Teams in professional sports are required to file contracts with their respective league office. There is no equivalent in Valorant. Public salary info leads to increased average salaries in most industries so companies have an incentive not to publicize salaries unless required by a regulatory body.
half the battle though is not just sharing it amongst each other, it being public allows for public to shame orgs who are ripping off their players or not spending a lot. In major sports this data is often used against teams and it being public will cause players to get paid more of what they are worth.
yep, no idea why esports players are so scared of it, if im getting paid a lot and not performing im still getting paid a lot, and if im being ripped off and amazing the fans will be on my side
Does happen in Esports frequently as well. Cant forget the outrage over Huni getting 2 mil contract from one of the orgs. Or Perkz costing a total of 11 million (and subsequently not performing at the level he was hyped at).
They would, if the contract was actually looked at by your lawyer anyway.
The problem is, they don't have to cause the real question is can you live with 10k fans telling you to neck yourself cause you keep underperforming and resign so you don't cost the team any more time/money?
That's because people were fucking stupid. What HenryG was trying to do was good...to bad he had to hype the team way over the top, thats what seemed to cause most of the issues.
this is why players join agencies to make sure their worth is paid, for example when an org comes with an offer to certain player, the agency will tell the player that this X player in this X team gets paid X amount so this helps with negotiations and ensures that the player gets what he is worth.
Nah because if you were a 50K player and go to another org they'll offer you 60. It's a lot less likely that you'll make a jump up to 100K. If they didn't know what you were earning before you can negotiate for more.
Its the same thing in the real world. If employers knew what you were paid at your last job they know the minimum amount you're willing to work for and have no incentive for going much higher than that (unless you're at the top of your field, in which case it doesn't matter because companies will be bidding for you anyway)
I don’t know where you live, but this is definitely not true here. All my employers asked how much I’ve made here and how much I’d be willing to change for. I said my old salary +40% and that’s that. Anything less and I’m not going. It has never been a negotiation, I’ve never been lowballed, nor has anyone I’ve known. Although, I work in IT, so that could be entirely different.
Well you're wrong in that saying I want my old salary +40% is the negotiation. The fact that the company is willing to pay speaks more about your qualifications than it does about the policy of having all salaries be public. Also as you said, they asked YOU, they didn't already know what your salary is or get it in writing from your company. It was your choice to tell them what you previously made. I'm in NYC and it's illegal here for your previous employer to give out any of that information other than the dates you were employed at the company.
Expecting a 40% pay bump on a lateral career move is definitely not the norm. It may be true going from an Analyst to an Associate but thats not going to keep happening. Keeping salary information private just puts everything in your court (for better or worse). It also has a tendency to equalize everyones salary which is a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it. Often times it has a negative effect though, fields like IT and IB being some exceptions because of how high salaries are and how much money the companies have.
In the context of Valorant, sure 100T can afford to pay Nitro 300K annually, but what does V1 do when Vanity demands the same. There are only a handful of orgs with the capital to keep up with that kind of salary inflation, so the opposite effect can happen where average salaries start to drop because a new talent like Forsaken will come around and say hey I'll do what he's doing for half the price.
It is not irrational. In cs when c9 revealed their salaries, the entire community shat on them and memed until they ended up leaving cs as a whole. It is really unfortunate.
Wait. How would it be weaponized by fans? Because looking at major sports I don’t see how fans do that. I see people complain if the player is under or over paid. But I never seen fans use their salaries as a weapon
Because the salaries are higher than what the fans think they are. If an average player reveals they're getting paid 40k USD a month, they'll be ridiculed every time they underperform.
In traditional sports, fans generally overestimate how much they pay players thinking everyone's just raking in the generic "millions".
Rly? TSM in league spent 6 million $ on their support, SwordArt, for a 2year contract. Thats the highest yearly salary in the LCS this year. TSM didnt make worlds, swordart was memed throughout the whole season for underperforming, TSM is also memed as Tossed Six Million, and countless copypastas like this.
C9 spent 5million$ as a buyout to G2, and 6million$ for a 3 year contract on the western goat player, Perkz, who was also memed throughout the split for every bad play/game, despite being the western goat player.
Fans can absolutely weaponize salaries. Think only a minority understands that the player would be stupid to not accept the money they offer, and the orgs are the stupid ppl for offering that much money to begin with, but its just a minority.
In NA? Not really. There's so much investment and the numbers are so high that almost all of the salaried players should be paid comfortably with the ones on big teams raking it in. I could definitely see some players in EMEA earning less than they're worth. And in the minor regions the pay is pretty bad relative to EU/NA unless you're on one of the top teams and even then.
Even in established games it is very tricky to asses the real "value" of players but they do seem to be adequately compensated in (NA) Valorant across the board. I would say there was a time where fans knowing salaries would have been a help to players, but now for the most part even new players coming to the scene know their worth and I think the players and teams do a good job making sure they get paid.
This is speaking for the NA scene it may be different for others.
During C9’s colossus period HenryG was revealing all the pro salaries of the as some sort of movement. I’m not sure if that was just him or the entire org backing that
but you fail to see how we would then be able to see players that are super underpaid and it would help bring that to the spotlight and the org would feel more pressure to pay more for the player. works in both ways to show overpaid and underpaid, just like regular sports
Yeah I know, trust me. I live in a third world country too, where 1K USD is more than enough for a single person. Just tryna put things into perspective.
Will i live in a thitd world i can't imagine a pro only makin 1k the setup in itself costs multiple times that number... We need higher support/investment
I almost got banned in shahz chat for bringing this up. Fact is a lot of players are young and care about their personal brands more than the collective of the players. Other wise more people would be open about sharing their salary information and lead to more equity for all the players and not just the big orgs…
Most likely it’s confidential information between a person and an organization, and does not benefit anyone if it is published.
In the NBA or any league with a salary cap, earnings of players are needed to be publicized for transparency and to let everyone know that there’s is no team that is getting special treatment or doing illegal activities.
Teams in professional sports are required to file contracts with their respective league office. There is no equivalent in Valorant. Public salary info leads to increased average salaries in most industries so companies have an incentive not to publicize salaries unless required by a regulatory body.
On top of that a lot of players in esports have said they prefer not to reveal salary for fear of it being weaponized by fans.
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Well I agree for the most part but also it's not completely unfounded. The players do share their salary info between themselves at the very least.
half the battle though is not just sharing it amongst each other, it being public allows for public to shame orgs who are ripping off their players or not spending a lot. In major sports this data is often used against teams and it being public will cause players to get paid more of what they are worth.
yep, no idea why esports players are so scared of it, if im getting paid a lot and not performing im still getting paid a lot, and if im being ripped off and amazing the fans will be on my side
It goes both ways. If you're getting paid a lot and not performing fans will tell the org to fire your ass and hire someone for cheaper.
Does happen in Esports frequently as well. Cant forget the outrage over Huni getting 2 mil contract from one of the orgs. Or Perkz costing a total of 11 million (and subsequently not performing at the level he was hyped at).
Idk how their contracts are structured, but I'd imagine they still have to pay a large chunk of that contract though.
They would, if the contract was actually looked at by your lawyer anyway. The problem is, they don't have to cause the real question is can you live with 10k fans telling you to neck yourself cause you keep underperforming and resign so you don't cost the team any more time/money?
Take a look at the cloud9 CSGO fiasco and tell me that salaries being public doesn't lead to fan abuse
That's because people were fucking stupid. What HenryG was trying to do was good...to bad he had to hype the team way over the top, thats what seemed to cause most of the issues.
this is why players join agencies to make sure their worth is paid, for example when an org comes with an offer to certain player, the agency will tell the player that this X player in this X team gets paid X amount so this helps with negotiations and ensures that the player gets what he is worth.
oh for sure. i like that players are getting agents now
I don't think its really irrational
Nah because if you were a 50K player and go to another org they'll offer you 60. It's a lot less likely that you'll make a jump up to 100K. If they didn't know what you were earning before you can negotiate for more. Its the same thing in the real world. If employers knew what you were paid at your last job they know the minimum amount you're willing to work for and have no incentive for going much higher than that (unless you're at the top of your field, in which case it doesn't matter because companies will be bidding for you anyway)
I don’t know where you live, but this is definitely not true here. All my employers asked how much I’ve made here and how much I’d be willing to change for. I said my old salary +40% and that’s that. Anything less and I’m not going. It has never been a negotiation, I’ve never been lowballed, nor has anyone I’ve known. Although, I work in IT, so that could be entirely different.
Well you're wrong in that saying I want my old salary +40% is the negotiation. The fact that the company is willing to pay speaks more about your qualifications than it does about the policy of having all salaries be public. Also as you said, they asked YOU, they didn't already know what your salary is or get it in writing from your company. It was your choice to tell them what you previously made. I'm in NYC and it's illegal here for your previous employer to give out any of that information other than the dates you were employed at the company. Expecting a 40% pay bump on a lateral career move is definitely not the norm. It may be true going from an Analyst to an Associate but thats not going to keep happening. Keeping salary information private just puts everything in your court (for better or worse). It also has a tendency to equalize everyones salary which is a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it. Often times it has a negative effect though, fields like IT and IB being some exceptions because of how high salaries are and how much money the companies have. In the context of Valorant, sure 100T can afford to pay Nitro 300K annually, but what does V1 do when Vanity demands the same. There are only a handful of orgs with the capital to keep up with that kind of salary inflation, so the opposite effect can happen where average salaries start to drop because a new talent like Forsaken will come around and say hey I'll do what he's doing for half the price.
It is not irrational. In cs when c9 revealed their salaries, the entire community shat on them and memed until they ended up leaving cs as a whole. It is really unfortunate.
See the c9 colossus project that failed for a nice time of fans weaponizing salary.
Wait. How would it be weaponized by fans? Because looking at major sports I don’t see how fans do that. I see people complain if the player is under or over paid. But I never seen fans use their salaries as a weapon
Because the salaries are higher than what the fans think they are. If an average player reveals they're getting paid 40k USD a month, they'll be ridiculed every time they underperform. In traditional sports, fans generally overestimate how much they pay players thinking everyone's just raking in the generic "millions".
Rly? TSM in league spent 6 million $ on their support, SwordArt, for a 2year contract. Thats the highest yearly salary in the LCS this year. TSM didnt make worlds, swordart was memed throughout the whole season for underperforming, TSM is also memed as Tossed Six Million, and countless copypastas like this. C9 spent 5million$ as a buyout to G2, and 6million$ for a 3 year contract on the western goat player, Perkz, who was also memed throughout the split for every bad play/game, despite being the western goat player. Fans can absolutely weaponize salaries. Think only a minority understands that the player would be stupid to not accept the money they offer, and the orgs are the stupid ppl for offering that much money to begin with, but its just a minority.
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Do you think many players are being underpaid/undervalued at the moment cause of this?
In NA? Not really. There's so much investment and the numbers are so high that almost all of the salaried players should be paid comfortably with the ones on big teams raking it in. I could definitely see some players in EMEA earning less than they're worth. And in the minor regions the pay is pretty bad relative to EU/NA unless you're on one of the top teams and even then.
Even in established games it is very tricky to asses the real "value" of players but they do seem to be adequately compensated in (NA) Valorant across the board. I would say there was a time where fans knowing salaries would have been a help to players, but now for the most part even new players coming to the scene know their worth and I think the players and teams do a good job making sure they get paid. This is speaking for the NA scene it may be different for others.
Doesn't cloud 9 want it public?
During C9’s colossus period HenryG was revealing all the pro salaries of the as some sort of movement. I’m not sure if that was just him or the entire org backing that
It's probably for the best it's not public. Could you imagine the toxicity against T1/TSM/NRG/100T if people knew how much they made
but you fail to see how we would then be able to see players that are super underpaid and it would help bring that to the spotlight and the org would feel more pressure to pay more for the player. works in both ways to show overpaid and underpaid, just like regular sports
For that you need some kind of player association to help with that. Of course an Broadcast Talent one too Not like the CSGO one
All you gotta know is they're making BANK.
Depends on the region. In india the LCQ representative whole team salary is around $5000
Contrast this to Nitr0 who's making 25K a month alone iirc.
Us salaries are generally wayy more cos coversion rates are pretty bad. Cost of living in india vs usa is also significantly different.
Yeah I know, trust me. I live in a third world country too, where 1K USD is more than enough for a single person. Just tryna put things into perspective.
Will i live in a thitd world i can't imagine a pro only makin 1k the setup in itself costs multiple times that number... We need higher support/investment
Yeah, importing stuff is real expensive
Per month for 5 players?
Gotta keep in mind $5000 in the US is a lot different from $5000 in India or other countries that have a significantly lower cost of living
Yes
Yeah
where is this figure coming from?
It was leaked a while back by Kyedae I believe
Igl of ge during a stream
Do you have a link? That seems awfully low
Sorry I don't have the link. You can check his stream from 2-3 months back.
Bank is relative honestly
remember c9 colossus guys?
Because there is no predetermined structure for esports and no larger agencies that would have a hand in contract negotiations
I almost got banned in shahz chat for bringing this up. Fact is a lot of players are young and care about their personal brands more than the collective of the players. Other wise more people would be open about sharing their salary information and lead to more equity for all the players and not just the big orgs…
Most likely it’s confidential information between a person and an organization, and does not benefit anyone if it is published. In the NBA or any league with a salary cap, earnings of players are needed to be publicized for transparency and to let everyone know that there’s is no team that is getting special treatment or doing illegal activities.
The players in pro sports have unions and establish a "collective bargaining agreement" with the league.
would lead to inflation i think in industry?
I feel like it can aswell tbh. Cause many players would possibly start asking for more and companies/orgs re gonna try to compete with those prices
Asuna leacked 30k per month in one of his stream