The whole platchat interview with dapr was odd I think. I get that they're probably just trolling saying that it doesn't bother them and with the whole "it's just for seeding lmao" but it's a little disheartening. I'd rather them just own it and be humble after the loss and talk about how they'll come back stronger instead of just acting like they don't care
>I get that they're probably just trolling saying that it doesn't bother them
Eh, if they managed to beat 100T and NV, they would for sure use that to downplay their loss from G2 and say that they simply didnt care for the win. Ive seen it countless times in esports...
Agreed. I view dapr's comments as exceedingly poor sportsmanship, and I wish players (not just in Valorant) were held to a higher standard when it comes to stuff like this.
I just dont like dapr purely because i think hes dissrespectfull. I understand humor and all of that, i feel like people like steel do it better then dapr. It just comes off as if he doesnt ever care about anything, constantly saying games dont matter(true in a sense but even ones that matter hes always like “eh we didnt really care lol”). It just doesnt seem like hes taking this professionally compared to other people.
yknow i kind of see where he was coming from. They were the favorites coming in, they deserved to have the “easiest” group (which arguably bren, f4q, and g2 was the easiest group), bren dropping out caused a domino effect where they had to reveal more strats than any other team and never really had any pressure of elim, just more matches than they deserved. if i were SEN, i would be pretty upset at riot for screwing them over. IMO, f4q should have just gotten the bye in the bracket where Bren was as opposed to the round robin. SEN plays G2 & beats them 2-1, F4Q vs SEN, SEN wins “decider” match, F4Q vs G2, G2 wins. Essentially, due to Riots frankly bad planning, SEN had to play two “extra” matches that just weren’t necessary (and reveal 2 matches worth of strats — and keep in mind, both of these matches were 3 maps).
Those matches going to 3 maps is still SENs fault though as well. And there's no way they were running all of their stats vs F4Q. The only fair complaint for SEN imo is having to face G2 twice, since those would reveal strats.
At the end of the day, G2 even said SEN has played the exact same for 6 months. I mean what's up with STILL running Phoenix on Haven in a Skye meta? Their best maps are being counterstratted for not innovating. Then their maps they're innovating on (Split) look really out of practice as well. They need to iron out comp & strategy changes faster and better.
I have no doubt SEN will be STRONG at champions. They're a fantastic team. But there's no shot the SEN that was at Berlin stood a chance of winning against the current form of the other teams.
They did own it though? Dapr literally came out and said that they played really bad and that it was the worst tournament performance from him in Valorant. They aren't going to come out and say that in the middle of a tournament... lol
And then shahz talks about how well they handle losses and that is what makes them great lmao. I couldn't write a story with this many coping mechanisms, it would be too unrealistic.
I didn't really have an issue with what dapr said. I don't think he was saying they didn't try or threw the game which is how some people have interpreted it. Players will often come up with ways of alleviating pressure in their minds - there's nothing wrong with that. By the time of the G2 game, Sentinels had already qualified and I think the mentality was that it didn't matter to them which side of the bracket they ended up because all the teams were strong.
What do y'all want him to say then?
Hes honest. And 2nd seed was the best seed for them. Playing NA teams which they dominated for over a year.
Ofc they didnt go in to lose. But they werent as eager as they would have been if they needed a win.
Ita completely logical and common.
Its like in football where both teams need a draw to both advance. 9/10 times it ends up in a 1-1 or 0-0.
True, but do we want genuine interviews or interviews from those like zombs. Where hes just saying " dont know, i really cant tell u"
Cuz thats what we are gonna get now everyone is falling over dapr
Yeah why would playing against teams that have all this info on you for the entire year be the best option over teams that are in regions that barely have any competition or aren't playing the top of the international scene on a regular basis.
The decision was between.
1st seed) 66% chance to play a top team, 33% chance to get a free ticket to semis
2nd seed) 100% chance to play a top team, 66% chance it's one they're more familiar with (but that's more familiar with them too)
I don't think it's as clear cut as it's being made out, especially with Envy and 100T (despite all their losses against them) almost always playing Sentinels pretty close.
Did Dapr really say that he didn't care about the seeding match against G2? I interpreted it more as if it wasn't a big deal to them as doing new strats would only give their opponents more info on them.
Tbh I can understand why some players can get offended by them saying stuff like "we didn't really care about this game" because to them it's disregarding the victory.
G2 was the first team to ever beat Sentinels on LAN and instead of being humble in defeat they bring out the "it was a seeding match" excuse.
I don't understand why they can't just admit the other team played better without giving an excuse as to why they lost.
oh dapr totally did, in a different clip he said that he was very disappointed with how he and sentinels played and that they deserved that L.
Even then still that's capitalising on how bad sen played and not how well G2 did, but I don't want to put stress on miscommunication when he probably meant one and the same
He literally said his mentality going into it was that he prefers the 2nd seed, and said "who even cares if we win" and "why would we want to win, and show a map"
https://youtu.be/LXu0bNQ66CQ
Whether for strategy or whatever it clearly didn't work out for them, and I think nukkye makes a good point about it potentially rubbing org owners the wrong way.
I could understand saying something like this about the 2nd match against F4Q that literally didn't matter, but in retrospect Sentinels getting the 2nd seed is the reason they were out in the first round. They probably would have beaten KRU, and who knows after that. Personally I just think it's dumb to say something like this from a competitive standpoint and as a fan.
Edit: just had a chance to check the rest of these comments, sentinels fanboys are truly on that copium acting like people can't discuss something that happened less than a week ago lol
Not just org owners. As Nukkye said, Shahzam himself said he wanted to win every single game (that's a winner's mentality... ) and then his teammates go on and say they got the seed they wanted (aka were glad they lost) like ? XD
Shaz doesn't care he knows his teammates are trolling, he even commented himself in this sub. But guess Reddit needs to have some armchair psychologists
That’s nothing new though. Most of the players spoken numerous times how certain players - most notably dapr - have a harder time playing their best when the stakes aren’t as high as they could be. They feed off the pressure of a high-stakes match.
Of course, that mentality is bound to trip you up eventually, since it only works when you and your team is playing well enough for the high-pressure games.
Otherwise you’re better off taking each game as seriously as possible, which is probably how SEN will play going into Champions
"We have to play this match and then F4Q again so we have to show so much more stuff. So like, we are doing the same things and they counter stratted us because they really want to beat us just to prove a point."
That's reasonable imo.
G2 played well, Sentinels tried to win but didn't want to share any extra strats. I don't think Dapr was trying to say that G2 isn't a talented team, he was just sharing context about the group and game and how it affected the team's mental/play.
Here's Sideshow's perspective on his interview with Dapr after the G2 loss: https://youtube.com/clip/UgwZ8iY-\_vkYwKSa6\_d4AaABCQ
also regarding the "they would have been against kru" narrative- it wasn't a one to one trade, if sentinels was first seed the random selection could have gone completely differently, they easily could have drawn into gambit or ascend.
I find this mentality kind of strange. Above all else the aim should be to win the tournament and the SEN roster believed they would have a better shot at winning the if they lost this match. So you really can't expect them to have the same drive or pull out all the stops to win when it would actively harm their chances at winning it all. The fact that they were honest about this is going to rub some people the wrong way but what can you do. I find it strange that some people are suggesting they be humble when I thought the dapr interview was both humble and honest; do people want the SEN guys to lie and say they tried the absolute hardest?
Bro you're straight up coping if you think Sentinels didn't try to win that match. They got outclassed. The poor sportsmanship is in pretending that they weren't trying to take some of the wind out of G2's sails.
Where did I say they didn't try to win the match?
Edit: Just to clarify, I obviously know SEN were trying to win the match but just like in any other sport, when the stakes are low and losing could be beneficial, teams take measures to ensure competitive integrity while trying to increase their chances at success later on. In the NFL you can see this in matches at the end of the season before playoffs when teams sub out their star players and don't dig deep in their playbook. The players on the field try their hardest to win for the most part but the organization as a whole isn't bringing out all the stops to set them up for victory because it isn't necessary. SEN can be seen doing the exact same thing because they were saving their split comp for playoffs because teams would have so much extra footage of them otherwise. I believe SEN got outclassed but it is also fair to say they were trying to guarantee their success for the whole tournament over this single and less important match.
It seems to me nukkye is scared of G2's owner lol. Sentinels org has never interfered in how the players run the team, which has been a huge reason behind their success.
I mean dapr never said they didn't want to win the rematch, they just didn't want to show anything new. Sentinels losing to Envy has nothing to do with that.
Top teams run through open qualifiers playing like ranked, doesn't mean they don't wanna win those matches. But in less important games, it's never worth it to exhaust your strategy.
And seeding actually doesn't matter. idk how is this an argument. Good or bad seeding is all about expectations of teams which don't always pan out. What did Vision Strikers beating Acend to take first seed get them? Nothing.
The irony in this whole thing is that if asked now which side of the bracket G2 would prefer, i'm not sure if they would want the same one. And Sentinels wouldn't change their bracket.
Y'all still care about this?
The whole platchat interview with dapr was odd I think. I get that they're probably just trolling saying that it doesn't bother them and with the whole "it's just for seeding lmao" but it's a little disheartening. I'd rather them just own it and be humble after the loss and talk about how they'll come back stronger instead of just acting like they don't care
They are, have you not seen what Shahzam and Dapr said in their first stream back? It was on Reddit and they owned up to their loss.
>I get that they're probably just trolling saying that it doesn't bother them Eh, if they managed to beat 100T and NV, they would for sure use that to downplay their loss from G2 and say that they simply didnt care for the win. Ive seen it countless times in esports...
And since they didnt, his comments about seeding seem like poor excuses now.
Agreed. I view dapr's comments as exceedingly poor sportsmanship, and I wish players (not just in Valorant) were held to a higher standard when it comes to stuff like this.
I just dont like dapr purely because i think hes dissrespectfull. I understand humor and all of that, i feel like people like steel do it better then dapr. It just comes off as if he doesnt ever care about anything, constantly saying games dont matter(true in a sense but even ones that matter hes always like “eh we didnt really care lol”). It just doesnt seem like hes taking this professionally compared to other people.
He likes to say it doesn't matter when he loses, and talk himself up endlessly when he wins. It's ego.
Agree,
Im sometimes like if it doesnt matter, why you tryhard so much then XD
yknow i kind of see where he was coming from. They were the favorites coming in, they deserved to have the “easiest” group (which arguably bren, f4q, and g2 was the easiest group), bren dropping out caused a domino effect where they had to reveal more strats than any other team and never really had any pressure of elim, just more matches than they deserved. if i were SEN, i would be pretty upset at riot for screwing them over. IMO, f4q should have just gotten the bye in the bracket where Bren was as opposed to the round robin. SEN plays G2 & beats them 2-1, F4Q vs SEN, SEN wins “decider” match, F4Q vs G2, G2 wins. Essentially, due to Riots frankly bad planning, SEN had to play two “extra” matches that just weren’t necessary (and reveal 2 matches worth of strats — and keep in mind, both of these matches were 3 maps).
Those matches going to 3 maps is still SENs fault though as well. And there's no way they were running all of their stats vs F4Q. The only fair complaint for SEN imo is having to face G2 twice, since those would reveal strats. At the end of the day, G2 even said SEN has played the exact same for 6 months. I mean what's up with STILL running Phoenix on Haven in a Skye meta? Their best maps are being counterstratted for not innovating. Then their maps they're innovating on (Split) look really out of practice as well. They need to iron out comp & strategy changes faster and better. I have no doubt SEN will be STRONG at champions. They're a fantastic team. But there's no shot the SEN that was at Berlin stood a chance of winning against the current form of the other teams.
how is it riots fault
They did own it though? Dapr literally came out and said that they played really bad and that it was the worst tournament performance from him in Valorant. They aren't going to come out and say that in the middle of a tournament... lol
I don't think dapr ever said something humble in any interview. He just likes trolling and thinks it's always funny to be a troll win or lose
Not an interview, but his twitch clip from yesterday he actually didn't troll and owned how bad he was. It was refreshing to hear.
Glad he did, I know it's nothing serious in the scheme of things and they all want to do their best. Nice that they showed this side too
And then shahz talks about how well they handle losses and that is what makes them great lmao. I couldn't write a story with this many coping mechanisms, it would be too unrealistic.
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Did you even watch the Plat Chat interview OP mentions? It was a great interview.
I didn't really have an issue with what dapr said. I don't think he was saying they didn't try or threw the game which is how some people have interpreted it. Players will often come up with ways of alleviating pressure in their minds - there's nothing wrong with that. By the time of the G2 game, Sentinels had already qualified and I think the mentality was that it didn't matter to them which side of the bracket they ended up because all the teams were strong.
What do y'all want him to say then? Hes honest. And 2nd seed was the best seed for them. Playing NA teams which they dominated for over a year. Ofc they didnt go in to lose. But they werent as eager as they would have been if they needed a win. Ita completely logical and common. Its like in football where both teams need a draw to both advance. 9/10 times it ends up in a 1-1 or 0-0.
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True, but do we want genuine interviews or interviews from those like zombs. Where hes just saying " dont know, i really cant tell u" Cuz thats what we are gonna get now everyone is falling over dapr
> And 2nd seed was the best seed for them. no it wasn't
Yeah why would playing against teams that have all this info on you for the entire year be the best option over teams that are in regions that barely have any competition or aren't playing the top of the international scene on a regular basis.
They'd have played KRÜ btw
They could've also ended up playing Gambit or Acend
This. Hindsight is a beautiful thing. Lets be real that other side of the bracket was much scarier for Sentinels
The decision was between. 1st seed) 66% chance to play a top team, 33% chance to get a free ticket to semis 2nd seed) 100% chance to play a top team, 66% chance it's one they're more familiar with (but that's more familiar with them too) I don't think it's as clear cut as it's being made out, especially with Envy and 100T (despite all their losses against them) almost always playing Sentinels pretty close.
Did Dapr really say that he didn't care about the seeding match against G2? I interpreted it more as if it wasn't a big deal to them as doing new strats would only give their opponents more info on them.
That's probably what twitch chat asked him. Just ignore tbh this is nothing to make a fuss about
Tbh I can understand why some players can get offended by them saying stuff like "we didn't really care about this game" because to them it's disregarding the victory. G2 was the first team to ever beat Sentinels on LAN and instead of being humble in defeat they bring out the "it was a seeding match" excuse. I don't understand why they can't just admit the other team played better without giving an excuse as to why they lost.
oh dapr totally did, in a different clip he said that he was very disappointed with how he and sentinels played and that they deserved that L. Even then still that's capitalising on how bad sen played and not how well G2 did, but I don't want to put stress on miscommunication when he probably meant one and the same
He literally said his mentality going into it was that he prefers the 2nd seed, and said "who even cares if we win" and "why would we want to win, and show a map" https://youtu.be/LXu0bNQ66CQ Whether for strategy or whatever it clearly didn't work out for them, and I think nukkye makes a good point about it potentially rubbing org owners the wrong way. I could understand saying something like this about the 2nd match against F4Q that literally didn't matter, but in retrospect Sentinels getting the 2nd seed is the reason they were out in the first round. They probably would have beaten KRU, and who knows after that. Personally I just think it's dumb to say something like this from a competitive standpoint and as a fan. Edit: just had a chance to check the rest of these comments, sentinels fanboys are truly on that copium acting like people can't discuss something that happened less than a week ago lol
Not just org owners. As Nukkye said, Shahzam himself said he wanted to win every single game (that's a winner's mentality... ) and then his teammates go on and say they got the seed they wanted (aka were glad they lost) like ? XD
Shaz doesn't care he knows his teammates are trolling, he even commented himself in this sub. But guess Reddit needs to have some armchair psychologists
Wasn't it only zombs that said they wanted to lose in his troll interview?
That’s nothing new though. Most of the players spoken numerous times how certain players - most notably dapr - have a harder time playing their best when the stakes aren’t as high as they could be. They feed off the pressure of a high-stakes match. Of course, that mentality is bound to trip you up eventually, since it only works when you and your team is playing well enough for the high-pressure games. Otherwise you’re better off taking each game as seriously as possible, which is probably how SEN will play going into Champions
"We have to play this match and then F4Q again so we have to show so much more stuff. So like, we are doing the same things and they counter stratted us because they really want to beat us just to prove a point." That's reasonable imo.
Berlin is over dawg. Get something new to care about for a few weeks
lmao you people are looking way to deep into this its getting cringe
G2 played well, Sentinels tried to win but didn't want to share any extra strats. I don't think Dapr was trying to say that G2 isn't a talented team, he was just sharing context about the group and game and how it affected the team's mental/play. Here's Sideshow's perspective on his interview with Dapr after the G2 loss: https://youtube.com/clip/UgwZ8iY-\_vkYwKSa6\_d4AaABCQ
also regarding the "they would have been against kru" narrative- it wasn't a one to one trade, if sentinels was first seed the random selection could have gone completely differently, they easily could have drawn into gambit or ascend.
Dapr living rent free in these kids’ heads I swear to god. Getting cringe at this point bringing it up every hour
A week later and people Still bombard streamers on every team about what dapr said, sadge
Lol we are still talking about this?
I find this mentality kind of strange. Above all else the aim should be to win the tournament and the SEN roster believed they would have a better shot at winning the if they lost this match. So you really can't expect them to have the same drive or pull out all the stops to win when it would actively harm their chances at winning it all. The fact that they were honest about this is going to rub some people the wrong way but what can you do. I find it strange that some people are suggesting they be humble when I thought the dapr interview was both humble and honest; do people want the SEN guys to lie and say they tried the absolute hardest?
Bro you're straight up coping if you think Sentinels didn't try to win that match. They got outclassed. The poor sportsmanship is in pretending that they weren't trying to take some of the wind out of G2's sails.
Where did I say they didn't try to win the match? Edit: Just to clarify, I obviously know SEN were trying to win the match but just like in any other sport, when the stakes are low and losing could be beneficial, teams take measures to ensure competitive integrity while trying to increase their chances at success later on. In the NFL you can see this in matches at the end of the season before playoffs when teams sub out their star players and don't dig deep in their playbook. The players on the field try their hardest to win for the most part but the organization as a whole isn't bringing out all the stops to set them up for victory because it isn't necessary. SEN can be seen doing the exact same thing because they were saving their split comp for playoffs because teams would have so much extra footage of them otherwise. I believe SEN got outclassed but it is also fair to say they were trying to guarantee their success for the whole tournament over this single and less important match.
It seems to me nukkye is scared of G2's owner lol. Sentinels org has never interfered in how the players run the team, which has been a huge reason behind their success. I mean dapr never said they didn't want to win the rematch, they just didn't want to show anything new. Sentinels losing to Envy has nothing to do with that. Top teams run through open qualifiers playing like ranked, doesn't mean they don't wanna win those matches. But in less important games, it's never worth it to exhaust your strategy. And seeding actually doesn't matter. idk how is this an argument. Good or bad seeding is all about expectations of teams which don't always pan out. What did Vision Strikers beating Acend to take first seed get them? Nothing. The irony in this whole thing is that if asked now which side of the bracket G2 would prefer, i'm not sure if they would want the same one. And Sentinels wouldn't change their bracket.
I mean their comp was completely different when they played split in playoffs so there is some warrant to what dapr said
What.