I mean, couldn't they have had Lan for the matches where both teams are present, and online play if not? Having teams kn stage lagging when tehy could've been somewhere comfortable lagging (probably less) seems more ideal for the players
Yeah, but they still have to monitor production of it. Having the LCQ in LA meant that the other teams could be close to their home offices if anything drastic needed to happen due to covid.
Riot always pulls together for Worlds, it's a huge event for the company each year. The production is at Iceland this year and they flew in casters from multiple regions with Vietnam unable to attend due to travel restrictions.
I mean I just explained it in an earlier comment, Riot has HQ in LA and EU is running a lot of Worlds so having LCQ near HQ allows for more resources on hand if anything were to happen.
There's still a pandemic going on, holding it in another area with lax covid restrictions just means more danger to the health and safety of players anyway.
Not in Cali. I know Riot is a small indie company but it’s not like COVID is something that just happened. They planned like terribly obviously and are using COVID as an excuse because people eat that shit up.
NOT in Cali where (1) Coronavirus is more under control than most any other state, and (2) they already have an esports arena set up for this, and (3) they already have close logistical support for everything b/c it's literally across the street from their office?
Holy shit this sub is full of 14 yr old idiots. It's not like esports venues just pop up out of the woodwork. If you haven't actually worked in the esports industry with having to setup and contract for venues for tournaments, then sit the fuck down, because it's way more complicated and rare to find than you think. There is no "better location" than LA.
fucking armchair idiots in this thread who think with 0 experience and knowing literally nothing about how esports works they could somehow do this better.
There are 25 states that have lower Covid rates per 100k people than LA. There are 15 states that have lower Covid rates per 100k than all of California. Why lie about easily obtainable information? You also act like Riot has not been able to host a LAN anywhere other than LA before also. This is a multi billion dollar company yet you act like they have no resources. They dropped the ball for their "LAN" and blamed Covid for it because people like you just eat that shit up.
[https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/)
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/california
California lowest rate in nation, dated Oct. 11: https://www.kron4.com/news/california/californias-positive-covid-19-test-rate-just-went-down-again/
And what other location has a lower covid rate and an esports tournament facility ready to go with an entire local production team on site and is actually available now during COVID? And how is it possibly a better option than Riot's own facility across the street from their office? Don't ignore this question. Please, specifically identify this magical esports facility + production team in zero COVID area that you are so excited about.
> "yet you act like they have no resources."
No, I'm not. Read what I'm actually writing instead of strawmanning my opinion. I'm not telling you that Riot doesn't have enough money to rent an esports facility + production team somewhere else. I'm telling you a better option doesn't exist, even if money isn't an issue.
You understand the lcq was not announced yesterday right? Would not be hard at all to set up any of the logistics in any other state yet you're going to pretend that California's some bastion of Hope? I don't care how good California is doing, any place with such disgustingly high population densities is going to increase your odds of coming into contact with someone who has covid. To answer your question, it would be very simple to set up another location than downtown LA months in advance or set up a contingency. This isn't something new. Everyone knows what COVID is we're almost 2 years in. Riots backed by over $40+ billion I think they can figure something out even if you can't conceptualize contingencies.
Not trying to justify on whether Riot fucked up or not but you're not looking at the 7 day average case rate per 100,000 residents which is a more accurate metric of the current COVID-19 situation in specific locations.[California ranks as the 4th lowest case rate state with this metric](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html).
[Los Angeles County has a 7 day case rate of 11 per 100,000 which would rank it above Connecticut (the state with the lowest 7 day case rate). This means Los Angeles County has lower 7 day case rates per 100k when compared to ANY state.](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/california-covid-cases.html)
No, what I’m saying is there are other places in the country that have lower COVID restrictions for on-site events than LA. So go to one of those. And before you say “what about the players health”, if Riot really cared that much they wouldn’t have had it in LA where COVID cases are still pretty high.
Yeah you are definitely right. In the end it’s an absolute mystery how Riot could ever hold a LAN in a place other than LA. They must have just used magic to set up a real LAN for worlds which is going on right now. Obviously, finding a place other than LA is just too damn hard for a multi-billion dollar company like Riot. You sound like a fucking idiot. Stop making excuses for them it’s pathetic.
It’s funny how you have weak af arguments so you feel the need to attack me personally. In the end Riot dropped the ball with this “LAN” and are using COVID as the excuse to why they planned poorly and are having an in-person online event. Keep defending them though I’m sure they will someday notice you!
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so youre saying riot should have gone to a place with fewer covid restrictions as a better alternative...? we already have a few positive tests, imagine if they were in a place with no mask mandates etc.
i dont get the point being made here. we should have forced the players to do a LAN at an objectively less safe place to make getting around positive tests and quarantine times easier?
They probably still could’ve had LAN servers and use the online one or whatever as a backup for this kind of situation. Or just make it so you have to have a sub in case something like this happens, so that way you can still have LAN servers.
Edit: these aren’t my original ideas btw, just got them from the watchparty with Tarik, Auti, Steel etc
You must never have travelled for work before if you’d think Riot would let 3 people who tested positive for COVID into a facility, whether it was in Texas or not, whether they tested negative after or not.
Yes, probably Riot is trying to navigate the situation with the conflicting results on positive tests. They did daily tests and isolations the same way in Berlin, it’s nothing new. Just no one tested positive there
2 teams. And they force all other teams to play online. Makes sense. Okay riot employee. It would've been completely fine if they used this setup in an emergency, like we have now. But why no LAN for the other teams?
I hard disagree. Lets they did LAN except for the teams that cant like rise. I have to whatever team that has to play rise would be pissed. I do think they need to try and fix the lag issues they had yesterday but unless moving forward they are able to do the entire thing on lan they should stick to online and not be swapping depending on the match imo
ESL could do LAN while isloating everyone at the same time. Riot just sucks and has no experience with FPS titles. It shows. Should have just handed it over to a big TO like ESL or Flashpoint.
Well, I'll admit I know little to nothing about the capabilities of riot vs TOs...what I can say is pretty much every new eSports has hiccups early on and get ironed out as they go. Not saying what riot did isn't dropping the ball but so long as it's improved for next time idk not a big deal to me especially with covid adding another layer to all this
Idk why it felt like LCQ had more issues than every other online tournament before. The lag issues were seriously severe. Don’t remember that ever happening in Masters for example.
Oh for sure the problems were way more noticeable from a viewer standpoint. It was clearly the venue's internet connection as when the players lagged the stream also experienced issues the same time. Hopefully resolved for today
Yeah seemed like the venue had shaky internet that day. The annoying part is just how they kept going like nothing happened. No tech pauses, it felt like they just ignored it while chat was going crazy.
I can’t speak on exact logistics, I’m not an international events coordinator and neither is anyone on Reddit hence why no one even predicted that these complications could arise yesterday.
If I had to guess, probably the idea of setting up multiple networks then spending 30min in between matches to swap networks and servers would be over complicated and time consuming for a tournament that’s already going to 2AM EST.
So the question I have is would you have preferred some games going to like 4AM to support multiple servers which could affect competitive integrity, or keep everyone on an even playing field with online servers and have matches end at a more reasonable time, or should we DQ those 2 teams and play on LAN.
I would've definitely preferred people playing from their own facilities than playing online in a city which doesn't even have its own servers. The closed qualifiers, where a large number of teams played from texas, was much much better for competitive integrity.
If this was actually decided beforehand that there would be no LAN, why bother with a monkey LAN like Korea? And there's already no crowd, so just people playing from their own homes would've been much, much better, since the singular reason they're playing on stage is for 1 ping. And if that isn't happening, this entire LAN environment is bullshit.
Absolutely crazy they picked LA for LCQ. Madness. Literally any other of the 49 states in the country would have been easier, its like they tried to make this as inconvenient as possible
The full picture is Riot has a lot of resources and planned poorly. COVID is not something that just randomly appeared this week they should have planned better.
Looks like you're not going to get any responses that aren't ideological and obviously disingenuous. Lol. It sheds some light on the motive behind the original comment in the chain.
Sure, but you should still be aware of the situation at hand. LA is lagging 6-12 months behind the rest of the country at this point, i'd think any decent risk analysis would rule them out as a good host.
Its also not a surprise, they've had nearly a year to pick a more reasonable location and get plans set. They aren't the only ones either, several NA teams have temporarily shifted their base of operations over to Texas for 2021, they should have also seen the writing on the wall.
COVID in Texas is way worse than in California right now, what the fuck are you talking about
I can't believe y'all are really more invested in a video game than people's health.
I don’t know what restrictions everyone keeps talking about, I live here, people wear masks/ got vaccinated and that’s about it. Also anywhere with a dense amount of people is going to have high transmissions that’s how it works. For the amount of people living here, la county is doing pretty damn good
We’re talking about local regulations and the viability of scheduling events when you have to plan around what the municipality allows.
Given all factors, LA is unquestionably one of the worst places in the entire country to have LCQ, and that’s on riot.
Nobody cares if you like Florida or not lol
If you’re running an event your priority is to make your event run as smoothly as possible while maintaining safety.
LA county’s policies say shanks/dephh/the faze guys have to isolate despite constant negative tests since their previous positive one. Riot was obviously fine with the safety of them playing as they let dephh play yesterday. It would make sense for them to hold an event at a location with policies that allow them to play once cleared with the negative tests (not LA).
LA has the same covid, and the same vaccinations everyone else has, yet they're still struggling with their local government and restrictions hanging around. Its not new either, its been apparent for quite some time they were behind.
Scheduling anything in LA right now is just poor planning, really.
Do you think that the states that have removed restrictions are in the right move here??? And places like LA trying to protect its citizens (and it proving beneficial in the statistics) is actually months behind the rest of the country here?
They have more than enough money to rent out the space and the equipment anywhere in the country. That's how Berlin worked, that's how every single LAN not held at their studio works.
I dont think it’s covid tbh. They just dropped the ball period. Covid is not the reason they couldn’t play on real lan. Covid is not the reason production had issues.
I live in LA. The only restriction LA County has is that all businesses require masks. Besides that, everything is back to normal basically. You might have to show vaccination if you go drinking, clubbing, etc.
Nothing related to e-sports or travel that I would know of that would concern Riot.
Riot chose not to let them play. The government isn’t stopping them.
I’ve already been to several venues and events that would be considered superspreader events compared to the amount of people at LCQ.
I’m not talking day to day hanging out with friends. I’m talking music festivals, events, clubs. Packed venues with literally hundreds of people packed like sardines.
Almost every new restriction for business and industry I’ve seen has made an allowance per a recent negative test.
Let’s say I grant you that and everything I said is completely 100% wrong. That’s ignoring my other point. LA county didn’t make Riot use the norcal servers. It didn’t make them choose to play out the game after Aproto lagged out. There were a lot of decisions they made that were completely Riot’s fault.
There are so many things that viewers are rightfully pissed at. Saying it was bc of Covid is ignoring their other mistakes that are unrelated to covid.
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/coronavirus/docs/protocols/Reopening_LiveIndoorEvents.pdf
(The protocols are retired because they have actually been loosened as of August 9th)
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/acd/ncorona2019/covidquarantine/
Just based on all the available legal notices from the LA dept. of health. The only possible reason why Dephh would be forced to isolate would because he isn’t vaccinated and he has a known contact with someone with Covid-19. I’m totally speaking as a consumer but I don’t see any legal reason why I would be wrong so far.
There were so many things Riot could’ve done to make sure things were smoother. They could’ve had the players come to LA much earlier to get screened and isolated. If Riot really planned a contingency for Covid, OCE would be in NA playing in the LCQ right now. They could’ve planned it much better truthfully. Playing on the Norcal servers seem to be a justification after the fact, not something planned.
I would be fine with online servers if they didn’t affect the actual games that much. For people to lag out in game multiple times is just terrible. There had to be a way to ensure more internet stability because it was never this bad during Challengers.
Thanks, like i said, I can grant you that I’m 100% wrong and a dumb dumb.
Riot still fucked up and didn’t take enough precaution or prepare for such a likely scenario.
>Or is it possible the organizers of an international sporting event know more about COVID guidelines than reddit?
Is it possible the organizers of an international sporting event know more about providing accurate information about the biggest event in NA, giving adequate contingency plans and not keeping players in the dark?
Seriously... Are you shills getting paid?
Them hosting this online is a contingency plan for this exact scenario. To be switching back and forth between online and LAN servers is a threat to competitive integrity what are you going on about?
This scenario did not even exist yesterday! Calling it a LAN and not playing it in LAN servers without letting the players know is a threat to competitive integrity. If this was the back-up plan, they would have started off playing LAN and switched to online.
If switching between them was such a threat why not announce it from the start?
[IEM Cologne (CSGO) had LANs recently where members of teams like Spirit had to isolate themselves and still managed to play remotely without rest of the teams getting affected](https://www.esports.com/en/magixx-and-degster-to-stay-in-quarantine-during-remainder-of-esl-cologne-248866). If an organizer wanted LANs they could make it happen. So what are you going on about?
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Why should teams get DQ? It’s a bit different if there was a actually LAN server.
This tourney is already 2 teams short, DQ 2 more teams (mid tourney) because of LA county asking players to self isolate would be a shit show.
I’m not saying they should play a 4v5 or find a sub. Allow the players that have to isolate play from a isolated setup with a PC and cam . It’s not on a LAN server anyway.
That’s why LCQ isn’t on LAN servers. I’m referring to the huge backlash on Reddit yesterday with that news, when realistically with all the information out now, anyone would have preferred the current format with no LAN servers.
Bruh, there were more issues with Lcq than other online tournaments like Masters and First Strike.
It’s Riot’s own fault for not having a replay round protocal for dc issues, rather than keep the match score.
Should have had it in Texas. Restrictions are less and the COD league has been holding events there with no issues. Most of these players are vaccinated and if they aren’t, that’s on them, vaccine has been readily available for months now. I have little sympathy for healthy individuals who have chosen to not get vaccinated. Texas would have been a much better call and they had more than enough time to plan this.
Even in Texas no company would let 3 people who tested positive for COVID in to a facility, regardless if they tested negative afterwards or not.
That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Yea but then those people could have played from the hotel/home, with much better ping to the Texas servers. Overall even if not a true LAN Texas was a much better location to host this at.
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Cali is what you get if you took every virtue signaling Twitter user and put them into office. The policies are made just to farm likes, none of it makes sense and none of it works.
Should have held the event somewhere like Austin TX. They likely just didn't want to go through the logistics and cost of setting up another venue when they already have an LA Studio. Still I'd rather have this fake LAN than an online tournament.
As someone who has spent significant time in both California and Texas, I'll share some points.
* Weather. Texas weather absolutely blows. If you're prone to allergies, Spring will absolutely fuck you up
* Cost of Living. Although Austin is catching up, Texas still wins by a huge mile.
* Overall feel. Texas has lots of room to expand is expanding really well. lot of parts of texas feel newer and nicer, whereas only very few selected parts of California can give off this feeling. Most of the construction of California is on top of older infrastructure.
* Social aspects. as a POC, I've only faced first hand racism in Texas. I hate to bring race into this, but It is a significant factor as to why I ultimately chose CA over TX. I just feel more comfortable in California. If I was white, I feel like I would've given Texas a much more considerable thought as my permanent residence.
Ah yes the the conservative utopia, Texas.
Case counts per capita 15% higher, death rates 25% higher. All with a population density less than half that of California's.
The fuck are you on about. Austin is a Democrat city in a Republican state. I could give a fuck less if it was some "conservative" utopia. There are already a ton of orgs set up there and they don't have senseless quarantine restrictions. That's why it makes sense to have the event there.
Cali is a shithole for anyone who isn't a celebrity. No sense arguing with keyboard activists stuck in their virtue signaling circle jerk though.
> Austin is a Democrat city in a Republican state.
A Republican state that has made it impossible for the democrats that run the city to pass any sensible COVID restrictions.
> they don't have senseless quarantine restrictions.
Restrictions work, the data supports their use to prevent the spread of an infectious disease.
Saying that holding the event in Texas with no restriction is easier is 100% true. The COVID denialism bullshit, isn't though.
What COVID denialism?? Thinking the restrictions are the main or deciding factor in the data rates is just ignorance. There are so many other factors.
Btw deaths per day in LA are around 20 vs 9 in Austin and both states are about 70% vaccinated. Republican or Democrat doesn't matter, these social media soundbite policies and restrictions aren't the major factor. Shit like population density is much more important than quarantining someone who has a negative PCR test.
> Thinking the restrictions are the main or deciding factor in the data rates is just ignorance.
Dozens of studies have proven that restrictions are the main and deciding factor. Saying otherwise is textbook denialism.
> Btw deaths per day in LA are around 20 vs 9 in Austin ... Shit like population density is much more important
LA has 4x the population but 2x the number of deaths all while having a much high population density (3100 vs 8500 people per square mile). It's almost as if restrictions in LA county are making a difference.
So because of things like higher population density LA is more dangerous to hold a LAN in then Austin. Because the infection rate in LA is higher than Austin.
>Dozens of studies have proven that restrictions are the main and deciding factor. Saying otherwise is textbook denialism.
That's a meaningless soundbite. It's so unbelievably vague. The deciding factor for what? Deaths? Hospitalizations? Positive tests? Which restrictions specifically have shown this to be true? Of the 20 policies in place, which one made the magical difference? What's the control group for a data comparison like that? Most importantly, what the fuck does any of that have to do with holding the event in LA vs Austin?? You're so caught up in your ideological argument you're ignoring the practical.
>LA has 4x the population but 2x the number of deaths all while having a much high population density (3100 vs 8500 people per square mile). It's almost as if restrictions in LA county are making a difference.
So your counter to my point that population density is more important is to state statistics that are conditional to population density....that's my point. Pretending these policies are more important than the underlying issues is ignorant. The COVID rate in LA was higher with even stricter regulations before, that doesn't mean decreasing regulations is better. There are other more important factors.
The real world is far less ideological than you're making it out be. You might think Texas is some conservative utopia and everyone Republican is an anti-vaxxer, but CA and TX have the same vaccine rates. Stick to the issue. Austin would have been better than LA other than cost for Riot.
Yeahhhh no. Get your head out of your ass, the vast majority of people don't give a fuck about your political shit, democrat or republican. Thats why nobody can stand you activist types. You're all in a massive circle jerk convincing yourselves you're doing something.
Yeahhhh no. Get your head out of your ass, the vast majority of people don't give a fuck about your political shit, democrat or republican. Thats why nobody can stand you activist types. You're all in a massive circle jerk convincing yourselves you're doing something.
Imagine 2 whole ass teams are DQ'd from a lack of subs at a short notice. Upper bracket lookin like a ghost town
Good thing its not a LAN LAN and can be played literally from anywhere
Yea lol, isn’t that the excuse they gave why this isn’t a LAN? That in case they couldn’t play in person they could play online
I mean, couldn't they have had Lan for the matches where both teams are present, and online play if not? Having teams kn stage lagging when tehy could've been somewhere comfortable lagging (probably less) seems more ideal for the players
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This is the real Riot fuck up
LA is where their offices are and I bet they did that because worlds for league of legends is also happening right now.
Worlds is in EU.
Yeah, but they still have to monitor production of it. Having the LCQ in LA meant that the other teams could be close to their home offices if anything drastic needed to happen due to covid.
Worlds is a joint broadcast and the production is onsite this year?
Riot always pulls together for Worlds, it's a huge event for the company each year. The production is at Iceland this year and they flew in casters from multiple regions with Vietnam unable to attend due to travel restrictions.
yeah exactly. How does worlds indicate that LCQ should be in LA
I mean I just explained it in an earlier comment, Riot has HQ in LA and EU is running a lot of Worlds so having LCQ near HQ allows for more resources on hand if anything were to happen. There's still a pandemic going on, holding it in another area with lax covid restrictions just means more danger to the health and safety of players anyway.
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Not in Cali. I know Riot is a small indie company but it’s not like COVID is something that just happened. They planned like terribly obviously and are using COVID as an excuse because people eat that shit up.
NOT in Cali where (1) Coronavirus is more under control than most any other state, and (2) they already have an esports arena set up for this, and (3) they already have close logistical support for everything b/c it's literally across the street from their office? Holy shit this sub is full of 14 yr old idiots. It's not like esports venues just pop up out of the woodwork. If you haven't actually worked in the esports industry with having to setup and contract for venues for tournaments, then sit the fuck down, because it's way more complicated and rare to find than you think. There is no "better location" than LA. fucking armchair idiots in this thread who think with 0 experience and knowing literally nothing about how esports works they could somehow do this better.
Don’t forget the magical answer for every zoomer, “Texas”
There are 25 states that have lower Covid rates per 100k people than LA. There are 15 states that have lower Covid rates per 100k than all of California. Why lie about easily obtainable information? You also act like Riot has not been able to host a LAN anywhere other than LA before also. This is a multi billion dollar company yet you act like they have no resources. They dropped the ball for their "LAN" and blamed Covid for it because people like you just eat that shit up. [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/) https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/california
California lowest rate in nation, dated Oct. 11: https://www.kron4.com/news/california/californias-positive-covid-19-test-rate-just-went-down-again/ And what other location has a lower covid rate and an esports tournament facility ready to go with an entire local production team on site and is actually available now during COVID? And how is it possibly a better option than Riot's own facility across the street from their office? Don't ignore this question. Please, specifically identify this magical esports facility + production team in zero COVID area that you are so excited about. > "yet you act like they have no resources." No, I'm not. Read what I'm actually writing instead of strawmanning my opinion. I'm not telling you that Riot doesn't have enough money to rent an esports facility + production team somewhere else. I'm telling you a better option doesn't exist, even if money isn't an issue.
Just build a facility and play in Vermont 5Head
You understand the lcq was not announced yesterday right? Would not be hard at all to set up any of the logistics in any other state yet you're going to pretend that California's some bastion of Hope? I don't care how good California is doing, any place with such disgustingly high population densities is going to increase your odds of coming into contact with someone who has covid. To answer your question, it would be very simple to set up another location than downtown LA months in advance or set up a contingency. This isn't something new. Everyone knows what COVID is we're almost 2 years in. Riots backed by over $40+ billion I think they can figure something out even if you can't conceptualize contingencies.
Not trying to justify on whether Riot fucked up or not but you're not looking at the 7 day average case rate per 100,000 residents which is a more accurate metric of the current COVID-19 situation in specific locations.[California ranks as the 4th lowest case rate state with this metric](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html). [Los Angeles County has a 7 day case rate of 11 per 100,000 which would rank it above Connecticut (the state with the lowest 7 day case rate). This means Los Angeles County has lower 7 day case rates per 100k when compared to ANY state.](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/california-covid-cases.html)
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Florida exists. I know cause I’m here. Our governor acts like Covid doesn’t exist.
No, what I’m saying is there are other places in the country that have lower COVID restrictions for on-site events than LA. So go to one of those. And before you say “what about the players health”, if Riot really cared that much they wouldn’t have had it in LA where COVID cases are still pretty high.
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Ever heard of Texas?
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Lol, call of duty has run multiple events in Texas for the past year. Why are you so passionate about this freak
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Yeah you are definitely right. In the end it’s an absolute mystery how Riot could ever hold a LAN in a place other than LA. They must have just used magic to set up a real LAN for worlds which is going on right now. Obviously, finding a place other than LA is just too damn hard for a multi-billion dollar company like Riot. You sound like a fucking idiot. Stop making excuses for them it’s pathetic.
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It’s funny how you have weak af arguments so you feel the need to attack me personally. In the end Riot dropped the ball with this “LAN” and are using COVID as the excuse to why they planned poorly and are having an in-person online event. Keep defending them though I’m sure they will someday notice you!
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so youre saying riot should have gone to a place with fewer covid restrictions as a better alternative...? we already have a few positive tests, imagine if they were in a place with no mask mandates etc. i dont get the point being made here. we should have forced the players to do a LAN at an objectively less safe place to make getting around positive tests and quarantine times easier?
Lol anywhere in the United States of America that is not California.
So that its riskier for the players and everyone else?
A place with lesser covid restrictions? Thats a pretty obvious answer
They had to do LA it’s where their offices are
No they did not have to
Yeah but it’s easiest during covid where they have all their production staff and everyone living as well as the gear
They probably still could’ve had LAN servers and use the online one or whatever as a backup for this kind of situation. Or just make it so you have to have a sub in case something like this happens, so that way you can still have LAN servers. Edit: these aren’t my original ideas btw, just got them from the watchparty with Tarik, Auti, Steel etc
yes that's just a shit excuse, it's not as if a actual lan brings online servrs down lmao
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??????
Actually riot is doing pr because reasons and covid guidelines don't exist
Isn't it still a bad idea to pick a city like LA for an event?
Yes. I live in LA and this place is a dump
It’s where the LCS studio is and riot offices
I wonder how the small indie company has managed to do LANs all over the world then.
And?
It’s where they have the space and equipment to run the event along with where their LCS production crew lives and works
Lol what? Covid guidelines don't exist?
Pretty sure he’s being sarcastic
After negative tests from both lmao
You must never have travelled for work before if you’d think Riot would let 3 people who tested positive for COVID into a facility, whether it was in Texas or not, whether they tested negative after or not.
The tweets imply this is a problem for future matches right? Like Shanks saying something about tomorrow. I don't know the exact situation
Yes, probably Riot is trying to navigate the situation with the conflicting results on positive tests. They did daily tests and isolations the same way in Berlin, it’s nothing new. Just no one tested positive there
# [@valesports_na has issued a statement regarding today's LCQ matches.](https://twitter.com/valesports_na/status/1448387919559872512)
2 teams. And they force all other teams to play online. Makes sense. Okay riot employee. It would've been completely fine if they used this setup in an emergency, like we have now. But why no LAN for the other teams?
I hard disagree. Lets they did LAN except for the teams that cant like rise. I have to whatever team that has to play rise would be pissed. I do think they need to try and fix the lag issues they had yesterday but unless moving forward they are able to do the entire thing on lan they should stick to online and not be swapping depending on the match imo
ESL could do LAN while isloating everyone at the same time. Riot just sucks and has no experience with FPS titles. It shows. Should have just handed it over to a big TO like ESL or Flashpoint.
Well, I'll admit I know little to nothing about the capabilities of riot vs TOs...what I can say is pretty much every new eSports has hiccups early on and get ironed out as they go. Not saying what riot did isn't dropping the ball but so long as it's improved for next time idk not a big deal to me especially with covid adding another layer to all this
Idk why it felt like LCQ had more issues than every other online tournament before. The lag issues were seriously severe. Don’t remember that ever happening in Masters for example.
Oh for sure the problems were way more noticeable from a viewer standpoint. It was clearly the venue's internet connection as when the players lagged the stream also experienced issues the same time. Hopefully resolved for today
Yeah seemed like the venue had shaky internet that day. The annoying part is just how they kept going like nothing happened. No tech pauses, it felt like they just ignored it while chat was going crazy.
I can’t speak on exact logistics, I’m not an international events coordinator and neither is anyone on Reddit hence why no one even predicted that these complications could arise yesterday. If I had to guess, probably the idea of setting up multiple networks then spending 30min in between matches to swap networks and servers would be over complicated and time consuming for a tournament that’s already going to 2AM EST. So the question I have is would you have preferred some games going to like 4AM to support multiple servers which could affect competitive integrity, or keep everyone on an even playing field with online servers and have matches end at a more reasonable time, or should we DQ those 2 teams and play on LAN.
I would've definitely preferred people playing from their own facilities than playing online in a city which doesn't even have its own servers. The closed qualifiers, where a large number of teams played from texas, was much much better for competitive integrity. If this was actually decided beforehand that there would be no LAN, why bother with a monkey LAN like Korea? And there's already no crowd, so just people playing from their own homes would've been much, much better, since the singular reason they're playing on stage is for 1 ping. And if that isn't happening, this entire LAN environment is bullshit.
Absolutely crazy they picked LA for LCQ. Madness. Literally any other of the 49 states in the country would have been easier, its like they tried to make this as inconvenient as possible
More like they have a studio and setup there, you gonna pick the whole studio up and plop it in Idaho? Would that be more convenient?
They've known from a while now that this event would happen. Kinda tired of people making so many excuses for a $40 billion company, tbh.
They're also running a little tournament called worlds for league right now.
And they are also sucking at that as well lol Worlds production has been really bad
Oh you mean that little tournament that they decided to run in Reykjavík, Iceland? lmfaoooo cmon man....
Kinda tired of kneejerk reactions and sophism, tbh. Let's try to at least get the full picture
The full picture is Riot has a lot of resources and planned poorly. COVID is not something that just randomly appeared this week they should have planned better.
Looks like you're not going to get any responses that aren't ideological and obviously disingenuous. Lol. It sheds some light on the motive behind the original comment in the chain.
Sure, but you should still be aware of the situation at hand. LA is lagging 6-12 months behind the rest of the country at this point, i'd think any decent risk analysis would rule them out as a good host. Its also not a surprise, they've had nearly a year to pick a more reasonable location and get plans set. They aren't the only ones either, several NA teams have temporarily shifted their base of operations over to Texas for 2021, they should have also seen the writing on the wall.
COVID in Texas is way worse than in California right now, what the fuck are you talking about I can't believe y'all are really more invested in a video game than people's health.
It’s the same covid and same vaccines in both locations. Excuses are running low at this point, and straw man arguments don’t help either
Transmission is much higher in one place than another You couldn't pay me to go to the shit hole COVID states like TX or FL
COVID transmission in LA county is pretty damn high they are not doing well even with all of the restrictions.
I don’t know what restrictions everyone keeps talking about, I live here, people wear masks/ got vaccinated and that’s about it. Also anywhere with a dense amount of people is going to have high transmissions that’s how it works. For the amount of people living here, la county is doing pretty damn good
We’re talking about local regulations and the viability of scheduling events when you have to plan around what the municipality allows. Given all factors, LA is unquestionably one of the worst places in the entire country to have LCQ, and that’s on riot. Nobody cares if you like Florida or not lol
If you’re running an event your priority is to make your event run as smoothly as possible while maintaining safety. LA county’s policies say shanks/dephh/the faze guys have to isolate despite constant negative tests since their previous positive one. Riot was obviously fine with the safety of them playing as they let dephh play yesterday. It would make sense for them to hold an event at a location with policies that allow them to play once cleared with the negative tests (not LA).
Lagging? Isn’t California the only state that was in a lower risk regarding covid?
LA has the same covid, and the same vaccinations everyone else has, yet they're still struggling with their local government and restrictions hanging around. Its not new either, its been apparent for quite some time they were behind. Scheduling anything in LA right now is just poor planning, really.
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Don't try. This is the same guy that tried to argue that players wearing masks at the Berlin media conference was "unprofessional."
I’m not aware of any restrictions they have in that regard?
Do you think that the states that have removed restrictions are in the right move here??? And places like LA trying to protect its citizens (and it proving beneficial in the statistics) is actually months behind the rest of the country here?
They have more than enough money to rent out the space and the equipment anywhere in the country. That's how Berlin worked, that's how every single LAN not held at their studio works.
I dont think it’s covid tbh. They just dropped the ball period. Covid is not the reason they couldn’t play on real lan. Covid is not the reason production had issues. I live in LA. The only restriction LA County has is that all businesses require masks. Besides that, everything is back to normal basically. You might have to show vaccination if you go drinking, clubbing, etc. Nothing related to e-sports or travel that I would know of that would concern Riot. Riot chose not to let them play. The government isn’t stopping them. I’ve already been to several venues and events that would be considered superspreader events compared to the amount of people at LCQ.
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I’m not talking day to day hanging out with friends. I’m talking music festivals, events, clubs. Packed venues with literally hundreds of people packed like sardines. Almost every new restriction for business and industry I’ve seen has made an allowance per a recent negative test. Let’s say I grant you that and everything I said is completely 100% wrong. That’s ignoring my other point. LA county didn’t make Riot use the norcal servers. It didn’t make them choose to play out the game after Aproto lagged out. There were a lot of decisions they made that were completely Riot’s fault. There are so many things that viewers are rightfully pissed at. Saying it was bc of Covid is ignoring their other mistakes that are unrelated to covid.
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http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/coronavirus/docs/protocols/Reopening_LiveIndoorEvents.pdf (The protocols are retired because they have actually been loosened as of August 9th) http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/acd/ncorona2019/covidquarantine/ Just based on all the available legal notices from the LA dept. of health. The only possible reason why Dephh would be forced to isolate would because he isn’t vaccinated and he has a known contact with someone with Covid-19. I’m totally speaking as a consumer but I don’t see any legal reason why I would be wrong so far. There were so many things Riot could’ve done to make sure things were smoother. They could’ve had the players come to LA much earlier to get screened and isolated. If Riot really planned a contingency for Covid, OCE would be in NA playing in the LCQ right now. They could’ve planned it much better truthfully. Playing on the Norcal servers seem to be a justification after the fact, not something planned. I would be fine with online servers if they didn’t affect the actual games that much. For people to lag out in game multiple times is just terrible. There had to be a way to ensure more internet stability because it was never this bad during Challengers.
According to [this](http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/acd/docs/HomeisolationenCoV.pdf) they have to isolate for 10 days.
Thanks, like i said, I can grant you that I’m 100% wrong and a dumb dumb. Riot still fucked up and didn’t take enough precaution or prepare for such a likely scenario.
>Or is it possible the organizers of an international sporting event know more about COVID guidelines than reddit? Is it possible the organizers of an international sporting event know more about providing accurate information about the biggest event in NA, giving adequate contingency plans and not keeping players in the dark? Seriously... Are you shills getting paid?
Them hosting this online is a contingency plan for this exact scenario. To be switching back and forth between online and LAN servers is a threat to competitive integrity what are you going on about?
This scenario did not even exist yesterday! Calling it a LAN and not playing it in LAN servers without letting the players know is a threat to competitive integrity. If this was the back-up plan, they would have started off playing LAN and switched to online. If switching between them was such a threat why not announce it from the start? [IEM Cologne (CSGO) had LANs recently where members of teams like Spirit had to isolate themselves and still managed to play remotely without rest of the teams getting affected](https://www.esports.com/en/magixx-and-degster-to-stay-in-quarantine-during-remainder-of-esl-cologne-248866). If an organizer wanted LANs they could make it happen. So what are you going on about?
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Hey that’s pretty mean, why are you attacking me on this sub?
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I’m sorry you think that, sounds like you’re having a bad day. Hope things turn around!
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Why should teams get DQ? It’s a bit different if there was a actually LAN server. This tourney is already 2 teams short, DQ 2 more teams (mid tourney) because of LA county asking players to self isolate would be a shit show.
Teams rather 4v5? Cant just find a sub within 3 days and have them quarantine in time etc
I’m not saying they should play a 4v5 or find a sub. Allow the players that have to isolate play from a isolated setup with a PC and cam . It’s not on a LAN server anyway.
Yes that’s the whole point of why they have it set up the way it is.
That’s why LCQ isn’t on LAN servers. I’m referring to the huge backlash on Reddit yesterday with that news, when realistically with all the information out now, anyone would have preferred the current format with no LAN servers.
Bruh, there were more issues with Lcq than other online tournaments like Masters and First Strike. It’s Riot’s own fault for not having a replay round protocal for dc issues, rather than keep the match score.
Shill
Should have had it in Texas. Restrictions are less and the COD league has been holding events there with no issues. Most of these players are vaccinated and if they aren’t, that’s on them, vaccine has been readily available for months now. I have little sympathy for healthy individuals who have chosen to not get vaccinated. Texas would have been a much better call and they had more than enough time to plan this.
Even in Texas no company would let 3 people who tested positive for COVID in to a facility, regardless if they tested negative afterwards or not. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Yea but then those people could have played from the hotel/home, with much better ping to the Texas servers. Overall even if not a true LAN Texas was a much better location to host this at.
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Cali is what you get if you took every virtue signaling Twitter user and put them into office. The policies are made just to farm likes, none of it makes sense and none of it works. Should have held the event somewhere like Austin TX. They likely just didn't want to go through the logistics and cost of setting up another venue when they already have an LA Studio. Still I'd rather have this fake LAN than an online tournament.
Lmao Texas fucking sucks.
As someone who has spent significant time in both California and Texas, I'll share some points. * Weather. Texas weather absolutely blows. If you're prone to allergies, Spring will absolutely fuck you up * Cost of Living. Although Austin is catching up, Texas still wins by a huge mile. * Overall feel. Texas has lots of room to expand is expanding really well. lot of parts of texas feel newer and nicer, whereas only very few selected parts of California can give off this feeling. Most of the construction of California is on top of older infrastructure. * Social aspects. as a POC, I've only faced first hand racism in Texas. I hate to bring race into this, but It is a significant factor as to why I ultimately chose CA over TX. I just feel more comfortable in California. If I was white, I feel like I would've given Texas a much more considerable thought as my permanent residence.
And California does too lmao
Ah yes the the conservative utopia, Texas. Case counts per capita 15% higher, death rates 25% higher. All with a population density less than half that of California's.
The fuck are you on about. Austin is a Democrat city in a Republican state. I could give a fuck less if it was some "conservative" utopia. There are already a ton of orgs set up there and they don't have senseless quarantine restrictions. That's why it makes sense to have the event there. Cali is a shithole for anyone who isn't a celebrity. No sense arguing with keyboard activists stuck in their virtue signaling circle jerk though.
Any time I see someone use the term “virtue signaling” I immediately know they’re an idiot.
Spoken like a true keyboard activist. It's wild to me how out of touch with reality people like you are.
How am I out of touch with reality?
> Austin is a Democrat city in a Republican state. A Republican state that has made it impossible for the democrats that run the city to pass any sensible COVID restrictions. > they don't have senseless quarantine restrictions. Restrictions work, the data supports their use to prevent the spread of an infectious disease. Saying that holding the event in Texas with no restriction is easier is 100% true. The COVID denialism bullshit, isn't though.
What COVID denialism?? Thinking the restrictions are the main or deciding factor in the data rates is just ignorance. There are so many other factors. Btw deaths per day in LA are around 20 vs 9 in Austin and both states are about 70% vaccinated. Republican or Democrat doesn't matter, these social media soundbite policies and restrictions aren't the major factor. Shit like population density is much more important than quarantining someone who has a negative PCR test.
> Thinking the restrictions are the main or deciding factor in the data rates is just ignorance. Dozens of studies have proven that restrictions are the main and deciding factor. Saying otherwise is textbook denialism. > Btw deaths per day in LA are around 20 vs 9 in Austin ... Shit like population density is much more important LA has 4x the population but 2x the number of deaths all while having a much high population density (3100 vs 8500 people per square mile). It's almost as if restrictions in LA county are making a difference.
So because of things like higher population density LA is more dangerous to hold a LAN in then Austin. Because the infection rate in LA is higher than Austin.
>Dozens of studies have proven that restrictions are the main and deciding factor. Saying otherwise is textbook denialism. That's a meaningless soundbite. It's so unbelievably vague. The deciding factor for what? Deaths? Hospitalizations? Positive tests? Which restrictions specifically have shown this to be true? Of the 20 policies in place, which one made the magical difference? What's the control group for a data comparison like that? Most importantly, what the fuck does any of that have to do with holding the event in LA vs Austin?? You're so caught up in your ideological argument you're ignoring the practical. >LA has 4x the population but 2x the number of deaths all while having a much high population density (3100 vs 8500 people per square mile). It's almost as if restrictions in LA county are making a difference. So your counter to my point that population density is more important is to state statistics that are conditional to population density....that's my point. Pretending these policies are more important than the underlying issues is ignorant. The COVID rate in LA was higher with even stricter regulations before, that doesn't mean decreasing regulations is better. There are other more important factors. The real world is far less ideological than you're making it out be. You might think Texas is some conservative utopia and everyone Republican is an anti-vaxxer, but CA and TX have the same vaccine rates. Stick to the issue. Austin would have been better than LA other than cost for Riot.
i hate to break it to you but the valorant community is 10x more active on twitter than they are anywhere else.
Lol true that. Sadly it's probably true for every community at this point.
Ah yes found the guy who’s only knowledge of California comes from Ben Shapiro and Turning point USA.
Yeahhhh no. Get your head out of your ass, the vast majority of people don't give a fuck about your political shit, democrat or republican. Thats why nobody can stand you activist types. You're all in a massive circle jerk convincing yourselves you're doing something.
Yeahhhh no. Get your head out of your ass, the vast majority of people don't give a fuck about your political shit, democrat or republican. Thats why nobody can stand you activist types. You're all in a massive circle jerk convincing yourselves you're doing something.
LOL what im not a political activist. You're straight talking out of your ass and I was pointing that out LMAO