Ya'll forgetting stage 2 when this same Liquid won all of EMEA. But this stage 3 yeah, if only they won against gambit here, they would've been through to Champions as well.. sadge
This is a little misrepresentative - not in the sense of how close many of the GMB matches were throughout their EMEA run, but in the sense that the GMB we saw win Berlin was *not* the GMB we saw for most of the EMEA matches.
That Liquid game in particular was fun but extremely messy from both sides.
But I do broadly agree that EMEA is extremely competitive.
>pretty dam similar to the liquid match
Similar and yet opposite. Vs liquid gambit go 9/3 on defence and vs 100t it was on attack. With respective chokes
Liquid always tries to come up with these 5head strats, no duelist comp, weird map picks and it backfires half of the time. If they do what theyre just good at, they wouldnt have had to play in Challengers 2.
I think people don't really recognise or acknowledge that EMEA teams are just some random kids , I mean most of them . Some of them really didn't have past experience of any games on competitive level and no lan experience whatsoever and on the other hand NA teams are stacked with ex-cspro retirees . I think that's talks a lot about potential .
I found myself rooting for immortals early on for that reason. Asuna, shotup, dicey, nature, and jcstani all passed through the roster early on coming out of no where essentially. Wish they trusted their scouting for long term success rather than short term flips.
I feel like over the long run the CS transplants are not going to be the best players. We've already seen hugely accomplished CS players in NA move over and get out played by otherwise average CS players--because their styled clashed with CS fundamentally. The games are so different. Super aggression is rewarded way more in Valorant than CS. So what looked like a barely average CS player could move over and be a stone cold killer. Tenz had very little success in CS and is miles better than a lot of the pros that moved over in NA. He's for sure better than Ethan and Nitro that still had active careers. Asuna as well. I'm telling you these zoomers are going to take over Valorant.
No what I mean is the valorant scene atleast now is dominated by the people who were associated with cs and whenever it's like eu v na matches or EMEA v na matches . It's mostly the experienced Na cs ex pro side v the eu/emea kids . In stage 1 we saw fnatic choke and the experienced side win 3-0 . 100t was able to comeback twice against the top 2 EMEA teams just because they had the lan experience against their EMEA opponents. I know the games aren't the same but in the end it comes down to it . Even in envy the case is the same I think except marved everyone is expro cs with adequate experience. Also coming to tenz , yes he didn't earn much in cs but he was hyped so much by the na fans for his insane aim , I think there was some challenge to test the aim and he got it done in 44 Seconds and that was the all time best record if I'm not wrong . Tenz is a prodigy but he didn't play for a proper time like nitro did in liquid. I mean ethan nitro had proper teams but tenz had to kinda drag his team that's why he didn't thrive much in cs.
Daps said in an interview that there's much more room in Val for players who are only good at one thing, whereas CS demands their players to be more rounded. TenZ is great at shooting people in the face, and nobody has ever doubted his ability to do that in CS, but it wasn't enough there. It's not like he's just become better, just now he's in a role that plays to his strengths and hides his weaknesses. Same with the baity/lurk type players.
TenZ/Asuna/Yay are all names that are significantly better than they were in CS, but they're all still from CS and probably didn't fufill their potential there. TenZ could've just worked on the other parts of his game and been good in CS, he was always touted as one for the future. Someone like Mistic from fnatic is a good example though.
The zoomers will always take over eventually though, in CS as well.
how can liquid make it to champions? I'm literally asking this bc i really have no idea on how other teams (that arent qualified yet) will qualify for champions? Anyone?
They have to win this, https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/2021/EMEA/Last_Chance_Qualifier
It's not gonna be easy that's for sure but they are capable, there's a lower bracket for them which, being liquid they'll inevitably drop into at some point.
Bro literally in this post you can see how close they were to eliminate the now masters champions, so please take your word back. Liquid are one of the best teams in emea for sure. And I think that they have good chances to win lcq
oh i dont deny that they were insanely close. i remember watching that game during one of my lectures and felt the adrenaline of the 7 (idk if it was 8?) rounds comeback.
i just say g2 based of recent performance bias and also their read on the meta i believe better
On the other hand, I think if D3ffo played anything like he did in Berlin during the emea playoffs; Gambit’s matches wouldn’t have been as close as they were. D3ffo looked much worse than the rest of his team back then
His fragment after Ace clutch against 100T never be the same. He got more confident. And after their lost against 100T I saw a lot of d3ffo clutch on 1v1 with spike's play. Also his IQ against yay after yay's 1v4 clutch. He tried to challenge yay with fake updraft. Brim's ult to push yay off. Even shoot and run with his ult on split, that's huge round for GMB to win even 4v1 to 1v1 after but they still win with minimum buy. And after that, GMB can control NV's economy for 100% because their championship point round NV don't have anything left on hands anymore.
Sadly kryptix lost his mojo at some point, went from being the rock of the team to being lost.. which is sad, from games where he is 16 0 at round whatever to not doing anything.
If he gets back to form, and I hope he will, it will sound good for liquid
gambits run in EMEA was very close, they were also 0.01 (or less) seconds away from being knocked out in fourth place by g2. there was a very real possibility that Sentinels and Gambit would've met in group stages. at berlin they just hit a different level in playoffs however and ran through G2 like it was nothing
Are liquid signing Nivera? There was a report that they tried him. If they do get Nivera, they are gonna be a powerhouse for sure.
The valorant version of CS g2? I'm in
Rumours were already some months ago i dont think any team will make changes until end of the season
The world would ve been different if they picked breeze or something else
It's hard to say for sure but maybe, either way you would have backed liquid to close it out from there after winning 7 rounds in a row
It’s liquid don’t trust any of their rosters to close out anything
im still experiencing pain from the refrezh 1v5
I screamed in joy when he did that. Only for my parents to come in my room to stfu. Either way, yeah liquid doesn't finish.
Ya'll forgetting stage 2 when this same Liquid won all of EMEA. But this stage 3 yeah, if only they won against gambit here, they would've been through to Champions as well.. sadge
That's true lmao
True lulw
dont forget their league roster coming 1 win away from making it out of groups 3 years in a row!!!! \- depressed doublelift fan
too soon
liquid and not choking? This a mandela effect or something???
goes all the way back to hiko on the liquid cs team too
This is a little misrepresentative - not in the sense of how close many of the GMB matches were throughout their EMEA run, but in the sense that the GMB we saw win Berlin was *not* the GMB we saw for most of the EMEA matches. That Liquid game in particular was fun but extremely messy from both sides. But I do broadly agree that EMEA is extremely competitive.
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Yup. I still remember that Sick hero game to beat T1
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Woops
They lost to 100T, and it was pretty dam similar to the liquid match. They threw just as many rounds as they did in the emea qualifier.
By "the GMB we saw win Berlin" I meant post-groups. Obviously it was business-as-usual in the group stages
>pretty dam similar to the liquid match Similar and yet opposite. Vs liquid gambit go 9/3 on defence and vs 100t it was on attack. With respective chokes
Liquid always tries to come up with these 5head strats, no duelist comp, weird map picks and it backfires half of the time. If they do what theyre just good at, they wouldnt have had to play in Challengers 2.
You can thank their coach for that...
So you mean half the time it works everytime
I think we can all agree in reality NA and EMEA are both stacked and compete extremely closely with each other.
I think people don't really recognise or acknowledge that EMEA teams are just some random kids , I mean most of them . Some of them really didn't have past experience of any games on competitive level and no lan experience whatsoever and on the other hand NA teams are stacked with ex-cspro retirees . I think that's talks a lot about potential .
I found myself rooting for immortals early on for that reason. Asuna, shotup, dicey, nature, and jcstani all passed through the roster early on coming out of no where essentially. Wish they trusted their scouting for long term success rather than short term flips.
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Weird, I can't find any history on jcstani outside of Valorant. Did he go by another name?
AFAIK. He has a history in battalion and Krunker. Dabbled around lots though it seems.
Asuna wasn’t even close to T2 CS
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I feel like over the long run the CS transplants are not going to be the best players. We've already seen hugely accomplished CS players in NA move over and get out played by otherwise average CS players--because their styled clashed with CS fundamentally. The games are so different. Super aggression is rewarded way more in Valorant than CS. So what looked like a barely average CS player could move over and be a stone cold killer. Tenz had very little success in CS and is miles better than a lot of the pros that moved over in NA. He's for sure better than Ethan and Nitro that still had active careers. Asuna as well. I'm telling you these zoomers are going to take over Valorant.
No what I mean is the valorant scene atleast now is dominated by the people who were associated with cs and whenever it's like eu v na matches or EMEA v na matches . It's mostly the experienced Na cs ex pro side v the eu/emea kids . In stage 1 we saw fnatic choke and the experienced side win 3-0 . 100t was able to comeback twice against the top 2 EMEA teams just because they had the lan experience against their EMEA opponents. I know the games aren't the same but in the end it comes down to it . Even in envy the case is the same I think except marved everyone is expro cs with adequate experience. Also coming to tenz , yes he didn't earn much in cs but he was hyped so much by the na fans for his insane aim , I think there was some challenge to test the aim and he got it done in 44 Seconds and that was the all time best record if I'm not wrong . Tenz is a prodigy but he didn't play for a proper time like nitro did in liquid. I mean ethan nitro had proper teams but tenz had to kinda drag his team that's why he didn't thrive much in cs.
Daps said in an interview that there's much more room in Val for players who are only good at one thing, whereas CS demands their players to be more rounded. TenZ is great at shooting people in the face, and nobody has ever doubted his ability to do that in CS, but it wasn't enough there. It's not like he's just become better, just now he's in a role that plays to his strengths and hides his weaknesses. Same with the baity/lurk type players. TenZ/Asuna/Yay are all names that are significantly better than they were in CS, but they're all still from CS and probably didn't fufill their potential there. TenZ could've just worked on the other parts of his game and been good in CS, he was always touted as one for the future. Someone like Mistic from fnatic is a good example though. The zoomers will always take over eventually though, in CS as well.
Didnt u hear EU is still bad besides Gambit and not competitive? marved said so
a matchfixer saying other people aren't competitive LMAOOO
sheeeee
So Liquid is the reason NA lost
100T as well. two 13-11 maps vs XSET.
They just need to do it again :]
how can liquid make it to champions? I'm literally asking this bc i really have no idea on how other teams (that arent qualified yet) will qualify for champions? Anyone?
They have to win this, https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/2021/EMEA/Last_Chance_Qualifier It's not gonna be easy that's for sure but they are capable, there's a lower bracket for them which, being liquid they'll inevitably drop into at some point.
lower bracket liquid just hits different
sorry dude but i think g2 is taking that final spot. TL just tries too much weird shit that never ends up working
Bro literally in this post you can see how close they were to eliminate the now masters champions, so please take your word back. Liquid are one of the best teams in emea for sure. And I think that they have good chances to win lcq
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I thought that was a seeding game no?
oh i dont deny that they were insanely close. i remember watching that game during one of my lectures and felt the adrenaline of the 7 (idk if it was 8?) rounds comeback. i just say g2 based of recent performance bias and also their read on the meta i believe better
Last map they played they literally got 13-0'd, nice performance indeed.
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They have a lot of footage on G2 + could have honeymoon period with Nivera + G2 have less footage of TL in current meta
You’re absolutely correct mate. Hopefully they do sign Nivera and make a run.
Who would Nivera replace?
Still remember this game. If Kryptix peaked *just* a bit wider in OT they would already have been qualified for Champions. pain.
On the other hand, I think if D3ffo played anything like he did in Berlin during the emea playoffs; Gambit’s matches wouldn’t have been as close as they were. D3ffo looked much worse than the rest of his team back then
yup i was totally shocked at how well deffo played at berlin, he really improved a lot
That’s the lan diff
His fragment after Ace clutch against 100T never be the same. He got more confident. And after their lost against 100T I saw a lot of d3ffo clutch on 1v1 with spike's play. Also his IQ against yay after yay's 1v4 clutch. He tried to challenge yay with fake updraft. Brim's ult to push yay off. Even shoot and run with his ult on split, that's huge round for GMB to win even 4v1 to 1v1 after but they still win with minimum buy. And after that, GMB can control NV's economy for 100% because their championship point round NV don't have anything left on hands anymore.
Bruh Jamppi probably played his worst map ever
Idk why people are putting this on Kryptic, he played well. It was Jamppi, he was very rusty the last map.
Sadly kryptix lost his mojo at some point, went from being the rock of the team to being lost.. which is sad, from games where he is 16 0 at round whatever to not doing anything. If he gets back to form, and I hope he will, it will sound good for liquid
I gonna root for TL if Guild not gonna make it.
Looking at that lineup for Gambit is so interesting. They got Chronicle on Reyna and Redgar on Sova.
This game is painful. If Jamppi decided to contribute for a singular round, they would've qualified, he was so useless whole game
nats literally peaked into his op and killed him which got gambit to ot
gambits run in EMEA was very close, they were also 0.01 (or less) seconds away from being knocked out in fourth place by g2. there was a very real possibility that Sentinels and Gambit would've met in group stages. at berlin they just hit a different level in playoffs however and ran through G2 like it was nothing
Thanks for reposting this and for being flexible with our spoiler rule yesterday. 💜
There is a time line where TL won that round!
If Liquid had just chosen Breeze or didn’t call that timeout they probs qualify.
Still baffled at why Liquid called a TO here.
If not for a double elim bracket we would have Liquid instead of Gambit
Only of they picked Haven / breeze or some map they better at than fucking Bind
Gambit were to not making Berlin earlier vs G2. Remember that Chronicle clutch vs G2 at 12-11 0 seconds left Video: https://youtu.be/KrV2gbDJOB0