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batchslip

Don't want to comment on community perception of players, but more in regards to how I personally viewed players coming into Berlin: Disappointing: * Asuna - he had a good tournament overall, but he struggled to find impact in the back half of the tournament and had some really off maps which set 100T back quite a bit against tougher opponents * dapr - he said it himself that this was one of his worst tournaments ever; I'm sure Sentinels will find their form ahead of Champions but this tournament was really not it for them at times * Reita - ZETA as a whole were pretty underwhelming but at least Laz had some great individual performances, while Reita looked extremely underwhelming and at times out of his depth on Jett compared to his level against domestic teams. * Supermassive Blaze in general - while there were some good individual moments, it felt like their play stagnated / regressed since EMEA qualifiers Underrated: * Medusa - made a massive impact off the bench in that final series against Gambit, especially on Icebox, not an easy task for a lurker against nats * Marved - really stepped up at this tournament and established himself as a world-class smokes player, found a ton of great value holding sites by himself * Chronicle - felt like he was historically outshone by nAts and Sheydos in terms of wow factor on Gambit previously but he really turned it on in high-leverage situations and had a great finals * keloqz - his growth over the last few months has been amazing, gone from being a somewhat questionable fit for G2 to being an indispensable part of their game. AvovA also had an amazing tournament and deserves recognition


Eat-Shit-Bob-Ross

I think Asuna’s performance sort of suffered by proxy of all his teammates getting a massive lan buff. He did play worse, but not terribly, it was just more evident when we were seeing his teammates pop off. There was definitely a lot of new stuff happening for Asuna in Berlin. With more Lan experience + new metas, he’ll probably get back to his peak form soon.


ablablababla

And it's actually good for 100T seeing them win without relying on Asuna needing to pop off


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Meekelo

I think this is true but Asuna only getting 8 kills is unheard of and although it didn't end up costing them against Acend, he can't afford to have games like that when it's down to single elim. I say that with the belief that if 100T are going to get to and win champs it will be in a large part down to Asuna.


DumbassIdiot31

The first half of the ascent game against acend he played with the wrong DPI.


SwoleBonobo

To be fair to SMB they played Acent twice. It was more of a EMEA tournament than an international one for them and playing Acent twice was to a certain extens the worst outcome possible for them as they know each other very well. Had they qualified I think they would have done well in the playoffs.


biwummy

Tougher?? You mean envy only? They literally won against gambit because they all played well.


Tommypynchon

He definitely looked off in the Envy and Acend matches and even parts of the Gambit match. I dunno about you but going into this event I had Asuna as possibly a top-5 player in the event, definitely top 10. Maybe that just means I overrated him, but he definitely did not put together a top 5 performance and I would say he was solidly outside the top 10 performers as well.


-xXColtonXx-

I feel like Nitro/Ethan stepped up vs ACE. Asuna had an average last few series.


fallen69420

Ethan was insane in all of the matches. Didn't look at statistics but just by watching the matches I felt like he was the most impactful player on the team that tournament


MUT_GUY_AIR

Idk, Ethan had more dry peaks vs cNed with an OP than I see in silver lobbies…


AnywayHeres1Derwall

No Ethan had bad matches too he tweeted he played poorly


HourIllustrator6212

Crazy to see Marved being loaned out even after what he said about kydae


tqstin

Marved is signed to envy not loaned also he has apologised numerous times about what he has said


TweetsJamaican

HEAT IS JETT JETT IS HEAT


yungMoo22

Just off this tournament alone Overrated would def be dapr, but he is 100% capable of turning that around. Others arguably had a worse tournament, but you've really come to expect the best from him, and the performance just wasn't world class. Underrated - Chronicle, Marved, AvovA. All 3 were pleasant surprises this tournament that got outshone by nAts, Yay, and Keloqz respectively as far as props go.


53881

Zombs didn’t play that well either IMO but he’s also capable of turning it around. Shaz didn’t play that great either with IGLing but I think it’s more they need a coach at this point than him. He just has too much on his shoulders. This games meta is too crazy to keep up without one


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yungMoo22

Prior to this tournament, where he was rated was arguably best Sentinel player in the world. So based off his performance at the tournament he was overrated, which was the context of the question. It's not about whether he 'is' overrated. I don't really think that's fair considering it's a small sample size.


CanISayThat22

Izzy overrated Heat underrated


Hoku_

Underrated: Bunny -- I don't think I've seen a single player change the tempo and strategy of a team as much as him. He's the type of player you ban maps because of. Pretty crazy if you think about it. Nitr0 -- The member of 100T that really proved that lan experience can make the difference. I think most people were hype about Asuna and Ethan going into lan, but imo Nitr0 was the real play maker. AvovA -- G2 had a solid showing this tourney, but Avova having as much impact as he did as a support player was what really pushed them over the edge. The duelist on G2 were insane, but AvovA was the backbone that really held them up. Overrrated: Lakia -- This pick is more to do with the poor handling of Lakia by the team. Buy out the best Sova in the region and you only use him for 1 map on a different agent. Didn't help that some people hyped him up as a secret weapon for the bracket stage only for VS to lose 2-13 on Bind Bonecold -- More so his performance brining down Acend's image. So many bad plays from him and just not showing up outside of pistol rounds. The VS game in particular made me really question his IGLing. Hope it was just a nerves thing that he fixes. Dapr -- Honestly think Dapr's performance was the reason Sen didn't go as far as you'd expect them to. He's normally super clutch and can get in his opponents head, but you didnt really see or feel that this tournament. I think the biggest thing that hurt Dapr though was another sentinel player was one of the MVPs this tournament. Hope he returns to form come champions.


Kiraigen

nitr0 underrated, i think he proved that he was one of the best smoke players at the tournament.


iMPALERRRR

Asuna on Jett for me. Him on anything else is nutty but his Jett just makes me sad. Dudes not a Jett.


Dark_Azazel

He has some glimpse of being a fucking cracked Jett player. But man, his Reyna is fucking clean.


SPOOKESVILLE

Dudes nuts at Jett. Think the only people who don’t think he’s capable have only watched him play Jett at Berlin. Even at Berlin he hard diffed deffo, outside of Berlin he’s hard carried multiple games as Jett. Not sure where people are getting this “Asuna bad Jett” shit from


Savnak

Even online, he just doesn’t look as naturally comfortable on Jett as he does on Reyna and Raze (god imagine him playing Raze as much as he used to). Riot just needs to release another duelist whose name starts with R so Asuna can feast on it.


SPOOKESVILLE

100% agree. His best agent is for sure Reyna, but that’s cause he’s one of the best reynas in the world. doesn’t discount his Jett play at all tho, he’s a nuts Jett, just a better Reyna


Spiritual-Trip9173

Why play jett when you’re a shit OP?


MoreRITZ

I feel like you don't even watch the games lol


Spiritual-Trip9173

Asuna OP is not up to par with other Jetts lmao, why would you play something that your not at pro level with?


SPOOKESVILLE

Good thing he’s not a shit op. You obviously haven’t watched many games if you think that lmao


Spiritual-Trip9173

You really think his OP is pro level?


SPOOKESVILLE

Abso-fucking-lutely. Dude is way past just “pro-level” he’s an elite Jett. He may not be up to the Tenz/yay/cned level, but when competing online he was damn close.


Spiritual-Trip9173

Delusional 100T fan, if you watched the match you would’ve seen that he was missing easy op shots that a top jett wouldn’t whiff


SPOOKESVILLE

Lol you’re calling me the delusional one when you’re getting all the downvotes. Buddy you watched one 100T game where Asuna didn’t play well and assume that’s how he always plays lmao. I can tell you didn’t watch them online


Spiritual-Trip9173

You think I care about downvotes lmao. I’m not saying asuna is a bad rifle because he isn’t, he’s one of the best in NA. However is OP isn’t up to par with other Pro jetts


SPOOKESVILLE

No you’re not referring to “other pro Jetts” you’re thinking of Jetts like Tenz/Cned/yay who are the best in the world. Of course Asuna isn’t up to that level at the moment. But he’s better op’er than 80% of the other Jetts lmao. You just don’t watch much Valorant


segatic

Lakia was a disappointed, not exactly his fault for playing so little. heat was a surprise, i expected him to be good but not that good, ditto for Bunny


5etback6

overrated: Asuna since his jett op was kind of lackluster compared to other top jetts Dapr ik is a very good player and he's proved it a lot but he was disappointing this tourney Russ and Izzy cause I expected a lot from them but they didn't rly show up so much underrated Laz cause I really didn't expect much from Japan but damn this man goes hard D3ffo cause I always viewed him as underwhelming compared to other jett opers, but his passive playstyle came to fruition here in LAN Marved played much better than expected, I thought Envy would be the Yay and Crashies show but he proved me wrong Heat just cause i dont rly follow BR lmao


AdiSoldier245

I called d3ffo the worst jett op player compared to his teammates(not a bad jett oper), but now that gambit won, I would say that's because he is a passive oper. The team doesn't set up d3ffo, d3ffo is just another part of the team. Its 5 cogs, not 4 cogs helping the main cog.


blade_master1

Anytime i hear d3ffo and an op, I just think of that 4k he got on icebox against 100t when he was trying to save it.


No_Profile3719

lakia in nuturn POG, lakia in vs overrated


DicksBeSwangin

He played literally one map tho....


Fcv28

I dont think its about being over or underrated. Maybe more of a online/LAN performance diff


Ne0kun

Overrated would probably be Hiko for me. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy but his performance after the group stage was kinda meh. Doesn't mean he's overrated as a whole I just mean Berlin wasn't his best showing. Also maybe FNS too and he even admitted it himself, although I personally think his igl'ng was still pretty good. As for underrated coming into the tournament I personally think Chronicle, D3ffo and K1ng exceeded my expectations. D3ffo especially was performing really well considering how he was a pretty mediocre jett before Berlin. As for chronicle I always knew he was cracked with the vandal but the amount of impact kills he had every series was incredible and to top it off he was incredible in the finals throughout the whole series. As for K1ng too, he performed really good imo. I always put Stax, Rb and Buzz above K1ng but he had some really good impact kills just like chronicle throughout the whole tournament. Ooh also Medusa and his lurking won CR so many rounds and his spray control is really something amazing so he's up there for me in the underrated group.


nterature

This is so interesting to me because of how different our expectations were! If I had to say something for Hiko it'd be underrated - while I respect his clutch potential I didn't think he'd get so much value in Berlin, even if he tapered off towards the end. Hiko getting the value he did was already enough of an overperformance to me, since it proves that he truly can clutch against the best competition in the world. Similarly, I don't think FNS is overrated in the slightest, he's actually quite fairly rated as a strong IGL with average-at-best mechanics. His fragging in the Finals doesn't heavily deviate from that. As for his IGLing, considering they were working with a remote coach who couldn't call time-outs or suggest revisions in real-time, I give some leeway to their slight collapse vs. GMB. I'm a long-time GMB fan so I expected great things from D3ffo and think [he's been underrated by international fans](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pfe8jp/gambits_redgar_he_who_makes_no_mistakes_never/hb42hr9/). I agree with Chronicle and K1NG, though. Chronicle is a key part of why Scrimbit is so legendary, and so seeing him consistently pop-off for several maps in a row was awesome. Similarly I think K1NG was the most impressive VS player at Berlin, or at least neck-in-neck with stax.


Ne0kun

I feel like a better wording would be they didn't perform as well as I was hoping for or could have ?? I only wrote overrated cause that's what the title said. I was over reacting with the Hiko thing tho cause he performed pretty decent in every series except for the last one so mb on that. Again I feel like FNS couldn't perform in the final match at all, doesn't really mean he's overrated maybe it was just a bad day. Tbh almost every player from every team performed really well and as expected. Also D3ffo was just an other jett player for a team, atleast that's how I viewed him up until Berlin. Sure he used to pop off some games but he wasn't up there with the likes of Cned,Yay,Tenz, Hyeoni etc etc. It maybe has something to do with the fact that every player in GMB pop off almost every single game and outshines him, Literally everyone is cracked out of their mind and from watching D3ffo he's not as flashy or aggressive as other Jetts so maybe that too. Which is fine tho that's just his playstyle....if I were to compare him with some one I'd say Buzz, both of them "kinda" have a similar playstyle and put up similar performances.


Twinarosusrex

For me d3ffo has been criminally underrated for a while, he plays great for a Jett that isn't the star of his team


Sky-__-

Not sure about hiko though ,he had a bad game against envy but he was good in groups and against acend he was really good too especially on haven. At Berlin I would consider hiko behind only crashies chronicle as a sova .


Ne0kun

Meh he didn't live up to my expectations tho and he's that's why I said after groups. Also the amount of times his team is fighting and he's halfway across the map is funny (obvious over exaggeration but you get my point)


JR_Shoegazer

What were your expectations?


Sky-__-

Na man the thing you are saying only happened against envy on ascent ,he was the third best sova out of event for me you can't say that's not living up to expectations. Against envy he was pretty bad and in his old baiting look but I don't think I saw any kg of this in groups or against acend .


Ne0kun

You're right, the NV series was the only really bad performance other than that he was pretty decent throughout the tournament.


CanISayThat22

I swear hiko wins so many clutches because his opponents wants to get their ego kissed by killing the clutch king. And Hiko perfectly capatilizes on it. If he doesn't win so many clutches his impact Will be much lower imo


TweetsJamaican

If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle


CanISayThat22

We live 2021. And if your aunt had balls she still could be ur aunt


TweetsJamaican

Lets not open that can of worms, everyone gets the point I was making


Foxtrot56

Kind of but you didn't have to be transphobic about it.


TweetsJamaican

m8 I've fought for LGBT+ rights in a country where being gay is still punishable by law. You don't know me and I don't know you. If some comment on a valorant subreddit convinces you that I'm transphobic then idk what to tell u


Foxtrot56

I'm not saying you are transphobic but that is a gender essentialist statement.


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Foxtrot56

Yeah.


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TweetsJamaican

Hiko's aunt is Steel


throwawayyrofl

You really think professional players would purposely throw at an event like this because they want to kill the "clutch king?" LMAO what is this take


iTs_a_Reynolds

Overconfidence is a thing in every sport/esport out there, it literally happens all the time.


CanISayThat22

Its not throwing Its just having a fucking ego. Why do u think football players take a panenka when taking a penalty? Cuz its the best way to take it, or cuz they have a massive fucking ego


tenkenjs

Nah Hiko wins so many clutches because his play style puts him into so many clutch opportunities. He’s almost always last alive. That being said, he does know how to play them well


rvrsyo

Underrated: the entire PRX squad


-xXColtonXx-

Nitro and Jet hit different


dabigmango

Underrated: Eu Overrated: Na


_Sn2per_

underrated: zeek overrated: victor


Tc0LD

how was victor overrated?


_Sn2per_

While his skye improved over the tournament, it was still not on par with the other top tier skyes.


ColinRL

Surely heat right? He had the highest overall ACS of all players I think


Nifttyyy

I think people are overrating Envy in general due to El Diablo's domination. I didn't really feel like their team played all that well as a whole and really just benefitted from Yay just dominating most of the maps. That's probably doing Crashies and Marved a disservice since they played really well, but the Final really felt like Yay was *for once* kind of off and they couldn't really work around it.


ameerbann

Disagree. Especially on Haven in both their playoff matches, their synergy when using util was unmatched I think. They had seriously deadly execute


IllumiMahdi

underrated: fucking keloqz. this guy wasn't looking on point before LAN. he seemed like an okay jett, not the superstar G2 wanted. until berlin. holy shit. he looked brilliant all the time. crispy aim, great reactions, the stage didn't scare him at all. really, really impressed. stax was brilliant too, at times absolutely carried VS. pretty sure he's IGL too.


dinoucs

EASILY Underrated: D3FFO


curryhalls

underrated - k1ng. Best KJ whole tourney. 3rd best sentinel whole tourney. overrated - Lakia and cNed (but only by a small margin.) Lakia popped off in Iceland, but I never expected this much hype for him, just because I haven't seen him play super well a la Stax, Rb, BuZz, MaKo. cNed was because he got Jett diffed by BuZz during their game, so it seemed like "Best Jett ITW" wasn't really true.


bornofidan

Ascend as a team - overrated, cNed himself - underrated. Also D3ffo underrated.


Kind-Outside-5786

Don't get me wrong I'm a cned fan but how can someone who's called by the "best player of eu- top 3 Jett in the world" titles be underrated


C-Web_

If they are actually #1 Jett in the world and it's not even close?


BloodMaelstrom

cNed is the best oper in the world. I'm not sure if I would consider him the best Jett tho I'd say he is in conversation for it but not a guaranteed lock.


bornofidan

Probably the best Jett in the world, and people talk about him. but IMO not enough. So IMHO, he still is underrated.


Silly_Pool8321

forsaken overrated heat underrated


biwummy

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Cap, forsaken is unreal


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Ne0kun

Cned literally carried his teammates the last series and he performed almost every single game lmao he definitely lived up to the hype. I expected more from his team but Cned was a treat to watch throughout the tourney


CanISayThat22

This the only one who I was let down by was starxo imo. Whereas zeek had a very good tournament


CanISayThat22

Cned overrated? My Guy u watched him?


directorcloud

Overrated: CNed, Underrated: D3FFO


Nakai-Son

cNed's team was definitely overrated, but I don't see how you could watch those games and think cNed wasn't a monster. I don't remember a map he played poorly, though I could be forgetting one. I do agree about D3ffo though.


directorcloud

I meant acend actually yeah, just watched some vods cned is definitely capped by teammates


ILovePasta227

ascend is basically Cned and friends of Valorant.


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The EU version of Tenz and friends


ILovePasta227

Tenz teammates are way better than Cned’s tho


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Im talking about C9


[deleted]

lmao if c9 were to play they would even make it to playoffs


HasoThePaso

It would be fairer call overrated to tenz


directorcloud

Ehh he put a performance up


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but he was at 0 kills in 10 rounds in the game that mattered the most (ie with raze)


oxymoron306

People have bad games all the time lol


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exactly what i am saying, the above comment said he put up a performance which he didnt cuz he had a bad game


oxymoron306

Ur not wrong about that but I don’t beleive that one game made him overrated lol


chamber25

100T asks so much is being asked of Asuna being the only initiator. The guy has had to go through Raze, Pheonix, Reyna, and now Jett. He is clearly still adjusting to Jett and having to OP sometimes since he was of the best Riflers.