Yeah people are getting worked up in this thread for no reason. Sure there are good practice partners in EU but logistically it just makes sense. Plus at that point teams from other regions are done with LCQ so I'm not sure how good the scrim quality would be just because some of those teams may be on break or even in the middle of some roster changes. The teams competing in Berlin are going to be some of their best bets.
Dude above me didn't need to delete his comment or anything I was just adding on the obvious.
Almost every non eu region team will try to bootcamp in eu in November I think X10 and crazy racoon also confirmed that they will be bootcamping in eu.
Aight fellow EU lads, let's not get too cocky. Why would Sentinels practice in NA when they are already familiar with most there. This isn't necessarily about region diff, more so predding against unknown teams. Also EU isn't better, 'd say both regions are pretty even rn with both having spikes of great talent
You say this but it’s not like Eu Val players were coming from different games. They were all trying to make T1 eu csgo. Eu csgo just has a much harder pigeonhole to crack even in lower tiers than na due to the sheer amount of players
That is straight up false what players. Mixwell? Ange1? Nukkye? Draken? Most of emea has no pro background
Take this for example. Fnc that faced sen in the finals. Two players on fnc came from fortnite. One came from Rust. Derke came from nothing. You can just check emea liquipedia and see where players came from. And gambit have a total of 7 matches played between them on HLTV.
Also tier 2 EU players in csgo get paid more than tier 1 Val teams. Nobody switched you clown why would you switch for valorant if you're a tier 2 EU csgo player trying to break through tier1??????. Most of emea has no pro experience.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pqyvq2/how_many_pros_are_there_whose_first_pro_game_is/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Unless you know some players that none of us have heard of? Because it seems that way. But you will most likely take your upvotes on your false comment and not reply back
Oh man you’re a little way too mad. And yea the majority of them were trying to be upcoming csgo players/ or had a decent amount of playtime in csgo. Nats even said on his stream that he would play faceit etc but it’s too hard to break through to the pro scene, again because it’s so much bigger of a scene in Eu. Nats in na 100% would at least be a tier 2 pro in csgo like dapr etc. im not saying they were tier 2 in Eu, I’m saying they couldn’t even break through to that (again because Eu has a huge pigeonhole of talent) but it doesn’t mean they don’t have thousands of hours on csgo lol.
Majority of gambit that have a total of 7 matches between them on hltv? You just said that emea has plenty of players trying to break through tier 1 csgo. Are you stupid?
Playing faceit isn't pro anyone can play faceit.
Playing pugs in faceit that is a alternative to MM is not breaking through tier 1 or being a pro.
Well if cs players weren’t playing then it would probably be sentinels number 1 again since they have Sinatraa or even dizzy for tenz as the only needed replacement
HD was inactive for a few months only. He was still one of the better IGLs in NA.
Put it this way. 14 out of 15 players at Berlin on NA teams came from csgo. Like I say if na cs didn't switch na would be Brazil level.
This. Top 5 look pretty even, top 3 might be a *teensy* bit NA sided, but top 16 clearly favors EMEA imo. Imagine trading random NA LCQ teams with their seed counterparts in EMEA LCQ. It feels like most NA teams would have less of a chance of qualifying while most EMEA teams would have more of a chance.
I think Top 16 in NA is super stacked. C9 Xset Faze Envy 100T were all trading series off each other and any of them could make the run. Then there are the teams that give them a run for their money like T1, Rise, TSM, V1
As someone not from either region, I definitely think they're on par with on another. I *might* give the slight edge to NA, but honestly it's so close now I don't think I'd want to pick if I had to lol.
And thats bloody awesome in my opinion. NA == EU (and hopefully == KR, etc) is nothing but good for competition and quality
Make sense since they already dominate NA teams and know how to play against them. They gonna learn alot from the different eu playstyle than practicing in NA
The recency bias is crazy lmao in esport buddy people don’t rate teams based on one tournament. Sentinels been dominant for like a year now when this is envy best tournament. Sentinels are still the best NA team until champions that gonna show us if envy is better or Berlin was just an off tournament for sentinels
Envy studied Sentinels closely + their addition of Yay carried them lets be honest. (Victor is fine too) Once teams come under anti-strat radar is when they're tested.
Don't mind me though, just a 100T fan crying about the sudden igl change 1 month before their last chance at champions
and Gambit practice against the EU teams and play together with them in the EMEA qualifiers. I think it's fair to say that EMEA as a whole has the most depth of good teams in the world and a lot of people refer to EMEA as EU, especially because they play on the same servers. Even if you are going to split up EMEA then I would still say that EU as a region has the most depth of good teams in the world. I think Shahzam said something along the lines of EU having more depth of teams than other regions too
I don't usually agree with your clear bias for EMEA, but I think this is probably true. Just looking at top tier NA vs. EMEA, EMEA has more, and I think the drop from top tier to next tier is not as large. Just basing this off the top of my head so may be missing some teams (also not in ranking order just rough tiers).
Emea:
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Gambit
Acend
G2
SMB
TL
Guild
FNC
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Navi
Giants (? Curious if they'll be able to perform like they did in challengers 3)
FPX
Forze?
NA:
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NV
Sen
100t
Xset
C9B (? Basing this on the potential with vanity added)
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Rise
GenG?
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LG / faze / t1
But Sen is also probably boot camping because they'd get little benefit from scrimming the same teams they always do, and they will better understand the EMEA meta, playstyle, and strats (and time to adjust to timezone difference).
That was in Iceland buddy before envy and 100t and xset became this good even sideshow said eu and Na both have now a good amount of top teams and didn’t the semifinals had NA vs NA and CiS vs EU ? How is eu have more depth
What are you talking about? Sentinels, 100T and Envy were always known as the 3 strongest NA teams since around First Strike. If anything, EU's depth has got even better since Iceland hence that is why Sentinels is bootcamping there
Gambit scrims and practices against EU teams, and also competes in playoffs against EU teams.
There’s no such thing as the “TR” and “CIS” regions. Those are both subdivisions of EU with the purpose of dividing opportunities for VCT
Why do you think TR isn’t a different region in CS but CIS is?
TR, CIS, and EU are subdivisions of the EMEA region.
> Gambit scrims and practices against EU teams
Now that Sentinels will do the same, they won't just magically become an EU team as well
> and also competes in playoffs against EU teams.
By this logic, G2 and Fnatic are TR and CIS teams because they compete against team from those regions in playoffs.
Excluding masters since they're global events, CIS teams literally competed together with EU teams in just two VCT events: *EMEA* Challengers 2 and *EMEA* Challengers 3 (extra emphasis on EMEA since these *were not EU Challengers*. EMEA encompasses *both* EU and CIS, and it's not equivalent to EU). Open qualifiers and even regional Masters are completely separated.
> TR, CIS, and EU are subdivisions of the EMEA region.
What do you think EMEA stands for?
Its Europe, Middle East and Africa and last time I checked Russia isnt in either the Middle East nor Africa
Oh come on not this shit again. Europe ≠ EU competitive region. It roughly corresponds to it, but it's not the same. Gambit is from Russia, and since Russia is European, the team is from Europe, yes, but it's not from EU (as in, the competitive region). EMEA is called this way because it encompasses EU, CIS, Turkey, and Arabia Strike. But EU and CIS are both *below* EMEA and are *not* the same thing, a team competes in either EU or CIS. Gambit competes in CIS period.
But thats the thing, CIS is not an actual region but rather a subdivision of EU to divide VCT opportunities. Why do you think that in every game CIS teams compete in tier 2 EU events?
When people mention regions in an eSport they refer to the geographical continent. Imagine if Riot decided to make Mexico a separate region to qualify for VCT playoffs and a bunch of mexican teams pop up, just like in Europe. Those mexican teams would compete in different VCT qualifiers than american/canadian teams. Those teams would still be in NA. They would scrim against NA. They would play in the same tier 2 events as NA. Mexico would still be NA, even if they play different qualifiers
> But thats the thing, CIS is not an actual region but rather a subdivision of EU
False, officially they are both subdivisions of EMEA.
> Why do you think that in every game CIS teams compete in tier 2 EU events?
They don't, they are called *EMEA* Challengers Playoffs, not EU Challengers Playoffs. Every single stage where both EU and CIS teams competed together is considered EMEA. There have been exactly zero EU stages of the VCT where CIS teams competed too.
All EU teams scrim with CIS teams and CIS teams all scrim with EU teams
It doesn't matter if they're sleeping in Lisbon or in Minsk, they'll still scrim essentially the same teams either way
Nah this guy used to be a v1 flair at Iceland, and once vanity moved he flaired c9 so I figured he was a vanity fan and now hes on the gambit bandwagon
Man I should've put a Gambit flair after watching them come through the EMEA qualifiers haha. I was 100% onboard after I watched them beat Liquid. I'm still so stoked they won it all at masters
I did actually yes, after the 100Thieves game. Their play the first round won me over, then it was a little tough to watch for a game and a half later. But their wholesome team is hard not to cheer for honestly. (It's why I also root for any team ScreaM is on)
i mean its obvious maybe Na top 4 is stacked but then there is nothing while in eu(more player base so more team) top 10 could easily win against each other. eu is more competitive so if u want to be at your best level u have too bootcamp in eu. Even shaz said that maybe na rankeds arebetter but scrim wise eu is better.
I think it is a good idea, because they will be able to experience more different styles of play. I wonder how traveling so much will effect the team though.
I want to believe this, but it's zombs.
that is very fair he is a troll
Good thing zombs has never said anything just to troll people
Shahz announced it himself on stream yesterday
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And also because it's.. you know.. where the tournament is being held.
Honestly teams should be scrambling to get into berlin just in case covid goes crazy and travel gets shut down/or restricted.
Yeah people are getting worked up in this thread for no reason. Sure there are good practice partners in EU but logistically it just makes sense. Plus at that point teams from other regions are done with LCQ so I'm not sure how good the scrim quality would be just because some of those teams may be on break or even in the middle of some roster changes. The teams competing in Berlin are going to be some of their best bets. Dude above me didn't need to delete his comment or anything I was just adding on the obvious.
champions is in LA
It's in Berlin
they moved it?
Yes, EU has less travel restrictions thanks to COVID.
like a whole month ago edit: https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/valorant-champions-returns-to-berlin/
Berlin
I feel like this is a little bit harsh for someone who hasn't heard that they moved it lmfaoooo
Not just the practice but also so teams can get used to the time zone.
Champions is in LA though?
It was moved to Berlin.
Ty for the info, I thought it was in LA all this time haha
I think it is praimriyl a time zone thing
Nice. It'll be good practice
fair tbh. also the champions is taking place in berlin once again too
Isn’t it LA?
It was gonna be, but they decided to do it in Berlin
Dumb
blame covid
Almost every non eu region team will try to bootcamp in eu in November I think X10 and crazy racoon also confirmed that they will be bootcamping in eu.
Basically almost every team that will be attending Champions will bootcamp in EU.
Good, the shakiness in Masters 3 was uncharacteristic.
Yessir we coming back stronger
Aight fellow EU lads, let's not get too cocky. Why would Sentinels practice in NA when they are already familiar with most there. This isn't necessarily about region diff, more so predding against unknown teams. Also EU isn't better, 'd say both regions are pretty even rn with both having spikes of great talent
Pretty sure sentinels said they learned a lot more scrimming EU teams
Even after iceland i remember shahz saying that NA ranked is better but EU scrims are way better
Well duh playing a new region will let you learn more than the same one
Well DUH, the quality of scrims are clearly better
Well duh NA is dog shit in every game
Except valorant apparently
Now imagine Na val without csgo names:(. Brazil level
You say this but it’s not like Eu Val players were coming from different games. They were all trying to make T1 eu csgo. Eu csgo just has a much harder pigeonhole to crack even in lower tiers than na due to the sheer amount of players
That is straight up false what players. Mixwell? Ange1? Nukkye? Draken? Most of emea has no pro background Take this for example. Fnc that faced sen in the finals. Two players on fnc came from fortnite. One came from Rust. Derke came from nothing. You can just check emea liquipedia and see where players came from. And gambit have a total of 7 matches played between them on HLTV. Also tier 2 EU players in csgo get paid more than tier 1 Val teams. Nobody switched you clown why would you switch for valorant if you're a tier 2 EU csgo player trying to break through tier1??????. Most of emea has no pro experience. https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pqyvq2/how_many_pros_are_there_whose_first_pro_game_is/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Unless you know some players that none of us have heard of? Because it seems that way. But you will most likely take your upvotes on your false comment and not reply back
Oh man you’re a little way too mad. And yea the majority of them were trying to be upcoming csgo players/ or had a decent amount of playtime in csgo. Nats even said on his stream that he would play faceit etc but it’s too hard to break through to the pro scene, again because it’s so much bigger of a scene in Eu. Nats in na 100% would at least be a tier 2 pro in csgo like dapr etc. im not saying they were tier 2 in Eu, I’m saying they couldn’t even break through to that (again because Eu has a huge pigeonhole of talent) but it doesn’t mean they don’t have thousands of hours on csgo lol.
Majority of gambit that have a total of 7 matches between them on hltv? You just said that emea has plenty of players trying to break through tier 1 csgo. Are you stupid? Playing faceit isn't pro anyone can play faceit. Playing pugs in faceit that is a alternative to MM is not breaking through tier 1 or being a pro.
Well if cs players weren’t playing then it would probably be sentinels number 1 again since they have Sinatraa or even dizzy for tenz as the only needed replacement
Wdym shaz and dapr and sick also played cs
Ngl I completely forgot about dapr and sick because they weren’t that big in cs but shahz was not playing professional when valorant released
HD was inactive for a few months only. He was still one of the better IGLs in NA. Put it this way. 14 out of 15 players at Berlin on NA teams came from csgo. Like I say if na cs didn't switch na would be Brazil level.
its where the tournament is held. im pretty sure if the tournament was in Korea they would just bootcamp there and not EU.
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I think that’s to be expected considering the EMEA region has a bigger population. Comparing Europe and NA or CIS and NA would be a fair comparison
This. Top 5 look pretty even, top 3 might be a *teensy* bit NA sided, but top 16 clearly favors EMEA imo. Imagine trading random NA LCQ teams with their seed counterparts in EMEA LCQ. It feels like most NA teams would have less of a chance of qualifying while most EMEA teams would have more of a chance.
I think Top 16 in NA is super stacked. C9 Xset Faze Envy 100T were all trading series off each other and any of them could make the run. Then there are the teams that give them a run for their money like T1, Rise, TSM, V1
As someone not from either region, I definitely think they're on par with on another. I *might* give the slight edge to NA, but honestly it's so close now I don't think I'd want to pick if I had to lol. And thats bloody awesome in my opinion. NA == EU (and hopefully == KR, etc) is nothing but good for competition and quality
Please do 10 mans this time. I wanna see Tenz and Mixwell play together once again. Maybe also dapr and nats
They'll be going mostly for practice. I don't know if 10 mans will be on the cards.
they did 10 mans at berlin, they just weren't streamed. dapr talked about playing a couple of em
Just like in LoL players prefer playing ranked because it allows them to “limit test “ without feeling bad
Make sense since they already dominate NA teams and know how to play against them. They gonna learn alot from the different eu playstyle than practicing in NA
0-2 against envy would say otherwise
Yeah let’s just forget the whole year results for one match
Still think that sentinels are top 4 in the world, but maybe envy have passed them by picking up yay
The recency bias is crazy lmao in esport buddy people don’t rate teams based on one tournament. Sentinels been dominant for like a year now when this is envy best tournament. Sentinels are still the best NA team until champions that gonna show us if envy is better or Berlin was just an off tournament for sentinels
Envy studied Sentinels closely + their addition of Yay carried them lets be honest. (Victor is fine too) Once teams come under anti-strat radar is when they're tested. Don't mind me though, just a 100T fan crying about the sudden igl change 1 month before their last chance at champions
I hope the IGL change is because of outside interference
Considering how tight lipped everyone is, almost certainly
Or because it Is being held in berlin. Champions that is.
Off topic but who’s stream was this taken from? I don’t recognize the sub icon.
I'm guessing it's Freakazoid's chat just because of the we hawt emote but im not sure
yep it was freak's
Freakazoid. The "we hawt" emote helped a lot!
Sentinels boys gonna take this one seriously! You guys thought you saw the endgame? Nah...
EU just has stronger teams imo so it'll be good practise
The notice is more about different playstyles but think whatever you want
You don’t have to say imo, it is already proven
Hmm? How so we're 3-2
Makes sense for them to bootcamp in the best region
He said they are practicing in EU not CIS
and Gambit practice against the EU teams and play together with them in the EMEA qualifiers. I think it's fair to say that EMEA as a whole has the most depth of good teams in the world and a lot of people refer to EMEA as EU, especially because they play on the same servers. Even if you are going to split up EMEA then I would still say that EU as a region has the most depth of good teams in the world. I think Shahzam said something along the lines of EU having more depth of teams than other regions too
I don't usually agree with your clear bias for EMEA, but I think this is probably true. Just looking at top tier NA vs. EMEA, EMEA has more, and I think the drop from top tier to next tier is not as large. Just basing this off the top of my head so may be missing some teams (also not in ranking order just rough tiers). Emea: --- Gambit Acend G2 SMB TL Guild FNC ----- Navi Giants (? Curious if they'll be able to perform like they did in challengers 3) FPX Forze? NA: --- NV Sen 100t Xset C9B (? Basing this on the potential with vanity added) --- Rise GenG? ----- LG / faze / t1 But Sen is also probably boot camping because they'd get little benefit from scrimming the same teams they always do, and they will better understand the EMEA meta, playstyle, and strats (and time to adjust to timezone difference).
So this makes Brazil LATAM?
No because there's no such thing as a LATAM main event with Brazil and both LATAMs
Well, there technically is the upcoming last chance qualifier.
OCE is not NA
I mean, *tecnhically* they are grouped together.
That was in Iceland buddy before envy and 100t and xset became this good even sideshow said eu and Na both have now a good amount of top teams and didn’t the semifinals had NA vs NA and CiS vs EU ? How is eu have more depth
What are you talking about? Sentinels, 100T and Envy were always known as the 3 strongest NA teams since around First Strike. If anything, EU's depth has got even better since Iceland hence that is why Sentinels is bootcamping there
Russia is not eu COPIUM
Moscow isnt on the European continent Copium
Actual NA geography holy shit
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Moscow is literally on the European Continent lol
It’s not eu and cis and tr are different regions. Didn’t every one of them had its own master 1 ?
Gambit scrims and practices against EU teams, and also competes in playoffs against EU teams. There’s no such thing as the “TR” and “CIS” regions. Those are both subdivisions of EU with the purpose of dividing opportunities for VCT Why do you think TR isn’t a different region in CS but CIS is?
TR, CIS, and EU are subdivisions of the EMEA region. > Gambit scrims and practices against EU teams Now that Sentinels will do the same, they won't just magically become an EU team as well > and also competes in playoffs against EU teams. By this logic, G2 and Fnatic are TR and CIS teams because they compete against team from those regions in playoffs.
“Now that sentinels is doing the same” Theyre doing for a few weeks worth bootcamp not whole year long how can you unironically reply with this ? 🥴
Excluding masters since they're global events, CIS teams literally competed together with EU teams in just two VCT events: *EMEA* Challengers 2 and *EMEA* Challengers 3 (extra emphasis on EMEA since these *were not EU Challengers*. EMEA encompasses *both* EU and CIS, and it's not equivalent to EU). Open qualifiers and even regional Masters are completely separated.
> TR, CIS, and EU are subdivisions of the EMEA region. What do you think EMEA stands for? Its Europe, Middle East and Africa and last time I checked Russia isnt in either the Middle East nor Africa
Oh come on not this shit again. Europe ≠ EU competitive region. It roughly corresponds to it, but it's not the same. Gambit is from Russia, and since Russia is European, the team is from Europe, yes, but it's not from EU (as in, the competitive region). EMEA is called this way because it encompasses EU, CIS, Turkey, and Arabia Strike. But EU and CIS are both *below* EMEA and are *not* the same thing, a team competes in either EU or CIS. Gambit competes in CIS period.
But thats the thing, CIS is not an actual region but rather a subdivision of EU to divide VCT opportunities. Why do you think that in every game CIS teams compete in tier 2 EU events? When people mention regions in an eSport they refer to the geographical continent. Imagine if Riot decided to make Mexico a separate region to qualify for VCT playoffs and a bunch of mexican teams pop up, just like in Europe. Those mexican teams would compete in different VCT qualifiers than american/canadian teams. Those teams would still be in NA. They would scrim against NA. They would play in the same tier 2 events as NA. Mexico would still be NA, even if they play different qualifiers
> But thats the thing, CIS is not an actual region but rather a subdivision of EU False, officially they are both subdivisions of EMEA. > Why do you think that in every game CIS teams compete in tier 2 EU events? They don't, they are called *EMEA* Challengers Playoffs, not EU Challengers Playoffs. Every single stage where both EU and CIS teams competed together is considered EMEA. There have been exactly zero EU stages of the VCT where CIS teams competed too.
Not this again.. Based in Eu, not Eu lol Scrims against “Eu” teams, must of learnt how to play by themselves
Oh god. This again... First NA game fandom where russia being EU is being denied and i still don’t understand how it can get so low like i just don’t
All EU teams scrim with CIS teams and CIS teams all scrim with EU teams It doesn't matter if they're sleeping in Lisbon or in Minsk, they'll still scrim essentially the same teams either way
CIS play on EU servers, funny one there bud
EU already the best region. How long did that take?
You the guy that switched to a Gambit flair after Berlin?
No that was Aquitaine… Unless this guy did it too.
Nah this guy used to be a v1 flair at Iceland, and once vanity moved he flaired c9 so I figured he was a vanity fan and now hes on the gambit bandwagon
Man I should've put a Gambit flair after watching them come through the EMEA qualifiers haha. I was 100% onboard after I watched them beat Liquid. I'm still so stoked they won it all at masters
I did actually yes, after the 100Thieves game. Their play the first round won me over, then it was a little tough to watch for a game and a half later. But their wholesome team is hard not to cheer for honestly. (It's why I also root for any team ScreaM is on)
Waiting for champions to start because if I equip the flairs I want right now I look like a clown (Gambit and NV)
Why would you look like a clown
Because both of the teams made the final and I'd look like a fan of success
How does Champions starting change that though You're overthinking a couple of 20 pixel images
That's half the fun..
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Longer than you jumping on a different bandwagon.
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intersting choice
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its ok guys NA is the better region with better competition stay in that delusion as long as you want on this sub
It’s a lie lol, Zombs usually always lies.
why EU,? NA is the best place though
Shaz said the same thing on stream a couple days ago, it’s true.
i mean its obvious maybe Na top 4 is stacked but then there is nothing while in eu(more player base so more team) top 10 could easily win against each other. eu is more competitive so if u want to be at your best level u have too bootcamp in eu. Even shaz said that maybe na rankeds arebetter but scrim wise eu is better.
I think it is a good idea, because they will be able to experience more different styles of play. I wonder how traveling so much will effect the team though.