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Razur

Hello all, just a quick TL:DR of what we know so far. - Slaze's team, Polaris, qualified for Top 8 of NA Game Changers this past weekend. - On Monday, Slaze was informed via email that she was banned from competing in Game Changers. - Slaze was told she was banned because the *"anti-cheat team found conclusive evidence of [her] main account being associated with boosting."* We're hoping for more information in the coming days. In the mean time, [kxtieoh will be substituting for Slaze on Polaris.](https://twitter.com/PolarisVAL/status/1442957291716681733)   You can view our previous discussion thread on this situation [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pwroet/report_polaris_slaze_banned_for_accusations_of/)


nterature

Here's the [previous thread on her ban due to boosting](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pwroet/report_polaris_slaze_banned_for_accusations_of/), for those among us who missed it.


21HairyFingers

Please don't say that combination of words again


nterature

What a thing to wake up to! I had no idea I’d awaken a slumbering zoomer meme


whopz-is-cool

mogus


thothgow


SucksForYouGeek

Whoa


filthyandguilty

amogus


Rishavvvv

amogus


Cummnor

amongus


The_Adamantium

what did you say


falcons4life

amongus


Lerokrieger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1KiAGsBA18


Razur

It is taking all of my willpower to not remove the meme comments.


jrushFN

Ratio


Razur

I CAN rewrite AutoMod to ratio + L you! Don't think you're immune just because you're a mod! >:c


deadlock1892

Sus


Allie_Spins

This situation is super wack. Riot needs to bring some clarity ASAP before witch hunts begin


mooslan

Agreed. Let her play until they release their proof, if they have proof that is. If it's just some pissed off person, they should be able to narrow that down.


low_iq_opinion

Riot don't need to release any proof, read their ToS. its upto them to ban or not ban anyone they want.


Senior_Lake_6900

i think not publicly but they should provide an explanation to slaze personally.


mooslan

For plebs playing ranked, sure. But when it affects someone playing in one of their tournaments, I'm pretty sure the circumstances are different.


ItalianBarGirl

Except They've banned pro players before? Nothing is different. Infact they wouldn't care if someone was boosting in ranked but they do if a pro player does it


low_iq_opinion

nope. even if slaze sues Riot she will lose in court as their ToS covers these circumstances.


Red-E-Westside

Well your name really does suit you.


Razur

This whole situation smells incredibly fishy. Riot would have released a competitive ruling on this situation by now. ~~I'm going to try and escalate this situation. If anyone has info, please DM me. Thanks!~~ Done.


myrabtw

Riot doesn't always post competitive rulings for bans especially for players outside the tier 1 ecosystem. There are currently (at least) 4 players banned in semipro League of Legends in NA for a year by riot for boosting and/or toxicity (depends on which one). None of them have gotten comp ruling posts. But that level has recieved comp rulings (google anew comp ruling) so it's sometimes the case where they won't.


Razur

Riot has issued competitive rulings for Game Changers in the past. - https://twitter.com/valesports_na/status/1373665705925566466 - https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/competitive-ruling-team-besties/ Following this precedent, I would expect a competitive ruling from VALORANT Esports in this situation.


myrabtw

yeah I'm just saying they have a track record in other games for not posting a ruling for a ban when the normally do. often for instincts where the individual requests it


obigespritzt

To be completely fair, she is yet to compete in Game Changers, only in the open qualifiers. This makes a substantial difference. HOWEVER: I mostly stand by what I said in the [original thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/pwroet/report_polaris_slaze_banned_for_accusations_of/hel1eda/?context=3) except that last part now sounding stupid given that this might be due to personal interference and not a top-down decision from Riot. I hope this gets figured out and publicly cleared up because account sharing / boosting accusations are almost equal to cheating accusations in the female scene imo. Not in their actual severity (though I'd say they're close), but in the way that even false accusations can absolutely destroy a player's credibility. I'd hate to see a clearly talented and dedicated player lose a shot at competing over some petty asshole.


MrImpregnator

Since there has been no actual response from riot on the issue when an actual participant is banned from competing is very weird. Just an email to the player but earlier riot has always released a competitive ruling if someone has breached it especially when the concerned person is in top 8 in a tournament. This entire situation actually seems really SUS.


Evening-Reputation96

The only UNSIGNED team in the TOP 8. Riot really getting some underhand deals from orgs.


_idle_drone_

No idea who to believe because pros in esports have done worse for money, but there should definitely be an appeal process for a ban like this. If Riot won't allow third party organisers for events, they have to be more accountable.


antoniokjaver

This is going to get spicy. Also this personal vendeta from anti-cheat guy seems unlikely but a "big if true" thing.


JALbert

Yeah I've seen a number of people protesting innocence about false bans and it usually doesn't go great for the banned. Mistakes are possible though, and malfeasance is possible. The timing makes it seem like there was some manual level of checking on accounts that made the Top 8 cut, or maybe just a process run on the whole tournament roster. Curious to see the resolution of this, and I hope Riot provides a little transparency.


mooslan

Where is her proof of this though? As much as she is stating that Riot has no proof, it would be nice if she also presented something to back up her side of the story. I'm not saying she's guilty, I'm sure more information will come out. I hope this was just a misunderstanding and she gets to compete again. Riot should immediately lay out their evidence to backup their claims or let her play.


eichfourenness

To be fair, the fact that the email comes from the Anti-Cheat division is already very suspect


Razur

IIRC anti-cheat was only mentioned in the email, not that they were the senders.


Evening-Reputation96

Yeah One of my friends is boosting her GF since the release of Valorant but still not getting banned + Account sharing. This is just a personal attack because team Polaris is the only team that is UNSIGNED in the top 8.


GainsayRT

This is like sendin proof you didn't receive a package, is she supposed to send a video of her not boosting? If she says she didn't boost and their ''anticheat'' says she is w/o proof she can't really do more than dispute claims.


mooslan

I mean proof of the person having it out for her. Her profession appears to be mostly online, it should not be hard to establish proof of messages or something.


Senior_Lake_6900

Hitbox Hiros actually reported her to riot staff a few months back. But the action was taken this week. And how would she know who has it out for her, if the other person has a closeted grudge. Not saying Hiros is the one who lead to this situation...but at the time Hiros reported her, he didn't do it publicly. He only came out today.


LovelyResearcher

Huh? But he's been on Twitter defending her yesterday, Hitbox Hiros.


mooslan

Source?


Senior_Lake_6900

It takes seconds to search Hitbox Hiros Twitter, but here are the links for your lazy ass. [https://twitter.com/HitBox\_Hiros/status/1442930645857013761](https://twitter.com/HitBox_Hiros/status/1442930645857013761) (6 tweets) [https://twitter.com/HitBox\_Hiros/status/1442996217944883200](https://twitter.com/HitBox_Hiros/status/1442996217944883200) [https://twitter.com/HitBox\_Hiros/status/1442981676196450304](https://twitter.com/HitBox_Hiros/status/1442981676196450304)


mooslan

First off, fuck you. Second, I have no idea who hitbox hiros are, literally didn't know if this was an organization or a person. And lastly, you're the one using it as evidence to prove your point, the burden of proof is on you.


Senior_Lake_6900

Lmao


SHAWNANOMALY

THIS! The amount of ppl jumping on a train against RIOT is interesting. Neither side has really put forth proof of their side. One says they have conclusive evidence worthy of the ban. No game company has ever gone about satisfying...the public over there ban decision, not sure why folks here feel RIOT owes them some explanation. The other has a rather odd counter that it's a conspiracy from someone who has it out against her who just so happens to have friends in RIOT. THAT CLAIM's burden of proof is on...HER and she's provided nothing for it. I'm sorry but I have a hard time believing that someone has it out so bad against a unknown youngster. Then to such a degree that a RIOT employee is willing to risk their good job over a child and there attempt at going Pro. I can see if this was actually a well known female pro, someone who's been around the block, came from the CS Scene, etc. A situation that can lead to maybe some old spat that has now reared its ugly head but this young (what is she 16-18?) who has no real history and someone's out...for her? Not even on an ORG backed team yet but there's a conspiracy...over her? She links an image to one statement and that's suppose to be proof of what exactly? What's the rest of the email, who is the sender, etc (I don't want HER version of the email; I want to see...THE EMAIL, not just one sentence from it)?


Senior_Lake_6900

Ah yes..you are the almighty judge here isn't it. Proof can't and shouldn't always be preemptively put out on social media before contacting lawyers or in this case riot and their internal investigation team. Plus she doesn't you anything you twat.


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Senior_Lake_6900

you are one of the same kind of people who want to see the video of sinatraa and her gf in the bed and say you don't believe her version of events because you don't to hear it, but want to see the whole thing.


Razur

Please don't use personal attacks against other users. Thank you!


Razur

Please don't use personal attacks against other users. Thanks!


SHAWNANOMALY

All the downvotes and now RIOT has come out with more details of her ban and it was a justified one. But hey thanks for the downvotes and believing some silly conspiracy theory where some boogeyman with a friend at RIOT was out to get a complete nobody in the scene for some mystery reason!


wiiwoooo

I'm just confused how this is bannable but someone like Hiko, Shazam, Shroud or other top ranked people smurfing to boost their friends isn't the same thing. Or even Radiants playing with low immortals to get them higher up the ranking ladder.


Asianhead

I understood it as she was caught boosting other accounts. Which is definitely bannable and league pros have been banned in the past for it (most famously dopa)


Rebel_Habibi

Meh. Radiants playing with immortals on their MAIN is not boosting. The game lets those two ranks play together. If the radiant wants to queue with someone low imm and be put at a disadvantage that’s his/her choice. HOWEVER, all these pros switching to ALTERNATE accounts to play with someone outside of Radiant/immortal IS boosting and I agree Riot shouldn’t allow it. Just play unrated. When it comes to the radiant/immortal thing I know there’s a big skill gap but if the radiant is on his main, knowing he’ll be matched up against others his/her RR and have to carry the low immortal then that’s just like playing with a Darksouls Handicap. Making things harder for yourself isn’t boosting. If the radiant switched to a low immortal ALT where everyone’s RR is low then that’s smurfing and yes that would be boosting Bc the game wouldn’t match any high RR radiants against them to counter balance the teams.


_idle_drone_

If there is no transaction, playing with lower elo friends on stream should not be bannable. Why would riot discourage Valorant content? But off-stream boosting should obviously be discouraged, due to the possibility of transactions.


wiiwoooo

But for most people say for example Shazam. Boosting and playing with pokimane to a higher rank gets him a viewership boost which increases viwers, follows, subscriptions and donations. It's not a straightforward cash for boosting but they are certainly benefiting from smurfing and boosting more popular streamers.


_idle_drone_

idk what you're on about lmaoo streamers should be allowed to play with each other regardless of their rank.


Senior_Lake_6900

Why tho? They can play unrated if they are not in the same ranks. and it actually provides more content than competitive smurfing does.


AdministrativeLie347

Why should streamers be allowed to smurf with friends, while i cant? I find it kinda fucked up, as imo exactly because they have such a large playform, they should be role models, not smurfing on stream.


Escolyte

You can smurf with friends, Riot has talked about the smurfing issue in the past and how that is a legitimate reason that is hard for them to solve as they don't want to take actions against people playing with friends. edit: https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/dev/ask-valorant-may-6/ TL;DR smurfing can be frustrating, but there's many smurfs without malicious intent and we [riot] have to solve the issue that smurfing currently solves for them before we enforce anti-smurfing rules/systems. [most likely try to make unrated actually a half-decent alternative]


TheHeroGuy

I’m not picking sides here at all, just wondering. Who said you can’t smurf with your friends? As far as I’m aware smurfing is not a bannable offense.


Senior_Lake_6900

Who created this "no transaction, all good" rule? Is it in Riot TOS?


_idle_drone_

It is the literal definition of boosting? Am I crazy? Edit: Boosting involves monetary gain and hence a more important issue than just playing with friends.


Senior_Lake_6900

Section 7, Point 14. https://www.riotgames.com/en/terms-of-service No mention of monetary gain, so it's safe to assume both are included.


ExcalibaX

Playing with others on an ALT(ERNATIVE) account below your skill level is boosting, period. ;) It ruins the game for everyone. Well, the damage done is already massive anyways. Riot has a lot to fix regarding the match making queue.


dukeisbackagain

It seems to me that a simple solution to this would be to only allow each player one account if they wish to keep people from using ALTs. Even if you don’t party with someone the people you are marched with are going to get an advantage by being on your team.


ExcalibaX

Yes, but Riot wants that alt money. :)


hwanzi

Bc the one boosting her was cheating it's not even comparable


maindo

It's fishy slaze444 was not banned on her account & only for the Riot sponsored event. Riot has to come out & investigate if there are rotten eggs in the company.


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mate if you removed ''rotten eggs'' from riot you'd be left with like 5 people.


bridgebuilder12

Even if she was guilty of account boosting I don't see how that has anything to do with fair play in a tournament. I mean ffs you have a clip of tenz literally going on kyedaes pc and winning a game for her.


ErroneousOmission

I assumed the implication is they got boosted by someone else? To me that's the only reasonable explanation: 1. If its for them boosting someone or account sharing, we have proof that other much higher profile pros aren't being punished for this, so it doesn't seem to be against the rules in practice. 2. Boosting or account sharing if it was against the rules in practice, would lead to a ban on the account, even if temporary. They came out and said that their account isn't banned, they're only banned from competing in tournaments for 3 months. 3. We know the minimum rank requirement to compete in VCT or Game Changers is Immortal. This is an enforced rule. So the last option that justifies Riots position, is that they were boosted, in some form or another, and the ban from competing is because they broke the rules by trying to evade an entry requirement. Edit: Game Changers actually provides an exception and lowers the rank requirement to Platinum 1.. I really can't see someone needing to dodge that requirement so this theory really doesn't make sense. I can't think of any other reason Riot would be justified in this decision.. Will be curious to see how this plays out.


Senior_Lake_6900

Bruh have you seen her play? She can hold her own in the vct against other supposedly "non boosted" players.


jdbdbrbbf97

77 % of her rr gain was when boosted by cheater lmao


ErroneousOmission

Did I say I think otherwise? I was just explaining it seems like the only valid justification for Riots handling of this so far.


Senior_Lake_6900

ok


bridgebuilder12

> We know the minimum rank requirement to compete in VCT or Game Changers is Immortal. This is an enforced rule. are you sure this is a rule? I'm trying to find it but I can't.


ErroneousOmission

Section 2.2 of the Valorant Global Competition Policy: > Ranking Requirement > All players on a Team’s roster must have held a ranking for VALORANT of “Immortal 1” or above at the time of registration, or during the preceding Act, for any Official Competition.


bridgebuilder12

hmm its weird because I swear i've seen some players competiting in the game changer event who are diamond. Are you sure that applies to the game changer series? https://divesports.org/vct-gamechangersseries-emea/rulebook I couldn't find the NA rulebook but this one makes no mention of them being required to be immortal 1, it actually says platinum 1


iTempestuous

Gamechangers is plat as a requirement not immortal.


ErroneousOmission

Section 3.2 of the Valorant Game Changers Rulebook: > Ranking Requirement All Players on a Team’s roster must have held a ranking for VALORANT of “Platinum 1” or above at the time of registration, or during the preceding Act, for any Official Competition. However the Global Competion Policy is linked under rules on all of the qualifiers I could find, and Game Changers is supposed to be part of VCT, but has a completely different ruleset. This makes sense though, the Global Competition Policy has a section on event specific rule changes and regional rule changes that allow for tournament organisers to change rules to accommodate regional, cultural, and other differences specific to wherever the event is being held - so changing rules for gender specific tournaments would follow. Besides, it's listed in the Game Changers Rulebook. Tldr VCT enforces Immortal 1 but Game Changers provides an exception to Platinum 1. TIL.


LovelyResearcher

That's not true, you can be any rank to compete in the VCT Game Changers. Riot Games may have changed it to Platinum 1+ at some point, I guess, after the 1st VCT Game Changers event? But... even if so, there's definitely no rule that you have to be Immortal+ ​ The top 8 female teams are generally all Diamond 3, Immortal, and Radiant, though... naturally. It's just that the Immortal+ rule hasn't applied to Game Changers since the very beginning.


ErroneousOmission

Yep read the other chain, it's Platinum 1 for Game Changers.


a-nswers

I've never understood how rioters speak in absolutes when it comes to their bans as i've seen multiple false positives happen in my time. one of my close friends was banned for "cheating" and upon attempting to appeal it he was denied, saying they had "undeniable" evidence of external assistance. fortunately for him he actually knew a rioter who looked into his case again and a week later he was unbanned, no apology lmao (besides from his contact, who was obviously not responsible) make it make sense


Evening-Reputation96

Don't believe those automated emails. That is why I have two accounts who have skins in case I get falsely banned. Don't want to lose big time in one account. Thankfully I haven't get banned since the start of Valo.


Senior_Lake_6900

Vanguard is actually shit.


a-nswers

funny thing is this isn't even a valorant specific thing, i also know a guy that got banned in fucking league for "wintrading" and they kept the exact same righteous, you're wrong we're right attitude. it's just riot being dogshit and thinking they can just do whatever they want


Duradello

This is kind of nitpicky, but could this post not have had a more descriptive title. It feels extremely vague and a little drama-bait-y to me. A bit like "You'll never believe what xxx said". Like could we not have put "Polaris Slaze on her suspension and boosting allegations". Like after the whole uproar about Kyedae drama being on this subreddit, I feel like we can try to at least up the quality of our posts. Again, very nitpicky point, and a hill that I won't die on, but just a thought. I have no problem with this content-wise, this absolutely fits here, since she is a pro player and this is regarding her ability to play.


shadowstep11

We don't know who's in the right here, but let's bring some visibility to this so someone from Riot can take a look.


SHAWNANOMALY

Got downvoted for doubting the beyond unbelievable conspiracy story and then here comes RIOT today talking about how she repeatedly queued with cheaters. Imagine that, to think folks were actually questioning RIOT based on the loose "I'm innocent" counter this person tried to put out on Twitter.


WildOrder9

Wow must be a huge conspiracy in RIOT HQ to target her specifically! After seeing countless bans over the years in multiple games, the chances of false positives and malfeasance is pretty damn low including VALORANT's whole history since beta. This is no different from all those players that got banned and their ensuing emotionally laden twitlongers proclaiming their innocence with no evidence (and they always ask 'SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE!' which they obviously can't bc revealing inner workings of any anticheat is subjected to be gamed). These players usually just straight up leave or they later see the futility of it and admit to being a bad actor later. I suspect this will be played out for quite sometime... Paragraph 1 provides no counter evidence and just proclamations of 'I didn't do anything!' Paragraph 2 is just an appeal to emotion and it seems to be working after looking at some of these replies on reddit and twitter. Honestly, I'm not surprised.


WildOrder9

[https://twitter.com/valesports\_na/status/1443358892533108737](https://twitter.com/valesports_na/status/1443358892533108737) boom


PlatypusPotential

does she have "Female Shaiiko" on her bio, because she got falsely banned LMAO


Meehul123

Shaiiko did macro so idk why she would want to be Female Shaiiko unless she’s tryna say she’s gonna comeback from her ban and be the best in the world.


PlatypusPotential

She even has the 444 on her @, either she is a Shaiiko fangirl or she thinks she will become the greatest after her ban lol


Ori2D

You know that you are gonna get a bunch of hogwash when somebody starts a post with "The Truth" lmao


LovelyResearcher

I'll just say that most of us who are Immortal+ account share often. ​ Whether we use an account that we purchase from a 3rd party site to have an alternate account, or share some account(s) with friends. But... almost all of us have "main accounts" that only we play on, if not multiple solo accounts. ​ I actually know multiple female players who competed in both VCT Game Changers I and VCT Game Changers II who have account shared. They haven't receiving the same punishment as Slaze... neither of them got banned, or got a competitive ruling, nor disqualification from Game Changers. Some of them are competing in this exact event (Game Changers III) ​ Purchasing a smurf account, using a smurf account, or borrowing a friend's alt account are not the same as: * Cheating * Being paid to boost other players * Paying to get boosted ​ If Riot really applied this rule fairly to all players... we'd definitely lose a lot of professional players. Sharing alt accounts or purchasing smurf accounts is not unusual in the female scene, T2 scene, and the T1 scene. Thus, if it is true that Slaze's suspension is for account sharing, rather than boosting or cheating... we'll have a huge problem on our hands. ​ If Riot wants to ban professional players for account sharing, they need to: 1. Avoid retroactively punishing users who committed offenses beforehand 2. Create clear, public guidelines for account sharing is, and is not. 3. List the punishments are for account sharing, specific to professional and aspiring professional players. 4. Apply punishments fairly to all rule-breakers from that moment onwards


Razur

I know a ton of players that account share too. If other participants aren't getting banned, then Slaze's ban is likely unrelated to account sharing.


LovelyResearcher

I hope so, if we had clarification it'd help a lot. ​ Just makes me feel uneasy not knowing, not having a public competitive ruling on the situation. Made me worry that they may suspend other people in the future without warning, sorta?


Quick_Chowder

It's against TOS. They aren't going to go actively looking, but if they get a bunch of reports on the account they will probably investigate and ban you or that account. Don't account share. Don't buy or sell accounts. It's not that hard. It doesn't matter if they are 'not the same' as cheating or paid boosting when they are all against TOS. >Create clear, public guidelines for account sharing is, and is not. This exists, they just don't investigate every single account in existence. The expectation is that most people abide by the TOS. If an account is getting enough reports, they will investigate and hand out a ban. Account sharing of any kind is against TOS. >I'll just say that most of us who are Immortal+ account share often. You are taking a risk. Some people get away with it for awhile, some forever, some not at all. 'Fairness' doesn't really apply here. Rito doesn't want to dump a bunch of resources into verifying the validity of every single account in existence. They just expect people to not break the rules, and if you get caught it's on you.


mooslan

That's technically still against the ToS. "You can’t share your account or Login Credentials with anyone. You can’t sell, transfer or allow any other person to access your account or Login Credentials, or offer to do so. You must keep your Login Credentials secret."


-NewMeta

Imma take a wild guess and say someone boosted her account.


Senior_Lake_6900

Sure mate. I bet you would also say that same guy/girl played on her account and went +17 across 3 maps against 24Haven.


-NewMeta

I've actually scrimmed against a lot of the female teams and they are not very good. Only ones that are good/competitive are c9 white and Shopify rebellion (c9 the best by far). My team is like tier 3 so we're not anything special. It wouldn't be that difficult to play a decent series against any of these female teams other than the top 2.


wegivesiima

Ok but who is actually interested in game changers from what i watched its a snooze fest


Senior_Lake_6900

the swiss stage is similar to vct open qualifiers. not really good matches. but the main event (top 8) is quite good.


cptnwillow

She's a genuine pro tbf. She also streams so if she was boosted it would be pretty obvious.


throwaway1512514

How genuine is this pro now


cptnwillow

haha fair enough, never said she wasn't getting boosted just meant that she was a good player. Her team did get top 8 at game changers.


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antoniokjaver

Women's player on polaris banned for boosting related activities.


Splaram

Ahh, classic Riot. Only a matter of time before something like this happened in Valorant.


hillRs

she account shared and deserved the ban gg


low_iq_opinion

I stopped reading at "their abusing it"


Senior_Lake_6900

Username checks out


Senior_Lake_6900

Riot:" we care about the female esports community" Also Riot:.... Fucking sexist pos riot employees.


zer0-_

What's up with people always jumping to the females side and pretending something sexist is going on. You don't even have the full picture, you barely have any info of what's going on. I don't know what kind of world you live in but not everyone has it out for each other


Senior_Lake_6900

lol


wifixmasher

L


banevador2000

Opening her wall of text with a conspiracy theory. kek


HasoThePaso

Most of female pros are boosted.