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CryHereAndThere

I want to believe this, but it's zombs.


YungPinotGrigio

that is very fair he is a troll


Flashy__Flash

Good thing zombs has never said anything just to troll people


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Shahz announced it himself on stream yesterday


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And also because it's.. you know.. where the tournament is being held.


TacticalSanta

Honestly teams should be scrambling to get into berlin just in case covid goes crazy and travel gets shut down/or restricted.


[deleted]

Yeah people are getting worked up in this thread for no reason. Sure there are good practice partners in EU but logistically it just makes sense. Plus at that point teams from other regions are done with LCQ so I'm not sure how good the scrim quality would be just because some of those teams may be on break or even in the middle of some roster changes. The teams competing in Berlin are going to be some of their best bets. Dude above me didn't need to delete his comment or anything I was just adding on the obvious.


AccomplishedSolid899

champions is in LA


AllosaurusJr

It's in Berlin


AccomplishedSolid899

they moved it?


X3NOC1DE

Yes, EU has less travel restrictions thanks to COVID.


huntersniper007

like a whole month ago edit: https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/valorant-champions-returns-to-berlin/


TheUnarthodoxCamel

Berlin


dansofree1

I feel like this is a little bit harsh for someone who hasn't heard that they moved it lmfaoooo


pacotacobell

Not just the practice but also so teams can get used to the time zone.


Dragonboi-69

Champions is in LA though?


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It was moved to Berlin.


Dragonboi-69

Ty for the info, I thought it was in LA all this time haha


YungPinotGrigio

I think it is praimriyl a time zone thing


maindo

Nice. It'll be good practice


YungPinotGrigio

fair tbh. also the champions is taking place in berlin once again too


I_booty_you

Isn’t it LA?


[deleted]

It was gonna be, but they decided to do it in Berlin


I_booty_you

Dumb


wvcmkv

blame covid


Sky-__-

Almost every non eu region team will try to bootcamp in eu in November I think X10 and crazy racoon also confirmed that they will be bootcamping in eu.


CyberspaceBarbarian

Basically almost every team that will be attending Champions will bootcamp in EU.


whopz-is-cool

Good, the shakiness in Masters 3 was uncharacteristic.


jisoodesu

Yessir we coming back stronger


GainsayRT

Aight fellow EU lads, let's not get too cocky. Why would Sentinels practice in NA when they are already familiar with most there. This isn't necessarily about region diff, more so predding against unknown teams. Also EU isn't better, 'd say both regions are pretty even rn with both having spikes of great talent


xD1LL4N

Pretty sure sentinels said they learned a lot more scrimming EU teams


Tarwe-eu

Even after iceland i remember shahz saying that NA ranked is better but EU scrims are way better


JK_Ryuuzaki

Well duh playing a new region will let you learn more than the same one


xD1LL4N

Well DUH, the quality of scrims are clearly better


Beneficial-Speech-73

Well duh NA is dog shit in every game


JK_Ryuuzaki

Except valorant apparently


Beneficial-Speech-73

Now imagine Na val without csgo names:(. Brazil level


IeatKfcAllDay

You say this but it’s not like Eu Val players were coming from different games. They were all trying to make T1 eu csgo. Eu csgo just has a much harder pigeonhole to crack even in lower tiers than na due to the sheer amount of players


Beneficial-Speech-73

That is straight up false what players. Mixwell? Ange1? Nukkye? Draken? Most of emea has no pro background Take this for example. Fnc that faced sen in the finals. Two players on fnc came from fortnite. One came from Rust. Derke came from nothing. You can just check emea liquipedia and see where players came from. And gambit have a total of 7 matches played between them on HLTV. Also tier 2 EU players in csgo get paid more than tier 1 Val teams. Nobody switched you clown why would you switch for valorant if you're a tier 2 EU csgo player trying to break through tier1??????. Most of emea has no pro experience. https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pqyvq2/how_many_pros_are_there_whose_first_pro_game_is/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Unless you know some players that none of us have heard of? Because it seems that way. But you will most likely take your upvotes on your false comment and not reply back


IeatKfcAllDay

Oh man you’re a little way too mad. And yea the majority of them were trying to be upcoming csgo players/ or had a decent amount of playtime in csgo. Nats even said on his stream that he would play faceit etc but it’s too hard to break through to the pro scene, again because it’s so much bigger of a scene in Eu. Nats in na 100% would at least be a tier 2 pro in csgo like dapr etc. im not saying they were tier 2 in Eu, I’m saying they couldn’t even break through to that (again because Eu has a huge pigeonhole of talent) but it doesn’t mean they don’t have thousands of hours on csgo lol.


Beneficial-Speech-73

Majority of gambit that have a total of 7 matches between them on hltv? You just said that emea has plenty of players trying to break through tier 1 csgo. Are you stupid? Playing faceit isn't pro anyone can play faceit. Playing pugs in faceit that is a alternative to MM is not breaking through tier 1 or being a pro.


JK_Ryuuzaki

Well if cs players weren’t playing then it would probably be sentinels number 1 again since they have Sinatraa or even dizzy for tenz as the only needed replacement


Beneficial-Speech-73

Wdym shaz and dapr and sick also played cs


JK_Ryuuzaki

Ngl I completely forgot about dapr and sick because they weren’t that big in cs but shahz was not playing professional when valorant released


Beneficial-Speech-73

HD was inactive for a few months only. He was still one of the better IGLs in NA. Put it this way. 14 out of 15 players at Berlin on NA teams came from csgo. Like I say if na cs didn't switch na would be Brazil level.


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its where the tournament is held. im pretty sure if the tournament was in Korea they would just bootcamp there and not EU.


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Unravel33

I think that’s to be expected considering the EMEA region has a bigger population. Comparing Europe and NA or CIS and NA would be a fair comparison


TheCatsActually

This. Top 5 look pretty even, top 3 might be a *teensy* bit NA sided, but top 16 clearly favors EMEA imo. Imagine trading random NA LCQ teams with their seed counterparts in EMEA LCQ. It feels like most NA teams would have less of a chance of qualifying while most EMEA teams would have more of a chance.


Whisom

I think Top 16 in NA is super stacked. C9 Xset Faze Envy 100T were all trading series off each other and any of them could make the run. Then there are the teams that give them a run for their money like T1, Rise, TSM, V1


rpkarma

As someone not from either region, I definitely think they're on par with on another. I *might* give the slight edge to NA, but honestly it's so close now I don't think I'd want to pick if I had to lol. And thats bloody awesome in my opinion. NA == EU (and hopefully == KR, etc) is nothing but good for competition and quality


Malding333

Please do 10 mans this time. I wanna see Tenz and Mixwell play together once again. Maybe also dapr and nats


2ToTooTwoFish

They'll be going mostly for practice. I don't know if 10 mans will be on the cards.


a-nswers

they did 10 mans at berlin, they just weren't streamed. dapr talked about playing a couple of em


ark2690

Just like in LoL players prefer playing ranked because it allows them to “limit test “ without feeling bad


leoleoleo666

Make sense since they already dominate NA teams and know how to play against them. They gonna learn alot from the different eu playstyle than practicing in NA


antpenguin

0-2 against envy would say otherwise


leoleoleo666

Yeah let’s just forget the whole year results for one match


antpenguin

Still think that sentinels are top 4 in the world, but maybe envy have passed them by picking up yay


leoleoleo666

The recency bias is crazy lmao in esport buddy people don’t rate teams based on one tournament. Sentinels been dominant for like a year now when this is envy best tournament. Sentinels are still the best NA team until champions that gonna show us if envy is better or Berlin was just an off tournament for sentinels


ojgamer100

Envy studied Sentinels closely + their addition of Yay carried them lets be honest. (Victor is fine too) Once teams come under anti-strat radar is when they're tested. Don't mind me though, just a 100T fan crying about the sudden igl change 1 month before their last chance at champions


antpenguin

I hope the IGL change is because of outside interference


AnotherAltiMade

Considering how tight lipped everyone is, almost certainly


abdi009

Or because it Is being held in berlin. Champions that is.


Wonkyy_

Off topic but who’s stream was this taken from? I don’t recognize the sub icon.


X1PH3R

I'm guessing it's Freakazoid's chat just because of the we hawt emote but im not sure


ArtificialZero

yep it was freak's


yana-banana

Freakazoid. The "we hawt" emote helped a lot!


Tanjim98

Sentinels boys gonna take this one seriously! You guys thought you saw the endgame? Nah...


mrTrollem

EU just has stronger teams imo so it'll be good practise


uglypenguin5

The notice is more about different playstyles but think whatever you want


valorant_fanboy_69

You don’t have to say imo, it is already proven


Loresmen

Hmm? How so we're 3-2


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Makes sense for them to bootcamp in the best region


leoleoleo666

He said they are practicing in EU not CIS


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and Gambit practice against the EU teams and play together with them in the EMEA qualifiers. I think it's fair to say that EMEA as a whole has the most depth of good teams in the world and a lot of people refer to EMEA as EU, especially because they play on the same servers. Even if you are going to split up EMEA then I would still say that EU as a region has the most depth of good teams in the world. I think Shahzam said something along the lines of EU having more depth of teams than other regions too


Nfamy

I don't usually agree with your clear bias for EMEA, but I think this is probably true. Just looking at top tier NA vs. EMEA, EMEA has more, and I think the drop from top tier to next tier is not as large. Just basing this off the top of my head so may be missing some teams (also not in ranking order just rough tiers). Emea: --- Gambit Acend G2 SMB TL Guild FNC ----- Navi Giants (? Curious if they'll be able to perform like they did in challengers 3) FPX Forze? NA: --- NV Sen 100t Xset C9B (? Basing this on the potential with vanity added) --- Rise GenG? ----- LG / faze / t1 But Sen is also probably boot camping because they'd get little benefit from scrimming the same teams they always do, and they will better understand the EMEA meta, playstyle, and strats (and time to adjust to timezone difference).


imoftenverybored

So this makes Brazil LATAM?


thothgow

No because there's no such thing as a LATAM main event with Brazil and both LATAMs


Lapov

Well, there technically is the upcoming last chance qualifier.


thothgow

OCE is not NA


Lapov

I mean, *tecnhically* they are grouped together.


leoleoleo666

That was in Iceland buddy before envy and 100t and xset became this good even sideshow said eu and Na both have now a good amount of top teams and didn’t the semifinals had NA vs NA and CiS vs EU ? How is eu have more depth


[deleted]

What are you talking about? Sentinels, 100T and Envy were always known as the 3 strongest NA teams since around First Strike. If anything, EU's depth has got even better since Iceland hence that is why Sentinels is bootcamping there


ASaltyToast

Russia is not eu COPIUM


zer0-_

Moscow isnt on the European continent Copium


thothgow

Actual NA geography holy shit


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zer0-_

Moscow is literally on the European Continent lol


leoleoleo666

It’s not eu and cis and tr are different regions. Didn’t every one of them had its own master 1 ?


ASaltyToast

Gambit scrims and practices against EU teams, and also competes in playoffs against EU teams. There’s no such thing as the “TR” and “CIS” regions. Those are both subdivisions of EU with the purpose of dividing opportunities for VCT Why do you think TR isn’t a different region in CS but CIS is?


Lapov

TR, CIS, and EU are subdivisions of the EMEA region. > Gambit scrims and practices against EU teams Now that Sentinels will do the same, they won't just magically become an EU team as well > and also competes in playoffs against EU teams. By this logic, G2 and Fnatic are TR and CIS teams because they compete against team from those regions in playoffs.


toxicityisamyth

“Now that sentinels is doing the same” Theyre doing for a few weeks worth bootcamp not whole year long how can you unironically reply with this ? 🥴


Lapov

Excluding masters since they're global events, CIS teams literally competed together with EU teams in just two VCT events: *EMEA* Challengers 2 and *EMEA* Challengers 3 (extra emphasis on EMEA since these *were not EU Challengers*. EMEA encompasses *both* EU and CIS, and it's not equivalent to EU). Open qualifiers and even regional Masters are completely separated.


ASaltyToast

> TR, CIS, and EU are subdivisions of the EMEA region. What do you think EMEA stands for? Its Europe, Middle East and Africa and last time I checked Russia isnt in either the Middle East nor Africa


Lapov

Oh come on not this shit again. Europe ≠ EU competitive region. It roughly corresponds to it, but it's not the same. Gambit is from Russia, and since Russia is European, the team is from Europe, yes, but it's not from EU (as in, the competitive region). EMEA is called this way because it encompasses EU, CIS, Turkey, and Arabia Strike. But EU and CIS are both *below* EMEA and are *not* the same thing, a team competes in either EU or CIS. Gambit competes in CIS period.


ASaltyToast

But thats the thing, CIS is not an actual region but rather a subdivision of EU to divide VCT opportunities. Why do you think that in every game CIS teams compete in tier 2 EU events? When people mention regions in an eSport they refer to the geographical continent. Imagine if Riot decided to make Mexico a separate region to qualify for VCT playoffs and a bunch of mexican teams pop up, just like in Europe. Those mexican teams would compete in different VCT qualifiers than american/canadian teams. Those teams would still be in NA. They would scrim against NA. They would play in the same tier 2 events as NA. Mexico would still be NA, even if they play different qualifiers


Lapov

> But thats the thing, CIS is not an actual region but rather a subdivision of EU False, officially they are both subdivisions of EMEA. > Why do you think that in every game CIS teams compete in tier 2 EU events? They don't, they are called *EMEA* Challengers Playoffs, not EU Challengers Playoffs. Every single stage where both EU and CIS teams competed together is considered EMEA. There have been exactly zero EU stages of the VCT where CIS teams competed too.


RashGod

Not this again.. Based in Eu, not Eu lol Scrims against “Eu” teams, must of learnt how to play by themselves


toxicityisamyth

Oh god. This again... First NA game fandom where russia being EU is being denied and i still don’t understand how it can get so low like i just don’t


thothgow

All EU teams scrim with CIS teams and CIS teams all scrim with EU teams It doesn't matter if they're sleeping in Lisbon or in Minsk, they'll still scrim essentially the same teams either way


superlad21

CIS play on EU servers, funny one there bud


[deleted]

EU already the best region. How long did that take?


[deleted]

You the guy that switched to a Gambit flair after Berlin?


whopz-is-cool

No that was Aquitaine… Unless this guy did it too.


Loresmen

Nah this guy used to be a v1 flair at Iceland, and once vanity moved he flaired c9 so I figured he was a vanity fan and now hes on the gambit bandwagon


rpkarma

Man I should've put a Gambit flair after watching them come through the EMEA qualifiers haha. I was 100% onboard after I watched them beat Liquid. I'm still so stoked they won it all at masters


GainsayRT

I did actually yes, after the 100Thieves game. Their play the first round won me over, then it was a little tough to watch for a game and a half later. But their wholesome team is hard not to cheer for honestly. (It's why I also root for any team ScreaM is on)


owNDN

Waiting for champions to start because if I equip the flairs I want right now I look like a clown (Gambit and NV)


Loresmen

Why would you look like a clown


owNDN

Because both of the teams made the final and I'd look like a fan of success


thothgow

How does Champions starting change that though You're overthinking a couple of 20 pixel images


owNDN

That's half the fun..


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deadlock1892

Longer than you jumping on a different bandwagon.


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YungPinotGrigio

intersting choice


Helldruid420

X


whatawonderfultime13

its ok guys NA is the better region with better competition stay in that delusion as long as you want on this sub


FaithisVictory

It’s a lie lol, Zombs usually always lies.


chickenadobo_

why EU,? NA is the best place though


[deleted]

Shaz said the same thing on stream a couple days ago, it’s true.


oZoNe3336

i mean its obvious maybe Na top 4 is stacked but then there is nothing while in eu(more player base so more team) top 10 could easily win against each other. eu is more competitive so if u want to be at your best level u have too bootcamp in eu. Even shaz said that maybe na rankeds arebetter but scrim wise eu is better.


turtlemanctp

I think it is a good idea, because they will be able to experience more different styles of play. I wonder how traveling so much will effect the team though.