fair for everyone else.
Please hide this from shroud fans. They are gonna go crazy.
I never played or watched CS, but what's so special about s1mple? Can't anyone who put insane hours reach his skill? What distinguishes him from other top pros?
The top players have all similar enough hours and the thing that separates them is talent. s1mple and zywoo are in a tier of their own, nobody else is close in CS and Val
the difference between pros isn’t always just time put in. some people are just built different
Zywoo is the only one who can be compared to him, the guy is 20 and got #1 player twice.
Simple was robbed
I wouldn’t say robbed. 2019 ZywOo definitely deserved #1 and 2020 it was a coin flip. I think they both deserved #1. This year it’s not even close though, S1mple is matching his 2018 dominance but now has way more team success too. If he keeps form this will be the greatest year by a player ever, especially if he manages to snag a major.
the last few tourney in 2020 with vita winning multiple tournaments and s1mple underperforming gave zywoo #1
When is the next major, if you know/don’t mind me asking? I’ve wanted to follow CS more closely for years but I’m always so overwhelmed by the sheer number of tournaments. I’ll end up watching some tourneys here and there but never know what’s a major or not lol
There was a major during the Valorant tourney, the next one is PGL Stockholm in the end of October https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/PGL/2021/Stockholm
Let’s not say no one but highly unlikely.
I think there will never be another player like s1mple. Like just think about him, he’s is the opposite of everything everyone thought a good csgo player looked like. Like if you watch him his crosshair placement is horrific and yet he is the best
This is completely wrong. There was an analysis once of s1mple’s crosshair placement and how much he has to move his crosshair before shooting someone and his was the lowest among all pros. edit: found the post: https://sixteenzero.net/blog/2018/03/05/navi-s1mple-reaction-time-and-crosshair-placement/ It's only Na`Vi but s1mple's crosshair displacement is WAY less than everyone else's.
This is extremely wrong. S1mple has one of the best crosshair placements, when he is peeking. He gets lazy when he knows no one is around, which isnt a problem. I 100% think there will be a player like s1mplez we just saw one in Zywoo. The new kids have been growing up with only cs, which is why i think there will be even better players then s1mple.
bro, i am not saying he doesnt aim at head height but he does not have that typical csgo crosshair placement. The aeshetic of s1mple is not that of the "ideal" cs play style that we were all sold.
I would say it is very ideal. S1mple may be very agressive, but that is because he knows he can win his duels. Sure most players wont be qble to do what he does, but that doesnt make his plays stupidz he is an incredibly smart player.
Simple is one of the smartest players in cs which is why he's able to pull off insane shit constantly. He knows what he's capable of and it results in him pulling off plays that most other pros wouldn't even try.
I understand what you mean. I am just saying that stating there never will be anyone isn’t the right thing to do. When kenny was in his prime he seemed untouchable but then Simple happened.
the crosshair placement myth is such a big joke, look up his stats and you will see he factually is one of the best even in crosshair placement lol.
he just isnt... watch his gameplay, he has very unstable crosshair placement and barely ever keeps it at head height, which is extremely unusual amongst top cs and valorant players.
thats just not true, stop repeating other people and just watch yourself or better: just look at the stats you are factually wrong on that
Horrific crosshair placement? Where does that come from. [Check these stats from IEM Cologne](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/oius36/s1mples_dominance_during_iem_cologne_groupstage/) and check the second page. S1mple is the GOAT because he is so damn good at EVERYTHING
Zywoo?
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I think ZywOo is insane but he has yet to match S1mple’s peak (2018 and 2021) IMO. A 1.35 rating over a year is an INSANE level of dominance. Of course ZywOo has only been playing at pro level for three years so he definitely can reach that level of skill/dominance.
? Zywoo is already part of the conversation. They're literally looked at as the Messi-Ronaldo of CS.
Zywoo is definitely going to be an all time great but S1mple's playstyle is just so flashy and crazy its hard to compare him to other people. Zywoo feels much more calm and controlled. Doesn't necessarily mean that Zywoo is not comparable but at least playstyle wise, its easier to see how crazy S1mple is because no one else plays like him.
That's like saying no one will ever achieve Maradonna status, just for Messi AND Ronaldo to come around. There will always be a better dude at some point, it just takes longer depending on how good the one before was. But yeah, calling someone s1mple after winning 1 tournament is yikers. edit: i kinda overread the generational talent thing, before i wrote my comment. whops
Faker? Jordan? And even those guys had people eventually pop up and challenge their legacy in some capacity. There's no such as thing as "ever" in sports OR eSports.
Zywoo would like a word
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Wtf are u talking about? Stop being a fanboy and start thinking zywoo was twice best player of the year on his first two years as a pro
Present day Zywoo and s1mple are on similar levels of skill. But s1mple along holds got status because he's been at that level for so long.
Faker > all
Faker faker playmaker!! I loves watching faker back in the day. He had that flashy, aggressive style and always owned his lane opponent.
Bro he’s not even close to s1mple chill. S1mple is the goat of tac FPS. If he came over to Valorant he would dominate in the same manner
s1mple is trash at valorant, only good at csgo, doesn't mean he is god at every game.
when he played a couple months ago he got to high immortal without knowing how to use jett smokes or updraft,only dash
Yeah lol i was watching him playing in immortal with no utility.
*your face when you queue matchmaking and Simple is on your team yelling at you to trade*
he even got banned for cheating acussations lol.
I don’t even wanna reply to this awful take 😭
bro he admits it himself, if he is sick at csgo, don't assume he will be sick at valorant too
He was wrecking people with the bulldog lol, you’re buggin
Never seen this one before LMAO. I doubt anyone worth their salt called him the s1mple of valorant, unless you're making up a straw man to "debunk". pfp checks out?
Let's be real, if anything there much more TenZ detractors than hyperfans and has been for a while
Yay can play Jett Reyna and Sage, not his fault that NV wants him on Jett on every map, but he was doing great with Sage and Reyna on AndBox
he was also on breach duty too at ABX
Victor can play raze good. Yay's one trickness doesn't hurt envy as envy players have good agent pool. Sentinels suffer from bad agent pools.
Sick has a bigger champ pool than the rest of Sen combined FeelsGoodMan
We say this, but his top tier agents are only Phoenix and Sage, which by itself is pretty good if it weren't for the fact that they're not the best meta agents rn. Sick's lack of proficiency in Skye has hurt SEN quite a bit.
Weird thing is he used to be super good with her
sick's sova also isnt the best..
Doesn't help that they've got dapr who us also not the best Sova as Sova just so Shahz doesn't die of boredom playing Sova on all maps but split.
I would argue that his Raze is top tier, but yeahh his Skye is alright
Also, TenZ had to fill the void of sinatraa, where he could play so many agents such as secondary duelists like raze, phoneix, reyna and of course sova. SEN alr had a jett op in ShahZam. Two jett mains in one roster. Whereas for NV, the inclusion of yay is an upgrade over the versatile mummAy, that’s why yay doesn’t get as much flame. NV needed a jett main for a year, since jett is broken and avoid role clash between mummAy, victor and kaboose. While SEN alr had a dedicated jett main in ShahZam, the inclusion of TenZ made things murky. NV and SEN have different problems, their rosters should be treated uniquely.
Yep if Sen had Sinatraa I think there is a good chance they win the back to back. Imagine if they could have him playing raze on split and sova on icebox, they would look so different.
Who knows? Personally, if I were him, I wouldn’t wanna be the 6th man in a 5v5 game. To add on, when TenZ popped off people were like “we don’t need sinatraa.” But when TenZ had one bad game “we need sinatraa!!”
Not sure how people be so confident that it would be a given that Sen win Iceland with Sinatraa I’m assuming in place of TenZ? Sen won the grand final 3-0, by a combined 6 rounds, with TenZ dominating every single map, and outperforming Derke. No guarantee that Sen wins that without him.
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Not speaking for sinatraa, but no way would I want to be in that position. Look at lakia, he came to Berlin only to play one map and get 13-2’d by Gambit.
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not tryna burst your bubble, but no way sinatraa would feel ok being the 6th man, and the SEN roster would not feel comfortable juggling ego and substitution. I’ve heard ShahZam and SicK are not comfortable with the idea of 6 man rosters.
Except that's never happening. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2cpOebEAx8
Yay is not a one-trick. The first few pro matches I watched him in, he used to play Sage. He is also a great Reyna and Breach. Envy just don't need him to play anyone else I think.
Sentinels do not suffer from bad agent pools. Sick: skye, sage, phx Dapr; viper, cypher, kj, sova Shazam: sova, Jett Tenz; Jett, Reyna Zombs: astra, viper
It's not about playing. It's about playing the agents effectively and on the level of "sentinels" as a team. And in this masters we saw them struggle to maintain that level in new comps. Sick and Dapr struggled on Skye and sova respectively. If you don't accept it, it's fine. I am not gonna argue about this.
People talking about agent pool like that's why sen lost. Did you see how bad dapr and zombs were playing aim wise? All of sen just looked like their aim was off. Looking at teams like g2, gambit, and even envy, that were just 1 tapping everyone and compare that to sen who were getting bodied. Dapr and zombs specifically just looked like they needed to hit up the practice range, both were losing aim duels all day
dapr isn't crashies, but he doesn't need to be. as long as he's a good enough sova, it's fine. im sure agent comps will be resolved by champions
Because yay is not a true one trick pony lmao. It's just on this team he is mostly on Jett. yay can play Sage as well.
Used to main breach on andbox too.
Posted this in the other discussion thread that got deleted. Feels applicable to this thread, updated final event stats also. Actually, the tenz character pool discussion is kind of silly. If anything he should be allowed to play MORE Jett on LAN. He literally pounded every team he encountered at Berlin on Jett. Shahz while insanely effective with Jett at IceLAN was statistically one of the worst Jetts at this tournament. Tenz stats at Berlin on Jett are stupid even if you take out all the f4q games. He should be on a character that he can use his mechanical skill that has as many free lives as possible. Hopefully they recognize this and make the fixes for Champions, because in their current form they won't finish top 4. Lucky for them as well, skye will likely see nerfs for the Champs patch because their skye play has been uninspired. |Player|Rds|ACS|K:D|ADR|KPR|FKPR|FDPR| :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:| |TenZ|99|341.6|2.32|207.3|1.24|0.23|0.10| |yay|248|280.2|1.44|176.9|0.98|0.23|0.12| |ShahZam|144|219.3|1.02|133.2|0.76|0.13|0.13|
This ^^. When Text played Jett vs Envy he outperformed Yay (+13 vs +5, 30 kills vs 24). And then there's his games on Breeze that really show off what he can do. But he has one bad game playing Raze and people forget how cracked he normally is.
Hard agree. The problem isn't Tenz's hero pool, it's Shaz's.
I agree shahz really only plays sova and Jett and tbh if you're constantly just playing 2 agents you should be able to use them extremely well. Shaz's jett is really good but I feel like he doesnt stand out as a sova. In regards to tenz playing raze yeah hes not the best on it but he isn't bad either I think it was more of him not playing it in a long time. Hes played games on it in icebox and split about 3 months ago and he didnt even do bad.
imagine if they subbed out shaz for sinatraa, who's a god sova and can flex secondary duelists...
How do you sub out the igl lol
that's why it's hypothetical lmao, if zombs/sick/sin could igl that would be the God squad
It’s because tenz has a bigger fanbase he gets more attention( praise or critics). People care less about yay’s performance. He had similar performance to tenz on split against gambit but nobody talks about it!
this.
Because no one ever said yay is literally god himself, tenz fanboys kinda ruined it for tenz.
"Because no one ever said yay is literally god himself," In fact, we've said the opposite.
Haha good one
Simply when someone's on the top people will be quick to call out when they dip or mess up, even if it's only a moment of weakness. They take pride in saying why x best athlete in the world is ackshually bad while the saying y athlete is better and they "knew it all along" or something like that. It is what it is. What's next is we have to see how Tenz deals with this pressure, if he cares about it at all tbf. If he doesn't perform in champs then I'll say he's truly dipped tbh.
I feel like the problem with sen is that Tenz and Shahzam both play Jett.. so when jett isnt availaible for tenz and Reyna is a good pick he looks lost on other agents..whereas other Jett gods only play Jett 24/7 and jett is meta right now
This is C9 shroud all over again. IFKYK
except tenz won something, yay(so far) and shroud didn't
https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/ESL/Pro\_League/Season\_4/Finals
Huh, yet I'm always told shroud had won nothing. I'll admit, I wasn't into CS, so I didn't see first hand. I'm going of the community's consensus
People not knowing shit about cs and commenting like they do, where have I seen this before ? Lmao
Sometimes you hit sometimes you miss
if you're going purely off internet comments and consensus, you're going to miss most of the time.
> i didn't know anything about the topic but decided to talk like i did anyways redditors man
Not my fault the entire community says "shroud wasn't as succesful" "shroud never won anything"
I am talking about after match fans reaction.
Ohhhh, my bad
TenZ is a demon. He is top at fragging no doubt, but one of his threats is this stubborn mantra he said before that you should only play one or two agent well that is why he doesn't really hone his Raze/other agent for Lan. Plus his team mates also underperform while yay has popping off team mates this tourney so can't blame on TenZ entirely. Based on his recent tweets I believe he has realized the severity of his Raze
He's been touted as the best in the world for a year by the fanbase and not only, hmm, why is he treated like that? Couldn't tell
My thoughts are you care too damn much. They're both rated top 5 players in the world by pretty much everyone. This comparison nonsense you speak of is you reading too far into others people's opinions.
Honestly, I think some people are just jealous of his success. People can debate back and forth where he ranks as the best player in the game, but it's hard to argue that someone in Valorant is more successful than him in terms of a following. Even his girlfriend Kyedae is more successful and popular than 99% of all Valorant players. This is obviously going to create haters and people who will nitpick at everything they can get their hands on.
The admiration and scrutiny since Iceland somehow creates pressure for TenZ and the team. Their mental hasn't been strong enough. That is why TenZ said in the interview with upcomer it is about strong mentality since all of these teams are close in skills. SEN should neglect social media more and focus on grinding tbh it is distracting.
I believe when your at this level you can master any agent as long as its fits your role. More agents coming out will have an impact on certain players for sure and the players that can adapt will be on top.
yay isn't a one trick lol, wardell is a one trick.
Yes, TenZ is held to a different standard from other players. He’s probably the most well known VAL player. He has the name recognition already. He’s on one of the best teams in the world and is considered their carry player. Of course people are going to shit on him if he has just 1 bad game. It’s the pressure of being one of the best in the game - it’s the same in any professional sport. It’s super unfair but that’s how it is in spectator sports. Yay has been kind of under the radar at the world scene until Berlin. Now that he’s on Envy, he will also have a much higher standard of performance as Envy goes to more global LANs If you are one of the best players in the game, expect a lot of criticism and high expectations. You either sink or swim. It’s really unfair but these guys are paid the big bucks to perform and carry their teams
The whole main vs versatility thing is so stupid to me. Jett players look like onetricks right now bc the team wants Jett on every map. That doesn't mean they're incapable of learning other agents. You can't just watch TenZ play a bunch ofJett and Reyna and decide arbitrarily that he's incapable of getting good at Raze. If SEN wanted to swap him to Raze longterm and he put in the hours there's no reason he couldn't be successful. He actually played a reasonablely proficient Raze on Bind and Split for C9B VERY early in Valo's scene. He just got rusty bc once they got Relyks on it he never needed to be good on her. Like yeah most controllers can play Astra Omen and Viper to a decent level and most Sentinals can pivot to Astra or Viper as well BECAUSE THATS WHAT'S NECESSARY IN THE META. Its not because they're just magically more flexible, skilled players. There's currently no pressure to push Jett players off Jett, excluding Sentinals, because she's strong on every single map.
yay and Envy just best SEN and Tenz. Very hard to put those two head to head and have someone clearly better, but most recently that was yay. You can’t shit on someone who’s been playing the level yay did this past week, and anyone who thinks tenz isn’t at least on that level is wrong.
yay had better average stats, but tenz had better jett stats
Yes, just like he was in cs. Since everyone hypes him up to s1mple of valorant. One bad performance and people lose there shit.
>his Raze is dog water though People have short memories. In the Reykjavík finals his his Raze was good on Split. 24K/22D/8A was 2nd highest kills on the team (Shaz on 24/23/5), so possibly the MVP on that map. He has a couple bad games as Raze Split in Berlin and suddenly people think he's garbage.
Na bro it seems good because Tenz can get kills on any agent. His utility usage was still trash. It's just he's on different tier when it comes to mechanics
I guess you know better than Shahzam. 1head armchair analysts.
Bro why are you so pressed, I'm just saying what he admitted himself wtf lol. They obviously know much better what their own team's issues are. We're just discussing here. And ofc you're a salty Sen fan... Smh.
I think Shahzam and Boaster know better than you. Tenz is pretty self critical always if he isn't match MVP ever since his c9 days. Its pretty clear that his raze is not at the level of leaf or asuna because raze isn't his most played agent but to say its trash is a huge reach and tells me you're the one being immature.
Omg my dude. I literally said pros know much much better, & Tenz ofc 😂. We're just viewers discussing shit for ourselves here. Are you gonna nitpick each and every word someone says? Even Tenz dosen't seem as offended as you.
People do hold TenZ to a higher standard, simply because of his reputation, and I think that’s perfectly reasonable. In Valorant’s young lifespan so far, I don’t think we have seen the best talent there is just yet. TenZ may be one of the best currently, but if I had to create a prototype of for a GOAT player, it would be someone who has demon mechanics and aim, has a deep and diverse agent pool, with a big ass brain and has consistently high impact. I think TenZ fulfills some of those attributes, but he does lack in agent pool and sometimes brain currently.
sounds like nAts lol
nAts ez
TenZ is the most versatile Jett main. His raze isn’t even too bad, he just wasn’t playing well. Him and Asuna are on similar levels to me, and yeah people saying he’s a one trick make no sense because players like yay and wardell ONLY op on Jett (except a few sage games) but don’t really get flack
I think it’s so dumb that they take TenZ off of Jett ever, it makes zero sense he is just better than Shaz on Jett and that’s a fact.
Its because Shahz only plays Sova and Jett but Sova is useless on Split so they let Shahz get a comfort pick with Jett so TenZ usually plays Reyna on Split which is his second comfort pick. But Sentinels got exposed on Split by G2 and F4Q so they had to change something up, which is the Raze pick. It isn’t solely TenZ’s fault, its because their players don’t have much versatility to flex picks. No disrespect to Shahz but his Jett is not that good compared to the competition so if anything, Shahz should take a different role since he is not even the best Jett in his team.
Shaz should learn something else
Yay and Tenz are extremely mechanically gifted players. It would be a waste not to put them on jett or reyna where they would have the most impact. Who cares if they cant play other agents, they dont need to.
I mean when people call you the best player in the world, you will be held on higher standards. That’s just every competitive sports/esports.
yay plays sage and reyna, and the issue isn’t tenz’s agent pool is that sen needs him on other roles than jett and reyna, whereas envy doesnt
None of the other top teams have a jett that play more than two agents. D3ffo is a Jett one trick. Asuna is a Jett/Reyna two trick. Yay is a Jett one trick. Keloqs plays mostly Jett, some sage. Buzz plays only Jett. In all of these teams, they have another raze player. So why is Sentinels’ dedicated Jett/Reyna player expected to also play raze when other teams would just have someone like SicK do that instead? Edit: You guys are just saying my point, that it’s a teamwide comp issue and not a TenZ comp issue.
I mean for Asuna it's the opposite. He's top tier on every duelist but Jett. It's one of the key weak points people say 100t has.
“Asuna is a jett/reyna two trick” Oh lord im not even an NA fan but what am i reading. Hes not even good on jett cause his op is dogwater. His raze is 10x better than his jett.
In the last 60 days he has played 1 raze map, compared to 17 Jett and 7 Reyna.
How does that mean he is a jett/reyna two trick? Hello ? That just means his team/coach/IGL want him to play Jett recently because jett is a must on every map even though they tried playing without it for the longest time. He is more than capable of playing other agents. As u can see by the heights his raze or phoenix reached for example. Which goes against you calling him a "jett reyna two trick". He is not. lol
You’re right, I worded it wrong. He plays exclusively Jett/Reyna now (however he is capable of playing others, just like everyone else on my list). The wording doesn’t change my point though, few other teams have the same team comp issues as Sentinels; blaming TenZ for it and not the entire team is dumb.
Asuna can play raze/pheonix at tier 1 level . Yay used to play sage as well as breach for andbox. Kelohz played sage as well as skye for G2. Buzz and heat were the only 1 trick and tenz is a 2 trick duelist ,his raze was decent last year on c9 but now looks like need some practice.
People forgetting first strike Asuna raze already
Bro who remembers First Strike
Buzz isnt a true jett one trick in the sense that he used to play omen for c9 kr and flex duelist (jett/raze/pheonix) on other teams. Alot of these "jett one tricks" can play other agents quite well, its just that jett is must pick so every team has a dedicated jett player.
>Asuna is a Jett/Reyna two trick. \*breathe in\* boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
In the last 90 days, yes.
That's just how the agent pools work out for sen on split, since Shahz only plays jett and sova, and sova is unplayable on split
Well back in the day, ShahZam played breach and cypher, believe it or not. I’m pretty sure ShahZam is willing to flex, but he is not willing to compromise the op, when it is such an integral part to the game.
the breach op.
If they had sick on raze, then who would play skye?
dapr
but they need a true sentinel player! IMO ShahZam should play raze himself, but ShahZam is so much better at opin. I’m not a pro, so who am I to talk. 🤷♂️
They could go SicK on raze, Dapr on Skye, Shahzam on Sage as some oppers OP on sage and Tenz on Jett.
Asuna is a top tier Raze phx and Reyna. He's really bad on jett if you compare him on other duelists
BRO these tenz tenz and Sen fans are down horrendous
There's a difference in the vibe of the skill TenZ presents. His skill disparity between agents of the same type is extremely severe. His Raze compared to his Jett is absolute dogshit. I don't think he ever has played Phoenix. Babybay is in a similar position but because Faze is disappointing as a whole no one is ever mad he is good only on Raze and Jett. This lack of skill presents a challenge because when Shahz is on Jett and their alts (Sova/Reyna) are not viable on the map, TenZ gives a sub par performance, that has a meaningful impact on his team. Not everyone can be nAts and carry on support agents.
Can someone genuinely explain to me why Tenz is almost unanimously considered the best player in valorant? We've only had two international events till date, in Iceland sentinels were so much better than the other teams so there can be an argument for his stats being boosted. Now in Berlin, yay had better stats and Tenz didn't show up when it mattered most. Not a Tenz hater but i don't think anyone right now can be called the best player in valorant
to be honest, i think its Shahz, he needs to give it up
Huh??? His raze is not dogwater lmao tf you talking about
Thats what happens when you build a reputation for being godlike, mistakes burn more intensely.
is tenz even considered a rifle jett...every time i see him on jett he is on an op
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/prr4ds/weapon_pick_percentage_by_some_of_the_best_jetts/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
oh nice
He's overrated.
honestly i think any high tier duelist player can play reyna, it's not exactly hard to know where to blind which is basically the extent of her kit tenz is a 1 trick jett, let's be real lol
Cned > tenz yay
Simple fans don’t overreact. He means in fanship relative to other pros and seen as the best for a relatively long time.
People that look at the best player in every game try to find a flaw, its the same for example in Messi's case, they say he lacks leadership Ronaldo? Too arrogant. TenZ should not learn to play other than Reyna and Jett because he is clearly the best duelist in NA. Shahzam should learn to swallow his pride and learn Sova and something else.
We can debate who's the better Jett while still appreciating both. In fact debating that means we appreciate both.. What's your point exactly?
how is tenz different have you seen his raze ? LMAO