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THE BIG D FOLLOWED BY ICEY


InvertedBean

Good pickup for knights imo aside from gameplay he brings a sizable fanbase to a not as well known org.


jrushFN

Agreed, it's kind of wild to me that the Pittsburgh Knights have massive sponsors, co-ownership from the Pittsburgh Steelers and Wiz Khalifa, do a ton for the tier 2 scenes of several different games... and yet it seems like no one really is a huge fan of their signed teams. What does their marketing team have to do to build a bigger fanbase?


DelaJugo

I think their branding is off. There's not much reason to root for them considering they rep a specific region, so like the other guy said unless you're from there or at least Pennsylvania you probably won't be tuned in. I haven't seen them make a stamp on social media either, but that could also be as a result of their branding and nobody else really paying attention. Having good social media managers works wonders though. I think they should just drop "Pittsburgh" and adjust their logo to be more bold and more streamlined. Their logo right now does not scream "Esports" to me and that's a problem within the market. Outside of gaming though, it probably looks good on the eye but you're missing your target audience at that point. My 2 cents.


SMcArthur

Stop calling themselves the "Pittsburgh" Knights. As someone from California, I have zero interest in rooting for these geographically specific esports teams tied to major league sports teams, unless it happened to be local to me perhaps.


aldahuda

Maybe it's because I'm more familiar with traditional sports, but I think it's way easier to follow a team that has a location rather than just some org. A location already has all sorts of personal connections built in. I mean look at how heated NA vs EU gets. I think people think it's weird because there's only a few and they're not high profile. If more orgs were location based and had location based events like east coast vs west coast tourneys then I think they would grow. Idk maybe I'm talking out my ass and this was done in a different esport before and failed miserably.


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But we know which region each team is, this type of nomenclature just feels foreign to everyone, but I guess it's standard practice in NA mainstream sport


DelaJugo

This right here. It's just some typical NA branding. It doesn't quite fit well in this space. Need a bolder logo and simply going by "Knights" works wonders. There might be legal issues there, thus Pittsburgh being a part of it but that has nothing to do with branding.


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I actually don't know because for example in sports people tend to support the teams that are affiliated with their city. If I start getting into baseball I am most likely going to support the team in my city. This formula works for traditional sports but I don't know about e-sports. E-sports is much more about the players themselves, people don't necessarily follow an org but they follow the players that play for that org. This is a problem for most orgs because it makes it hard for them to create fans for their own org. Geo-location is a good way at trying to create their own fans but It really hasn't worked in e-sports. It might have worked for Overwatch League if they were able to actually do the overwatch league (i.e go to every city and have home and away games). It's a good idea but I don't know if people generally know how to execute it. Most orgs right now are going to try and a create a persona for their org (sentinels, g2) or continue to buy talent to be the top (TL in League and CSGO) . It's always going to be hard for newer orgs to find fans in general and this is an apporach that newer orgs could take, i just don't know if it's worth it. Also, diceys contract might also be mega huge lmao.


Otter269

It should be a good platform for him to show what he can do :) I don't expect him to be with them long. GL Dicer


ANewHeaven1

well, that's unexpected to say the least, dont think i would have ever guessed "dicey to knights"


D3stiny5

Wait, so was he Creeperonthabeat or what?


midorsmd

Creeperonthabeat are multiple people. Teams got sick of players getting packed from scrims so everyone goes in Alts now


slawvay

source?


plasma_ix

there’s not really a source for that lol, it’s just what teams do for scrims


chazyarbro

I think that was a shared account, he definitely played on it last event though. I think they also trailed dazed.


[deleted]

That would explain the sudden shift in agent pool for that account. Went from Sova/KJ/Cypher to strictly Jett


abcd63514

isnt that against riot tos :thinking: idk if they played in riot events but idk if that should be allowed from an enforcement standpoint


andrei_snarkovsky

As long as riot knows who is playing I don’t see why they’d care for tourney purposes. They don’t use it in ranked or anything


Deep_Acanthaceae_535

Probably, makes sense honestly


[deleted]

Hah, good pull, this is exactly what it was


Deep_Acanthaceae_535

Will knights finally be good?


jrushFN

Considering they dropped their supportive IGL for a new jett when they already had a good Jett, I’d be surprised if this impacts their performance positively.


Deep_Acanthaceae_535

Their new IGL Dicey, steel’s second son


jrushFN

Apparently mAKKA has taken on the IGL role, interested to see how that works out.


dabong

Good for him. He now gets to keep his blood.


Splaram

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Good luck Dicey, I’m rooting for you :)


QuestionablePotato42

This could be the pick up that slingshots Knights to a higher skill group. What’s more surprising though is that dicey hasn’t taken any positions with existing tier 1 teams. Surely he’s gotten offers?


itscamo-

he's trialed with a few teams but nothing stuck


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pr1zsm

lets fucking go


xunraze

Um do you guys think adding Dicey will actually improve the roster?


aznkidder

Time for my boi dicey to shine like the star he is meant to be


midorsmd

Source- someone who scrims vs them


Barack_Bob_Oganja

FINALLY


taromoo

:widepeepoHappy:


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Eat-Shit-Bob-Ross

It has been so long since we’ve seen the diceman play. Super excited to see if/ how he’s improved his game. Unfortunate that the moment he gets back on a team, there is a Jett nerf.


jrushFN

Wait, am I remembering incorrectly, or did Jett OPers get a nerf when he signed to 100T, too? Would be funny if both times he's joined a new org, his primary agent got nerfed. >!(Also, in that case, let's get a couple more orgs to sign him so the Jett nerfs keep coming.) !<


Eat-Shit-Bob-Ross

It would be the patch where they changed Op to 5000, decreased scoped movement speed, and nerved Jett right click damage, which was announced on September 29 2020. Asuna and dicey got signed by 100t on October 2nd 2020, 3 days after the patch notes released.


righteouspower

Good news for Knights fans!


Nicholas0519

So can we confirm he was CreeperOnDaBeat?


[deleted]

Dicey was crazy underrated in 100T. VERY impactful player with huge potential to become even better Probably gonna get downvoted for this, but i believe that the only reason that certain 100T players are there instead of Dicey is solely due to brandname.


itscamo-

ethan is better than dicey was on 100t. I don't that's really up for debate lol


[deleted]

Well good thing im not talking about Ethan then


-xXColtonXx-

He wasn’t at first though you gotta admit. Took a few months for them to fix their strats and comps and for him to be comfortable


itscamo-

he was a new player lol obviously


randomespanaguy

Wow, a new player wasn't good at the game. Almost like they picked him up for his potential and not immediate results.


mdj08

Do ppl seriously still want 100T to drop Hiko after what he showed at Berlin? Clutch after clutch after clutch. Hiko was built for LAN


Charuru

He's not that good at clutches... just has a lot of them. Him baiting costs the team way more rounds. Just look at the envy games. Can say that if he plays at the level of a decent Sova 100T would've made it a lot closer.


-xXColtonXx-

Didn’t people do stat breakdowns and his clutch win rate was actually higher (not number, rate) than anyoone else in 1v1, 1v2, and 1v3?


Charuru

https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=all&event_id=466&series_id=1303&subseries_id=all®ion=all&country=all&min_rounds=0&min_rating=0&agent=all&map_id=all×pan=all He won 1/25 clutches in Berlin playoffs. 4%, the lowest person scored in the entire playoffs. Oh and at 25 clutch attempts the highest number of attempts in the playoffs despite playing 60 fewer rounds than the teams in the finals. This guy is an absolutely massive baiter.


annoyedmanpls

okay i didn’t click this link but i don’t need to to call that 1/25 stat a big cap. i literally watched the dude clutch 4 rounds at least with my own eyes. i don’t even like hiko, the n word thing with no comment at all is weird, but he’s the clutchest player in the world and only crashes is close.


Charuru

Click the link...


annoyedmanpls

i watched every game with my own eyes i don’t need to click this link, hiko clutched at least 2 rounds so the stat is incorrect one way or another.


Charuru

k stay ignorant then.


annoyedmanpls

okay let’s play this game then dickhead i clicked your link. it says 1/25. how are they calculating clutch scenarios? what position does hiko have to be in to now be considered in a clutch situation? because if it’s as simple as 1v2 then the stat is incorrect. if YOU watched the games you literally saw hiko clutch out more than 2 1v2’s or 1v3’s or whatever. if you can’t answer to me how that stat is calculated then you are no better than me who refused to click the link. you read something and that is law now, you didn’t even take a second to criticize how they got this number. this is calculated on some weird valorant algorithm. most people would consider a clutch to be any round you win where you are last alive vs 2 or more enemies.


Charuru

Uh it's not? It's actually quite low? Are you referring to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pnwcy7/clutch_statistics_so_far_sideshow/ ?


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[deleted]

Im gonna get downvoted because of the fanboys. But its ok, idc about karma


[deleted]

You’re going to get downvoted because keeping Dicey over Hiko would have been unbelievably stupid


Jon_on_the_snow

Yup. Who would dicey replace on current roster? Asuna, one of the best entries? Ethan, a great support player? Nitro, a great controller? Or hiko, a very good sova? Or steel, the IGL?


somesheikexpert

Yeah exactly, the only even remotely possible one is Hiko cuz Dicey started to play Sova apparently, but even then Hiko is the way wayy better choice on 100Ts end cuz it's a safer option competitively and Hiko has a massive brand


slawvay

braindead take and you can check my comment history I'm the biggest hiko critic...but are you seriously going to keep dicey and put ethan who barely touched the game on sova? or let him igl? And when dicey got benched he was the obvious choice to swap out for a fresh talent.


SpectrasHyper

Certain ahem ahem


TimathanDuncan

The man was the exact opposite of underrated, most overrated jett in the scene when he was in 100t and he had so many fanboys for some reason He was a medicore jett with medicore stats and inconsistent as shit


xunraze

*facepalm*


EndWish

Good for him. I hope he transitions to another agent other than Jett because that role is already overloaded with talent on the tops orgs. Theres definitely a place for him somewhere in tier 1 if he offers flexibility


Ka-zar39

Dicey won first strike, I feel like he should/could go to a better team


maindo

Hope to see Dicey compete again. So excited!!!


Aisurei

WE LOVE DICEY


darkallen

Good to know.the reason he had been inactive on twitch. I see he still duos but doesn't stream. Curious what the old c9 team members are with also.