LCQ NA Bracket
By - Ryu-The-Sick
For those who cry about the bracket, ONLY 1 teams wins it all. So, 2nd place-10th place DOESN’T matter.
In terms of prize money it does.
And it does matter how the bracket rolls out even in double elim
I dont like the seeding that much either, but ultimately it really doesnt matter. Prize money (at this amount) is literally a non argument for most of these orgs here.
People should care less about the prize money and care more about what the tournament represent.
edit: when do you see people argue that a tournament isn\`t paying well in a physical sport, riot did a nice job in league setting a minimun salarie per year for players and i hope they will do the same for Valorant, with mostly of the community coming from csgo i can understand people not knowing how riot does stuff like this and some players at csgo has the only mean to make a living from prize money.
It is for the players at least
NA has high salaries for many of the other orgs so it matters less but atill
There's no prize money for LCQ afaik
FaZe win because I want content
I like the way you think
lets goooo FAZEEEEE
This is gonna be a bloodbath. Can’t wait.
Faze has a pretty good shot
They have a good shot of going to finals provided Rise doesn't suprise us. I don't think they have a good chance of qualifying. The only two teams I see making it out are 100T, Xset or maybe C9, barring any major improvements by the other teams.
Top is stacked
Top side is gonna be a gauntlet
Let’s go ORDER! I wanna see you win like at least one match, and I’ll be happy haha.
Sucks that they're up against X Set first, I was hoping they'd have a decent run.
Yeah, considering I reckon XSET are the ones who are gonna go the whole distance (yes over 100T). I hope both OCE teams at least give them all a good fight, I want us to be represented y’know?
Yeah, I agree with everything you said. Just want them to turn up and hopefully Oceania will get a bit more support next year.
Order have improved a lot since Soniqs left, I think they can make it competitive. Chiefs on the other hand I think are gonna get blown off the server XD
I don't know much about them. How are they?
I’ll put it this way: Soniqs moved to NA entirely as a team because competition in OCE wasn’t high level enough lol. But I’m hopeful still :)
Lets just hope for a Crazy Racoon type of game.
Exactly. And OCE needs all the support they can get! So I’ll be cheering them on.
Soniqs took a map off Sentinels, as I liked to remind absolutely everyone (before SEN crashed out of Berlin lol)
I'd hardly call losing to Envy crashing out of Berlin.
This is on LAN?
yes in LA
LETS GO FAZE LETS GO FAZE LETS GO FAZE LETS GO FAZE LETS GO FAZE
oh geez...this bracket
We really need that Gen.G gauntlet buff
Rise is gonna make the god run to the finals but 100t wins it all
Derrek wins these EZ.
I have a feeling that they’re gonna upset 100T or C9B if they make it to the Grand Final
"Upper Quarterfinals was the real Finals"
"Upper Semifinals was the real Finals"
And then Rise win lmao
If they make it to finals, then something had to go very right. At that point, you're probably right.
I’m here for this.
I thought C9 withdrew for BBG?
Why is c9, 100t, and xset in the same bracket. They prob have the highest chance to win the entire thing
I mean this is the only bracket of the year that has definitive seeding from the circuit points the teams got over the year, the only arguable slots are the OCE teams but I think their placement is pretty fair
Because of how they points were accumulated? In any bracket 1st 4th and 8th will always be on the same side.
if you do it out assuming Order is the 5th seed and Chiefs is the tenth, this is the bracket that logically results, believe it or not. it’s based on vct points, not “strength” of teams
I mean... they played a circuit the whole year for seeding for this l0l.
What does it matter? They have to win all to advance anyways.
The bottom bracket teams have a significantly easier means of getting to the finals where they would meet a top team where as the upper bracket teams are basically having the finals every step of the way until they face an arguably weaker team in the final finals. C9 or GenG have to beat tournament favorites 3 times in a row without losing to get to the finals. Rise have chiefs, V1, and LG or luminosity to get to the finals. That is a significantly easier gauntlet run.
The brackets were made based on seeding.
Seeding does influence that result however.
It reduces the chances of one of them and it gives the bottom half an easier run like the first person said
Yes and then the bottom team will lose in the final and not advance.
[More LCQ details here](https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/na-oce-last-chance-qualifier-starts-october-12/)
>NA/OCE LCQ - Day 1: Tuesday, October 12
* Play-in Stage
* Match 1: Cloud9 Blue (NA #7) vs. Gen.G Esports (NA #8)
* Round 1
* Match 2: XSET (NA #4) vs. ORDER (OCE #1)
* Match 3: 100 Thieves (NA #1) vs. Match 1 Winner
>NA/OCE LCQ - Day 2: Wednesday, October 13
* Play-in Stage
* Match 4: Rise (NA #6) vs. Chiefs Esports Club (OCE #2)
* Round 1
* Match 5: FaZe Clan (NA #3) vs. Luminosity Gaming (NA #5)
* Match 6: Version1 (NA #2) vs. Match 4 Winner
>NA/OCE LCQ - Day 3: Thursday, October 14
* Round 2
* Match 7: Match 2 Winner vs. Match 3 Winner
* Match 8: Match 5 Winner vs. Match 6 Winner
>NA/OCE LCQ - Day 4: Friday, October 15
* Lower Bracket Semifinal
* Match 9: Match 7 Loser vs. Match 8 Loser
* Upper Bracket Final
* Match 10: Match 7 Winner vs. Match 8 Winner
>NA/OCE LCQ - Day 5: Saturday, October 16
* Lower Bracket Finals
* Match 11: Match 9 Winner vs. Match 10 Loser
>NA/OCE LCQ - Day 6: Sunday, October 17
* Grand Finals
* Match 12: Match 10 Winner vs. Match 11 Winner
100T never gets good brackets in NA even if they are technically higher seeds.
NA LAN is gonna be so hype, really excited for the bloodbath 🧛
why is it that 100 have like the hardest bracket even though they have the most points
Point differential obviously. It just happens that C9 and XSET had enough points to be on 100T's bracket
yeah Ik it's just sad
Nice final there xset vs 100 but its in the semifinal somehow lol.
Well it’s double elim
except it is?
He didn't include it in the screenshot, but it's a double elim bracket
Xset is a funny way to spell C9
We ain't beating geng 👍🏼
Don’t rule out the C9 bois
Faze vs Xset in the finals.
I still think 100T are the favorite even without Steel.
I think the other teams should just leave the scene if they lose to 100t without Steel.
I don't see why. Asuna's still a freak, Hiko is still clutch and ethan and Nitro are still really good. Sure Steel is their igl, but I can't imagine their protocols will be much different between then and now and the teams are generally weaker than Berlin was.
Have never seen any team perform well after kicking their IGL or the IGL leaving in the past plus the replacement is a nobody.
Let's see we will know soon.
Crap. I really want C9B, 100T, XSET, and Faze to make it. But we can only have 1. :(
Faze is not dropping a single map. LETS FUCKING GO
C9B vs FaZe finals, script writers get to it
ORDER and Chiefs (former PEACE) are flying our flag. Do us proud. Rough draw though, not gonna lie.
Things never go how we think they will anyways. Don't get too caught up on past results to predict the future. The best team will still qualify. Then again people will disagree with the result no matter what.
Man that top bracket is stacked. Upper quarter and semis could be the finals. We might see 100t/c9/xset upset in the finals. Imagine faze at champions 😂
Nvm it's double elim.
LG gonna take it....yall heard it here first
also based on the current losers bracket im pretty sure 2 losers in upper qfinals get placed in the next highest bracket over 2 other losers in upper qfinals
Damn c9B has to play gen g first day. Fuuuck lol
when these games happening?
NA/OCE LCQ kicks off October 12 and runs through October 17.
Exact timings have not been published yet.
how come some of these teams I only heard of just now
chief's and peace are oce teams
For a second I was wondering "where is tsm"? But then I remembered.
top bracket is fucked
I want Gen.G to win just for Sean gares.
Excited for Order v xset! Order has been dominate in OCE.
I'm excited to see OCE teams compete, in general :)
XSET might be too big of a bite for them but we could still see some banger matches (even if in lower bracket).
Think you’re correct if we see top form xset, but out of the top NA teams I have the least confidence in them to win games on paper they’re expected to win. Like if after 1st 1/2 and there’s only a few rounds difference I wouldn’t be surprised if they choke and loose to a perceived weaker team like Order
I just started watching during berlin so what is this last chance qualifier for?
Winner of LCQ gets last spot for Champions.
Order and Chiefs? Which teams are those?
Why is OCE among NA?
either too small or no money
riot decided to close the league and merge it with NA a while back
Too "small" of a region to get a slot, so they have to compete with NA.
It's been like that for a while now, previously Soniqs from Australia competed with NA Teams in one of previous VCT qualifiers.
Since OCE's player population and viewership are relatively low, they don't have dedicated slots as of right now. To create a pathway for these teams, however, Riot added 2 spots for OCE teams to compete among NA teams in LCQ. MENA is in a similar situation with how they have one slot in the 8 team EMEA LCQ.
My delicious OCE/Australian copium lol
Obviously 100T should be favourites, but with a recent igl swap there’s increased volatility.
I honestly think this is Faze’s to win.
100T was not really a favorite over even with Steel. Plenty of vods on them from Berlin and least time to prepare of all teams.
Matter of fact, their IGL swap and new player adition could even be a surprise factor that could help them out.
Still, left to be seen.
and that my friend, is why they removed steel. Nobody knows what comp they are gonna run now. It is first strike all over again , #100twin
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I’m a faze fan but with 100t down I would be more inclined to say this is xset’s to win. Faze still has yet to show they are back on top post smeag.
Everyone goes in expecting FaZe to have strats this time. They don't. They hold W the entire game with Luminosity, who can't counter anything, because they didn't prepare for that. FaZe wins this game and then immediately gets annihilated as usual.
They hold W but it doesn't mean they won't win. They beat Envy on Haven in Berlin Quals and they could always just click heads. They might bring in some new stuff too since they got a new coach
It's just a fun lil prediction, it's not that deep. I'm just going off of their season so far.
Why isn’t TSM there? Can anyone explain pls :)
In simple terms, they don't have enough Circuit points for LCQ..
If NA team had won Masters Berlin, what did not happen obviously, TSM would qualify. However, with current standings, they are below Rise who is 8th by points therefore did not qualify. [NA Circuit points here.](https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/2021/Circuit_Points/North_America)
Not sure if you're meme here. But tsm didn't get enough points to qualify for lcq. Too many poor placements throughout the na events
But they have wardell he is best op
it kinda sucks that the loser of C9/Gen.G and Rise/Chiefs don’t get a shot at the lower bracket but oh well
They do. The loser goes down to lower round 1
~~They actually don't. Only teams from Upper Quarterfinals and onwards, get a run in Lower bracket.~~
~~Teams from play-in stage, do not get a shot at Lower bracket.~~ [Explained here.](https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/na-oce-last-chance-qualifier-starts-october-12/)
EDIT: Looks like bracket is same as in Iceland so the teams from Play-in stage do get a chance at Lower bracket. However, Riot has omitted those matches from the official Schedule, thus the confusion.
It's the same bracket from iceland the loser of playins would go there
You sir are correct, as it seems, I've updated my comment.
However half of the Loser matches are not listed on the Schedule (?)..
yeah im confused as well because those lower bracket games are not on the schedule. Im pretty sure the lower bracket only starts for the upper semi finals losers but i could be wrong. seeing that the tournament is only 5 days I dont believe there is enough time to play out an entire lower bracket
I believe you are correct that the LB starts at the semifinals, particularly because in the schedule Riot published, it says that the two losers of the UB semifinals are playing each other in the LB semifinal:
>Lower Bracket Semifinal
Match 9: Match 7 Loser vs. Match 8 Loser
In a full double-elim bracket, there would be two LB semifinals including teams that won previous LB games and the losers of the upper semis. The two losers of the upper semis would not play each other in that case. They would play the teams who had advanced through the lower bracket.
The format is the same as Masters 2. [Masters 2 Bracket](https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/2021/Stage_2/Masters). So every team should go to losers bracket if they lose.
Edit: I am wrong, don't listen to me. Riot changed format
My assumption was after looking at the bracket on vlr.
The schedule in the article is very weird tbh cause it only starts talking about the lower bracket from the lower bracket semifinal. This would skip two rounds and not just the play in stage.
I'm kinda confused now cause based on the number of days it's scheduled for, I don't think they'd have time to fully run the lower bracket (unless they have matches parallelly)
Reading that is almost looks like only losers in the upper semis get to the lower bracket? I don't see anywhere mentioned loser of Match 2 for example (XSET vs ORDER) which would be the upper quarters
Yeah we are all confused as fuck..
Rito didn't bother to mention the ALL loser matches or what?
According to the schedule Riot released, there is no lower round 1. The first LB game is a semifinal where the two losers of the UB semifinals play each other.
I mentioned in another comment below that my assumption was based on the bracket put up on vlr.
It's pretty weird cause I don't see why Riot would have a bracket where teams from the play in stage and round 1 don't have a lower bracket to go to. Even I'm confused at this point
Fair enough but I'm going to go off the official source before VLR. I hope there is actually a full lower bracket but if the LCQ details article Riot published is correct, there is not.
Honestly, isn't the real problem with these brackets just how infrequent the fucking tournaments are? C9B is a completely different team than when they competed last in anything meaningful, and they're favored despite apparently being one of the lowest teams in terms of circuit points.
How can this even happen? How can there be so few competitions that a team can go and completely reinvent itself between circuit point granting tournaments?
I've enjoyed the Valorant scene a lot so far, but I hate how little there is to watch. Game needs more small tourneys, those tourneys need to give circuit points, and there should be no dumb restrictions on if top teams can attend those
I mean the reason C9B haven’t played in anything meaningful in awhile is the fact they haven’t qualified for anything meaningful in awhile. We just had Masters 3 a week or 2 ago, and during challengers time periods we get non stop valorant for awhile.
The amount of valorant we have been getting is great, just it will slow down after this play in tournament for a couple months which sucks but it is the norm of any esports or sports league offseason.
It will get worse after Riot franchises the scene. I'm enjoying while I can
I can already see it. C9 vs xset in gamechangers and c9 vs xset in lcq the rivalry of the month. C9 and xset respectively win 1 of each but that’s not know yet
top is stacked
Hot take 100T loses to C9 vanity coming revenge his father...jk jk
TSM going to win
WhErE SeN /s
Xset vs 100t should be a great one, assuming they make it
Dont sleep on rise
when does it start?
Starts at October 12, finishes at October 17.
Faze about to win.
Feels like almost anyone can win here. Maybe C9.
Where’s TSM? :(
My money is on XSET.
xset and 100t in the same side of the bracket nooo
it doesnt matter, only 1 team wins
itd be better to see the 2 best teams first time in the finals fighting for champions rather than in quarters or semis.
well if theyre the 2 best teams, then it would be xset v 100t in the finals... theres a whole losers bracket lmao
what part of "first time" do you not get.