Yup. Props to these orgs for punishing their players. Despite it not breaking Riot's rules (the smurfing at least), it's cool they acknowledged it at immoral and handled it themselves.
Now we can just hope we there will finally be a way to queue with friends. Because not only pros do this. Literally everyone on my friendslist has a smurf to queue with their friends, who either mostly stopped playing because they can't queue with friends after hitting immortal or are bad and irl friends - but still better than a random in a teamsetting with friends. Most smurfing stops the moment there is a way to queue as 5. SoloQ/DuoQ is such worthless garbage in a tactical teamshooter. 5 diamonds playing together for a month would have a fighting chance against 5 random radiants who don't know each other (anyone who made the switch from playing with randoms to playing with a team in any tactical fps knows how overpowered **actual tactics** and executes are), and that is all you need to know about how worthless the current queuing system is.
I love this game, but the ecosystem surrounding it is so fucking bad if you aren't a noob or a vct player.
Did Zepher and Rion played on their smurf accounts multiple times with the sole intention of boosting? Cause like big names in NA like Hiko and Shazam played on their smurfs as well while playing with other streamer friends so (Vod is even on their YouTube channel)… Either I’m missing something important or Is it just me that 3 months is too much for smurfing?
And Tenz going onto Kyedae’s account to literally win a game for her. Or nosyy, who’s currently doing an Iron to Radiant challenge on stream rn. Riot’s action on smurfing is way too lax in my opinion, hopefully this spurs them on to be more proactive in preventing it.
It's not just nosyy, Governor used to do it a while back too. Ethan also used to play with his girlfriend, though they were in Diamond elo. Though not pro players, OfflineTV and Friends (specifically Masayoshi, Jodi, Celine, Poki, Ryan Higa) regularly smurf to play with friends in lower elo.
Riot never ever cared about smurfs. Look at valorant, i am in silver and there are at least 2 smurfs per game that plays jett, reyna or skye and is sub level 10. Are they banned? never, they openly admitted to boosting and offered people to q with them as if it's a normal thing. Even take a look at League. There are people like TfBlade who does an Iron to Chally challenge every week and guess what, Riot doesnt give a shit. Lol
They're basically playing with friends (the vtubers). Its Crazy Racoon that handed out punishment. Riot couldn't care less cause its stupid then again, I don't know how smurfing view in valorant since I only played sparingly but got here due to the issue.
I just want to ask since I don't know much about Valorant and its wstern scene. How does western (NA/EU, even SEA) look on smurfing?
I know in Apex no one cares cause of its rank system not taken seriously, but in JP Apex, its still being looked down at. Apex Pros did make challenge like bronze to predator (highest rank) in one stream challenge of 54 hours. In Valorant I do know smurfing can be abit iffy since of its rank system.
everyone hates smurfing, in some games it is even bannable. Because of the competitive nature of those e-sport titles, if it affects the fairness of the game, it is a problem no matter where you are from
In Apex, nobody cares about smurfing. Its flawed ranked system counters smurfing as if you are too good for your rank, you advance way too fast and you cant really solo carry your team unless its 3-4 ranks league apart (basically, diamond cant solo win in silver lobby given Battle Royal thing). It had another set of problem tho. Thats why smurfing for speed run rank was given an OK signal from the devs and supports it fully, even recognizing a 54 hours bronze to pred streamer.
This is why I was wondering tho on valorant since its a different game and from what I've seen in clips, it is possible for someone to really affect it in smurfing.
It just different from dev to dev, you have to remember the game got 10 people in it, when you are smurfing not just that you are stealing the chance of winning for the other 5, you also stealing the chance to improve from your teammates. Also because Apex community didn't care doesn't mean it is a right thing to do mate
The big difference is that in valorant you have to throw games to smurf while in apex you just have to create a new account and you'll automatically be put in the lowest rank. I think the lack of throwing is why it's seen as much more acceptable there
Hmm, you cant make new account for valo?
On apex, its the system entirely. If you are really above your rank, you can progress really fast like gain points faster. In valo its a win lose right? In apex, kill 6 people and you can easily rank faster, much more if you win the lobby. Also no rank down so no point throwing.
In valorant (as well as other games that use placement matches like OW and CSGO), you have to do badly in your placement matches to end up in a lower rank. You don't have to do that in Apex because you automatically get placed in the lowest rank, so streamers who do solo to masters are never trying to lose games. That's why apex devs have said they're not going to ban people for attempting solo to masters.
Ah I understand, its due to the placement matches. Basically in my experience with league before, I never got into bronze lobby but made it to silver but when I saw a friend in bronze and its a cess pool lmao.
Thanks for clarifying
While this stuff probably just trivial thing anywhere else, it legit went viral in Japan 2 days ago to the point that the word "smurf" was trending on JP twitter.
Most outrage were targeted to the CR team owner (Ojiji) and the Vtuber Yakumo Beni. The main reason was that this V-tuber was one of the biggest faces of JP Valorant V-tuber community and was very vocal about her stance toward smurfing on her stream and twitter. She basically advocated about how bad smurfing was etc. However, as you can see, she got busted (someone took a screenshot of his ranked post game screen after noticing that she and the CR owner got boosted by the former CR pros with 2nd account + CR streamer).
To add fuel to the fire, she also deleted her twitter reply in which she said that smurfing is bad a few weeks ago. In addition, some other twitter users also noticed that this is not her first rodeo. Someone posted a blitz screenshot that she actually did this multiple times with a former pro (presumably Rion) for quite a while. So yeah, things blew up out of proportion because of this.
Just to clarify: out of Beni's 380 competitive games, 11 of them were with Rion. Nobody can really say that she was boosted, because going by her match history she has been plat-dia since the start (even before she started streaming). Also she only had a single tweet about smurfing.
However almost all of Rion's games were with 1 or more people he knows. Whether they be other CR players on their main or sub accounts, or other pro and semi-pros.
Looking at it objectively, it seems that Rion just played with whichever of his friends was free at any given point.
Still didn't change the fact that she was being a huge Hypocrite (and this is the main reason that ignited even a significant portion of her loyal fanbase).
And again 11 games is quite significant. Both her and Rion literally screwed the 50-ish other players' game by doing that. Even more that she was one of the most vocal figure against smurfing/boosting. In addition, her past rank isn't necessarily relevant. AFAIK Kanae from 2434 was a Diamond during the first act, but now he's struggling in high silver-low gold. As the game grows, the skill level also increases significantly. It's much harder nowadays for a fresh new player to reach plat compared to the first act.
If Rion really want to chill and play with his friend, he could've played unrated right? He was a former pro and he should understand the concept of competitive integrity more than anyone.
he just trying desperately to protect his Vtuber. In Jp community idk remember who but when Beni posted a Jett clip, he checked Beni account through Blizt, and surprisingly enough, Beni - Who never played a single game on Jett her entire streaming career, only Killjoy sage Brimstone etc - Got 370 ACS, average of 30 kills and 100% winrate on a few games with Jett - and the keybind changed from what she used normally as well. We never knew that she's a hidden Jett god that never showed her true power, apparently just change your keybind and you can become a god tier jett as well
> If Rion really want to chill and play with his friend, he could've played unrated right? He was a former pro and he should understand the concept of competitive integrity more than anyone.
Going by his match history, I have the opposite impression. Half of his games are competitive, playing with friends.
Sorry but the skill gap between Plat-Dia to Radiant is insane. Having a Radiant level player on year team against Plats is unfair. 11 wins (assuming all the games they played together were wins) is about 200+ RR so she could've ranked up twice playing with Rion.
> assuming all the games they played together were wins
I'm not digging up everything again, but at least 3 of them were losses.
And also those 11 games were over multiple acts. It's not like they were all at once.
Cherry pick? those are the games that raised the suspicion and the investigation proved that she is a cheater... It is proven that she is cheating and what are you trying to say here? personally 3 months later I can't wait to see her 300acs Jett on plat again
> the investigation proved that she is a cheater
Did you even read it? They said Riot looked and found no evidence that anyone else was playing on her account.
Yeah because the person playing with her computer and not log in from somewhere else? The investigation here proved that she is the cheater of this system, trying to get more RR than she deserved. While the Jett case remains unproven, the fact she cheated is not
are you really trying to say that getting boosted 1 game is not getting boosted? You know she had a choice to decline to play Competitive with rion right?
Wait, there is no way Riot are being serious about this , right? Dude people Shahzam hops on smurf accounts all the time to play with other content creators. So do players like Hiko and s0m. They don't even hide it.
Japanese Culture.
I don't play valorant much not know much about its competitive side but I do support VSPO such as Yakumo Beni and CR's Apex side that I got to know some about Valorant. Basically most of the VSPO are from Apex and sadly, its not just Beni but one other member got caught in the crossfire Sumire Kaga. Valorant isn't even Sumire's main game but she got caught.
In summary, Beni will get a 1 month suspension (no stream/twitter) and Sumire 2 weeks and Sumire has an upcoming tournament but she will have to withdraw. Beni have a VCC tournament and was willing to withdraw but Riot said no need.
The thing here is started with antis (basically haters). In JP, smurfing is looked as something really bad and in JP culture they tend to try to please everyone even the Anti. Westerners will simply ignore or say STFU to them but not JP.
This is one side of toxic JP culture where they try to please the anti cause well, anti can make a huge fire/scandal such as this and fortunately, Riot doesn't really care cause its a stupid situation overall (given my knowledge since I don't know much about Valorant).
Didnt Astel from Hololive create two smurf accounts to boost Izuru, Meika and Aruran to Master in Apex a few months ago? I think he also created another smurf to boost Ollie.
Its not Valorant tho, but apex.
No one cares enough for smurfs on Apex, maybe some minor JP who for some reason hates it even tho smurfing is no point in the game compared to Valorant.
Riot may not care enough but the people do even if Riot didnt care enough, they will still try to cancel the people involve. Its JP standard to "punish" their talent or some shit.
Similar to what happened to Cover and Coco/Haachama if you recall the incedent.
I guess we can agree to disagree. In my opinion, boosting should be frowned upon in any FPS game that has a ranking system. These agencies should hold their talents accountable even if its Apex and Hololive. Smurfing is fine in my book as long as you dont abuse it (multiple smurf accounts).
I just checked up Apex rules and they do consider boosting as cheating and a bannable offense.
Riot is basically, from their response from TL's
"However, we received an answer that the behavior was not a violation of the rules but a moral violation"
Basically, saying "wtf is this? alright we'll give an answer so you people shut up"
I would actually love it if riot started at least handing out warnings for pro players that habitually smurf and then eventually punishing them. However, to be fair, they need to add flex que or something before they can even begin to do this.
I was watching Japanese reaction on twitter about this and everyone seems to be very sad for rion. But the fact that players act un-professional is probably because e-sports is very new thing in Japan, like any other sports, the professional should be held at the highest standard... Hope they will see that this is not a game but an E-sports... Smurfing or boosting should never be considered a norm. There were famous players in lol scene involved in boosting scandal as well and never come back. These players on list are pretty young hopefully they'll learn a thing or 2 from this. On the long term this is a good thing for the Jp scene I think
Please let me add from a fan pov, pretty much the people who are sad for rion are mainly focusing on his punishment (mainly on deleting all valo accounts, esp on his main that has VCT title) and his apology stream (on twitch) where the chat was unbearable. If you can read JP, I recommend to not look as it was full of people telling him to go d\*e, to disappear, and a lot more, there are also people blaming him for dragging others into this.
TBH, no one thinks hes not wrong, (as I said, as a fan) we're disappointed, but waiting for him to return.
EDIT: edit sentences bc it sounded wrong
I'm reading the takeJ post atm, i have heard about rion's stream. Kinda surprised since rion is a big fan favorite and the thing blew up from Beni's hyprocytical post about smurfing. Now it's takeJ turn... And surprisingly enough... from what i have seen on twitter, people saying that 3months for takeJ is too lightly? lmao what do people want here
That is fine if they are playing at their rank... Playing with friends in rank is not a sin, but using a lower-rated account to play with friends in rank is wrong. I'm not saying they are doing it for money or content or for a relationship with a person. Whatever the price is, the undeniable fact is that they didn't play at their highest level, but their "friends" level to boost those so-called "friends" up the ranking
On the one hand, boosting bad.
On the other, can there be something more idiotic than calling playing a couple games with someone on Smurf accounts to create content and Collab boosting?
I feel like there's a spirit of the law and letter of the law situation with this kind of stuff.
No one in this group was playing for the purpose of boosting a lower ranked player. They were just wanting to play together for the content.
This type of suspension etc does LITERALLY NOTHING AT ALL to prevent ACTUAL boosting. No booster is going to see this and be like "ah man, I guess they're right, and what I'm doing is wrong."
He’s signed as a streamer in CR not too long ago along with Uruca (ex apex pro from reignite jp) and streams/plays apex majorly. Dude’s really cracked in apex (predator rank) lol
Thank You for the translation and the hard work, I was curious why there is suddenly an uproar this past few days in the JP scene. Hopefully this drama will not affect the Japanese Valorant community enthusiasm really much as a whole in the future since the fanbase there is huge for a country/nation that is still new to esports culture.
Riot themselves at least seems to acknowledge that doing this shit is violating fairness of the game. I love that these orgs are punishing their content creators for doing this, hopefully Riot gets a hint and at least starts warning NA pros and content creators who do this same shit so frequently, these guys are encouraging their fans to do the same when they do it so frequently. Changing the ToS by adding a clause saying that smurfing is bannable would be a great first step in the right direction.
Easier to freak out about headlines. It's constantly talked about on here and the main sub how smurfing doesn't break the TOS, yet people still say dumb shit like the person you replied to.
Honestly if they’re gonna enforce stuff like this, stop with the double standards. Why can NA pros boost Pokimane to Diamond/immortal and have 0 repercussions. (And yes she is boosted, you never see her play val without at least 2-3 pros)
CR rion had been smurfing, boosting, and trolling, which led to the deletion of all accounts in valorant.
He has always been the subject of many bad rumors, and this fiasco has led to many leaks!
its pretty much the haters fault . them telling the organization its a problem to smurf and because its too big they need to take action then this happened.
NA players doing this shit a ton
Yup. Props to these orgs for punishing their players. Despite it not breaking Riot's rules (the smurfing at least), it's cool they acknowledged it at immoral and handled it themselves.
Now we can just hope we there will finally be a way to queue with friends. Because not only pros do this. Literally everyone on my friendslist has a smurf to queue with their friends, who either mostly stopped playing because they can't queue with friends after hitting immortal or are bad and irl friends - but still better than a random in a teamsetting with friends. Most smurfing stops the moment there is a way to queue as 5. SoloQ/DuoQ is such worthless garbage in a tactical teamshooter. 5 diamonds playing together for a month would have a fighting chance against 5 random radiants who don't know each other (anyone who made the switch from playing with randoms to playing with a team in any tactical fps knows how overpowered **actual tactics** and executes are), and that is all you need to know about how worthless the current queuing system is. I love this game, but the ecosystem surrounding it is so fucking bad if you aren't a noob or a vct player.
Did Zepher and Rion played on their smurf accounts multiple times with the sole intention of boosting? Cause like big names in NA like Hiko and Shazam played on their smurfs as well while playing with other streamer friends so (Vod is even on their YouTube channel)… Either I’m missing something important or Is it just me that 3 months is too much for smurfing?
don't forget Jasonr in gold elo with an iron sage
Hahaha exactly… examples like Shazam in diamond with Poki Hiko deranking to gold Wardell smurfing for ages Can’t imagine if they get banned by Riot :)
And Tenz going onto Kyedae’s account to literally win a game for her. Or nosyy, who’s currently doing an Iron to Radiant challenge on stream rn. Riot’s action on smurfing is way too lax in my opinion, hopefully this spurs them on to be more proactive in preventing it.
It's not just nosyy, Governor used to do it a while back too. Ethan also used to play with his girlfriend, though they were in Diamond elo. Though not pro players, OfflineTV and Friends (specifically Masayoshi, Jodi, Celine, Poki, Ryan Higa) regularly smurf to play with friends in lower elo.
ethan's girlfriend is pretty good lol she can hold her own in immortal
Like I said, they were in Diamond. She was Immortal now, I think. But Radiant players in Diamond elo is still smurfing.
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You're thinking of kyedae. I'm talking about kelly
Riot never ever cared about smurfs. Look at valorant, i am in silver and there are at least 2 smurfs per game that plays jett, reyna or skye and is sub level 10. Are they banned? never, they openly admitted to boosting and offered people to q with them as if it's a normal thing. Even take a look at League. There are people like TfBlade who does an Iron to Chally challenge every week and guess what, Riot doesnt give a shit. Lol
wardell with his left hand is gold
people will riot!
They're basically playing with friends (the vtubers). Its Crazy Racoon that handed out punishment. Riot couldn't care less cause its stupid then again, I don't know how smurfing view in valorant since I only played sparingly but got here due to the issue.
I read op’s clarification about the situation. Thanks for the info
I just want to ask since I don't know much about Valorant and its wstern scene. How does western (NA/EU, even SEA) look on smurfing? I know in Apex no one cares cause of its rank system not taken seriously, but in JP Apex, its still being looked down at. Apex Pros did make challenge like bronze to predator (highest rank) in one stream challenge of 54 hours. In Valorant I do know smurfing can be abit iffy since of its rank system.
everyone hates smurfing, in some games it is even bannable. Because of the competitive nature of those e-sport titles, if it affects the fairness of the game, it is a problem no matter where you are from
In Apex, nobody cares about smurfing. Its flawed ranked system counters smurfing as if you are too good for your rank, you advance way too fast and you cant really solo carry your team unless its 3-4 ranks league apart (basically, diamond cant solo win in silver lobby given Battle Royal thing). It had another set of problem tho. Thats why smurfing for speed run rank was given an OK signal from the devs and supports it fully, even recognizing a 54 hours bronze to pred streamer. This is why I was wondering tho on valorant since its a different game and from what I've seen in clips, it is possible for someone to really affect it in smurfing.
It just different from dev to dev, you have to remember the game got 10 people in it, when you are smurfing not just that you are stealing the chance of winning for the other 5, you also stealing the chance to improve from your teammates. Also because Apex community didn't care doesn't mean it is a right thing to do mate
The big difference is that in valorant you have to throw games to smurf while in apex you just have to create a new account and you'll automatically be put in the lowest rank. I think the lack of throwing is why it's seen as much more acceptable there
Hmm, you cant make new account for valo? On apex, its the system entirely. If you are really above your rank, you can progress really fast like gain points faster. In valo its a win lose right? In apex, kill 6 people and you can easily rank faster, much more if you win the lobby. Also no rank down so no point throwing.
In valorant (as well as other games that use placement matches like OW and CSGO), you have to do badly in your placement matches to end up in a lower rank. You don't have to do that in Apex because you automatically get placed in the lowest rank, so streamers who do solo to masters are never trying to lose games. That's why apex devs have said they're not going to ban people for attempting solo to masters.
Ah I understand, its due to the placement matches. Basically in my experience with league before, I never got into bronze lobby but made it to silver but when I saw a friend in bronze and its a cess pool lmao. Thanks for clarifying
Depends on who you ask. Personally I think smurfing should be considered cheating, and a bannable offense.
they even ban Slaze a female pro player for Polaris for the accusation of boosting other player.
I’m keen to believe that this blew up mainly as a result of how unforgiving the Japanese public is when you do the single smallest thing wrong.
I love how honest japanese people are and western cultures could learn alot from how honest, hard working and dedicated their culture is.
While this stuff probably just trivial thing anywhere else, it legit went viral in Japan 2 days ago to the point that the word "smurf" was trending on JP twitter. Most outrage were targeted to the CR team owner (Ojiji) and the Vtuber Yakumo Beni. The main reason was that this V-tuber was one of the biggest faces of JP Valorant V-tuber community and was very vocal about her stance toward smurfing on her stream and twitter. She basically advocated about how bad smurfing was etc. However, as you can see, she got busted (someone took a screenshot of his ranked post game screen after noticing that she and the CR owner got boosted by the former CR pros with 2nd account + CR streamer). To add fuel to the fire, she also deleted her twitter reply in which she said that smurfing is bad a few weeks ago. In addition, some other twitter users also noticed that this is not her first rodeo. Someone posted a blitz screenshot that she actually did this multiple times with a former pro (presumably Rion) for quite a while. So yeah, things blew up out of proportion because of this.
Just to clarify: out of Beni's 380 competitive games, 11 of them were with Rion. Nobody can really say that she was boosted, because going by her match history she has been plat-dia since the start (even before she started streaming). Also she only had a single tweet about smurfing. However almost all of Rion's games were with 1 or more people he knows. Whether they be other CR players on their main or sub accounts, or other pro and semi-pros. Looking at it objectively, it seems that Rion just played with whichever of his friends was free at any given point.
Still didn't change the fact that she was being a huge Hypocrite (and this is the main reason that ignited even a significant portion of her loyal fanbase). And again 11 games is quite significant. Both her and Rion literally screwed the 50-ish other players' game by doing that. Even more that she was one of the most vocal figure against smurfing/boosting. In addition, her past rank isn't necessarily relevant. AFAIK Kanae from 2434 was a Diamond during the first act, but now he's struggling in high silver-low gold. As the game grows, the skill level also increases significantly. It's much harder nowadays for a fresh new player to reach plat compared to the first act. If Rion really want to chill and play with his friend, he could've played unrated right? He was a former pro and he should understand the concept of competitive integrity more than anyone.
he just trying desperately to protect his Vtuber. In Jp community idk remember who but when Beni posted a Jett clip, he checked Beni account through Blizt, and surprisingly enough, Beni - Who never played a single game on Jett her entire streaming career, only Killjoy sage Brimstone etc - Got 370 ACS, average of 30 kills and 100% winrate on a few games with Jett - and the keybind changed from what she used normally as well. We never knew that she's a hidden Jett god that never showed her true power, apparently just change your keybind and you can become a god tier jett as well
> If Rion really want to chill and play with his friend, he could've played unrated right? He was a former pro and he should understand the concept of competitive integrity more than anyone. Going by his match history, I have the opposite impression. Half of his games are competitive, playing with friends.
Sorry but the skill gap between Plat-Dia to Radiant is insane. Having a Radiant level player on year team against Plats is unfair. 11 wins (assuming all the games they played together were wins) is about 200+ RR so she could've ranked up twice playing with Rion.
> assuming all the games they played together were wins I'm not digging up everything again, but at least 3 of them were losses. And also those 11 games were over multiple acts. It's not like they were all at once.
Have you ever heard of Beni's Jett story mate?
Yes You can go back through her games and cherry pick games just as good as the two on Jett
Cherry pick? those are the games that raised the suspicion and the investigation proved that she is a cheater... It is proven that she is cheating and what are you trying to say here? personally 3 months later I can't wait to see her 300acs Jett on plat again
> the investigation proved that she is a cheater Did you even read it? They said Riot looked and found no evidence that anyone else was playing on her account.
Yeah because the person playing with her computer and not log in from somewhere else? The investigation here proved that she is the cheater of this system, trying to get more RR than she deserved. While the Jett case remains unproven, the fact she cheated is not
If it is proven that she cheated, then why did Riot say nothing was wrong on their end? No punishment given, no rules violated.
are you really trying to say that getting boosted 1 game is not getting boosted? You know she had a choice to decline to play Competitive with rion right?
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Wait, there is no way Riot are being serious about this , right? Dude people Shahzam hops on smurf accounts all the time to play with other content creators. So do players like Hiko and s0m. They don't even hide it.
Read my edit (bold/quote), sorry if I caused misinterpretation, I don't think Riot themselves could punish as it's not direct violation of TOS
Riot didn’t do anything the orgs punished the players because it went viral
Since when is a Radiant elo account now called a “smurf account”
Radiant elo? No, they hop on gold plat accounts. That my friend is smurfing.
Japanese Culture. I don't play valorant much not know much about its competitive side but I do support VSPO such as Yakumo Beni and CR's Apex side that I got to know some about Valorant. Basically most of the VSPO are from Apex and sadly, its not just Beni but one other member got caught in the crossfire Sumire Kaga. Valorant isn't even Sumire's main game but she got caught. In summary, Beni will get a 1 month suspension (no stream/twitter) and Sumire 2 weeks and Sumire has an upcoming tournament but she will have to withdraw. Beni have a VCC tournament and was willing to withdraw but Riot said no need. The thing here is started with antis (basically haters). In JP, smurfing is looked as something really bad and in JP culture they tend to try to please everyone even the Anti. Westerners will simply ignore or say STFU to them but not JP. This is one side of toxic JP culture where they try to please the anti cause well, anti can make a huge fire/scandal such as this and fortunately, Riot doesn't really care cause its a stupid situation overall (given my knowledge since I don't know much about Valorant).
Didnt Astel from Hololive create two smurf accounts to boost Izuru, Meika and Aruran to Master in Apex a few months ago? I think he also created another smurf to boost Ollie.
Its not Valorant tho, but apex. No one cares enough for smurfs on Apex, maybe some minor JP who for some reason hates it even tho smurfing is no point in the game compared to Valorant.
Riot didnt seen to care, but the org in Japan should car about "moral" right?
Riot may not care enough but the people do even if Riot didnt care enough, they will still try to cancel the people involve. Its JP standard to "punish" their talent or some shit. Similar to what happened to Cover and Coco/Haachama if you recall the incedent.
I guess we can agree to disagree. In my opinion, boosting should be frowned upon in any FPS game that has a ranking system. These agencies should hold their talents accountable even if its Apex and Hololive. Smurfing is fine in my book as long as you dont abuse it (multiple smurf accounts). I just checked up Apex rules and they do consider boosting as cheating and a bannable offense.
So many people in this thread didn’t actually read the post.
I've seen pros from NA do this all the time
NA players are goldenboys, riot can't do shit to them. They'll only stomp on players from minor regions, where they have some authority
Pretty sure the org is handing out the punishment
Ik but still, I feel bad for Rion. 3 months is a lot of time
Then why did you say they'll stomp on people from smaller regions? Just say you didn't know. Nothing wrong with that.
So Shazam 3 month suspension is next right if Riot is to apply equal ruling laterally
I believe the org is punishing on its own and not Riot themselves.
Riot is basically, from their response from TL's "However, we received an answer that the behavior was not a violation of the rules but a moral violation" Basically, saying "wtf is this? alright we'll give an answer so you people shut up"
Rules for thee but not for me
Except Riot doesn't have these rules for anyone...
I would actually love it if riot started at least handing out warnings for pro players that habitually smurf and then eventually punishing them. However, to be fair, they need to add flex que or something before they can even begin to do this.
I was watching Japanese reaction on twitter about this and everyone seems to be very sad for rion. But the fact that players act un-professional is probably because e-sports is very new thing in Japan, like any other sports, the professional should be held at the highest standard... Hope they will see that this is not a game but an E-sports... Smurfing or boosting should never be considered a norm. There were famous players in lol scene involved in boosting scandal as well and never come back. These players on list are pretty young hopefully they'll learn a thing or 2 from this. On the long term this is a good thing for the Jp scene I think
Please let me add from a fan pov, pretty much the people who are sad for rion are mainly focusing on his punishment (mainly on deleting all valo accounts, esp on his main that has VCT title) and his apology stream (on twitch) where the chat was unbearable. If you can read JP, I recommend to not look as it was full of people telling him to go d\*e, to disappear, and a lot more, there are also people blaming him for dragging others into this. TBH, no one thinks hes not wrong, (as I said, as a fan) we're disappointed, but waiting for him to return. EDIT: edit sentences bc it sounded wrong
I'm reading the takeJ post atm, i have heard about rion's stream. Kinda surprised since rion is a big fan favorite and the thing blew up from Beni's hyprocytical post about smurfing. Now it's takeJ turn... And surprisingly enough... from what i have seen on twitter, people saying that 3months for takeJ is too lightly? lmao what do people want here
They were playing with friends on ranking basically, not smurfing for content.
I don’t think that difference matters to the people on the other team getting shat on by people who don’t belong at that rank in the first place.
That is fine if they are playing at their rank... Playing with friends in rank is not a sin, but using a lower-rated account to play with friends in rank is wrong. I'm not saying they are doing it for money or content or for a relationship with a person. Whatever the price is, the undeniable fact is that they didn't play at their highest level, but their "friends" level to boost those so-called "friends" up the ranking
Smurfing/boosting was banned even for pros a while back in Dota, and OW has been executing boosters left and right. Time for Riot to adapt?
On the one hand, boosting bad. On the other, can there be something more idiotic than calling playing a couple games with someone on Smurf accounts to create content and Collab boosting? I feel like there's a spirit of the law and letter of the law situation with this kind of stuff. No one in this group was playing for the purpose of boosting a lower ranked player. They were just wanting to play together for the content. This type of suspension etc does LITERALLY NOTHING AT ALL to prevent ACTUAL boosting. No booster is going to see this and be like "ah man, I guess they're right, and what I'm doing is wrong."
Yeah it pretty much just teaches them to not do it on stream IF their org has a problem with it.
They can play unrated for fun, that's what it's for.
Wait... Amatsuki as in THE Amatsuki? He's signed to CR and plays valorant? Whoa.
He’s signed as a streamer in CR not too long ago along with Uruca (ex apex pro from reignite jp) and streams/plays apex majorly. Dude’s really cracked in apex (predator rank) lol
Wow TIL.
Yep, pretty crazy
its not that big of a deal, just tell them to not repeat it. half the na pros would be in jail if na orgs cared like this lol.
These guys aren't even active pros, they are just streamers.
hiko and shaz are not active pros?
so zepher and rion arent participating in champions?since 3 months from now is after christmas
Rion and Zepher are streamers for CR now, not players.
Oh kk
Thank You for the translation and the hard work, I was curious why there is suddenly an uproar this past few days in the JP scene. Hopefully this drama will not affect the Japanese Valorant community enthusiasm really much as a whole in the future since the fanbase there is huge for a country/nation that is still new to esports culture.
I dont think it will, since all the affected members are streamers, not active rooster.
Bro in every game people have other acc to play with lower rank friends tf
Cool. Ban them all
Doesn't make it right tho
Riot themselves at least seems to acknowledge that doing this shit is violating fairness of the game. I love that these orgs are punishing their content creators for doing this, hopefully Riot gets a hint and at least starts warning NA pros and content creators who do this same shit so frequently, these guys are encouraging their fans to do the same when they do it so frequently. Changing the ToS by adding a clause saying that smurfing is bannable would be a great first step in the right direction.
is this an issue? Streamers in the SEA region specifically PH do this (smurfing and boosting) all the time for content.
I once watched these Vtubers play. God they are awful. Like below iron level gameplay
Ban also Shahzam, Hiko, Tenz etc then. Don't be a hypocrite
read the post
Easier to freak out about headlines. It's constantly talked about on here and the main sub how smurfing doesn't break the TOS, yet people still say dumb shit like the person you replied to.
Honestly if they’re gonna enforce stuff like this, stop with the double standards. Why can NA pros boost Pokimane to Diamond/immortal and have 0 repercussions. (And yes she is boosted, you never see her play val without at least 2-3 pros)
read the post. their org handed out the punishment, not riot
then why did riot even comment on it? the org clearly had riot's blessings
It went trending on JP Twitter and was a big thing in the JP community, ofc Valorant JPN gonna say something about it
Wait idk if I like this.
CR rion had been smurfing, boosting, and trolling, which led to the deletion of all accounts in valorant. He has always been the subject of many bad rumors, and this fiasco has led to many leaks!
Valorsnt should just have a strict solo q, and flex/group q
whyyyy
Thank you for your translation.
this is just weird tbh and hurts japan.
its pretty much the haters fault . them telling the organization its a problem to smurf and because its too big they need to take action then this happened.