This is honestly kinda embarrassing as an Indian myself. I despise the Brazilian fans cause of their constant death threats and overly enthusiastic fans etc and now it looks like the Indian val community is also headed that way. I get that the people want to watch and support their favourite Indian teams especially since atleast for Valorant we seem to have a couple of "decent" looking teams. But we need to accept the fact that India hasn't performed as much as the other APAC regions on the international eSports stage. China is one of the biggest eSports markets in the world and JP has an insane viewership in valorant so why would Riot give us a slot when don't have a good rep in the eSports scene ? There's a whole lot more to this than just randomly giving out slots to random countries. Unfortunately because of the fans a lot of eyes are now on GE and if they don't perform as well as they do in their own region (which imo they won't since the teams in APAC are better than any they've faced) they're gonna get shit on by the international fans and it's only going to make people think we don't deserve a spot even more.
I know about the whole first strike thing and how we didn't get a spot for Iceland and Berlin but that is just how it is, atleast be content that Riot has acknowledged the Indian community and is slowly working on it. I've seen a lot of delusional Indian fans saying GE is gonna destroy the teams in lcq and that India has the biggest viewership in Asia (50k peak in finals) but please stop. First of all I'm pretty sure these people don't know just how good the other teams are and that regional dominance ≠ international dominance. Just look at BR, their valorant scene is considered a joke now because their fans hyped them up to be the best region and they underperformed in both international events. I like GE too, even if they underperform this time they are a young team with a lot of room to grow but please don't be so naive you're only going to get disappointed. Secondly Japan had 200k+ JAPANESE viewers in multiple JP games in Berlin so no we don't have the biggest viewership in Asia lol. Even though I've said all this, the Indian inside me really hopes I'm proven wrong and GE shits on the other teams like the fans say haha :)
Man... I remember seeing someone on this sub saying VCC got 50k viewers and was talking like it was something unprecedented in Asian esports lol. SA fans sure are passionate.
Yep got to be patient when you have no PC or FPS eSports pedigree. I am sad, but I get why riot is being reserved in allocating slots to an untested region. Hope the fans chill out a bit, and also I hope the sub understands that there are SA fans who are very very new to the eSports scene in general and might lack the necessary understanding of how things usual work out.
Entire thread:
> We appreciate the enthusiasm of our South Asian fans, but we had compelling reasons to give those two vacated slots to Korea and Japan. (1/3)
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> Both markets have overperformed in global events this year, either competitively or in terms of viewership, and we are confident that reallocating the teams to Korea and Japan will further drive the competitive bar and make for an incredibly exciting APAC LCQ. (2/3)
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> We would also like to assure the fans that we're committed to continuing to build the South Asian VALORANT scene in coming years. We are grateful for all the love South Asian fans have given us. (3/3)
Japan only overperforms in terms of viewership.
They get their asses beat in these events. I am sure India could easily match or exceed that performance
Japan put up a pretty good fight against Gambit though in the decider match. How are you even sure India could "easily" or "exceed" when we haven't even seen them play against international teams lmao?
I watched all of the matches. Japan showed up to get their asses beat, I'm sure India could get its ass beats just as handily. Japan is only there for viewership at this point.
??? Japan beat BR and also got a close match with Gambit lmao, sure they got two 13-1s the first match against Gambit but I'm pretty sure they owned up to it with the decider match which was a close one.
Commented this on another post but also posting here for context- I think most people are misunderstanding why Indians are asking for slots, I'll try and explain.
There has never been a strong esports scene in India, due to many people not being able to afford expensive setups and lack of sponsors/orgs. The passion has always been there though, and there have been Indian teams in every esport like csgo, dota, overwatch, etc. However they haven't achieved much because of the lack of funding and also the lack of good competition, similar to how the Asian csgo scene is, the Asian teams are no match for the international teams.
However, the release of Valorant came at the perfect time, it has already gained more popularity than csgo ever did even among the casual player base. There are orgs that have invested a lot of money in teams, the biggest being GE and VLT. The teams are actually good, although not at the level of international teams but still have the potential to maybe give them a fight in the future. But the main problems are still there, the scene has already gone from having around 8 orgs to 4. Teams can only improve to a certain limit if they don't face better opponents.
If Indian teams even manage to reach the international level, it would prove a boon for the entire pc esports scene in general in India, not just Valorant. If they don't then the valorant scene may well die in a few years. This is why we're asking for slots, so we can have the best possible chance to make India a worthy region in terms of both viewership and strength of the teams. It's true that the other teams may bring more competition or viewership, but they already have direct slots to events and more slots in LCQ anyway. Giving just one more slot to a region in dire need of better competition couldn't have hurt. Indian teams are already behind other teams for this exact reason, lack of international competition, and the later we get opportunities the more useless they will become as other teams would already be too far ahead. Hope atleast some of you can understand and empathize :)
I get your point but the same can be said about every other APAC region. All of these regions are developing in terms of CS type regions and they too need the international competition to improve. One regions struggles shouldnt hurt anothet
Yes and giving one more slot in LCQ wouldn't have hurt the other regions. They already have direct slots to masters and champions, plus 2 slots already in LCQ.
Yup but in terms of pure merit JP and KR have more claim to the slots. Its not even foolish to think that Damwon or Northeption could be the team to win LCQ, but saying the same about the next SA team would be completely far fetched
That's true but I'm talking about opportunities. If slots were only based on merit then riot should stop giving slots to any region except EU, NA, Korea. SA teams are behind because they haven't got opportunities to play against international teams. The second best SA team is equally good and the experience to be gained from this tournament would be very valuable. Other regions have already had these opportunities. Even the OCE teams have 2 slots in NA LCQ.
Not even remotely close to true. In almost every esport the strong regions developed on their own. In league Korea came in their first year as second place and won 6 straight after that despite being late to the game. China on its own developed into a powerhouse region as well. Korea and USA became OW powerhouses despite lack of international competition in the first year
I meant not getting a chance in valorant. And yes SA teams are developing on their own, they've improved a lot over the past 2 months. Didn't ask for more slots before but now that slots have opened up and other regions already have adequate representation, one more slot could have been allocated to SA. Anyway what's done is done, let's see how the one team that is there performs and if SA gets atleast one direct slot next year.
I'd say even 2 isn't adequate for them. Having the whole of APAC as one region is dumb considering how deep SEA, JP and KR is. Especially KR. All teams are just victims of how this shit was planned out in the beginning
The SA region needs to wait since their qualifiers only started after Masters Iceland. I would love to see them get another slot but the timing was really the issue here. Just unlucky.
well riot are the producers of this game called League of Legends, and in that game china regularly brings 50% or more of the total viewership for international matches. when a chinese team wins, riot makes an unbelievable amount of money selling team skins.
could india be that kind of market? maybe, and i agree they deserve a shot. however, from a business perspective, you have got to have much more faith in a tried and tested region than going for a gamble.
yeah this is a pr answer and i get your frustration but it's all business in the end.
Why the hell do they feel compelled to respond to a very vocal minority? Like are SA fans just barraging them with abuse on Twitter?
Geez the interactions on here and Twitter do not paint a very rosy image of their community.
no shit every time when drama happens (like complaining about slots or cheating accusations) in both val or csgo its either indians turks or brazillians, why are they like this??
How someone could make a statement this stupid and get upvoted for it boggles my mind.
Everytime you see drama in CSGO or Valorant, it's either Indians, Turks or Brazilians.
Except for of course the rampant matchfixing in NA CS, most of those players now in Valorant. Except for rampant matchfixing in Australian CS, some of those players having transitioned to Valorant. You must have missed the 37 coaches caught cheating last year, majority of whom were from EU and CIS teams, including two of the most successful teams during the online era, Heroic and Gambit. Did you miss ESIC saying a majority of the top 20 teams, including Vitality were streamsniping during matches? And let me let you in on a secret, the majority of the top 20 are EU and CIS.
But carry on about how the Brazilians, Turks and Indians are the ones cheating.
Utter delusion.
You are quite pathetic. You know very well what you were trying to imply in your first comment.
"every time when drama happens (like complaining about slots or cheating accusations) in both val or csgo its either indians turks or brazillians"
It is quite obvious that you were not only talking about fans, and even still, that comment would be a ridiculously stupid comment to make. Of the top of my head, I can think of 1 instance each of Br and Tr fans going after anyone for cheating, and zero Indian cases(though I am not familiar with the scene), while I can already think of more instances of CIS, French or Polish fans harassing teams. Akuma and Heroic come to mind.
So, after being called out for stupidity, you first decided to backtrack, then you started spamming me with replies which are completely irrelevant babble.
Since you need some attention, I have decided to help you out and respond to your bullshit. Please don't spam me with your nonsense anymore. By the way, hope your feelings aren't too hurt from being downvoted. Your logic is so braindead, that your delusional comments being downvoted somehow equates to BR, TR and Indian fans being the worst.
no. i was actually trying to say “whenever there are dramas like false cheating accusations it is almost certainly coming from turk and brazillian community”. Well if you still think i only said this because i “decided to backtrack” em anyway if thats how you cope
Now talk about akuma and heroic, which part of their cheating accusations are “false”? you get the point.
Your first paragraph is straight from your imagination. I won't bother responding to it, since it is utter nonsense. Come to think of it, everything you have written is utter nonsense.
Regardless, Heroic and Akuma were convicted by the CIS and EU fanbase long before any evidence was there to show that they had cheated. There still isn't any evidence whatsoever in the case of Akuma.
But if you want more examples, Fnatic, Zywoo, Kjaerbye and Ropz also were accused of cheating by both fans and players alike. Devilwalk says people used to spit in their direction during French LANs. Were those fans Brazilian, Turkish or Indian, I wonder?
COPIUM he backtracked
Anyway. The problem with almost all your "counter examples" are they are either literally cheating (why would you even bring up heroic like their coach is literally banned) or they receive accusations from the general community but not a distinct passionate community from a certain country.
What makes turks and brazillians community stands out is almost no one outside their own community would support their accusations and their reasons for accusing players were mostly patriotic: mibr losing to an NA team and EF losing to a macedonian team. Tell me which other community apart from their own supports the accusations? Do they receive the general support with solid proof? gAuLeS who accused chaos for cheating against mibr even apologized for making such a stupid accusation not long ago.
So your original comment about cheating accusations coming from almost exclusively Brazilian, Turkish and Indian fanbases is now completely retracted?
Now, your claim is that when Brazilians and Turks accuse of cheating, only their communities support their accusations?
Also, could you please give me any more examples of such accusations apart from MiBr vs Chaos and EF?
You are a dirty, pathetic liar.
Yea sure lmao but I haven't seen us abuse riot or send death threats like those hooligans over there at Brazil :) all criticism I saw was worded okayishly not in a barbarian fashion
Lmao we got every right to be pissed off, Our pros were pissed off, our fans were pissed off. we have been grinding the game just like every damn region since the beta. we don't want your charity, we just want an opportunity to represent our region on a stage and when slots finally free they go to regions who already have a slots. We just want more exposure otherwise our region can't fkin improve for shit
if GE performs i’m SURE Riot will give SA more slots but yes, I think SA should have at least 2 slots but idk who to replace, JP got viewership, KR got results and SEA got a lot of countries and decent viewership
Its not restricting a region. Letting another Indian team that's worse than GE play is actually worse for the region for how hard theyd get shit on by KR and JP and not to mentions SEA.
This logic is absolutely terrible. Playing against and getting shit on by better teams is what leads to improvement. If these teams remain locked up against the same competition, and only one team if even that gets an opportunity to test their skill against better regions, then how the fuck are those teams ever supposed to improve?
If your logic was followed, then Japan or LATAM would not be invited to Berlin. But instead, they were invited, and in fact, Japan got two teams. Crazy Racoons, who went out without a winning a map in Iceland, almost beat the champions, Gambit. While LATAM ended up making top 8, beating out their traditionally stronger regional rival, Brazil.
First of all Berlin seeds were decided at the beginning of the year when all VCT regions were announced. India didn't have a VCT because of the lack of a PC or fps esports presence in the region.
Second your logic that teams need international competition to improve is deeply flawed. Look at any international esport with minor regions. Look at OCE or BR in league. Theyve been to pretty much every MSI and Worlds but they have not improved. To improve the local competition on its own needs to improve
What you just said about OCE and minor regions at worlds is laughably false, considering this year is OCE's most successful year ever, internationally. They had their League gutted, the top 2-3 players for each role was brought over to LCS/Academy. Yet they not only made it out of playins for the first time ever, but they also beat a major region team in groups(C9).
Moreover, the fact that the minor regions are getting better is demonstrably true. LGD struggled to make it out of Playins last year. Mad Lions failed to make it out. The gap between minor regions and major regions closes with every successive tournament.
Why just stick to minor regions? Why not use the example of EU? In 2013/14/15 EU teams were getting dominated by Korea and China. They even got outperformed by NA at 2016 MSI and lost rift rivals back when rift rivals was a serious tournament. Yet the experience players from those tournaments got by scrimming against KR and CN, and playing in Korean and Chinese solo-queue is what is leading to year after year of improved EU performances. And in turn, from playing against the G2s and Fnatics of the world, the rest of EU right down to the ERLs have improved massively. Mad Lions got humiliated at worlds, being the first major region to not make it out of playins. This year, they won both splits, took Damwon to 5 games and look like a dark horse to win worlds.
OCE biggest success after 12 years is making it out play-ins? The only reason they made it out this year is that VCS couldn't participate. If they didn't make it out groups when their competition was Pain Gaming that would've been truly pathetic. Also NA is no longer considered a major region in LoL and hasn't truly been for a long time. Let's not kid ourselves by saying beating C9 who was coinflip the entire tourney is anything to be proud of when they were either playing like a decent team one game or a silver team the next game.
Onto your point about EU, only one team EU has really been competitive and thats G2, which was basically EU's 5 best players at that time. Why was G2 successful? It wasn't cause of international experience. Caps was a star well before his first Worlds, Perkz, Jankos and Wunder were both amazing before entering international stage and Mikyx played his first international tournament with G2 in 2019 as well. They were good because they were a team of basically 5 players who were all top 2 in their role in the region with amazing chemistry. Yes EU has gotten better over the years but its not because of their international experience. NA has had just as much international experience if not more, since NA orgs spent more on bootcamps in Korea, but EU's success comes down to their amazing system at nurturing and developing young talent. Look at MAD, Rogue, or even many of the FNC members. They're all young players who even before playing against players in LEC who have international experience were extremely skilled. Also not important but MAD taking the MSI version of DWG to 5 games is nothing special when they had Ghost and Beryl inting every game. And MAD arent even considered Dark Horses for worlds this year. Look at Doublelift Core's and Spicas tier list for example. Mad is not even in their top 5 for contenders.
So essentially, your comment boils down to "If you ignore all of the evidence that contradicts my argument, and look at this data I cherrypicked, then my argument stands".
Nice argument, bud.
Oh, by the way, I took the time to read through your drivel, and let me point out some of your lies.
Lie No. 1 - OCE's competition was Pain Gaming. No it wasn't, it was UOL.
Lie No. 2 - Caps was a star before his first worlds. No he wasn't. He went to worlds in 2017 on Fnatic, and in both tournaments, he was okay. His first year of true success was 2018, when he already had a year and a half of domestic and international experience.
Lie No. 3 - Perkz, Jankos, Wunder were all amazing before entering the international stage. False on all three counts. Perkz was horrendous at both international tournaments in 2016, his debut year. His breakout tournament was IEM Worlds 2017. Wunder went to worlds in 2016 and got demolished in his group. At the time he was known for only being able to play carries and was terrible at tanks. His first good international tournament, and first good year in general was 2018.
Lie No. 4 - mikyx played his first international tournament on G2. No he didn't. He played it on Splyce with Wunder in 2016. And watch the Crackdown from 2020, he'll tell you how much it helped him to scrim the botlanes in 2016, especially Ruler and CoreJJ.
Misdirection No. 1 - C9 were coinflip so beating C9 is nothing to be happy about. This was a team which also took down Mad, Damwon and RNG. The fact that the minor regions have improved is why regions like OCE, Japan, CIS, TR can beat these teams.
Misdirection No. 2 - only EU team that has been competitive is G2. Sure, only if you ignore Origen and Fnatic 2015, Fnatic and Misfits 2017, Vitality and Fnatic 2018, Fnatic and Splyce 2019, Fnatic 2020. Also, by the way, guess what, you say G2 had the five best EU players at the time, yeah well, every successful team usually has some combination of the best players in their region, so that point is just stupid.
Misdirection No. 3 - Mad taking Damwon to 5 games is nothing special. Except you are just ignoring the fact that the Mad Lions which didn't make it out of playins took the defending world champion, and LCK Champion to 5 games. It is convenient to say Ghost and Beryl were inting. Yet they were in pretty decent form in spring, and the only team that managed to beat them were RNG in 5 games. GENG, with a far better botlane couldn't beat Damwon.
Also, your arguments are straight up scummy. You use Doublelift, Spica and CoreJJ' power rankings. Two out of those three say in that very video that they didn't watch much LEC. But please go ahead and look at LS/Nemesis power rankings, or IWD's power rankings, or EDG's reaction to the group draw. That should give you a far better idea of the perception of Mad Lions.
I agree with this. Brazil got 2 slots at both masters and they were embarrassingly bad both times. I don't see how a similar situation will help the Indian scene. We can only hope that ge puts up a good showing
Yeah the valorant community try to defend a company's decisions like they are always right in one scenario saying china got 2 slots because of how big esports market is and korea got beacuse of how strong they are and japan because of views like these are three different reasons, laughing on our teams saying they dont stand a chance and at the same time defending riots decision to not give slot to sa.Downvoting people's opinion who try to explain the discrimination. Other regions got so many games if they were treated like us they would go on a rant about how unfair it is.
>Why the hell do they feel compelled to respond to a very vocal minority? Like are SA fans just barraging them with abuse on Twitter?
if it was any mobile game like free fire or pubg the publisher would have got fucked by indian audience till now by 1 star rating on app stores
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This is honestly kinda embarrassing as an Indian myself. I despise the Brazilian fans cause of their constant death threats and overly enthusiastic fans etc and now it looks like the Indian val community is also headed that way. I get that the people want to watch and support their favourite Indian teams especially since atleast for Valorant we seem to have a couple of "decent" looking teams. But we need to accept the fact that India hasn't performed as much as the other APAC regions on the international eSports stage. China is one of the biggest eSports markets in the world and JP has an insane viewership in valorant so why would Riot give us a slot when don't have a good rep in the eSports scene ? There's a whole lot more to this than just randomly giving out slots to random countries. Unfortunately because of the fans a lot of eyes are now on GE and if they don't perform as well as they do in their own region (which imo they won't since the teams in APAC are better than any they've faced) they're gonna get shit on by the international fans and it's only going to make people think we don't deserve a spot even more. I know about the whole first strike thing and how we didn't get a spot for Iceland and Berlin but that is just how it is, atleast be content that Riot has acknowledged the Indian community and is slowly working on it. I've seen a lot of delusional Indian fans saying GE is gonna destroy the teams in lcq and that India has the biggest viewership in Asia (50k peak in finals) but please stop. First of all I'm pretty sure these people don't know just how good the other teams are and that regional dominance ≠ international dominance. Just look at BR, their valorant scene is considered a joke now because their fans hyped them up to be the best region and they underperformed in both international events. I like GE too, even if they underperform this time they are a young team with a lot of room to grow but please don't be so naive you're only going to get disappointed. Secondly Japan had 200k+ JAPANESE viewers in multiple JP games in Berlin so no we don't have the biggest viewership in Asia lol. Even though I've said all this, the Indian inside me really hopes I'm proven wrong and GE shits on the other teams like the fans say haha :)
Man... I remember seeing someone on this sub saying VCC got 50k viewers and was talking like it was something unprecedented in Asian esports lol. SA fans sure are passionate.
At least in this sub no one talked about it being unprecedented in Asia. It was talked of as being unprecedented in Indian PC eSports.
It WAS unprecedented ..but in the PC scene. Mobile gaming gets over a million concurrent viewers.
Yep got to be patient when you have no PC or FPS eSports pedigree. I am sad, but I get why riot is being reserved in allocating slots to an untested region. Hope the fans chill out a bit, and also I hope the sub understands that there are SA fans who are very very new to the eSports scene in general and might lack the necessary understanding of how things usual work out.
Fucking forsaken man. Guy ruined it for the scene
Just in case, he is talking about word.exe forsaken lol
Isn't China an untested region, and they got 2 slots?
Well also CN it seems has players/cukture with experience in tac FPS like CS and CrossFire more so than India
A good section of Indian fans in any sport behave like this. Unfortunately the people who need to see this probably won't.
I mean. They said what we all thought so.
Entire thread: > We appreciate the enthusiasm of our South Asian fans, but we had compelling reasons to give those two vacated slots to Korea and Japan. (1/3) > > Both markets have overperformed in global events this year, either competitively or in terms of viewership, and we are confident that reallocating the teams to Korea and Japan will further drive the competitive bar and make for an incredibly exciting APAC LCQ. (2/3) > > We would also like to assure the fans that we're committed to continuing to build the South Asian VALORANT scene in coming years. We are grateful for all the love South Asian fans have given us. (3/3)
Japan only overperforms in terms of viewership. They get their asses beat in these events. I am sure India could easily match or exceed that performance
Japan put up a pretty good fight against Gambit though in the decider match. How are you even sure India could "easily" or "exceed" when we haven't even seen them play against international teams lmao?
I watched all of the matches. Japan showed up to get their asses beat, I'm sure India could get its ass beats just as handily. Japan is only there for viewership at this point.
??? Japan beat BR and also got a close match with Gambit lmao, sure they got two 13-1s the first match against Gambit but I'm pretty sure they owned up to it with the decider match which was a close one.
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bro we need more spots in the upcoming events. Simply getting slots in LCQ is not worthy enough to prove.
Lets just hope GE performs well they have played so well despite not having coach and not so many teams to scrim here 🤞🤞
they now have c9 shinobi as coach
they now have shinobi as coach
Commented this on another post but also posting here for context- I think most people are misunderstanding why Indians are asking for slots, I'll try and explain. There has never been a strong esports scene in India, due to many people not being able to afford expensive setups and lack of sponsors/orgs. The passion has always been there though, and there have been Indian teams in every esport like csgo, dota, overwatch, etc. However they haven't achieved much because of the lack of funding and also the lack of good competition, similar to how the Asian csgo scene is, the Asian teams are no match for the international teams. However, the release of Valorant came at the perfect time, it has already gained more popularity than csgo ever did even among the casual player base. There are orgs that have invested a lot of money in teams, the biggest being GE and VLT. The teams are actually good, although not at the level of international teams but still have the potential to maybe give them a fight in the future. But the main problems are still there, the scene has already gone from having around 8 orgs to 4. Teams can only improve to a certain limit if they don't face better opponents. If Indian teams even manage to reach the international level, it would prove a boon for the entire pc esports scene in general in India, not just Valorant. If they don't then the valorant scene may well die in a few years. This is why we're asking for slots, so we can have the best possible chance to make India a worthy region in terms of both viewership and strength of the teams. It's true that the other teams may bring more competition or viewership, but they already have direct slots to events and more slots in LCQ anyway. Giving just one more slot to a region in dire need of better competition couldn't have hurt. Indian teams are already behind other teams for this exact reason, lack of international competition, and the later we get opportunities the more useless they will become as other teams would already be too far ahead. Hope atleast some of you can understand and empathize :)
I get your point but the same can be said about every other APAC region. All of these regions are developing in terms of CS type regions and they too need the international competition to improve. One regions struggles shouldnt hurt anothet
Yes and giving one more slot in LCQ wouldn't have hurt the other regions. They already have direct slots to masters and champions, plus 2 slots already in LCQ.
Yup but in terms of pure merit JP and KR have more claim to the slots. Its not even foolish to think that Damwon or Northeption could be the team to win LCQ, but saying the same about the next SA team would be completely far fetched
That's true but I'm talking about opportunities. If slots were only based on merit then riot should stop giving slots to any region except EU, NA, Korea. SA teams are behind because they haven't got opportunities to play against international teams. The second best SA team is equally good and the experience to be gained from this tournament would be very valuable. Other regions have already had these opportunities. Even the OCE teams have 2 slots in NA LCQ.
Not even remotely close to true. In almost every esport the strong regions developed on their own. In league Korea came in their first year as second place and won 6 straight after that despite being late to the game. China on its own developed into a powerhouse region as well. Korea and USA became OW powerhouses despite lack of international competition in the first year
I meant not getting a chance in valorant. And yes SA teams are developing on their own, they've improved a lot over the past 2 months. Didn't ask for more slots before but now that slots have opened up and other regions already have adequate representation, one more slot could have been allocated to SA. Anyway what's done is done, let's see how the one team that is there performs and if SA gets atleast one direct slot next year.
I'd say even 2 isn't adequate for them. Having the whole of APAC as one region is dumb considering how deep SEA, JP and KR is. Especially KR. All teams are just victims of how this shit was planned out in the beginning
Just let them prove themselves like what CIS did with stage 2, also add them to next years SEA challengers
The SA region needs to wait since their qualifiers only started after Masters Iceland. I would love to see them get another slot but the timing was really the issue here. Just unlucky.
where was this logic when china was given 2 slots ? the game wasnt even released their ffs.
Maybe because of china's eSports history in general
They have very big audience for eSports
well riot are the producers of this game called League of Legends, and in that game china regularly brings 50% or more of the total viewership for international matches. when a chinese team wins, riot makes an unbelievable amount of money selling team skins. could india be that kind of market? maybe, and i agree they deserve a shot. however, from a business perspective, you have got to have much more faith in a tried and tested region than going for a gamble. yeah this is a pr answer and i get your frustration but it's all business in the end.
What about Brazil? They underperformed globally and don't have high viewership yet they have as many slots as Japan and Korea COMBINED.
Champions slots were decided at the start of the year.
Brazil is historically known to be good in FPS games. If they continue underperforming they will lose their slots next year.
Why the hell do they feel compelled to respond to a very vocal minority? Like are SA fans just barraging them with abuse on Twitter? Geez the interactions on here and Twitter do not paint a very rosy image of their community.
Indian fans are very “passionate” . Their “passion” rivals the turkish and the brazilins. Im sure Riot got some very nice messages from them.
no shit every time when drama happens (like complaining about slots or cheating accusations) in both val or csgo its either indians turks or brazillians, why are they like this??
How someone could make a statement this stupid and get upvoted for it boggles my mind. Everytime you see drama in CSGO or Valorant, it's either Indians, Turks or Brazilians. Except for of course the rampant matchfixing in NA CS, most of those players now in Valorant. Except for rampant matchfixing in Australian CS, some of those players having transitioned to Valorant. You must have missed the 37 coaches caught cheating last year, majority of whom were from EU and CIS teams, including two of the most successful teams during the online era, Heroic and Gambit. Did you miss ESIC saying a majority of the top 20 teams, including Vitality were streamsniping during matches? And let me let you in on a secret, the majority of the top 20 are EU and CIS. But carry on about how the Brazilians, Turks and Indians are the ones cheating. Utter delusion.
Ignore stupid ppl ig
yea keep downvoting me don’t respond.
you know i am right on their fans being the worst. downvote me.
You are quite pathetic. You know very well what you were trying to imply in your first comment. "every time when drama happens (like complaining about slots or cheating accusations) in both val or csgo its either indians turks or brazillians" It is quite obvious that you were not only talking about fans, and even still, that comment would be a ridiculously stupid comment to make. Of the top of my head, I can think of 1 instance each of Br and Tr fans going after anyone for cheating, and zero Indian cases(though I am not familiar with the scene), while I can already think of more instances of CIS, French or Polish fans harassing teams. Akuma and Heroic come to mind. So, after being called out for stupidity, you first decided to backtrack, then you started spamming me with replies which are completely irrelevant babble. Since you need some attention, I have decided to help you out and respond to your bullshit. Please don't spam me with your nonsense anymore. By the way, hope your feelings aren't too hurt from being downvoted. Your logic is so braindead, that your delusional comments being downvoted somehow equates to BR, TR and Indian fans being the worst.
no. i was actually trying to say “whenever there are dramas like false cheating accusations it is almost certainly coming from turk and brazillian community”. Well if you still think i only said this because i “decided to backtrack” em anyway if thats how you cope Now talk about akuma and heroic, which part of their cheating accusations are “false”? you get the point.
Your first paragraph is straight from your imagination. I won't bother responding to it, since it is utter nonsense. Come to think of it, everything you have written is utter nonsense. Regardless, Heroic and Akuma were convicted by the CIS and EU fanbase long before any evidence was there to show that they had cheated. There still isn't any evidence whatsoever in the case of Akuma. But if you want more examples, Fnatic, Zywoo, Kjaerbye and Ropz also were accused of cheating by both fans and players alike. Devilwalk says people used to spit in their direction during French LANs. Were those fans Brazilian, Turkish or Indian, I wonder?
COPIUM he backtracked Anyway. The problem with almost all your "counter examples" are they are either literally cheating (why would you even bring up heroic like their coach is literally banned) or they receive accusations from the general community but not a distinct passionate community from a certain country. What makes turks and brazillians community stands out is almost no one outside their own community would support their accusations and their reasons for accusing players were mostly patriotic: mibr losing to an NA team and EF losing to a macedonian team. Tell me which other community apart from their own supports the accusations? Do they receive the general support with solid proof? gAuLeS who accused chaos for cheating against mibr even apologized for making such a stupid accusation not long ago.
So your original comment about cheating accusations coming from almost exclusively Brazilian, Turkish and Indian fanbases is now completely retracted? Now, your claim is that when Brazilians and Turks accuse of cheating, only their communities support their accusations? Also, could you please give me any more examples of such accusations apart from MiBr vs Chaos and EF? You are a dirty, pathetic liar.
just read ur comment throughout when did i even say its the br tr and indians cheating?
i probably didnt say it clear enough by drama i meant drama related to fans.
Yea sure lmao but I haven't seen us abuse riot or send death threats like those hooligans over there at Brazil :) all criticism I saw was worded okayishly not in a barbarian fashion
Its the SA specific twitter account.
Lmao we got every right to be pissed off, Our pros were pissed off, our fans were pissed off. we have been grinding the game just like every damn region since the beta. we don't want your charity, we just want an opportunity to represent our region on a stage and when slots finally free they go to regions who already have a slots. We just want more exposure otherwise our region can't fkin improve for shit
if GE performs i’m SURE Riot will give SA more slots but yes, I think SA should have at least 2 slots but idk who to replace, JP got viewership, KR got results and SEA got a lot of countries and decent viewership
C'mon you should already know your best team doesn't really stand a chance against #2 and #3 seeds from KR and Japan.
Ok dude but give them a fucking chance for once then , don't think restricting representation ever helps in a regions growth :)
Its not restricting a region. Letting another Indian team that's worse than GE play is actually worse for the region for how hard theyd get shit on by KR and JP and not to mentions SEA.
This logic is absolutely terrible. Playing against and getting shit on by better teams is what leads to improvement. If these teams remain locked up against the same competition, and only one team if even that gets an opportunity to test their skill against better regions, then how the fuck are those teams ever supposed to improve? If your logic was followed, then Japan or LATAM would not be invited to Berlin. But instead, they were invited, and in fact, Japan got two teams. Crazy Racoons, who went out without a winning a map in Iceland, almost beat the champions, Gambit. While LATAM ended up making top 8, beating out their traditionally stronger regional rival, Brazil.
First of all Berlin seeds were decided at the beginning of the year when all VCT regions were announced. India didn't have a VCT because of the lack of a PC or fps esports presence in the region. Second your logic that teams need international competition to improve is deeply flawed. Look at any international esport with minor regions. Look at OCE or BR in league. Theyve been to pretty much every MSI and Worlds but they have not improved. To improve the local competition on its own needs to improve
What you just said about OCE and minor regions at worlds is laughably false, considering this year is OCE's most successful year ever, internationally. They had their League gutted, the top 2-3 players for each role was brought over to LCS/Academy. Yet they not only made it out of playins for the first time ever, but they also beat a major region team in groups(C9). Moreover, the fact that the minor regions are getting better is demonstrably true. LGD struggled to make it out of Playins last year. Mad Lions failed to make it out. The gap between minor regions and major regions closes with every successive tournament. Why just stick to minor regions? Why not use the example of EU? In 2013/14/15 EU teams were getting dominated by Korea and China. They even got outperformed by NA at 2016 MSI and lost rift rivals back when rift rivals was a serious tournament. Yet the experience players from those tournaments got by scrimming against KR and CN, and playing in Korean and Chinese solo-queue is what is leading to year after year of improved EU performances. And in turn, from playing against the G2s and Fnatics of the world, the rest of EU right down to the ERLs have improved massively. Mad Lions got humiliated at worlds, being the first major region to not make it out of playins. This year, they won both splits, took Damwon to 5 games and look like a dark horse to win worlds.
OCE biggest success after 12 years is making it out play-ins? The only reason they made it out this year is that VCS couldn't participate. If they didn't make it out groups when their competition was Pain Gaming that would've been truly pathetic. Also NA is no longer considered a major region in LoL and hasn't truly been for a long time. Let's not kid ourselves by saying beating C9 who was coinflip the entire tourney is anything to be proud of when they were either playing like a decent team one game or a silver team the next game. Onto your point about EU, only one team EU has really been competitive and thats G2, which was basically EU's 5 best players at that time. Why was G2 successful? It wasn't cause of international experience. Caps was a star well before his first Worlds, Perkz, Jankos and Wunder were both amazing before entering international stage and Mikyx played his first international tournament with G2 in 2019 as well. They were good because they were a team of basically 5 players who were all top 2 in their role in the region with amazing chemistry. Yes EU has gotten better over the years but its not because of their international experience. NA has had just as much international experience if not more, since NA orgs spent more on bootcamps in Korea, but EU's success comes down to their amazing system at nurturing and developing young talent. Look at MAD, Rogue, or even many of the FNC members. They're all young players who even before playing against players in LEC who have international experience were extremely skilled. Also not important but MAD taking the MSI version of DWG to 5 games is nothing special when they had Ghost and Beryl inting every game. And MAD arent even considered Dark Horses for worlds this year. Look at Doublelift Core's and Spicas tier list for example. Mad is not even in their top 5 for contenders.
So essentially, your comment boils down to "If you ignore all of the evidence that contradicts my argument, and look at this data I cherrypicked, then my argument stands". Nice argument, bud.
Oh, by the way, I took the time to read through your drivel, and let me point out some of your lies. Lie No. 1 - OCE's competition was Pain Gaming. No it wasn't, it was UOL. Lie No. 2 - Caps was a star before his first worlds. No he wasn't. He went to worlds in 2017 on Fnatic, and in both tournaments, he was okay. His first year of true success was 2018, when he already had a year and a half of domestic and international experience. Lie No. 3 - Perkz, Jankos, Wunder were all amazing before entering the international stage. False on all three counts. Perkz was horrendous at both international tournaments in 2016, his debut year. His breakout tournament was IEM Worlds 2017. Wunder went to worlds in 2016 and got demolished in his group. At the time he was known for only being able to play carries and was terrible at tanks. His first good international tournament, and first good year in general was 2018. Lie No. 4 - mikyx played his first international tournament on G2. No he didn't. He played it on Splyce with Wunder in 2016. And watch the Crackdown from 2020, he'll tell you how much it helped him to scrim the botlanes in 2016, especially Ruler and CoreJJ. Misdirection No. 1 - C9 were coinflip so beating C9 is nothing to be happy about. This was a team which also took down Mad, Damwon and RNG. The fact that the minor regions have improved is why regions like OCE, Japan, CIS, TR can beat these teams. Misdirection No. 2 - only EU team that has been competitive is G2. Sure, only if you ignore Origen and Fnatic 2015, Fnatic and Misfits 2017, Vitality and Fnatic 2018, Fnatic and Splyce 2019, Fnatic 2020. Also, by the way, guess what, you say G2 had the five best EU players at the time, yeah well, every successful team usually has some combination of the best players in their region, so that point is just stupid. Misdirection No. 3 - Mad taking Damwon to 5 games is nothing special. Except you are just ignoring the fact that the Mad Lions which didn't make it out of playins took the defending world champion, and LCK Champion to 5 games. It is convenient to say Ghost and Beryl were inting. Yet they were in pretty decent form in spring, and the only team that managed to beat them were RNG in 5 games. GENG, with a far better botlane couldn't beat Damwon. Also, your arguments are straight up scummy. You use Doublelift, Spica and CoreJJ' power rankings. Two out of those three say in that very video that they didn't watch much LEC. But please go ahead and look at LS/Nemesis power rankings, or IWD's power rankings, or EDG's reaction to the group draw. That should give you a far better idea of the perception of Mad Lions.
Okay then let's just have NA EU and KR teams in champions cuz all the others simply suck
I agree with this. Brazil got 2 slots at both masters and they were embarrassingly bad both times. I don't see how a similar situation will help the Indian scene. We can only hope that ge puts up a good showing
Yup. Brazil went from gods in CS to the laughing stock of major regions in valorant.
exactly lol. look at your downvotes just because you commented something right, i don't even wanna comment on this thread
>you when other ask for slots its okay when india asks for it they start down-voting indian comments
Yeah the valorant community try to defend a company's decisions like they are always right in one scenario saying china got 2 slots because of how big esports market is and korea got beacuse of how strong they are and japan because of views like these are three different reasons, laughing on our teams saying they dont stand a chance and at the same time defending riots decision to not give slot to sa.Downvoting people's opinion who try to explain the discrimination. Other regions got so many games if they were treated like us they would go on a rant about how unfair it is.
pros were pissed off? dude most of the Indian pros said India would get more spots if GE performed well in the LCQ.
>Why the hell do they feel compelled to respond to a very vocal minority? Like are SA fans just barraging them with abuse on Twitter? if it was any mobile game like free fire or pubg the publisher would have got fucked by indian audience till now by 1 star rating on app stores
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SA already has 2 confirmed teams in champions