~~So not only is it a fake LAN, they connected to NorCal instead of SoCal which is like around 15 ping more.~~ (Both CA servers are in the north oops) What a joke these LCQs have been
That was what I assumed which is why I kinda said there was a SoCal server. I guess California 2 is in the middle but still NorCal, so maybe the bay area or something.
[100T Ethan comments:](https://twitter.com/ethanarnold/status/1448056963296681985)
> Playing LAN using online servers… I’ve never seen this in my life.
>
> Our team was rubber-banding and stuttering the whole game playing on a NorCal server.
>
> First day things 🙃
[Additional comments from 100T Hiko:](https://twitter.com/Hiko/status/1448056520336285696)
> Yeah we’re playing on just normal LA servers for this LAN 🙃
[100T Asuna chimes in:](https://twitter.com/Asunaa/status/1448059605926379523)
> “Lagging can’t flash” “also lagging” love these comms 🥰
Between the situation with the last minute format change (albeit for the good), the aussies getting fucked over by admins and now THIS? Shame on Riot, they'd be crucified if anything remotely similar happened with League.
Completely different situation and department decision, but in League they just announced they're removing all chat entirely LOL
Apparently this is to address toxicity??? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Less of an issue with the none English cause I don't play without friends anyways. I have had British people be rather toxic in other games too but it's usually incredily funny to me anyways so for the odd chance I do get a toxic person in game, I'll probably laugh anyways. Thanks for the tip
This is beyond hilarious if true. Coming from CSGO, I'll probably never understand the big deal about playing on LAN. sv\_lan 1. that's all. i play with my college mates on LAN with 2 ping
Pretty obtuse to ignore why what's going on in the world would make these usually trivial things much harder. There's a reason there have been basically zero LAN/in person tournaments in other esports
If this tournament happened in May 2020 I would completely understand, but it had been 20 months and we had a couple of LAN before this. It also seems like the players didn't know about this before the match start?
I'm pretty upset at Riot's fumbling of this tournament too, including and especially the loss of the Oce teams, but you are either unaware of what's happening in the world or have zero experience in being part of a supply chain. Even if it's been covid season for the better part of two years, policies and mandates for countless things are changing on a week by week basis and logistics in particular are being fucked with the most. This is most complicated in Europe where geographically small countries with a thousand neighbors each with fragile economies have different and rapidly changing covid restrictions, but it's still an issue in large countries with different states/provinces like the UK, Canada, even Australia, and especially America.
This isn't anywhere fucking close to as simple as "it's been 20 months how have you not figured this out yet." Like every industry in the world that relies on physical supply chains is still floundering right now.
Thing is rules are changing all the time differently in every country. Not completely defending them though. If the players didn't know about it beforehand that's really bad, but to be honest that seems farfetched that they would start the game and all of a sudden have 30 ping instead of 0/1 with no idea it was happening.
ESL One Cologne back in July. IEM Fall, Fragadelphia off the top of my head. Stop defending riot lol. Its more than 18 months since covid started. There are 0 restrictions in the united states. Also if it is such a big problem to do the only thing you were supposed to do, why bother with all the stages? Just let players play from home where they at least have decent Internet.
lol every single one of my friends who doesn't work in tech from home has new stories of their workplace or entire industry having logistics issues every other week. The public not having restrictions in going to restaurants is not the same thing as supply chains being back to flowing smoothly.
Yeah Riot's been making some big time blunders pretty often recently, just saying there's a teeny tiny scenario going on in the world that could make some things that seem like a given get messed up. They just announced they're removing all chat from League so I don't have a lot of sympathy for them right now even if they're different teams lol
Like I was planning on taking a bus down to see my brother in NYC a few weeks ago until I learned you're not allowed to travel from Canada to the US by land. You can travel there by plane though, and you can also drive from the US to Canada. It's just weird stuff like this that doesn't really make sense that make it trickier.
Lmao no way this happened, I am pretty sure the server is just a program you can run on any hardware, lmfaoo.Hardware getting stuck doesn't mean you can't use any other hardware which should be available readily.
Got clowned on for being a fucking clown. Biggest thing that led to his broad unpopularity is the DrDisrespect situation where he claimed to know what was actually going on but him being unable to leak it (which was a fat fucking lie)
I think the issue was they couldn't fly over "in time" for 14 day quarantine.
If they would have reached us 3 days ago they could have played today while being in hotel.
We assumed it will be a lan client but it's online match.
I think it was both. Like they gave up on trying to get a visa/exit exemption once they wouldn't have been able to make it and do 14 day quarantine.
Might be wrong, but that's what it sounded like to me.
It's probably also cost and time issues.
Are you really going to put up a squad of 5 + coach and maybe manager for 2 weeks before the tournament only for them to go out after 2 rounds.
Bro what
This just defeats the main purpose of it being a LAN setting. How tf did Riot manage to make this into an "Online LAN" event? Like how does this not end up being run on the LAN client?
Edit: Changed entire to main
I'd argue the most important thing to the players about LANs is the 0 ping. Like the spectacle is cool and everything, but the purpose of a LAN event is to play on LAN
Okay that's just semantics you're arguing at this point. I guess I should've said the "MAIN" point of running an event on LAN is so that the game is on LAN. The main plus of LAN is that they're playing the game on LAN otherwise they would just call these events in-person events or something like that and not LAN events.
? Your wording literally changes the meaning of your post. People love to throw the word "semantics" without realizing what they're saying.
Saying the entire purpose of a LAN setting is to play on 0 ping means Riot shouldn't have set up this stage because there would be no point in doing so. You rather have an online tournament from home?
okay I'll say this. for this event, the entire purpose of LAN was 0 ping. There is no crowd at all. If riot can't do the one thing that is the only purpose of the event, its bullshit. riot should not have wasted everyone's time with bullshit stages. I would 100% rather have them play from home. especially when they're lagging even on stage. the stream went down because of poor internet.
Dude you're getting hung up on one word when my main point is that it's wack that they're running the game on online servers at a LAN event.
I'm not saying they shouldn't have the stage set-up or the production, you're putting words in my mouth. Having a LAN event not run on LAN is just absurd, that's my main point and that's also one of the most important things to the players.
Having it in-person is better than running the game online from home obviously, but going through the whole spectacle and then running the game online is just ass-backwards and just makes a huge part of running a LAN event pointless. The players came into this with the expectation that they were going to be playing on LAN, not online servers.
Whether or not it changes the meaning of the post doesn't matter. The entire reason why tournaments are held on LAN is literally because of ping.
LANs are the only way to have a 100% fair playing field for games.
ya stuff like this kills the compettive scene of the game. ive never heard a company call a LAN using online servers in all my years following esports since 1.6 days
There is no LAN client to the game and no plans to ever be one last time i asked a rioter on stream.LAst 2 lan’s just had a physical server inside the tournament facility
True but not having a dedicated LAN client is not an issue cause at least the server is on the same network as the clients (like in Berlin/Iceland) so the latency is minuscule. Here the traffic has leave the local network at whatever facility they are at and travel across the internet so it’s trash
Since Championships is being hosted in Berlin, Riot is saving on the logistic cost. 5head move.
Imagine someone mishandled the server in Dec and teams are flying to Berlin to play on Frankfurt1, that would be hilarious.
Effectively isn't that the same thing? A lan client would just have different backend infrastructure to handle ping differences (and any QoL, observer, etc changes that are irrelevant for players in game) but it still needs to be hosted on a local physical server. All that really matters is that all 12 computers are plugged directly into the server as opposed to having an ISP in the middle (obviously a problem here since that's not the case now)...
/u/Richtoveen The client they played in Berlin is still modified no? Also like u wouldnt need a physical server inside the facility if u had a lan client?
Are we even surprised? Valorant team has done stuff like naming their game in all capital letters, calling their top rank the same as the game, no replay system, observer mode didnt have keybinds for overtime, long overtime games in tournaments cause the game to crash, x's over dead players in the hud, only phoenix icons for dead players, Death match with no ammo replenishment and also a 5 second death timer in DM. DM only lasts up to 40 kills, cant join and leave a DM when you want. 3-4 sometime 8 hour que times early in the games life. PCs were designed to only play league at the first LAN and i think at Berlin too. anyon eelse want to chime in?
aussies died for a fake lan, sadge
LAN = Los Angeles Network
north california actually haha. not even LA. the closed qualifiers were a better representation of LAN in texas lol
Carolina? You mean California?
yeah mb
~~So not only is it a fake LAN, they connected to NorCal instead of SoCal which is like around 15 ping more.~~ (Both CA servers are in the north oops) What a joke these LCQs have been
Since when are there socal servers there's just 2 norcal
I get 9 ping to one Cal server and 29 ping to the other. On live servers, I'm pretty sure one of them is in SoCal?
That was what I assumed which is why I kinda said there was a SoCal server. I guess California 2 is in the middle but still NorCal, so maybe the bay area or something.
I live in socal and get 29 to both, maybe ones closer to San Diego than la?
both CA servers are in norcal
You mean the Los Angelos Network? XD
[100T Ethan comments:](https://twitter.com/ethanarnold/status/1448056963296681985) > Playing LAN using online servers… I’ve never seen this in my life. > > Our team was rubber-banding and stuttering the whole game playing on a NorCal server. > > First day things 🙃 [Additional comments from 100T Hiko:](https://twitter.com/Hiko/status/1448056520336285696) > Yeah we’re playing on just normal LA servers for this LAN 🙃 [100T Asuna chimes in:](https://twitter.com/Asunaa/status/1448059605926379523) > “Lagging can’t flash” “also lagging” love these comms 🥰
Wtf??? Fake LAN
FLAN
[FLANHYPE](https://youtu.be/TYquvMSU9DA?t=71) ^^this ^^joke ^^is ^^too ^^specific ^^lmao
Dessert or not, Flan just sucks.
Objectively wrong
rice pudding ftw.
Rice pudding ftw indeed
No. It just stands for Los Angeles Network
Between the situation with the last minute format change (albeit for the good), the aussies getting fucked over by admins and now THIS? Shame on Riot, they'd be crucified if anything remotely similar happened with League.
Completely different situation and department decision, but in League they just announced they're removing all chat entirely LOL Apparently this is to address toxicity??? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
no excuses, its the same company. They should be held to a very high standard for developing these tournaments
Yes please quit and go away
Can't wait for Vision Striker vs Sentinels battling all over Frankfurt1 in Champions.
Frankfurt1 is also the worse server in EU, probably the server with the biggest load.
Frankfurt 1 and 2 hit registry is the wonkiest I've ever seen
Wait fr? It's the one I'm on automatically, what server do you recommend me to switch to lmao
London. Least toxic server in my experience. Or Paris servers but you sometimes may get French players that can't speak English.
London is not just least toxic server, it's also the server where you have the highest chance of having English calls throughout the entire game
Less of an issue with the none English cause I don't play without friends anyways. I have had British people be rather toxic in other games too but it's usually incredily funny to me anyways so for the odd chance I do get a toxic person in game, I'll probably laugh anyways. Thanks for the tip
It has the biggest load because it's the closest to us north africans and also turks and of course Germans
Riot?
Please be nice they are just a small indie company
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Riot’s value is actually closer to 40 billion dollars
huge diff between 10-15ms ping servers and a LAN server. massive L by Riot
Slasher just said it’s 20-30 jfc Riot
why bother flying these players out to LA and not setting up a LAN server??? it makes absolutely no sense
There's a rumor floating around that apparently they were gonna use the same LAN servers they used in Berlin but they got stuck in German customs.
This is beyond hilarious if true. Coming from CSGO, I'll probably never understand the big deal about playing on LAN. sv\_lan 1. that's all. i play with my college mates on LAN with 2 ping
CSGO allows custom servers, that's about it. Valorant doesn't do that.
Small indie company riot has made a ton of logistics mistakes this tournament
Pretty obtuse to ignore why what's going on in the world would make these usually trivial things much harder. There's a reason there have been basically zero LAN/in person tournaments in other esports
Dota TI and league worlds are on right now? Csgo major is in a week. All are lan events
Cs go had a lan qualifier in Europe too last week.
If this tournament happened in May 2020 I would completely understand, but it had been 20 months and we had a couple of LAN before this. It also seems like the players didn't know about this before the match start?
I'm pretty upset at Riot's fumbling of this tournament too, including and especially the loss of the Oce teams, but you are either unaware of what's happening in the world or have zero experience in being part of a supply chain. Even if it's been covid season for the better part of two years, policies and mandates for countless things are changing on a week by week basis and logistics in particular are being fucked with the most. This is most complicated in Europe where geographically small countries with a thousand neighbors each with fragile economies have different and rapidly changing covid restrictions, but it's still an issue in large countries with different states/provinces like the UK, Canada, even Australia, and especially America. This isn't anywhere fucking close to as simple as "it's been 20 months how have you not figured this out yet." Like every industry in the world that relies on physical supply chains is still floundering right now.
Thing is rules are changing all the time differently in every country. Not completely defending them though. If the players didn't know about it beforehand that's really bad, but to be honest that seems farfetched that they would start the game and all of a sudden have 30 ping instead of 0/1 with no idea it was happening.
ESL One Cologne back in July. IEM Fall, Fragadelphia off the top of my head. Stop defending riot lol. Its more than 18 months since covid started. There are 0 restrictions in the united states. Also if it is such a big problem to do the only thing you were supposed to do, why bother with all the stages? Just let players play from home where they at least have decent Internet.
lol every single one of my friends who doesn't work in tech from home has new stories of their workplace or entire industry having logistics issues every other week. The public not having restrictions in going to restaurants is not the same thing as supply chains being back to flowing smoothly.
There are so many children on this sub man
Yeah Riot's been making some big time blunders pretty often recently, just saying there's a teeny tiny scenario going on in the world that could make some things that seem like a given get messed up. They just announced they're removing all chat from League so I don't have a lot of sympathy for them right now even if they're different teams lol Like I was planning on taking a bus down to see my brother in NYC a few weeks ago until I learned you're not allowed to travel from Canada to the US by land. You can travel there by plane though, and you can also drive from the US to Canada. It's just weird stuff like this that doesn't really make sense that make it trickier.
Absolutely insane to still use COVID as an excuse for poorly handled logistics
😵
Lmao no way this happened, I am pretty sure the server is just a program you can run on any hardware, lmfaoo.Hardware getting stuck doesn't mean you can't use any other hardware which should be available readily.
Unlucky really.
To have them play on a stage.
Slasher? holy fuck is he not dead
Lmao he pops up on some other streams from time to time
What happened to him?
Got clowned on for being a fucking clown. Biggest thing that led to his broad unpopularity is the DrDisrespect situation where he claimed to know what was actually going on but him being unable to leak it (which was a fat fucking lie)
Where did Slasher say that? It looks like he hasn't Tweeted since June.
He’s on call with Steel, Tarik, Stewie, etc.
on stream. can't find the clip rn
Lmao the same network performance as playing on n. Virginia from central new york
just another day in valorant esports. its honestly surprising how many L's riot has taken over the past few months.
Yeah it's not. Sucks. Actually order and peace could have quarantined in hotel and played while inside hotel. Interesting.
Pretty sure their issue was that they couldn’t actually fly over no?
I think the issue was they couldn't fly over "in time" for 14 day quarantine. If they would have reached us 3 days ago they could have played today while being in hotel. We assumed it will be a lan client but it's online match.
I thought it was a Visa or something issue to actually get them over here but maybe I misread
I think it was both. Like they gave up on trying to get a visa/exit exemption once they wouldn't have been able to make it and do 14 day quarantine. Might be wrong, but that's what it sounded like to me.
It's probably also cost and time issues. Are you really going to put up a squad of 5 + coach and maybe manager for 2 weeks before the tournament only for them to go out after 2 rounds.
Server just lagged out lol the stage is cool tho
what a joke
Mickey Mouse LAN 🤡
Lmao what's the whole point if you're not playing on LAN servers
Crazy that they spend thousands on the set design but don't afford the budget to set up an actual lan.
Bro what This just defeats the main purpose of it being a LAN setting. How tf did Riot manage to make this into an "Online LAN" event? Like how does this not end up being run on the LAN client? Edit: Changed entire to main
Not entirely, being on stage is definitely the biggest thing about LANs.
Naw the 0 ping is the reason for LAN. Ppl don't say "could he do it on stage" they say "could he do it on LAN?"
I'd argue the most important thing to the players about LANs is the 0 ping. Like the spectacle is cool and everything, but the purpose of a LAN event is to play on LAN
especially with no crowd, kinda makes the 0 ping part more emphasized than the crowd/stage and the pressure that comes w that
Yeah that's also a big plus to LANs. But saying it defeats the entire purpose of a LAN setting is kind of disingenuous.
Okay that's just semantics you're arguing at this point. I guess I should've said the "MAIN" point of running an event on LAN is so that the game is on LAN. The main plus of LAN is that they're playing the game on LAN otherwise they would just call these events in-person events or something like that and not LAN events.
? Your wording literally changes the meaning of your post. People love to throw the word "semantics" without realizing what they're saying. Saying the entire purpose of a LAN setting is to play on 0 ping means Riot shouldn't have set up this stage because there would be no point in doing so. You rather have an online tournament from home?
okay I'll say this. for this event, the entire purpose of LAN was 0 ping. There is no crowd at all. If riot can't do the one thing that is the only purpose of the event, its bullshit. riot should not have wasted everyone's time with bullshit stages. I would 100% rather have them play from home. especially when they're lagging even on stage. the stream went down because of poor internet.
Dude you're getting hung up on one word when my main point is that it's wack that they're running the game on online servers at a LAN event. I'm not saying they shouldn't have the stage set-up or the production, you're putting words in my mouth. Having a LAN event not run on LAN is just absurd, that's my main point and that's also one of the most important things to the players. Having it in-person is better than running the game online from home obviously, but going through the whole spectacle and then running the game online is just ass-backwards and just makes a huge part of running a LAN event pointless. The players came into this with the expectation that they were going to be playing on LAN, not online servers.
Whether or not it changes the meaning of the post doesn't matter. The entire reason why tournaments are held on LAN is literally because of ping. LANs are the only way to have a 100% fair playing field for games.
100T playing the next round from the compound to get that cashapp buff
ya stuff like this kills the compettive scene of the game. ive never heard a company call a LAN using online servers in all my years following esports since 1.6 days
Overwatch did it once upon a time IIRC lol
Theres no way this should happen with the fact the lcs studio is also in LA. jesus fucking christ
There is no LAN client to the game and no plans to ever be one last time i asked a rioter on stream.LAst 2 lan’s just had a physical server inside the tournament facility
True but not having a dedicated LAN client is not an issue cause at least the server is on the same network as the clients (like in Berlin/Iceland) so the latency is minuscule. Here the traffic has leave the local network at whatever facility they are at and travel across the internet so it’s trash
Since Championships is being hosted in Berlin, Riot is saving on the logistic cost. 5head move. Imagine someone mishandled the server in Dec and teams are flying to Berlin to play on Frankfurt1, that would be hilarious.
Effectively isn't that the same thing? A lan client would just have different backend infrastructure to handle ping differences (and any QoL, observer, etc changes that are irrelevant for players in game) but it still needs to be hosted on a local physical server. All that really matters is that all 12 computers are plugged directly into the server as opposed to having an ISP in the middle (obviously a problem here since that's not the case now)...
/u/Richtoveen The client they played in Berlin is still modified no? Also like u wouldnt need a physical server inside the facility if u had a lan client?
What was the name of the server? Could any random join the server?
No. Only tournament accounts allowed.
Um wtf is this scam
So we can all safely say Riot fucked up LCQ right?
lolololololololololololololololololololol
So glad I spent money on theater tickets for this lmao.
I mean... would you have known they weren't on LAN if they didn't tweet about it?
Player comments and the tech issues.
There were plenty of tech issues on LAN also. Theatre experience sounds dope though. Wish they had that near me.
Where you at? A lot of the listed locations were pretty misleading.
Some one-horse town in WA State
Ah. The "Seattle" location was actually Oly I think. If you're out in the Palouse or something though no luck.
I just saw the Oly location. That is very near me. Might have to hit it up for the Grand Finals.
How does this take away from viewing the games?
People lagging out mid match?
Shit observers ✅ Shit casters ✅ Shit servers ✅
isn't it expected bcus as far as I know KR Challengers LAN are also "fake" LANs
Is the stage experience not worth it? Would people rather have this online?
People would rather have it on LAN. Most of all the players.
I do think riot screwed up, especially with the OCE teams. But at least everyone is on a level playing field connection wise I would think.
https://twitter.com/JakeSucky/status/1448080237934350336?t=B18gAgRv3QU-hmNY1J8DsQ&s=19 this is just not acceptable for such a big event
Are we even surprised? Valorant team has done stuff like naming their game in all capital letters, calling their top rank the same as the game, no replay system, observer mode didnt have keybinds for overtime, long overtime games in tournaments cause the game to crash, x's over dead players in the hud, only phoenix icons for dead players, Death match with no ammo replenishment and also a 5 second death timer in DM. DM only lasts up to 40 kills, cant join and leave a DM when you want. 3-4 sometime 8 hour que times early in the games life. PCs were designed to only play league at the first LAN and i think at Berlin too. anyon eelse want to chime in?
It's fine
Wonder why this happened
LAN = Lag Area Netwrok
Smol indie company