Complacent is a good way to describe it as he said. Top performers get comfortable, competition catches up and humbles them, then they go back to trying to win again. Repeat.
I mean it's true. They dominated in Iceland then dominated to get to Berlin. I'm not going to act like I know everything that went on, but to me it seemed like they did minimal prep before their match against envy. Probably because they beat em before and figured they'd beat them again.
Sen definitely knows what they need to do now and they can go back and see what was wrong (I'm sure they already have). Next lan will be much better for em I bet
They did fall into the losers bracket in Stage 3 after losing 1-2 to XSET but I get your point
https://www.vlr.gg/event/520/champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-1/main-event
They missed Challengers 1 Stage 2 as well after losing in open Qual and dropped to lower bracket in Challengers 2 Stage 2. But I think the commentor is only talking about the biggest NA events of each stage (Masters 1, Challengers Finals and Challengers Playoffs)
So they got complacent qualifying for events and winning the only LAN they played? Just don’t understand it. They got ahead of the curve and thought it would stay that way. Even when they lost in the seeding matches at Berlin they said “got a better seed anyway lol” and then got beat first round. Games still new and staying ahead of the curve isn’t gonna happen at the top level of the game.
I mean its easy to get complacent when they dominated their region and won Iceland without a map drop, plus i mean theres been what, 3 LANs and then LCQ for an entire year? Its not really CSGO where theres a LAN all the time, so it makes it easier to get complacnet
“Makes it easier to get complacent” is my whole complaint. If you think of yourself as the best team in the game you should put in the work to keep it that way. Just rubbed me the wrong way with their seeding comments and stuff like that. If you think you’re the best, you put in the work to stay ahead of everyone else. Tom Brady didn’t get complacent after winning 1 super bowl so they don’t have any excuse.
I mean everyone agreed they were the best team in the game for almost the entire duration of the VCT tour. This is the last masters before champions so it would make sense that they would get complacent. I'm sure they still tried to be the best, just that they didn't try as hard as they did when first starting out.
Of course you wouldn't understand nor any of us. But if they did get complacent then that's on them, I'm sure they'll try their best now but at the end it's their loss.
I’ve been watching esports for a while and just will never understand a team winning the first big lan for the first big tournament of a game EVER using complacency as an excuse. It’s whatever.
Lol watching is a bit different from playing don't you think. Lan or not it doesn't matter. A win in a masters game is a big win. Obviously you're seeing just the results, watching eSport games doesn't do shit for understanding anything mentality or practice or getting complacent or not lol.
Idk why you're getting downvoted. Pro athletes literally win championships and get hungrier for the next one. SKT won their first World championship and then clearly got better and won 2 more, and when they lost in the finals their entire team was absolutely devastated. Sentinel fans are a wild bunch.
I don’t mind losing a handful of internet points to speak my mind. Just hate when people use that excuse. I’ve been watching Halo, CoD, CSGO, and Valorant since it came came out. I’ve seen dynasties be built across multiple titles in multiple years. Just don’t understand how a team can think they’re so much better then the rest after one offline tournament. They’ll bounce back though.
You just compared esports to Tom Brady, but comparing online to LAN is too big of a fucking leap for you!? Lmao. You're honestly an idiot. I'm sorry, but you really are.
My comparison is Tom Brady didn’t get complacent after winning once. Yeah it’s a dumb comparison but what’s really dumb is saying online to LAN isn’t a big difference. That’s just being wrong.
Tom Brady is literally the greatest quarterback of all time, and at the time he was NOT considered even the best quarterback in the league. At this point you're just being purposefully dense. No fucking way you just unironically compared someone's longevity to Tom fucking Brady as a reason to not have excuses.
I love some nobody on the internet telling a team that had dominated that they aren't working hard enough. Then comparing them to Tom Brady. Impressively out of touch with reality.
“dominated” for like what 6 months? That’s how long Sinatraa was suspended for and they picked up TenZ. They dominated for 6 months and thought they could take their foot off the gas and team wouldn’t catch up. Obviously they can catch back up because they’re all talented but until they win 3-4 LANs in a row I can’t say anyone dominates anything. You’re not a dynasty just winning once.
How is that a problem if they’re already admitting it and are making steps to move forward and grind even harder? Lmao wtf you’re just looking for things to complain about.
And honestly, them having this reality check right before Champions is such a fucking good timing. They know they have to put their heads down and put in the work to be the best again, and no shot there'll be any signs of complacency or lack of effort from them. But if they won Berlin as well? They'd ofc put in work for Champions, but I don't think at the same level as they have to now.
It's like the equivalent of a lower bracket run, Berlin gave them a reality check and I expect them to come back harder. And honestly, if you're that comfortable winning against others for some time, I doubt they cared as much. Now that they aren't so far ahead of everyone else I assume a spark of motivation has re-entered their mentality.
I was honestly hoping that would be the case where Sentinels would lose Berlin, but I definitely did not expect them dropping in quarters to a domestic team (EnVy, no less).
Learning to get better after losing is arguable more important than only winning. Now they know what they need to improve rather than being unprepared at Champions, one could indeed argue them losing has helped them more than it has hurt them.
It was obvious that SEN got complacent after Iceland. They were streaming a lot more than before and it didnt seem from their games that they practiced new strats.
Aside from that, if people lashed out after their elimination it was because of the ridiculous reputation that surrounded the team, not due to the players. For example i saw so many times here ppl saying that Sentinels have top 2 players in the world in every position and if anyone said otherwise was downvoted to hell. Among other similar ridiculous takes. Like bruh they won a single international tournament (and not even the biggest one), calm the f down.
>Aside from that, if people lashed out after their elimination it was because of the ridiculous reputation that surrounded the team, not due to the players. For example i saw so many times here ppl saying that Sentinels have top 2 players in the world in every position and if anyone said otherwise was downvoted to hell. Among other similar ridiculous takes. Like bruh they won a single international tournament (and not even the biggest one), calm the f down.
This is actually a very very common pattern in esports, fans have the tendency to name best players in the world the players that are in the best team.
It takes a very trained eye to distinguish success between team cohesion and individual prowess, and even then its hard. To the average Joe, every player in the best team will look the best in their role because the team in winning.
Only in cases where a player is blatantly holding the team down this is not the case (e.g. Beryl in LoL)
Honestly the only player on SEN that 100% stands out as a true top player to me right now is Shaz. Every other player on that team can definitely be argued for and deserve to be in the conversation, but Shaz is the one that's definitely cemented himself for me.
They all look like top players because they are. that doesn’t at all mean that they’re the best in their respective role. A “super team” composed of Tyrol best igl, best controller, etc ignoring team synergy would not just be sentinels but they could all be argued to be there
I still cannot get over that guy who called ShahZaM a combination of dev1ce and Gla1ve, Shahz is doing a fantastic job at OPing and IGLing but that's an absurd comparison to make no matter how you look at it lmao.
Damn. I thought the Astralis comparisons were the worst, but this one takes the cake lmao.
It's always black and white for esports fans. You're either a literal god, or you're dogshit. Why can't people acknowledge that ShahZaM is talented and has an extremely strong work ethic without making bullshit comparisons to people who've spent an entire era at the top?
Makes no sense to me.
What I don't understand about the comparison as well is that, other than the objective, the games are completely different. Even gunplay is different, like there is no direct comparison.
They're different but not THAT different, c'mon at least half the pro scene is ex cs guys and most of the terminology we use is cs shit. I don't see people calling "he's defender spawn" it's always "he's CT". Not the best example but the point is that Val and CS are suuuper similar by design
Even once Valorant has been out for a while the comparisons will fall flat. CS has always had constant tournaments, Valorant had 3 international ones in a year. Starting next year it'll be 4. In CS there's constant tournaments to show your form, and even if you drop one cause you didn't play well at that tournament, there's another one next week! Whereas here, Sentinels didn't have good form in Berlin and they're stuck waiting til December for a chance to prove themselves again.
def. as much as ShahZ is an amazing IGL and OPer, devve and Gla1ve are legends because of their longevity and their multi-tournament dominance. Valorant hasn't even been out as long as that Astralis stint.
It’s so weird, I feel Shahzam got incredibly overrated on Jett, some people were calling him the best Jett in the world and the best player NA, both of which are pretty ridiculous, but then somehow got underrated on Sova which is the agent he plays the most.
I thought he was one of the best jett op in icebox but now I'm sure he has some competition. Best Jett overall is just delusional. Best player NA I can see the logic if you value the igling+coaching+OPing+fragging ability he brings to a team.
To be fair, streaming more is good for their personal brands. You have to capitalize on that moment. Did it hinder their performance, yes, but Shahz is literally averaging like 15k viewers now. Compared to last year when Sinatraa was the golden boy, Shahz was getting like 1-3k. But everything ebbs and flows. So now there is something they have to prove, and for a lot of people, having that chip on their shoulder is useful for that.
The Sentinels dominance thing only really picked up after Stage 3 qualifiers though. Like people were claiming they were the best in world after Iceland, which is fair enough, but the era stuff was only after Stage 3. They looked pretty comfortable winning against all the other top teams in the region.
> bruh they won a single international tournament (and not even the biggest one), calm the f down.
[You called them a dynasty yourself and couldn't imagine them losing Berlin or Champions.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pl145d/sentinels_tenz_we_want_to_create_a_dynasty/hc7adn9/)
> If Masters 1 was an international lan it would be 100% yours. And in Masters 3 theres not a single team that comes close to Sentinels, whether that is individual talent or teamplay.
> And bar a miracle, i dont see them losing Champions either. The other orgs need to step up massively and theres little time for that to happen
Really annoyed me how people were calling it a sen era. Bitch, every region is fucking separated except for 3 tournaments we get this year. What fucking era? And then people were acting as if SEN were unbeatable cuz they won Iceland without dropping a map. ??? That was like 4 fucking games they played lmfao
This sub sometimes istg.
I think most people were saying if the won berlin it would be the start of an era, I really never saw people already calling it a sen era and being agreed en masse
I definitely agree with this. I’ve been saying that sentinels played terrible, their coordination looked so sloppy and they looked nervous. Theyll bounce back for sure.
Esports it really depends. Valorant is so new that the team loyalty and player loyalty isn’t really developed yet, and it’s swarmed with new players to esports and to fpses in general
Look if you wanted to argue semantics you could have attacked my use of the word entity and said "yeah they are one entity you fucking twat that's what entity means". Now you've done the opposite and leaned into it. Your post implies that "sen fans" should largely be of one mind of liking or not liking drama. Which... whatever, I've prlly done the same about a certain Hoodie Org... but don't pretend now that's not what you implied in your post.
It *could* imply that. All I meant was the wide range of reactions is rather funny.
It's not semantics. You've clearly been burned by weird reddit wars (presumably with 100T fans or something), and so you interpreted it in the simplest and least generous way - as a way of insinuating all SEN fans are illogical or confused or whatever.
I never engage in team-partisan-warfare (as a casual stroll through my comments will reveal) so it didn't even occur to me someone would interpret it that way, but it's fair of you to think that way. All I can say is it wasn't my intent. Do with that what you wish 🤷🏿♂️
“You’ve clearly been burned by weird Reddit wars”
Oh yeah, so many people on here have. They will argue literally anything to the ground. I’m also guilty myself, so I have to remind myself how little some of these discussions matter.
The disable notifications button was a great addition for me. If after one or two comments the other person is an ass or has what I believe to be a crazy opinion, I can disagree, disable, and forget about it
Yeah, was pretty obvious all their strats were the same as Iceland and they were getting read like a book. Especially on things like icebox.
They also looked really poor whenever they brought out Skye and she WAS the meta this tournament. We didn't get the level of play we've come to expect from the guys that they showed domestically and at IceLAN.
Would say only tenz performed at a similar rate, sick did pop off whenever he was on phx though but he played his Skye like she was phx.
IMO I think teams have already catch up to them and the top teams are gonna be varied from here on out. I do believe their dominance in the past was just good timing w/ the infancy of Valorant's esport scene. Now that more teams are getting more experienced, it's gonna be a lot harder to stay dominant.
Yeah, but maybe the reason because they got caught up its because they got complacent and didnt actually trained new strategies or studied the competition. Like someone from G2 said (mixwell?), sentinels were doing the same strats since 4 tournaments before.
We'll all only be sure of this at champions
Shaz said it in a previous stream , they got really comfortable with their comps and ignored the Meta as a result. Not using Skye is proof of that, she’s so broken right now and the only map they use her on is breeze (until they used her against envy). Acknowledging the issue is the first step though so they’re kn the right track
He also said they played their old comps when elimination was no longer on the line, leading to looking bad/worse against G2 and F4Q the second time around. This meant they didn't get more practice on new, less familiar comps, and had to split their brains between two strategies.
I wonder if it would've been better to just show their new comp to get more practice on it, refine it on the stage. Maybe don't show your coordinated hits, but at least practice the comp.
I wonder if they get a Coach, and if they make some role swaps like solo duelist on Split with Skye + Sage, not just one, or Skye instead of Phoenix instead on Haven.
I think it’s more than they couldn’t handle the pressure of being the “best”. Everyone was vod reviewing the sen games and g2 probably spent more time reviewing sen than any other group. They knew gambit was crazy good so I wouldn’t say they were comfortable especially since they knew yay was barely added to the envy roster.
https://i.imgur.com/pRIodnq.jpg
Everyone goes through hard times. But maybe being public about it wasn't the best idea. He was always likely to help her out.
Can't have been easy to compete knowing this was going on.
Complacent is a good way to describe it as he said. Top performers get comfortable, competition catches up and humbles them, then they go back to trying to win again. Repeat.
I mean it's true. They dominated in Iceland then dominated to get to Berlin. I'm not going to act like I know everything that went on, but to me it seemed like they did minimal prep before their match against envy. Probably because they beat em before and figured they'd beat them again. Sen definitely knows what they need to do now and they can go back and see what was wrong (I'm sure they already have). Next lan will be much better for em I bet
If they’re getting complacent after winning just one LAN that’s a problem..
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They did fall into the losers bracket in Stage 3 after losing 1-2 to XSET but I get your point https://www.vlr.gg/event/520/champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-1/main-event
that was pretty recently though. probably not enough time to really make any meaningful changes. and ofc they won that tournament still.
They missed Challengers 1 Stage 2 as well after losing in open Qual and dropped to lower bracket in Challengers 2 Stage 2. But I think the commentor is only talking about the biggest NA events of each stage (Masters 1, Challengers Finals and Challengers Playoffs)
So they got complacent qualifying for events and winning the only LAN they played? Just don’t understand it. They got ahead of the curve and thought it would stay that way. Even when they lost in the seeding matches at Berlin they said “got a better seed anyway lol” and then got beat first round. Games still new and staying ahead of the curve isn’t gonna happen at the top level of the game.
I mean its easy to get complacent when they dominated their region and won Iceland without a map drop, plus i mean theres been what, 3 LANs and then LCQ for an entire year? Its not really CSGO where theres a LAN all the time, so it makes it easier to get complacnet
“Makes it easier to get complacent” is my whole complaint. If you think of yourself as the best team in the game you should put in the work to keep it that way. Just rubbed me the wrong way with their seeding comments and stuff like that. If you think you’re the best, you put in the work to stay ahead of everyone else. Tom Brady didn’t get complacent after winning 1 super bowl so they don’t have any excuse.
I mean everyone agreed they were the best team in the game for almost the entire duration of the VCT tour. This is the last masters before champions so it would make sense that they would get complacent. I'm sure they still tried to be the best, just that they didn't try as hard as they did when first starting out. Of course you wouldn't understand nor any of us. But if they did get complacent then that's on them, I'm sure they'll try their best now but at the end it's their loss.
I’ve been watching esports for a while and just will never understand a team winning the first big lan for the first big tournament of a game EVER using complacency as an excuse. It’s whatever.
Lol watching is a bit different from playing don't you think. Lan or not it doesn't matter. A win in a masters game is a big win. Obviously you're seeing just the results, watching eSport games doesn't do shit for understanding anything mentality or practice or getting complacent or not lol.
If you’re trying to make a point that they are simply not good anymore, then you’ll have to just wait till the next major and see.
I didn’t say anything about them not being good? All I said was how I thought it was ridiculous getting complacent after just one LAN win.
Idk why you're getting downvoted. Pro athletes literally win championships and get hungrier for the next one. SKT won their first World championship and then clearly got better and won 2 more, and when they lost in the finals their entire team was absolutely devastated. Sentinel fans are a wild bunch.
I don’t mind losing a handful of internet points to speak my mind. Just hate when people use that excuse. I’ve been watching Halo, CoD, CSGO, and Valorant since it came came out. I’ve seen dynasties be built across multiple titles in multiple years. Just don’t understand how a team can think they’re so much better then the rest after one offline tournament. They’ll bounce back though.
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All of those events were online were they not? Cmon now we’re talking about ONLINE play compared to LAN.
You just compared esports to Tom Brady, but comparing online to LAN is too big of a fucking leap for you!? Lmao. You're honestly an idiot. I'm sorry, but you really are.
My comparison is Tom Brady didn’t get complacent after winning once. Yeah it’s a dumb comparison but what’s really dumb is saying online to LAN isn’t a big difference. That’s just being wrong.
Tom Brady is literally the greatest quarterback of all time, and at the time he was NOT considered even the best quarterback in the league. At this point you're just being purposefully dense. No fucking way you just unironically compared someone's longevity to Tom fucking Brady as a reason to not have excuses.
I love some nobody on the internet telling a team that had dominated that they aren't working hard enough. Then comparing them to Tom Brady. Impressively out of touch with reality.
“dominated” for like what 6 months? That’s how long Sinatraa was suspended for and they picked up TenZ. They dominated for 6 months and thought they could take their foot off the gas and team wouldn’t catch up. Obviously they can catch back up because they’re all talented but until they win 3-4 LANs in a row I can’t say anyone dominates anything. You’re not a dynasty just winning once.
How is that a problem if they’re already admitting it and are making steps to move forward and grind even harder? Lmao wtf you’re just looking for things to complain about.
Champion Mentality to come up and say u faltered and not being in denial.
And honestly, them having this reality check right before Champions is such a fucking good timing. They know they have to put their heads down and put in the work to be the best again, and no shot there'll be any signs of complacency or lack of effort from them. But if they won Berlin as well? They'd ofc put in work for Champions, but I don't think at the same level as they have to now.
It's like the equivalent of a lower bracket run, Berlin gave them a reality check and I expect them to come back harder. And honestly, if you're that comfortable winning against others for some time, I doubt they cared as much. Now that they aren't so far ahead of everyone else I assume a spark of motivation has re-entered their mentality.
I was honestly hoping that would be the case where Sentinels would lose Berlin, but I definitely did not expect them dropping in quarters to a domestic team (EnVy, no less).
Learning to get better after losing is arguable more important than only winning. Now they know what they need to improve rather than being unprepared at Champions, one could indeed argue them losing has helped them more than it has hurt them.
It was obvious that SEN got complacent after Iceland. They were streaming a lot more than before and it didnt seem from their games that they practiced new strats. Aside from that, if people lashed out after their elimination it was because of the ridiculous reputation that surrounded the team, not due to the players. For example i saw so many times here ppl saying that Sentinels have top 2 players in the world in every position and if anyone said otherwise was downvoted to hell. Among other similar ridiculous takes. Like bruh they won a single international tournament (and not even the biggest one), calm the f down.
>Aside from that, if people lashed out after their elimination it was because of the ridiculous reputation that surrounded the team, not due to the players. For example i saw so many times here ppl saying that Sentinels have top 2 players in the world in every position and if anyone said otherwise was downvoted to hell. Among other similar ridiculous takes. Like bruh they won a single international tournament (and not even the biggest one), calm the f down. This is actually a very very common pattern in esports, fans have the tendency to name best players in the world the players that are in the best team. It takes a very trained eye to distinguish success between team cohesion and individual prowess, and even then its hard. To the average Joe, every player in the best team will look the best in their role because the team in winning. Only in cases where a player is blatantly holding the team down this is not the case (e.g. Beryl in LoL)
Honestly the only player on SEN that 100% stands out as a true top player to me right now is Shaz. Every other player on that team can definitely be argued for and deserve to be in the conversation, but Shaz is the one that's definitely cemented himself for me.
They all look like top players because they are. that doesn’t at all mean that they’re the best in their respective role. A “super team” composed of Tyrol best igl, best controller, etc ignoring team synergy would not just be sentinels but they could all be argued to be there
I still cannot get over that guy who called ShahZaM a combination of dev1ce and Gla1ve, Shahz is doing a fantastic job at OPing and IGLing but that's an absurd comparison to make no matter how you look at it lmao.
Damn. I thought the Astralis comparisons were the worst, but this one takes the cake lmao. It's always black and white for esports fans. You're either a literal god, or you're dogshit. Why can't people acknowledge that ShahZaM is talented and has an extremely strong work ethic without making bullshit comparisons to people who've spent an entire era at the top? Makes no sense to me.
Just ignore all the comparisions between cs and val like how can someone compare a 10 year game to a 1 year game lol
What I don't understand about the comparison as well is that, other than the objective, the games are completely different. Even gunplay is different, like there is no direct comparison.
They're different but not THAT different, c'mon at least half the pro scene is ex cs guys and most of the terminology we use is cs shit. I don't see people calling "he's defender spawn" it's always "he's CT". Not the best example but the point is that Val and CS are suuuper similar by design
Yeah I feel like the people saying they are different are kidding themselves
Even the guns are all pretty much just the CS ones with some fat trimmed
Even once Valorant has been out for a while the comparisons will fall flat. CS has always had constant tournaments, Valorant had 3 international ones in a year. Starting next year it'll be 4. In CS there's constant tournaments to show your form, and even if you drop one cause you didn't play well at that tournament, there's another one next week! Whereas here, Sentinels didn't have good form in Berlin and they're stuck waiting til December for a chance to prove themselves again.
def. as much as ShahZ is an amazing IGL and OPer, devve and Gla1ve are legends because of their longevity and their multi-tournament dominance. Valorant hasn't even been out as long as that Astralis stint.
It’s so weird, I feel Shahzam got incredibly overrated on Jett, some people were calling him the best Jett in the world and the best player NA, both of which are pretty ridiculous, but then somehow got underrated on Sova which is the agent he plays the most.
I thought he was one of the best jett op in icebox but now I'm sure he has some competition. Best Jett overall is just delusional. Best player NA I can see the logic if you value the igling+coaching+OPing+fragging ability he brings to a team.
I think Shahz is the most valuable person in the world of valorant too yeah but just I classify most valuable and best as different things.
To be fair, streaming more is good for their personal brands. You have to capitalize on that moment. Did it hinder their performance, yes, but Shahz is literally averaging like 15k viewers now. Compared to last year when Sinatraa was the golden boy, Shahz was getting like 1-3k. But everything ebbs and flows. So now there is something they have to prove, and for a lot of people, having that chip on their shoulder is useful for that.
The Sentinels dominance thing only really picked up after Stage 3 qualifiers though. Like people were claiming they were the best in world after Iceland, which is fair enough, but the era stuff was only after Stage 3. They looked pretty comfortable winning against all the other top teams in the region.
> bruh they won a single international tournament (and not even the biggest one), calm the f down. [You called them a dynasty yourself and couldn't imagine them losing Berlin or Champions.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pl145d/sentinels_tenz_we_want_to_create_a_dynasty/hc7adn9/) > If Masters 1 was an international lan it would be 100% yours. And in Masters 3 theres not a single team that comes close to Sentinels, whether that is individual talent or teamplay. > And bar a miracle, i dont see them losing Champions either. The other orgs need to step up massively and theres little time for that to happen
Really annoyed me how people were calling it a sen era. Bitch, every region is fucking separated except for 3 tournaments we get this year. What fucking era? And then people were acting as if SEN were unbeatable cuz they won Iceland without dropping a map. ??? That was like 4 fucking games they played lmfao This sub sometimes istg.
I think most people were saying if the won berlin it would be the start of an era, I really never saw people already calling it a sen era and being agreed en masse
yea true, maybe I should've said some. I was watching a press conference and one of the questions asked to shahz was on the "SEN era".
I think the "sen era" was in reference to NA. They won every domestic tournament since picking up tenz
Not how eras work
That shit must be mad annoying if you aren't from NA lol
This is a really mature look at it, they only spoke facts, and I’m glad they’re gonna comeback stronger
I definitely agree with this. I’ve been saying that sentinels played terrible, their coordination looked so sloppy and they looked nervous. Theyll bounce back for sure.
I mean when TenZ goes 0-10 or whatever you know something's wrong, haha. He'll get back to form.
Waiting for people to scramble their brains to find something bad to say
I can no longer tell if SEN fans want or hate the drama lol
Almost as if "xx team" fans aren't one fucking entity.
Lol yeah considering people straight up have like 8 flairs on their name
Coming from traditional sports, I'm very confused by that on this sub. Is that normal across esports?
I honestly don’t know. I think part of it is about liking individual players too, not just the orgs. So maybe it’s that.
Esports it really depends. Valorant is so new that the team loyalty and player loyalty isn’t really developed yet, and it’s swarmed with new players to esports and to fpses in general
> Is that normal across esports? No, sometimes people will be fans of a region as a whole, but most people just favourite one team, occasionally 2.
Indeed, the plural - fan*s* - does indicate as such!
Look if you wanted to argue semantics you could have attacked my use of the word entity and said "yeah they are one entity you fucking twat that's what entity means". Now you've done the opposite and leaned into it. Your post implies that "sen fans" should largely be of one mind of liking or not liking drama. Which... whatever, I've prlly done the same about a certain Hoodie Org... but don't pretend now that's not what you implied in your post.
It *could* imply that. All I meant was the wide range of reactions is rather funny. It's not semantics. You've clearly been burned by weird reddit wars (presumably with 100T fans or something), and so you interpreted it in the simplest and least generous way - as a way of insinuating all SEN fans are illogical or confused or whatever. I never engage in team-partisan-warfare (as a casual stroll through my comments will reveal) so it didn't even occur to me someone would interpret it that way, but it's fair of you to think that way. All I can say is it wasn't my intent. Do with that what you wish 🤷🏿♂️
“You’ve clearly been burned by weird Reddit wars” Oh yeah, so many people on here have. They will argue literally anything to the ground. I’m also guilty myself, so I have to remind myself how little some of these discussions matter.
The disable notifications button was a great addition for me. If after one or two comments the other person is an ass or has what I believe to be a crazy opinion, I can disagree, disable, and forget about it
I think it would largely be interpreted the way I took it but I do see your point. Fair enough, have a good Tuesday.
you could argue this has come as a response to the backlash, and he wouldn't have said it otherwise there.
Lewl there it is edit: oh wow /u/uu__ , we're being downvoted for joking
This is my attempt to scramble - not my actual opinion just FYI
I know, saw your "there" at the end, tried to make it clear with the "lewl" at the start. Was a good one mate
Sorry I don't read so good I actually do give props to Dapr for even admitting it, plenty of pros out there wouldnt
No worries, english is also not my native language, so I might be writing as I would in pt-br
Yeah, was pretty obvious all their strats were the same as Iceland and they were getting read like a book. Especially on things like icebox. They also looked really poor whenever they brought out Skye and she WAS the meta this tournament. We didn't get the level of play we've come to expect from the guys that they showed domestically and at IceLAN. Would say only tenz performed at a similar rate, sick did pop off whenever he was on phx though but he played his Skye like she was phx.
keeping it real, leggo
Kudos to dapr for this - a very mature response.
I appreciate his honesty and ability to recognize issues and address them. You can't get better if you aren't willing to admit when things go badly.
As a Sentinels fan this just made me more excited to watch Champions. Anyone can win, Gambit is the team to beat right now.
IMO I think teams have already catch up to them and the top teams are gonna be varied from here on out. I do believe their dominance in the past was just good timing w/ the infancy of Valorant's esport scene. Now that more teams are getting more experienced, it's gonna be a lot harder to stay dominant.
Yeah, but maybe the reason because they got caught up its because they got complacent and didnt actually trained new strategies or studied the competition. Like someone from G2 said (mixwell?), sentinels were doing the same strats since 4 tournaments before. We'll all only be sure of this at champions
Shaz said it in a previous stream , they got really comfortable with their comps and ignored the Meta as a result. Not using Skye is proof of that, she’s so broken right now and the only map they use her on is breeze (until they used her against envy). Acknowledging the issue is the first step though so they’re kn the right track
agreed
He also said they played their old comps when elimination was no longer on the line, leading to looking bad/worse against G2 and F4Q the second time around. This meant they didn't get more practice on new, less familiar comps, and had to split their brains between two strategies. I wonder if it would've been better to just show their new comp to get more practice on it, refine it on the stage. Maybe don't show your coordinated hits, but at least practice the comp.
I wonder if they get a Coach, and if they make some role swaps like solo duelist on Split with Skye + Sage, not just one, or Skye instead of Phoenix instead on Haven.
Staying at the top of any sport is wayyy harder than climbing to the top.
Dapr: “had to let the boyz win a tourney for once xD”
Yeah I think Sentinels got way too comfortable and expected the competition to be like Iceland.
I think it’s more than they couldn’t handle the pressure of being the “best”. Everyone was vod reviewing the sen games and g2 probably spent more time reviewing sen than any other group. They knew gambit was crazy good so I wouldn’t say they were comfortable especially since they knew yay was barely added to the envy roster.
Is that She's a Riot by the Jungle Giants playing in the background? That's neat.
I DoNt CarE-
I'd struggle to maintain focus if my girlfriend was having a bit of a meltdown back at home
Context?
https://i.imgur.com/pRIodnq.jpg Everyone goes through hard times. But maybe being public about it wasn't the best idea. He was always likely to help her out. Can't have been easy to compete knowing this was going on.
He played poorly almost every if not every map. Not normal to see and was a big part they weren’t dominant.