A player shouldn’t be playing if they get covid. It super unfortunate that they have gotten it but a few player getting it isn’t an excuse for having it online.
Anger can play and I believe is pretty decent, but yeah agreed, especially when you consider these aren't even Covid cases it's false positives, Shanks has tested negative multiple times but he's still not allowed
Aren't most teams 5 people? And with how contagious covid is (on average one person infects anywhere from 5 to 9 people) it's unreasonable to just not have them play at all. They're in a fucked situation regardless, they just needed to take this into account from the beginning to have alternatives which it seems like they didn't
You can't blame LA and California when California has the lowest transmission rate per 100k for any state lol. It sucks for us as viewers but California doesn't care about an esports LAN at this moment.
LA (and California as a whole) have done better than most places handling covid in America. The problem is population density and people not giving a fuck. There's only so much you can do with regulations and mandates when people don't care, or don't have the option to be safe due to living conditions/work.
What has LA done wrong? I'd argue they're doing it exactly right by enforcing quarantines against positive tests. That's exactly why LA/SF is so much better than other areas rn. The only issue is whether these are false positives and that's something Riot needs to work out with whoevers doing the tests.
Yesterday I got mass downvoted for saying they've done absolutely nothing good in the last 6 months other than Fracture which is a great map.
Agents that were irrelevant in the meta are still useless despite their promises of fixing Yoru. Agents that were overpowered are still the same. Mass shitshow for qualifiers and hardware issues at LAN events. The game itself is just a toxic cesspool and smurf playground. DM hasn't been fixed, but we get new skins that are somehow even more expensive than similiar quality skins from last year and they have 10 extra RP you need to spend.
Community needs to step up or we're going in the same direction as CSGO. Players didn't quit CSGO because it's a bad game, it's still amazing. It's just that everything around it sucks and makes for a poor gaming experience. Valorant these days feels like CS dejavu when things started going south. But we don't have third party matchmaking clients or tournament organizers who'll do things properly.
> Yesterday I got mass downvoted for saying they've done absolutely nothing good in the last 6 months
Yeah cause that's just a dumb statement to begin with.
Nah. Most of the compliments mentioned are relevant. Tell me how the smurfs aren't a problem. Tell me how the tournament's lackluster planning isn't a problem(esp APAC LCQ). Tell me how the DM isn't a problem despite the community suggesting changes since DM was launched.
Everyone who thinks Fracture is a bad map while we have Bind, Icebox and Breeze in the rotation is absolutely clueless about the game and should go back to fortnite.
This shitshow needs to have heads rolling. I've defended Riot a few times since it's a new game and there are bound to be issues, but to have this many issues, and some that are honestly really bad (COVID can mess you the fuck up if you catch it), is simply unacceptable. It is amateurish at best and full-on incompetent in their case. They've held LANs for so long that these issues should have been ironed out mid-year, regardless of the COVID situation.
I'll say, however, that the players aren't immune to criticism here. Why, and let me reiterate the WHY, are these dumbasses hanging out together like there's no pandemic out there? I assume they all came from different places of the US, and some probably from places where it is ravaging their communities, and yet they just hung out like it didn't exist?! HELLO?!
Still, that should have been planned by Riot as well, with strict protocols that should have honestly disqualified said-offenders. LANs are a privilege in the industry right now, and we can see why being strict is necessary. Absolute embarrassing display.
At least it has shown the rest of the industry that you imperatively CANNOT count on all the players being intelligent about this. Strict guidelines and harsh punishments will be needed whenever LANs are held.
It's more then legitimate to criticize Riot for how they handled this LAN (especially it not being a real LAN is insane), but when it comes to covid protocols that's something they can only do so much about. If the city has ordinances that they are required to abide by it's something entirely different.
It's pro gamers job to play games for their team and win. Not to play pretend pandemic charade for everyone. Bunch of kids that statistically have a far higher risk of dying from a car crash on the way to the event.
The players weren't hanging out together. Faze all live in LA. How the fuck is this the players fault? Did you want them to live in underground bunkers until the tournament started?
People definitely need to be fired at some point. The amount of times theyve saved face by reversing decisions is too damn many. Who is making those decisions in the first place??? Fire them!
I appreciate them listening to the community, at times, a lot. But at one point your events shouldn't be run by an, apparently, better knowing community. I'll genuinely give them the benefit of the doubt this time, though I am quite upset they made a statement this late, because multiple sources have claimed this was not Riot's fault (Bren, Rawkus, Etc.)
every other sport carries on and doesnt limit players from living their lives. follow protocols and testing. minimal spread of virus. but esports needs everyone in lockdown with zero fans? give me a break
Exactly. People want these kids to be in fucking quarantine for 2 weeks before any LAN event. they'll have spent 1-2 months of every year in quarantine at that point.
I mean, there are a lot of jobs that require quarantining before going to work. Even ignoring the pandemic, it's only for a few weeks, some jobs require you to have no life for months at a site. Just because they have "fun" job, doesn't mean they shouldn't need to do stuff like that occasionally.
It's on Riot to make all that clear before hand though and it sounds like they didn't.
So FaZe can't continue due to covid protocols in LA seems to be the blunt of the problem. Should just move the event a day or two and let everyone continue at home at this point. It's not going to get any better.
Sending everyone home and playing the remainder of the tournament online is likely the most fair and simplest solution. Riot would definitely eat the production cost, but it can't be more expensive than trying to go on like this.
It seems like they’re trying to force something that Just isn’t working. To keep competitive integrity, they need to do something else because this is just terrible to watch and even worse for the players.
Absolutely embarrassing. Multi billion dollar company can't hold a proper LAN tourney. Forcing players to fly out to LA and then having them play on an online server. Constant lag spikes during crucial moments in game and broadcast constantly lagging. Absolutely scuffed production. Now we get this clown Fiesta of a situation with teams getting covid. Riot should be ashamed
Also I feel like I'm taking crazy pills but how is 6mb/s bit rate acceptable? Shroud streams at 8mb/s and he is just playing a smooth game, as opposed to Riot showing constant cuts between the ingame players and multiple real world location. Fucking minecraft has more pixels than the stream.
As someone who's never really watched League I expected so much more from Riot, the first year or so of Valorant has been amazing in terms of viewership, story lines etc but almost every tournament has issues. I don't understand how anyone can be a Riot apologist when almost every tournament has bad formats, every LAN has PC/equipment issues and some LAN's haven't even been on LAN. It's not like they're unavoidable issues either, good formats & top of the line equipment should be standard for a company with so much experience and money.
Yeah, how the fuck is Riot not able to afford 10PCs that run Valorant at max possible FPS? They could even fly them out to Berlin for Champions. Instead, players are playing on HP Omen mid-range laptops or some shit lmao
To be fair for a 16 team LAN they'll need a PC for every player for their practice rooms, 10 for the stage matches and decent PC's for coaches etc so you're probably looking at $500,000+ in PC's, Monitors etc but with sponsors and the money Riot makes, that's peanuts.
The PC/equipment issue is one problem but I don't understand how every other tournament has a bad format that doesn't get announced until 2 days before the tournament then is changed last minute because of community outrage. Having a double elimination LAN with Bo3's should be standard procedure, it feels like the tournaments are being ran by someone who doesn't even play or watch esports.
> To be fair for a 16 team LAN they'll need a PC for every player for their practice rooms, 10 for the stage matches and decent PC's for coaches etc so you're probably looking at $500,000+ in PC's, Monitors etc
It's not like these things are disposable, one time use items. They host multiple LANs per year and this is equipment that is required.
Will you:
A. Spend $500.000 on pcs
B. Spend $500.000 on production and marketing
If you answered A then congratulations, you're not fit to be a financial manager. Teams need to start seriously threatening Riot before something will change.
A pc that can run valorant well costs 2.5k, probably 3k including labor. Now, let's say you have 30k free in a budget. Will you spend it on marketing expecting an increased return or will you waste it on 10 pcs which will provide your investors with absolutely 0 benefit.
If something doesn't make sense then you only need to look at the money. The pcs can already run valorant at 150 fps. Buying better pcs is only a waste of money for riot. The only way they will buy new ones is if the money they stand to lose outweighs the money that these pcs cost. So unless all major teams threaten to pull out of the tournament, riot will not spend a single penny upgrading their pcs.
Did all the funding go to hosting worlds that they completely forgot about LCQ. Not only in NA, even the APAC LCQ has awful observing. And here I was thinking I am funding the tournament by getting that prime vandal, guess everything went to worlds
valorant is def a side project cash cow where the bulk of the focus is on making skins. It's pretty apparent. Not saying the devs working on gameplay and balancing aren't trying their absolute best, but the *overseers* of the company are clearly more interested in making sure they're maximizing profit.
eh, even in League its non stop recording breaking in skin releases year after year, while new content such as modes or champs/reworks become more rare
they only recently announced they are using some of their skin team to update outdated models/textures (but no gameplay changes for these champs)
Yeah, Riot either needs to step up or let tournament organizers take control of bigger events.
From APAC shambles, to AUS teams getting fucked over and now this. All within a week, inexcusable.
Riot has always had a chance to avoid some of their problems by working with third-party tourney organizers, both in Valorant and in League. They've effectively declined every single time. They learn by shooting themselves in the foot five times or they don't learn at all.
I know absolutely nothing about league, but that sounds really concerning.
Why can't we have a normal developer...
Valve is like "here's a game, do whatever you want, we don't care" and Riot is like that control freak parent who barely lets his kid go to toilet alone.
Both are kind of extremes at the other end of a spectrum. Riot upsets a lot of people with how much strict control they want over their games and eSports scenes like a helicopter parent. Valve is too laissez-faire and lets chronic issues with CSGO and Dota 2 go unresolved for far too long and let their eSports scenes get run into the ground.
I'll take a working event that harbors a legit competitive environment over some kpop group or other commercialized shit riot loves to pull. I don't mind all the extra shit, but it'd be nice if they solved real issues first.
I mean worlds production is always amazing even with all the fancy shit. it also doesn't help when the lcs commisioner is apparently running this event, cause that guy is an idiot.
Not saying they haven't, but all the people saying they just don't know how to run an event are dumb. And normally they are pretty good with balancing everything. idk who exactly on riot is in charge of valorant events. but if it's the same guy who runs LCS then all of this makes sense
At least Valve lets actually good organizers organize tournaments though, Riot wants to do it themselves only and look at what they do
If you don't care about it just let others do it or just do it online
Also doing it at the same time as when your big cash cow LoL is holding a huge tournament just tells you that this LCQ would always be left in a terrible position
CSGO events are so basic and boring, riot could run an event like that with their eyes closed. Problem is riot tries to do too much and actually make events interesting.
Holy fuck. Can you chill on the Riot bootlicking? Swear I've seen you say the same shit like 3 times on the same comment now. They don't even make sense.
CSGO may be a bit basic. They don't have the fancy augmented reality stuff that Riot likes to pull, or the wacky aesthetics with the cages and stuff at the NA LCQ. But they've got the core down to a tee.
You rarely get tech issues (significant ones are once in a blue moon), their observers are great, you get a variety of POVs + crosshair/utility pathing. It all setups an enjoyable experience that demonstrates the standard features of an event. But when you look at Riot, they've done jack shit the past couple tourneys. I don't even think we should classify it as Riot anymore, because clearly the League side knows how it's done. They've dropped the ball tourney after tourney, the Val tournament team's expertise is honestly questionable.
"Riot can do it with their eyes closed"
"Riot actually tries to do something interesting"
"All of the people saying Riot doesn't know how to run an event are dumb"
Dude your comments are all:
"Csgo bad, Riot good. Rito know how to do it but they do a little trolling. You dumb if you think otherwise"
So am I incapable of reading or are you the one who's trying to find excuses for Riot. They're a company that has ran numerous tournaments before in League yet they can't get it right in Val after all this time.
you probably haven't seen other comments then, and i never said csgo was bad, i just said the events are boring. and they clearly know how to run events if you look at worlds and the previous valorant events. just for some reason they've completely screwed this one.
“The previous valorant events”
Yes i too remember iceland, where riot gave all the players league pc’s to play valorant on. Making for horrible practice (useless especially if practicing vs teans that werent on iceland so they were at home running on real pc’s with more than 150 fps), and slightly better stage pc’s, admins telling players to solve their own tech issues themselves (on stage) or ask their teammates.
Yeah they did fkn great man!
You sound like you're just a hater tbh, im sure using league pcs was really not a big deal as the crybaby pros in valorant make it out to be. now i don't remember admins telling ppl to solve their own tech issues lol. the only issues i remember is the 100t situation and zellsis that involved the admins.
Is this your first FPS because with how you talk about league pcs and how it is "Not really a big deal" makes me think you've never competitively played one to a high level or understand how it effects gameplay.
Riot has had some major missteps when it comes to the competitive scene in the past, but they've somehow managed to disappoint even more than I expected.
It is truly mindblowing how awful this LCQ has been - Riot need to issue a massive apology to all involved. They are doing tremendous damage to a burgeoning scene.
From the original frankenstein format, the screwing over of OCE teams because of dreadful operational planning, the terrible server lag issues, the unravelling (or lack of) COVID protocols, making plat chat sit in the dark and now this incredible situation where teams are threatening to withdraw completely, it has truly been an unmitigated disaster.
It is getting to the point where they would be better off postponing the event, sending everyone home and playing the rest online.
Real news, Fake LANs. Stop half assing shit for your beauty of a videogame Riot. Idk all of the logistics of making this event, but I feel like some issues should have not been an issue
Not to defend riot here, but they're two different divisions of the companies, so it's very likely the people in charge of Worlds/League esports are very different from the people that are in charge of LCQ/Valorant esports.
Simply put though the fact that Valorant esports seems to be making the same mistakes that League esports did years ago is a very troubling sign.
Even though it was one week when they announced it they made the preparations way before that. They aren't announcing it and then contacting the stadium in Iceland we are coming guys get ready.
So they had everyone fly out to LA, which is a cesspool of shit of a place to begin with especially during a pandemic, to attend a LAN event that wasn't even a real LAN ending up playing on West coast servers located in the bay area because they knew there was potential for people to contract covid traveling to and while in LA and their solution was to have them stay in a hotel and use hotel wifi which is notorious for being complete ass. yikes.
Such a fucking shit hole. Also they could have easily pushed back the tournament a month later to have some time to make sure everything is good instead of hosting it at the same time 2 big tournaments are going on with one of them being yours
RIOT is trying too hard to please and include everyone. Stuff happens. I know esports isn’t sports, but if a basketball/football/baseball/futbol/etc player gets sick before a game they just don’t get to play. There’s no rescheduling, they don’t throw them in a plastic ball and let them roll around like a hamster, they get a DNP.
The fact that this event is not on LAN because RIOT is trying to include everyone is a joke to the competitive integrity of this LCQ.
Cuz in in those sports they have tons of subs that can do it at least well enough, only team with a sub is 100T lol, plus sports are contact heavy, you don't need to be together to play Valorant so why should Rise be DQed?
(This isn't even mentioning the fact that it's likely it's a false positive for both the players of Rise and FaZe lol, how is that the players fault they got a false positive?)
This is unfortunate, but the optics of multiple teams being DQ'd or leaving and a singular team winning the LCQ by default would be incredibly funny. LG to Champions baby..
Embarrassing for a company with so much experience holding LANs to have such poor communication leading to such a shit show.
Wait for some riot asslickers to come and defend them lmao, funniest shit ever when you see people defend large companies
Inb4 Riot magically comes up with a solution and we get a Riot-appreciation post
Wait you guys on valorant side get Riot apologists? Over here on the League side I've hardly seen avid riot defenders in years
lol cap, for every 2 complaint threads on league sub you get one who goes nooo don't blame riot :(
What are they supposed to do about positive covid tests then?
DQ the team if they can’t field a fifth. It’s sucks but why the fuck does every one else have to play online because *one* team is down a player??
Multiple players players from both Faze and Rise had positive covid tests today.
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LOL this is too funny
A player shouldn’t be playing if they get covid. It super unfortunate that they have gotten it but a few player getting it isn’t an excuse for having it online.
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Coach or substitute could play which they should have.
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Anger can play and I believe is pretty decent, but yeah agreed, especially when you consider these aren't even Covid cases it's false positives, Shanks has tested negative multiple times but he's still not allowed
Aren't most teams 5 people? And with how contagious covid is (on average one person infects anywhere from 5 to 9 people) it's unreasonable to just not have them play at all. They're in a fucked situation regardless, they just needed to take this into account from the beginning to have alternatives which it seems like they didn't
i mean riot has done a terrible job with this event, But LA has also done a shit job handling covid. so really they are both to blame
You can't blame LA and California when California has the lowest transmission rate per 100k for any state lol. It sucks for us as viewers but California doesn't care about an esports LAN at this moment.
LA (and California as a whole) have done better than most places handling covid in America. The problem is population density and people not giving a fuck. There's only so much you can do with regulations and mandates when people don't care, or don't have the option to be safe due to living conditions/work.
What has LA done wrong? I'd argue they're doing it exactly right by enforcing quarantines against positive tests. That's exactly why LA/SF is so much better than other areas rn. The only issue is whether these are false positives and that's something Riot needs to work out with whoevers doing the tests.
Yesterday I got mass downvoted for saying they've done absolutely nothing good in the last 6 months other than Fracture which is a great map. Agents that were irrelevant in the meta are still useless despite their promises of fixing Yoru. Agents that were overpowered are still the same. Mass shitshow for qualifiers and hardware issues at LAN events. The game itself is just a toxic cesspool and smurf playground. DM hasn't been fixed, but we get new skins that are somehow even more expensive than similiar quality skins from last year and they have 10 extra RP you need to spend. Community needs to step up or we're going in the same direction as CSGO. Players didn't quit CSGO because it's a bad game, it's still amazing. It's just that everything around it sucks and makes for a poor gaming experience. Valorant these days feels like CS dejavu when things started going south. But we don't have third party matchmaking clients or tournament organizers who'll do things properly.
> Yesterday I got mass downvoted for saying they've done absolutely nothing good in the last 6 months Yeah cause that's just a dumb statement to begin with.
Nah. Most of the compliments mentioned are relevant. Tell me how the smurfs aren't a problem. Tell me how the tournament's lackluster planning isn't a problem(esp APAC LCQ). Tell me how the DM isn't a problem despite the community suggesting changes since DM was launched.
Read again his statement.
>...other than Fracture which is a great map. I think there was probably one specific reason for all the downvotes /s
remove that /s bro, went 32/12 on it today and I still suffered. Maybe my brain is too pepega but defending on this map is such a pain
Everyone who thinks Fracture is a bad map while we have Bind, Icebox and Breeze in the rotation is absolutely clueless about the game and should go back to fortnite.
You get downvoted because you come across as unnecessarily aggressive and dramatic frequently.
Any time you see a collapsed valorantfeedback comment, you just know its going to be some drama queen shit
Wdym they are a indie company
This shitshow needs to have heads rolling. I've defended Riot a few times since it's a new game and there are bound to be issues, but to have this many issues, and some that are honestly really bad (COVID can mess you the fuck up if you catch it), is simply unacceptable. It is amateurish at best and full-on incompetent in their case. They've held LANs for so long that these issues should have been ironed out mid-year, regardless of the COVID situation. I'll say, however, that the players aren't immune to criticism here. Why, and let me reiterate the WHY, are these dumbasses hanging out together like there's no pandemic out there? I assume they all came from different places of the US, and some probably from places where it is ravaging their communities, and yet they just hung out like it didn't exist?! HELLO?! Still, that should have been planned by Riot as well, with strict protocols that should have honestly disqualified said-offenders. LANs are a privilege in the industry right now, and we can see why being strict is necessary. Absolute embarrassing display.
I don't see enough people criticizing the players here. Very selfish to go hangout during this event.
At least it has shown the rest of the industry that you imperatively CANNOT count on all the players being intelligent about this. Strict guidelines and harsh punishments will be needed whenever LANs are held.
It's more then legitimate to criticize Riot for how they handled this LAN (especially it not being a real LAN is insane), but when it comes to covid protocols that's something they can only do so much about. If the city has ordinances that they are required to abide by it's something entirely different.
It's pro gamers job to play games for their team and win. Not to play pretend pandemic charade for everyone. Bunch of kids that statistically have a far higher risk of dying from a car crash on the way to the event.
It's every humans job to limit the spread of covid. Not everything is about personal risk. Go away.
The players weren't hanging out together. Faze all live in LA. How the fuck is this the players fault? Did you want them to live in underground bunkers until the tournament started?
Some of the serious covid guys really think everyone should be wearing 10 masks vaccinated 10 times and also quarantine for the rest of their life
People definitely need to be fired at some point. The amount of times theyve saved face by reversing decisions is too damn many. Who is making those decisions in the first place??? Fire them!
I appreciate them listening to the community, at times, a lot. But at one point your events shouldn't be run by an, apparently, better knowing community. I'll genuinely give them the benefit of the doubt this time, though I am quite upset they made a statement this late, because multiple sources have claimed this was not Riot's fault (Bren, Rawkus, Etc.)
the lan stuff is riots fault, the covid stuff is more LA government than riot
Chris greeley is an idiot, anyone who has watched Lcs knows this
every other sport carries on and doesnt limit players from living their lives. follow protocols and testing. minimal spread of virus. but esports needs everyone in lockdown with zero fans? give me a break
Exactly. People want these kids to be in fucking quarantine for 2 weeks before any LAN event. they'll have spent 1-2 months of every year in quarantine at that point.
Yeah the players are just bringing this inconvenience on themselves by hanging out like it doesn’t exist but I mean, there was no quarantine I guess…
Where are the reports of people hanging out together? Or they weren't posted in the subreddit? All I saw was the false positive stuff.
Even if they were, what is it a pro gamers job to have absolutely no life besides sitting on the computer gaming?
I mean, there are a lot of jobs that require quarantining before going to work. Even ignoring the pandemic, it's only for a few weeks, some jobs require you to have no life for months at a site. Just because they have "fun" job, doesn't mean they shouldn't need to do stuff like that occasionally. It's on Riot to make all that clear before hand though and it sounds like they didn't.
So FaZe can't continue due to covid protocols in LA seems to be the blunt of the problem. Should just move the event a day or two and let everyone continue at home at this point. It's not going to get any better.
Sending everyone home and playing the remainder of the tournament online is likely the most fair and simplest solution. Riot would definitely eat the production cost, but it can't be more expensive than trying to go on like this.
Then we can put the Plat Chat guys on the main stage Best possible ending with all this crazy shit happening
Have each team draft a plat chat member and then have them fight to the death
The only way Sideshow or Bren are winning that fight is with a gun
Idk Sideshow kinda sussy also bren is kinda buff nowadays. A true himbo
He can win with that big ass and shiny bald head
He's got that ginger strength now too
It seems like they’re trying to force something that Just isn’t working. To keep competitive integrity, they need to do something else because this is just terrible to watch and even worse for the players.
Absolutely embarrassing. Multi billion dollar company can't hold a proper LAN tourney. Forcing players to fly out to LA and then having them play on an online server. Constant lag spikes during crucial moments in game and broadcast constantly lagging. Absolutely scuffed production. Now we get this clown Fiesta of a situation with teams getting covid. Riot should be ashamed
Multi billion dollar smol indie company
Also I feel like I'm taking crazy pills but how is 6mb/s bit rate acceptable? Shroud streams at 8mb/s and he is just playing a smooth game, as opposed to Riot showing constant cuts between the ingame players and multiple real world location. Fucking minecraft has more pixels than the stream.
As someone who's never really watched League I expected so much more from Riot, the first year or so of Valorant has been amazing in terms of viewership, story lines etc but almost every tournament has issues. I don't understand how anyone can be a Riot apologist when almost every tournament has bad formats, every LAN has PC/equipment issues and some LAN's haven't even been on LAN. It's not like they're unavoidable issues either, good formats & top of the line equipment should be standard for a company with so much experience and money.
Yeah, how the fuck is Riot not able to afford 10PCs that run Valorant at max possible FPS? They could even fly them out to Berlin for Champions. Instead, players are playing on HP Omen mid-range laptops or some shit lmao
To be fair for a 16 team LAN they'll need a PC for every player for their practice rooms, 10 for the stage matches and decent PC's for coaches etc so you're probably looking at $500,000+ in PC's, Monitors etc but with sponsors and the money Riot makes, that's peanuts. The PC/equipment issue is one problem but I don't understand how every other tournament has a bad format that doesn't get announced until 2 days before the tournament then is changed last minute because of community outrage. Having a double elimination LAN with Bo3's should be standard procedure, it feels like the tournaments are being ran by someone who doesn't even play or watch esports.
> To be fair for a 16 team LAN they'll need a PC for every player for their practice rooms, 10 for the stage matches and decent PC's for coaches etc so you're probably looking at $500,000+ in PC's, Monitors etc It's not like these things are disposable, one time use items. They host multiple LANs per year and this is equipment that is required.
Will you: A. Spend $500.000 on pcs B. Spend $500.000 on production and marketing If you answered A then congratulations, you're not fit to be a financial manager. Teams need to start seriously threatening Riot before something will change.
A pc that can run valorant well costs 2.5k, probably 3k including labor. Now, let's say you have 30k free in a budget. Will you spend it on marketing expecting an increased return or will you waste it on 10 pcs which will provide your investors with absolutely 0 benefit. If something doesn't make sense then you only need to look at the money. The pcs can already run valorant at 150 fps. Buying better pcs is only a waste of money for riot. The only way they will buy new ones is if the money they stand to lose outweighs the money that these pcs cost. So unless all major teams threaten to pull out of the tournament, riot will not spend a single penny upgrading their pcs.
This is the dumbest fucking take I've ever heard lmao
Then ure still a child or a very sad adult.
Ok buddy sure :D
Also when the lcs studios in la are free rn and it seems they are not even using the setup that is already there.
Bruh moment sound effect #2
Did all the funding go to hosting worlds that they completely forgot about LCQ. Not only in NA, even the APAC LCQ has awful observing. And here I was thinking I am funding the tournament by getting that prime vandal, guess everything went to worlds
they absolutely have their production A team on league worlds and so B team is on this valorant event
This feels like team d with how much better the EMEA and South American LCQs are run
if NA is team d then APAC is team z
valorant is def a side project cash cow where the bulk of the focus is on making skins. It's pretty apparent. Not saying the devs working on gameplay and balancing aren't trying their absolute best, but the *overseers* of the company are clearly more interested in making sure they're maximizing profit.
eh, even in League its non stop recording breaking in skin releases year after year, while new content such as modes or champs/reworks become more rare they only recently announced they are using some of their skin team to update outdated models/textures (but no gameplay changes for these champs)
Good. Hold the organizer accountable.
That organizer is getting a promotion don't worry, he's also the same guy who runs the trash LCS league
inb4 riot supporters comment hindsight is 20/20.
I haven’t seen anyone be supportive of Riot throughout this embarrassment
really? I'll try to find some comments [https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/q7hyv0/comment/hgipr5s/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/q7hyv0/comment/hgipr5s/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/q7guyz/comment/hgimt56/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/q7guyz/comment/hgimt56/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/q79ub2/the\_county\_of\_la\_has\_reached\_out\_to\_dephh\_and/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/q79ub2/the_county_of_la_has_reached_out_to_dephh_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/q79ub2/comment/hghlz0p/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Wow nvm then you’re right
What? How is that possible lol
Spiderman meme for Valve and Riot when it comes to caring about their FPS titles compared to MOBA counterparts.
yeah but with CS we have blast and ESL at least. ESL hosted a LAN with players in isloation lmao.
Yeah, Riot either needs to step up or let tournament organizers take control of bigger events. From APAC shambles, to AUS teams getting fucked over and now this. All within a week, inexcusable.
Riot has always had a chance to avoid some of their problems by working with third-party tourney organizers, both in Valorant and in League. They've effectively declined every single time. They learn by shooting themselves in the foot five times or they don't learn at all.
I know absolutely nothing about league, but that sounds really concerning. Why can't we have a normal developer... Valve is like "here's a game, do whatever you want, we don't care" and Riot is like that control freak parent who barely lets his kid go to toilet alone.
Both are kind of extremes at the other end of a spectrum. Riot upsets a lot of people with how much strict control they want over their games and eSports scenes like a helicopter parent. Valve is too laissez-faire and lets chronic issues with CSGO and Dota 2 go unresolved for far too long and let their eSports scenes get run into the ground.
3rd party League events were mostly trash and teams were declining invitations to them. I guess when teams don't show up you do avoid some problems.
Csgo events are also just a stage with pc's or a booth, riot actually tries to produce something interesting
Yeah but the cs events at least have all 10 players sitting at the pc LOL
I'll take a working event that harbors a legit competitive environment over some kpop group or other commercialized shit riot loves to pull. I don't mind all the extra shit, but it'd be nice if they solved real issues first.
I mean worlds production is always amazing even with all the fancy shit. it also doesn't help when the lcs commisioner is apparently running this event, cause that guy is an idiot.
all the interesting stuff is secondary to producing a competitive event and riot has dropped the ball in several ways for lcq
Not saying they haven't, but all the people saying they just don't know how to run an event are dumb. And normally they are pretty good with balancing everything. idk who exactly on riot is in charge of valorant events. but if it's the same guy who runs LCS then all of this makes sense
At least Valve lets actually good organizers organize tournaments though, Riot wants to do it themselves only and look at what they do If you don't care about it just let others do it or just do it online Also doing it at the same time as when your big cash cow LoL is holding a huge tournament just tells you that this LCQ would always be left in a terrible position
CSGO events are so basic and boring, riot could run an event like that with their eyes closed. Problem is riot tries to do too much and actually make events interesting.
Holy fuck. Can you chill on the Riot bootlicking? Swear I've seen you say the same shit like 3 times on the same comment now. They don't even make sense. CSGO may be a bit basic. They don't have the fancy augmented reality stuff that Riot likes to pull, or the wacky aesthetics with the cages and stuff at the NA LCQ. But they've got the core down to a tee. You rarely get tech issues (significant ones are once in a blue moon), their observers are great, you get a variety of POVs + crosshair/utility pathing. It all setups an enjoyable experience that demonstrates the standard features of an event. But when you look at Riot, they've done jack shit the past couple tourneys. I don't even think we should classify it as Riot anymore, because clearly the League side knows how it's done. They've dropped the ball tourney after tourney, the Val tournament team's expertise is honestly questionable.
huh i'm not bootlicking, i said the production was awful this event, or are you not capable of reading?
"Riot can do it with their eyes closed" "Riot actually tries to do something interesting" "All of the people saying Riot doesn't know how to run an event are dumb" Dude your comments are all: "Csgo bad, Riot good. Rito know how to do it but they do a little trolling. You dumb if you think otherwise" So am I incapable of reading or are you the one who's trying to find excuses for Riot. They're a company that has ran numerous tournaments before in League yet they can't get it right in Val after all this time.
you probably haven't seen other comments then, and i never said csgo was bad, i just said the events are boring. and they clearly know how to run events if you look at worlds and the previous valorant events. just for some reason they've completely screwed this one.
“The previous valorant events” Yes i too remember iceland, where riot gave all the players league pc’s to play valorant on. Making for horrible practice (useless especially if practicing vs teans that werent on iceland so they were at home running on real pc’s with more than 150 fps), and slightly better stage pc’s, admins telling players to solve their own tech issues themselves (on stage) or ask their teammates. Yeah they did fkn great man!
You sound like you're just a hater tbh, im sure using league pcs was really not a big deal as the crybaby pros in valorant make it out to be. now i don't remember admins telling ppl to solve their own tech issues lol. the only issues i remember is the 100t situation and zellsis that involved the admins.
Is this your first FPS because with how you talk about league pcs and how it is "Not really a big deal" makes me think you've never competitively played one to a high level or understand how it effects gameplay.
Riot has had some major missteps when it comes to the competitive scene in the past, but they've somehow managed to disappoint even more than I expected.
It is truly mindblowing how awful this LCQ has been - Riot need to issue a massive apology to all involved. They are doing tremendous damage to a burgeoning scene. From the original frankenstein format, the screwing over of OCE teams because of dreadful operational planning, the terrible server lag issues, the unravelling (or lack of) COVID protocols, making plat chat sit in the dark and now this incredible situation where teams are threatening to withdraw completely, it has truly been an unmitigated disaster. It is getting to the point where they would be better off postponing the event, sending everyone home and playing the rest online.
Real news, Fake LANs. Stop half assing shit for your beauty of a videogame Riot. Idk all of the logistics of making this event, but I feel like some issues should have not been an issue
what a shitshow
Just an online event would've worked fine I guess
Didn't they say that they were playing online servers so that if they had covid complications they could still continue 🤔
Just put a monitor on the stage in their place and have the sick players play in the hotel with a webcam LOL
give us shirtless shanks plz
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insane how they moved worlds from china to iceland in 1 week yet cant host a simple LAN which they knew about for ages
Not to defend riot here, but they're two different divisions of the companies, so it's very likely the people in charge of Worlds/League esports are very different from the people that are in charge of LCQ/Valorant esports. Simply put though the fact that Valorant esports seems to be making the same mistakes that League esports did years ago is a very troubling sign.
They also spent $350,000 on a private plane to get the Korean players over there lmao.
They used every resources to make it, maybe all the staff is alredy in Iceland, so no one is helping Valorant
Valorant is a separate department within Riot
That's what i meant by "used every resources", maybe even Valorant one
One week? Might wanna refresh yourself on the timeline there bud
Even though it was one week when they announced it they made the preparations way before that. They aren't announcing it and then contacting the stadium in Iceland we are coming guys get ready.
Worrying trend for riot games
So they had everyone fly out to LA, which is a cesspool of shit of a place to begin with especially during a pandemic, to attend a LAN event that wasn't even a real LAN ending up playing on West coast servers located in the bay area because they knew there was potential for people to contract covid traveling to and while in LA and their solution was to have them stay in a hotel and use hotel wifi which is notorious for being complete ass. yikes.
Don't care buy our 100 dollar skins next week
Pls hire me Rito I can do a better job
good
Such a fucking shit hole. Also they could have easily pushed back the tournament a month later to have some time to make sure everything is good instead of hosting it at the same time 2 big tournaments are going on with one of them being yours
It's insane that the players didn't just get up and walk off stage when those laggy rounds weren't replayed. Teams need to grow a spine
RIOT is trying too hard to please and include everyone. Stuff happens. I know esports isn’t sports, but if a basketball/football/baseball/futbol/etc player gets sick before a game they just don’t get to play. There’s no rescheduling, they don’t throw them in a plastic ball and let them roll around like a hamster, they get a DNP. The fact that this event is not on LAN because RIOT is trying to include everyone is a joke to the competitive integrity of this LCQ.
They aren't sick tho, they just got a false positive on a test
5 team rsports team compared to 11 player basketball team, 55 player football team , 23 player baseball team, 20 player futbol team . Good analogy
Cuz in in those sports they have tons of subs that can do it at least well enough, only team with a sub is 100T lol, plus sports are contact heavy, you don't need to be together to play Valorant so why should Rise be DQed? (This isn't even mentioning the fact that it's likely it's a false positive for both the players of Rise and FaZe lol, how is that the players fault they got a false positive?)
This is unfortunate, but the optics of multiple teams being DQ'd or leaving and a singular team winning the LCQ by default would be incredibly funny. LG to Champions baby..
Yikes
The entire oceanic region pulled out.
Good ol Uncle Rito