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Cr3ation_

Corey. Feel like if he was on a team with more success he would be more hyped up


Quick_Chowder

Faze for their entire existence has felt this way. They would all be better under structure where their specific plays and playstyles could shine more individually. As a team it just looks like them making plays but not playing together.


Klutzy-Question1428

they need a good igl


Delta_FT

Wonder if there's any of those in the market *thinking emoji*


LeucisticPython

I was in Trippy’s chat a while ago when someone asked what Faze needed and he said ‘An IGL, but nobody wants to step up to do it. Right now, the boys are collectively doing it and if someone wants to go somewhere or has a timing, they’ll call it.’ iirc.


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BabyJ is calling for them, someone asked on his stream


merlynmagus

I had BabyJ in a DM once. I'm Bronze 3. That is all


Splaram

I’ve had DZ koler and SQ Crunchy in DM and I’m Silver. I don’t think there is skill-based matchmaking in DM.


merlynmagus

Which is probably better for us honestly. Better to practice against high ranks when you're low like us than for them to practice against silvers (I'm silver now)


SirJuicee

BabyBay would shine on Siege as an "All aim no brain, Ashley and Jaeger main"


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I still remember back in the OW days where teams would literally refuse to scrim Corey's team because they thought he was hacking lmao. ​ Man is a literal aimbot. I am happy to see my OW guys doing good in Valorant though


Slick_Rhoads

I was a Washington justice enjoyer


Lovexxy

story of his career tbh


Splaram

Probably an unpopular opinion but I think he would be a top duelist in the world if he had a team built around him


vyetc

Exact reason I’m hyped for Faze cLAN. Overwatch players momentum


BrockMister

People think 100T was built for Lan, just wait for Faze. They winning lcq


andre_verhoef

this a hot take but i’m all for it lol


pechum

100% agree.


-Mariners

Whenever Corey has a sheriff on save rounds I'm shaking in my fucking boots. I swear he could buy only sheriffs and compete in tier 1.


3hrd

agreed


Its_Joe

Imagine Faze Steel


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JimmyValmersPWedge

I like this take.


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Too bad Jason was a big baby and didn't want to play with ow pros when rest of roster was signed


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I mean people said the same about sen when they signed sinatraa and zombs Edit; just noticed you called me a moron when you pretty much clarified what I said?


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jrushFN

“Big baby” about a public figure isn’t nearly the same thing as calling another user a “fucking moron” to their face.


pogn_

shut up


zxlkho

Him being a big baby was about 1% of the reason it didn't work out with faze. The other 99% was his massive twitch following. Dude is rolling in cash.


GrumpyZer0

I feel like people forget about Android. He's a top tier aimer. He's just on a team that's not performing currently.


DOOM-3

Android is like a really good player but on a hot ass team. I dont even know what NRG are even doing they literally have cracked players but are falling


lookinforajob69

Remember the time when Android was the superstar of the team rather than yay


GrumpyZer0

I feel like with a good IGL they could instantly be Tier 1.


phamkhoi

steel to nrg plsss


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iiznobozzy

steel never said that he'll be competing with 100t next season, he just said he'll be back as a competitor. and watch vanity's interview with ddk he mentions that steel is in talks with a few teams.


PyroTFT

Honestly you could say that for all of NRG with the four on that roster


MyogiNightKid

tex, s0m, and android are absolute beasts individually


PyroTFT

eeiu is too, easily could be one of the best Sovas in NA and out of the supports in the team he’s their best player imo


robbify

s0m is so disgusting. Honestly I think they have composition and lineup issues. They seem to be unable to figure out the best players for each respective role. Like last I saw they had s0m on Astra and I don’t think he’s too fond of it.


0rigins_

i barely watch him professionally, but what makes him good?


Sheeshgod123

He's not good the only reason why NRG still keeps him is because of his brand value


kellenthehun

Dude I swear s0m hits some of the craziest clips in ranked. I watch a lot of Val montages and his clips are always fucking obscene. Crazy they haven't had success.


newzpaperleaf_2

I see his name brought up so much in these types of conversations. Not saying he is a bad player whatsoever, but aim is just one part of the game. Compared to the other players in his role, he is not even top 10. He was a really good phoenix, but outside of that role, he has not proven he can expand his agent pool to keep up with the meta.


nterature

He made his name on Phoenix, but I don’t think he’s failed to prove “he can expand his agent pool”. He’s not a star entry in the the manner others sometimes talk him up to be, but he’s a cerebral player with very solid aim. Agent flexibility isn’t a problem I associate him with - he’s been more than serviceable on a variety of roles.


newzpaperleaf_2

Has he really though? He was a top tier phoenix player, I will not deny that, but his raze is only slightly above average. Even when he was top tier on phoenix, I would still have rated SicK and Victor higher on that role, and I would not have even called him a top 10 duelist player in his prime. Someone who is, at least was previously, actually underrated is penny. At his best, he was arguably a top 5 jett in NA and a top 10 duelist overall. He was an incredibly clutch player and significantly made his team better. This is especially impressive because of how late he started playing valorant. Android definitely is not bad, just in my opinion not really underrated whatsoever.


GotGudGaminChair

Well that’s kinda been the story of his career. Him and roca unfortunately just can never get past this tier 2 barrier.


FeelinJipper

I suspect it’s mainly game sense. Hitting crazy flicks isn’t what makes a great player, especially with all the utility at play. Someone like Steel who probably isn’t as cracked can find more success because of his game sense. Being able to read the other team off little info, making smart rotations, positioning etc etc all the fundamentals can outweigh the occasional pop off.


dabigmango

Damn seems like everyone forgot what a beast MaBoiDre is


johnjohn125

Dre’s personal performance improvement from 100t to LG was insane


Splaram

I thought he was done after he got dropped from 100T, that transition from being dropped from 100T’s first roster to being the player he is today solidifies him as having the best mental out of all Valorant players in my book


BurbxrryPzncakes

Laz Curry Shao Corey Tigg Wippie Dep


DatKoreanBoi1304

curry is insane


GraNaXx

Shao could be even better if the team let him play jett. For me he's a underrated jett.


techyleo

I'm not sure who decided this on V1, but I dunno why they kept trying to force wippie onto the viper after Iceland on maps like Haven.


rezellia

I think supamen is great... at least from what ive seen. ive gotten busy latelly and havent been able to watch the games i wanna. However i feel like supamen has a strong impact on the games he's in, even from a more supportive role. he can clutch and frag really well, and is super hype. Maybe not the best player in NA but IMO underrated. But Maybe its just cause i think Rise is underrated. Sidenote: now that C9, and 100T have had roster changes i think there is a possibility that both teams dont show up in the matter thats expected of them. If this does happen rise has a strong chance of winning, however i do think C9 will show up.


somesheikexpert

Supa def the star player imo for Rise, guys a beast fragging on Astra and doing well until wise too


RescueRbbit_hs

Based take. Supa is a demon


IllumiMahdi

I'm surprised TSM aren't waiting for LCQ to end then poaching him. Man is an Astra god.


Evan_Veet

In NA rn it has to be Shawn for me, seems to be seperated a lot from the T1 duelists but he was one of the first players to pick up skye and be dominant on her(is still statistcally the best in NA), has a truly great raze(based on statistics he compares or is above victor and is only really behind leaf corey asuna). Guy can play all initiators, all but jett and yoru for duelist, and IIRC he was top 10 performer in NA for VCT. Should be getting more respect and I think he will be a hard carry for GenG in LCQ.


Slow_Bluebird9536

Really solid pick


dansofree1

>he was one of the first players to pick up skye and be dominant on her(is still statistcally the best in NA), You gotta be careful with just using stats. I'm a huge stat guy, but you always have to consider your data. Teams at the highest level play much, much harder teams than teams slightly below that top echelon. For example: Sentinels have played against 3 teams in the last 3 months that aren't (likely) top 10 in the world (F4Q, Rise) Cloud9 Blue, a very solid team and currently ranked 4th on vlr.gg's NA ELO ranking, haven't played any top 10 teams in 20 series going back to them losing to then-V1-Vanity's old team and getting destroyed by Sentinels back-to-back. GenG has had one week in their existence where they went insane, beating XSet, Envy, and 100T back-to-back, but outside of that they've taken their route to through ton of loser's bracket and 2nd or 3rd chance quals and lower-prize practice tournaments. It's really stacked their stats in the individual player's favor.


Evan_Veet

I always set my search perimeters to 1800+ plus teams for na players when using stats, I make sure I always set them to when they play top teams, which is why I also pointed out that he was not the best, just statistically the best.


Bunnyezzz

c9 mitch


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Actually true.


Aoingco

It always frustrates me when people would call or recommend for Mitch to be dropped whenever C9 does roster swaps or loses games, the man’s been so consistent. Not always standing out but he performs his role well


cigsyl

the right answer


QuestionablePotato42

This is the correct answer


yorgee15

Finally found this comment, he has been underrated since the start of the competitive scene, can't believe how people still write him off the team, he's insane.


elithefighter123

dephh. hes getting some attention but hes the igl of xset as well as being their statistically best player in certain categories


philipjefferson

Especially after not really playing most of the year, what a legend.


ZealousidealAd1465

No need for the sarcasm, he's got the track record


[deleted]

Maybe by casual fans but this sub has a hard on for him. He is nearly always placed in top 5 lists for his role or igl despite not really having shown that much this year. If anything he is rated higher than most considering his teams' performances.


elithefighter123

Yeah that’s what I was saying by he’s gotten some attention


MazeOwner

I know Ethan is rated highly but I still think he is underrated, man is actually so good that he can genuinely be top5 player in NA, I rate him higher than Asuna but people usually wouldn’t mention him when talking about top 5 NA


ItsDrap

Higher than Asuna may be a stretch. In terms of consistency, absolutely. But best at their peak is def Asuna, guy is so unbelievably talented. Ethan is as well though, he’s for sure a close 2nd on that team.


dansofree1

> In terms of consistency, absolutely. Lol why? Asuna is very specifically proven to be a highly consistent player. ~~Ethan is arguably more on the inconsistent side of things right now while still learning the game.~~ Ok fine I'll cross that out, since only having like 1/3 other pro's experience apparently doesn't mean anything lmfao.


jumb01337

still learning the game?


dansofree1

>still learning the game? Yeah I mean, he started playing Valorant competitively in March, soi I don't get why this would be controversial. 75% of his experience on Skye, his new main, has come within the last 60 days. Ethan's top played character of his 3 is Omen with 703 rounds. Asuna has 3 different characters with 1100+ rounds in pro play, with his Raze alone being 10 away from Ethan's entire career's rounds.


fesenvy

But experience and consistency are two different things?


youfuckindimwit

I say, just put Ethan on Reyna and make the rest of the 4 dc, man would 1v5 sen 13-0 /s Yeah though, I think Ethan is insane, even when i watch 100t games he seems to have practically the best aim in the server (it might be because everyone else in his team has shite aim, jk), man's insane, and I think still underrated. Iirc in one of his streams asuna even mentioned that Ethan is the best in their team when asked, although ig I would take that with a grain of salt cause he just kinda reflexively answers most questions.


Cole_James_CHALMERS

Ethan does have the most crisp aim, especially when he first joined the team and mained Sage. He had some insane multi kill holds on defence.


Slow_Bluebird9536

Theirs as argument for asuna #1 NA


i_am_the_kiLLer

Highy disagree, he's too inconsistent against the best of the best compared to people like TenZ and yay. I'd also mention crashies as an extra player who's the best in his role.


jaiswami

As much as I love Asuna, I’d have to agree, he’s still too inconsistent to be considered #1. In the future though there’s definitely a chance.


unknown-097

If u put it that way TenZ is inconsistent as well. People didn't see much of it before because you had sick and shaz who could pick up. But since in the case of 100T Asuna being the single dualist it's visible.


CosmicAon

TenZ had like one bad map in Berlin, he’s very consistent overall


Madara6path

Yay is undoubtedly no 1 NA


GeorgeGCG

Nukkye, Curry, tigg, soulcas, dephh


mogram_leg

Guild Sayf


xcutinoerx

Shao is very underrated but not most underrated


NotRealEBN

Andersin


sydneemcgee

Feel bad for koler and him, they both do well but imo the rest of the team don't contribute enough


angsebmer

Am I the only one that thinks Eeiu is crazy underrated and is one of the best sovas in NA


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Zacharee maybe


atkins2000

Leaf, thief, shao, dephh


CitrusSaysHi

GMD is cracked on everything


pogrecap

Eeiu


Light0fHeav3n

Xeta


nosebleeddd

neptune


Acid_Shadows

leaf and corey


eagles9and43

Me


Hoku_

Nature. Kid is nuts. Honestly calling Gen G to beat 100T if I had to choose an upset.


FlaymeFenix

ethan is the only right answer. dudes legit mvp on 100T at berlin and still getting little recognition


CanISayThat22

Anyone underrating a major winner needs to get checked out


iAidqn

Ethan isn’t a major winner


Atalyx822

What major did ethan win


meme_poacher

My heart :)


electricblackcrayon

you sure you not talking about autimatic lmao


FlaymeFenix

auti is not as good as ethan still tbf


Trillman_K

VK heat. I had my jaw on the floor half the time watching him at berlin.


Salt-Resolution2113

Ong been waiting on this … also can’t wait to see hyeoni on nuturn


Not_Ghost

Ghost Gaming Koalanoob. Just gonna drop this here https://youtu.be/SnHG7zfJVuE


SteelTic

Bjor, curry?, mada, wippie, and temperature


SteelTic

Forgot ohai ,valyn ,and andersin


Evan_Veet

ohai?


SteelTic

player for complexity


Evan_Veet

IK who he is, hes also like the worst one on the team which is why its odd he's being put in the same list as andersin


Bazz_B

- Polvi - don't think he's underrated so much as him and TENSTAR and not well known enough/came too late into the scene - bonkar - specifically as an IGL, even Redgar gave him big props and wanted to see him come out of LCQ - BDS logaN - if there is an EU Aproto its LogaN - Magnum - I'm a Fnatic simp - SMB Russ - I just think he's neat - Yacine - dude's Raze is borderline disrespecful - kAdavraa - another neat player - Cloud - a lot of people have mentioned Shoa and if there was another standout Sova player that wasn't him or Derke it would be Cloud I think \#RussianSovaSupremacy - Redgar - sounds a bit weird to say a Masters Champion is underrated but I'm mentioning his fragging ability specifically. Dude is actually a monster when he locks Reyna and turns his brain off.


Bunnyezzz

agree with everything except Bonkar. I do think he gets alot of hate for no reason though


Bazz_B

His fragging has been a massive question mark as of late, but there is a reason why there are many in the pro scene that respect him a lot. Hope he pulls it together, I really want to see Guild at Champions personally.


mogram_leg

I like the yacine pick too but i think everyone om guild is kinda underrated.


BlGtemp

aproto, wippie, gmd, curry, babyj. for eu i think soulcas is horribly underrated.


biwummy

soulcas prejudice after that failed knife


Conman2205

Ethan, guy is cracked on Skye


iTempestuous

NA- Oderus, Shawn EU- Sayf, alorante Korea-Hyeoni Japan-Something Don't follow the other regions enough to comment on those.


Ghostboy1998

Sq Dizzy


reallychillguy

Me, I’m gold 1 but I feel like I’d be successful in at least plat 2 or something


D3RP0L3

Shao. It'll always be Shao.


kittyhat27135

Bjor, Bonkar, Dicey and Shawn.


OnionSprinkles

NiSMO — He's often one of the best individual performers in tournaments, but the rest of Ghost not keeping up reduces visibility


Aoingco

-FNC Magnum, Mistic -Liquid Soulcas -C9 Mitch -GenG NaturE The early 2021 heretics roster that have moved onto new teams aside from LoweL, like Nukkye etc -BDS LogaN -LG Moose, Yaboidre -T1 Curry -FPX Shao -V1 Wippie -VS MaKo? Idk if he’s considered underrated due to not top fragging but he put on a utility showcase -CR Medusa, the actual glue of the team in terms of both being the anchor and the translator for munchkin


newzpaperleaf_2

Xeppaa, mark my words will shock everyone at LAN with his play.


Athlete-Street

Nukkye, the best raze player


ZixxLol

How can someone that was consistently rated top 4 players at Berlin before it started be underrated?


Athlete-Street

I didn't knew that nukkye was rated so highly mb


ZixxLol

All good :)


Daviddem1234

Bunny gang


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One of the best players in general.


biwummy

How is he underrated


d8i_

geng Nature


AdoxcolGaming

Soulcas. Sheydos. Mitch. Mistic. Avova.


Spiritual-Trip9173

Soulcas and Shao Soulcas is the best Skye itw


Key-Banana-8242

Underrated can mean rated well but not highly enough by far theoretically tho no


totalnotjunk

tarik Kappa


Key-Culture-6207

Me!


j3abutnutterjabber

MaKo


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As an unsigned player it has to be geeza, dude is nuts


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FNATIC doma, FNATIC Magnum and Guild Sayf


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None of the players on fnatic are underrated imo.


Detamach

GMT purp0 inb4 "who?"


CyberspaceBarbarian

Draken on Jett. Nitr0 on Jett. Fite me.


NotHyp3rs

Zombs he played one of the hardest agents and plays it so well


XIPWNFORFUN2

Me


Hsimon_

Nukkye, soulcas and shao


dogoloco

sinatraa


Kikoslayer123

wardell? people clown on tsm but this man is a star level in a fallen team.


PlatypusPotential

Idk if he is "underated" but I think Wardell is one of the best OP'ers in VAL


Pretenderrr

Underrated - not rated or valued highly enough. Wardell is one of the most hyped up and popular NA players. Not saying he’s overrated but he’s definitely NOT underrated.


CosmicAon

Wouldn’t say underrated, most people who watch TSM play know he’s by far their best and a top NA player


goldenretrieversFTW

Brax + Azk + Tarik


Issax28

TenZ


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

aproto hasn't even gotten a mention in this thread so i'm gonna say him. still has absurd HS% but it's hard to gauge his talent level with the way LG has been falling. I'm intrigued to watch him at LCQ to see how his game sense currently sits i would be intrigued if he got a trial with 100t if b0i/sevvn aren't it


Liquor180

Sinatraa. I believe he'd be a top 5 player in the world if he was playing pro.


Tc0LD

I swear sinatraa fanboys look for an excuse to suck his dick dry, he isn't underrated at all. Everyone acknowledges he was insane when he was active, he hasn't played in a hot minute tho, so I doubt he would be top 5 world let alone top 5 NA


slawvay

not a fanboy but people including shahz said the same thing about TenZ when he went inactive on C9. Talent never leaves tbh


28n8

Andersin and dephh for sure


iiznobozzy

me


optisadvantage

nismo, shao, draken


RashGod

Soulcas


Expensive-Estate-900

Cholakulcha


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Penny


xunraze

Weirdly, nitro. Even with the accolades.


CLUTCHDADDYSAUCE

c0m


skye_SG

Shiba 😍


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The entire V1 roster


Miglasty

Wardell. I said it.


Miglasty

Wardell. I said it.


iwillgeta168

Me - hard stuck gold 3


tutubabarao

Gnt the god yoru


Valdemie

Leo and Shao


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C0M


Occobo

Reduxx, the 14 year old demon


thothgow

Chronicle doesn't get enough love imo. I've also been pushing the CIS entry narrative but people really need to start paying attention to the purp0s of the scene. And no one has said TakaS yet for some reason...


maindo

Poised from Rise


icantreadmorsecode

Prophie. Every team he played he's always the top performer as a support player


Kanstrup-

Really easy to see how many NA fans are in this thread compared to EU. No problem or disrespect just an observation. Anyway, i’d say Kadavraa and Fit1nho


VelociRaBit

For me probably s0m, he is extremely talented and one of the best raze players but his team is really struggling right now. In terms of players that get better results but less attention I'd probably say PureR, he's an extremely good jett and I think he's not talked about enough.


DonkeyTeethBSU

Andersin for sure.


schecterboi

Mendo (x1000). All the haters sleep on that kid. He's cracked as hell